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Ok, well I'm getting a new HTC Thunderbolt today (Android) and am selling my old HTC DROID Incredible to a friend who's coincidentally just dropped his old Eris into a pool! Anyway, my question is this: I've rooted my D.Inc. and have Cyanogenmod 7.2 on it. Would I/he need to unroot and go back to the stock ROM to use the phone on his own contract? Thanks, let me know.
I don't believe so.
But where did you get CM7.2? There isn't even a 7.1 yet lol.
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Thank you.
And you're right. I was messing the decimals up. I meant 7.0.2.1. It's on ROM Manager. lol, sorry for the confusion.
So I'll likely need to un-root?
I don't think you'll need to unroot, although I'm not 100% sure. I hope someone else can chime in with a more certain answer.
And its alright lol I was just like "wait a minute, beta? " lol
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Yeah, I'm getting the same semi-certain answers that it'll be fine from the guys on the cyanogenmod forum. I think I'll just take the leap of faith...I don't see why it would be a problem.
I know at one point there was a place on the VZW website to change your phone and you just manually typed in the ESN of the new phone and voila new phone activated.
But, I never did try that w/a rooted phone
chimpsnest said:
I know at one point there was a place on the VZW website to change your phone and you just manually typed in the ESN of the new phone and voila new phone activated.
But, I never did try that w/a rooted phone
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You don't happen to have a link for that, do you? I think my wife is gonna switch to my OG Droid, now that I have the T-Bolt, but I don't want to have to go back to stock from CM7 to take it back to the VZW store.
You should be able to call in to verizon and change it as well.
Long as you don't have an actual rep look at the phone, shouldn't be an issue.
Just dial *228 from it choose option 1 .. no laws against root just voids warranty and if you use wireless tether you breach terms
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No you do not need to unroot. Just be careful if you bring it in to Verizon while rooted. I did, but I had my buddy switch my old phone to another family member and activate the new one so I really didn't care.
dirtyfingers said:
No you do not need to unroot. Just be careful if you bring it in to Verizon while rooted. I did, but I had my buddy switch my old phone to another family member and activate the new one so I really didn't care.
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This is correct, when I got my TB I gave my wife my rooted OG Droid running CM7 and it activated for her just fine. I've also showed off my OG Droid to the reps at my VZW store all the time. Most of them were rocking rooted phones anyway, they just don't like it when you bring it in and try to lie about it being rooted when something goes wrong.
There's a link when he logs in to verizonwireless.com to activate new device. Just type in the ESN and choose a plan. I sold my fascinate running one of adrynalyne's roms and activated fit or my buddy from my thunderbolt that way. No problems at all.
Yeah, it seems to be that everyone agrees it'll work. I've committed to do it. When it's done and if it works I'll post it here for possible info purposes.
I activate them all the time. In most cases you can just dial *228 option 3 and follow the prompts to activate any Verizon phone anywhere. I work for a Verizon retailer.
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I agree with most everyone but using the website never seems to work. And if the Verizon framework has been removed, good luck getting them to update it.
My suggestion would be to download a normalish Rom/stock and switch it over with him. It's got to be the fastest way. Good luck!
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There will be no issues activating the phone, you do not have to unroot. Verizon cannot stop you from rooting, you just technically lose your warranty!
fillyo said:
There will be no issues activating the phone, you do not have to unroot. Verizon cannot stop you from rooting, you just technically lose your warranty!
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lies, their contract says that they can end your contract for using tampered with phones.
So no they can't stop you, but they can end your contract and force you to pay the cancellation fee, refuse to activate the phone, etc if you walk in and happen to talk to the wrong person.
doesn't mean they will, but they can.
I have warrantied, returned, and/or exchanged 5 phones, never did anyone ever turn one on to check
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Rldowney said:
I have warrantied, returned, and/or exchanged 5 phones, never did anyone ever turn one on to check
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Depends on where you bought the phone. If you bought it from an AT&T store, they are getting more and more knowledgeable. They always check the phone now, and about half of the reps will know if the device is stock or not.
And they WILL notate the account voiding your warranty permanently.
Sorry.
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Rooting your android phone doesn't void your warranty. Now, if you bring me a bricked phone, I may look into it more deeply, but afaik rooting doesn't harm any return possibility. Jailbreaking an iphone is a different story because apple handles the warranty, so we have no say what you can or can't do.
you never know who checks the phone, and its not that big a deal to return it to stock. rooting is actually against atts warranty policy. not sure how samsung would feel. my brothers x10 was actually checked for this by a guy who knew what he was doing. and trust me, you never want to get a letter from att saying you owe em $445 -> http://i.imgur.com/6NVDO.jpg (this was about something different and att ended up regretting sending this to us and ended up owing us as there was no water damage, but still...)
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I have warrantied, returned, and/or exchanged 5 phones, never did anyone ever turn one on to check
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Here in SF bay area att they know. And once they caught you, they might void your warranty and will be on record, so don't suggest this just it be safe. But life is full of risk if you want.
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I also agree u never know who is checking these type of things in my occasion I was actually lucky the guy that exchanged my phone knew it was bricked and still exchanged it for me.
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I hadn't bricked. Just A question. If I brick my phone with gb and I don't have the insurance, they won't replace it right?
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Depends on how you bricked it. Technically software updates still would allow warranty repair (as far as I'm aware). But there are rooters who start rooting without really knowing what they are doing and brick their phones. Obviously when they go in asking for a new phone Verizon has no proof to what happened and usually honors that warranty. I could never do this in my right mind. But if I bricked my device through an update that wasn't my fault (say the recent Thunderbolt GB bricks), I'd collect warranty. There is no way for them to prove that you were rooting so they usually honor it.
My guess is no, but its worth a shot.
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Depends on how you bricked it. Technically software updates still would allow warranty repair (as far as I'm aware). But there are rooters who start rooting without really knowing what they are doing and brick their phones. Obviously when they go in asking for a new phone Verizon has no proof to what happened and usually honors that warranty. I could never do this in my right mind. But if I bricked my device through an update that wasn't my fault (say the recent Thunderbolt GB bricks), I'd collect warranty. There is no way for them to prove that you were rooting so they usually honor it.
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If you flash something leaked/unauthorized its not covered. If an official ota (once it's pushed) bricks you, then it's covered. Keep in mind if you trick somebody @ Verizon and get them to replace it, they may not know the truth but HTC will once its sent to them. These things hurt the root community in the long run.
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They will cover it. I've sent back phones still rooted rom'd evrrythig. They don't care!
They do not take the time to check what your running they just wipe the phone right away. Myself and several others have sent back phones without spending the time to put back the stock rom. Just go for it!!!!
I would just get insurance if your rooted. It seems there is no rhyme or reason when or if the phone will brick.
If you run into a particularly stubborn rep who keeps pressuring you for answers, or specifically asking if you have installed anything on it, just keep shrugging your shoulders as if you have no clue. Be natural about it, and just say it started doing this on its own out of the blue. Because they obviously cant tell if you did anything they'll have no choice but to give you another.
I dont think HTC will mind getting back a bricked phone from rooting, because they know 90% of the reason you bought the HTC in the first place was because it has a strong rooting community. They'd rather keep people interested in their phones than the occasional brick they have to replace, which they will just use for parts or whatever anyway.
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If you flash something leaked/unauthorized its not covered. If an official ota (once it's pushed) bricks you, then it's covered. Keep in mind if you trick somebody @ Verizon and get them to replace it, they may not know the truth but HTC will once its sent to them. These things hurt the root community in the long run.
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This is the right answer. If you bricked it via your own doing (read hacking and screw something up or it bricks from an experimental radio that was leaked) and return it as defective, that's kinda like opening up a can of Coke at the grocery store, drinking it, and then sitting it on a shelf and not buying it. Nobody will probably see you and you probably won't get caught. But it's wrong.
If an OTA from Verizon bricked it, then return it.
But before you resort to either of the above answers, talk to some people here (or in IRC) first. You can probably fix it and probably won't need to return it.
My Droid X was covered when the Gingerbread OTA bricked it, but I couldn't have had it covered if I rooted it and was installing a custom ROM.
You will not able get replacement without insurance and you will end up pay full amount cost of TB for the replacement. sucks
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You will not able get replacement without insurance and you will end up pay full amount cost of TB for the replacement. sucks
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Haha. I'm laughing. Not true.
thx guys
They probably wouldn't know.
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Haha. I'm laughing. Not true.
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They have a new policy now, if you send back a phone that would not have been covered under warranty, the tech at the warehouse will take pictures and email them to you as proof.
They will then proceed to charge you up to $300 on your bill. Non-negotiable, non-refundable.
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mcmillanje said:
They have a new policy now, if you send back a phone that would not have been covered under warranty, the tech at the warehouse will take pictures and email them to you as proof.
They will then proceed to charge you up to $300 on your bill. Non-negotiable, non-refundable.
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I sent a phone in due to random reboots. Show me how they would know the difference if unrooted. /sarcasm
People just unroot your phone before taking it anywhere or sending it anywhere.
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mcmillanje said:
They have a new policy now, if you send back a phone that would not have been covered under warranty, the tech at the warehouse will take pictures and email them to you as proof.
They will then proceed to charge you up to $300 on your bill. Non-negotiable, non-refundable.
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And now I'm laughing even harder! My chest hurts. I think yo guys gave me a heartattack.
Jaxidian said:
This is the right answer. If you bricked it via your own doing (read hacking and screw something up or it bricks from an experimental radio that was leaked) and return it as defective, that's kinda like opening up a can of Coke at the grocery store, drinking it, and then sitting it on a shelf and not buying it. Nobody will probably see you and you probably won't get caught. But it's wrong.
If an OTA from Verizon bricked it, then return it.
But before you resort to either of the above answers, talk to some people here (or in IRC) first. You can probably fix it and probably won't need to return it.
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I couldn't agree with you more. Too many people abusing the root process. You chose to root your phone. You knew what the consequences could be. But YOU decide to return it for warranty when you screwed it up? *sigh*
This is why manufacturers have to modify their return policies to something rediculous.
Good luck.
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Haha. I'm laughing. Not true.
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Alright so before you get to caught up in the title, let me explain myself. I have been doing some research on which phones that at&t and sammy would upgrade to ICS, the infuse was not one of them. The Galaxy S II Skyrocket however was one. I promptly looked up the cities that have at&t LTE, I was pleasantly surprised when I saw my city there. I remembered back to when I owned the awful Motorola Backflip. I hated it so much I used the warranty department at at&t to switch the Backflip out three times before being sent an HTC Aria the fourth time. I decided to try this with the infuse and this time the phone they were willing to supply me with was the Galaxy S II Skyrocket. I thought that sharing this may help some of you who want a phone that will definitely receive ICS. If your Infuse is still under warranty, call up at&t give them crap till they send you an infuse (repeat 3 times) and enjoy your skyrocket the 4th time!
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Alright so before you get to caught up in the title, let me explain myself. I have been doing some research on which phones that at&t and sammy would upgrade to ICS, the infuse was not one of them. The Galaxy S II Skyrocket however was one. I promptly looked up the cities that have at&t LTE, I was pleasantly surprised when I saw my city there. I remembered back to when I owned the awful Motorola Backflip. I hated it so much I used the warranty department at at&t to switch the Backflip out three times before being sent an HTC Aria the fourth time. I decided to try this with the infuse and this time the phone they were willing to supply me with was the Galaxy S II Skyrocket. I thought that sharing this may help some of you who want a phone that will definitely receive ICS. If your Infuse is still under warranty, call up at&t give them crap till they send you an infuse (repeat 3 times) and enjoy your skyrocket the 4th time!
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Haha nice. I've been thinking about doing this but as I am not the main account holder, it probably will not work.
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On a side note....there is no reason why this phone should not be upgraded to ICS. My has it...so she probably won't care, but I will!
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I only had to do this one time. I bought a captivate for $1 back in aug 2011. I got bored with it. In Oct I decided to call att and tell them i had all kinds of problems with the captivate and that i did not want another one and asked them what they could do for me besides me cancel my service. She offered me an Atrix or a infuse. I got the infuse and didn't pay anything for it. I just sent my captivate back in once i received my infuse. You don't have to do multiple warranty exchanges, you have to be a good talker.
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ive been having some connection troubles big time the past few days .. data just dropping for no reason and have to go in to airplane mode to reconnect
theROMinator said:
Haha nice. I've been thinking about doing this but as I am not the main account holder, it probably will not work.
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You don't have to be the main account holder.
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ive been having some connection troubles big time the past few days .. data just dropping for no reason and have to go in to airplane mode to reconnect
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Volume button is sticking too, isn't it.
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CheesyNutz said:
ive been having some connection troubles big time the past few days .. data just dropping for no reason and have to go in to airplane mode to reconnect
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Well Odin already! Stop clogging the forums!
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Normally, I would frown upon this but with as much as I absolutely HATE AT&T...Have Fun!
I wish i could do this, but I'm not the main account holder and they as for the MAH last 4 digits of their SSN when talking to them.
Under warranty is the 90 day thing right?
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Under warranty is the 90 day thing right?
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The phone is under a 1 year warranty no matter what.
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The warranty department figures it's easier to deal with lying by just giving in sometimes.
Pretty slick lol
So I called them and told them I was having touchscreen issues which is True I have been. They sent me over to At&t warranty to verify my issue, told them I've done a master reset, I've done recovery and everything, They then stated I was in warranty for a replacement so here comes another infuse. lol
Edit: You DO NOT need the account holders last SSC numbers to get a replacement. Tell them you have a question and they'll say sure I can help you with that, tell them your problem and they'll have to deal with helping you. I advice before you do this, you put stock firmware back on your phone, factory reset it before sending it back as well, Don't bother if your phone has physical damage or water damage as there Warranty exchange seems to be very serious and they will charge you $399 which is the total cost of the phone.
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So I called them and told them I was having touchscreen issues which is True I have been. They sent me over to At&t warranty to verify my issue, told them I've done a master reset, I've done recovery and everything, They then stated I was in warranty for a replacement so here comes another infuse. lol
Edit: You DO NOT need the account holders last SSC numbers to get a replacement. Tell them you have a question and they'll say sure I can help you with that, tell them your problem and they'll have to deal with helping you. I advice before you do this, you put stock firmware back on your phone, factory reset it before sending it back as well, Don't bother if your phone has physical damage or water damage as there Warranty exchange seems to be very serious and they will charge you $399 which is the total cost of the phone.
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They must have changed the whole SSC number deal then, because the last time I filed a warranty claim, mind you this was 4 years ago, they were very persistent about getting that number before they would help me with anything.
*Edit* Is it a refurbished? or new?
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They must have changed the whole SSC number deal then, because the last time I filed a warranty claim, mind you this was 4 years ago, they were very persistent about getting that number before they would help me with anything.
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Reconditioned, assuming it's refurbished.
He just got lucky. Every time i call i have to give the ssn, name on the account, ect.
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He just got lucky. Every time i call i have to give the ssn, name on the account, ect.
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They have asked me before I even asked the question, I just told them I don't know the last digits of the SSC but I just have a question and told them the problem I was having and they took care of it.
Edit: To save them time and yourself time, Tell them you have tried a factory reset and tried the recovery option built into the phone to try and fix your issue, They'll take you right to At&t Warranty Dept to see your options on getting another phone.
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They have asked me before I even asked the question, I just told them I don't know the last digits of the SSC but I just have a question and told them the problem I was having and they took care of it.
Edit: To save them time and yourself time, Tell them you have tried a factory reset and tried the recovery option built into the phone to try and fix your issue, They'll take you right to At&t Warranty Dept to see your options on getting another phone.
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OK, sounds good.
I'm seriously considering trying to get a different phone. I love the infuse, but the support base for roms seems to be dropping off quickly.
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OK, sounds good.
I'm seriously considering trying to get a different phone. I love the infuse, but the support base for roms seems to be dropping off quickly.
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Once we get an official expect to see better roms, Only a couple weeks till we see it.
Edit: I've been thru this process many times with T-Mobile and getting another phone, Refurbished phones are nothing compared to what you got now thats been used for months, Refurbished phones are phones used 30 days or less from purchase and when there brought back they cannot be sold as "New" anymore. Every refurbished phone I've ever gotten was in the upmost perfect condition.
Hey all,
I've been a long time lurker on these forums and I've noticed quite a few people upgrading to the Sensation. From what I can tell, there's a way to get a FREE Sensation by sending your mt4g to T-Mobile for repairs since HTC no longer makes the mt4g. Is this correct? I asked a T-mo customer service rep and she said it isn't true. Of course, she could have been told to tell customers that so we don't all suddenly break our phones and have a new more expensive phone given to us.
If this is true, how can I return a phone after I've rooted it? I've seen various guides on how to return to stock and put s-on back. Would this be enough to get passed the voided warranty issue of a rooted phone?
What if my mt4g is actually in 100% working condition? Is there a safe way to damage it just enough to warrant a replacement?
Thanks, all! Sorry if this was posted in the wrong area.
Becareful because sometimes they send you the Mytouch.. LG version
Yeah, I read about that too. I would tell them up front that I will not accept a downgrade but require a phone of equal or greater value. I'm used to crappy service from these big companies and have found that if you make a big deal out of something, they'll do anything they can to shut you up.
only a few lucky people have gotten the Sensation as a replacement... :/
it kinda depends on whether you get a good rep or not... if you get a bad one.. well good luck with that... lol
as far as bricking... i guess you could always flash a Radio or some system file not made for this device... but be careful with that
Thanks for the reply, S, but I never mentioned bricking in my post lol.
So it looks like the only two devices that are given as replacements are the Sensation and the LG mt4g, right?
Now to my final question; how do you purposely cause your phone to malfunction so T-mo will have to replace it while not voiding your warranty? My guess is to press one of the hardware keys hard enough so it gets stuck. Probably the track pad since I've read reports of people getting theirs stuck. Worst case scenario here is that your phone has no track pad, but who uses that on their mt4g anyway?
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Thanks for the reply, S, but I never mentioned bricking in my post lol.
So it looks like the only two devices that are given as replacements are the Sensation and the LG mt4g, right?
Now to my final question; how do you purposely cause your phone to malfunction so T-mo will have to replace it while not voiding your warranty? My guess is to press one of the hardware keys hard enough so it gets stuck. Probably the track pad since I've read reports of people getting theirs stuck. Worst case scenario here is that your phone has no track pad, but who uses that on their mt4g anyway?
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Uuuh, that's what saranhai was referring to. Reread his post.
be careful, I think in your situation it would be best to report it lost. Personally, my wife lost her phone and they were going to send us an LG phone, but I said no way. It is the MT4G or a better phone. I also told them that my contract is up in a few months and will leave if i get an LG. They said they will call me back today.
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Uuuh, that's what saranhai was referring to. Reread his post.
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He suggested I brick my phone which would imply I rooted my phone which would in turn void my warranty.
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be careful, I think in your situation it would be best to report it lost. Personally, my wife lost her phone and they were going to send us an LG phone, but I said no way. It is the MT4G or a better phone. I also told them that my contract is up in a few months and will leave if i get an LG. They said they will call me back today.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you get charged a little over $100 if you report your phone as lost or stolen?
Novarox said:
He suggested I brick my phone which would imply I rooted my phone which would in turn void my warranty.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you get charged a little over $100 if you report your phone as lost or stolen?
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Yes $130. Oh, if it is a malfunction you do not pay right?
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He suggested I brick my phone which would imply I rooted my phone which would in turn void my warranty.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you get charged a little over $100 if you report your phone as lost or stolen?
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Flashing a PD15IMG.zip from another device doesn't require root access...
Plus I turned in a dead phone that was rooted. They never found out or if they did... they didn't care.
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Lol. Assuming always gets me too.
Hypothetically, you could TRY getting, say, a radio from a different HTC device and renaming it PD15IMG.zip and placing it on the root of your sd card. Boot into bootloader and it will check for the file and ask if you want to flash it. Flashing the wrong radio will totally screw your phone over. No root needed. However, I can't condone insurance fraud. That's highly illegal
Id imagine they'd send you an HTC mytouch 4g seeing as it is still sold on there website so no use In destroying your phone unless you have a bad emmc/screen
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Unless they're in a good mood or something they'll send a sidekick 4G (A pink one at that) and I've gone as far as demanding to speak to a supervisor to no avail and then I see 3-4 guys getting sensations, ugh. Hahah but yes flashing a radio doesn't require root neither does pulling the battery a few times while doing that.
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This entire thread is an awful idea.
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This entire thread is an awful idea.
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You are correct, and this is the reason phones and plans cost so much! I'd the phone is fine then why duck it up and become a criminal because you want a new phone! I wish I knew your name and number so I could call and report you!
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I agree with you man.
Honestly, i don't understand why you want a new phone in the first place, the MT4G is a great phone and probably performs as well as the sensation anyway...
And Nic, you're right, they offered my a sidekick 4g and then they got upset that i didn't want a downgrade lol....
I have the bad emmc but good screen (which makes it all better)
I would like to see a "good " screen, because I've owned 4 "bad" ones, & they have all been brilliant. In fact, I can't see it getting any better...
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You are correct, and this is the reason phones and plans cost so much! I'd the phone is fine then why duck it up and become a criminal because you want a new phone! I wish I knew your name and number so I could call and report you!
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Am i?
I've never done this, and I had the same view as you expressed here. But after reading of so many people thinking of doing this, and no one expressly trying to stop this, I figured why not join the bandwagon.
If you can't beat em, join em, especially if there's no opposition. Anyway, relax. This was mostly theoretical and I've decided to wait on the HTC One for my upgrade. Or maybe even something even better that may or may not spring up by then.
I doubt they'll send you a sensation...
A couple of months ago I got a replacement phone sent because the proximity sensor on my old mt4g would cause the screen to go black during a call and I would not be able to get it to turn back on unless I turned the phone off. So I sent off my old phone and got a replacement mt4g.
I'm pretty sure they still have them in their warehouses.
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Am i?
I've never done this, and I had the same view as you expressed here. But after reading of so many people thinking of doing this, and no one expressly trying to stop this, I figured why not join the bandwagon.
If you can't beat em, join em, especially if there's no opposition. Anyway, relax. This was mostly theoretical and I've decided to wait on the HTC One for my upgrade. Or maybe even something even better that may or may not spring up by then.
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So because I live in an area where there are dope dealers I should sell dope too? I guess keeping good values when other dont is just too much for some people... I refuse to let myself be brought down to,that level. I find it more gratifying to work my ass off and save a little to get the thing I want/need, rather than lie cheat and steal! Its not a shot at you, but at all the people that have been doing it. As this make everything worse on all of us!
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