Help with my decision - Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hello guys
I have quite a dilemma right now. Im seriously thinking about buying Lumia 900 when it will be avalible in Europe. I Love the looks, love Nokia brand, love the Windows Phone..amazing phone BUT i was thinking. Since the Lumia 900 is only a single core phone (I dont care bout hw specs, since WP is working fast as hell) and the Windows 8 or Apollo ? is behind the door with the multi-core support im really worried about the update of the Lumia 900. What do you guys think ? Will the Lumia 900 get the Windows Apollo update or NOT ?
Its quite (HELL expensive) expensive phone i dont want to buy it and get it outdated in 6 months, with no chance of updating to amazing Apollo.
Your opinions ? Should i buy or should i wait ? :/
Thanks

Since nobody here works for Microsoft (however MS employees already signed a very strong NDA, so they are more silent than regular members ) nobody can tell you exactly how amazing Apollo will be, what handsets will receive that update etc. Only rumors and baseless assumptions.
Lumia 900 is a very good phone, so if you can afford it - buy it As for "outdated in 6 month" - it's just a current trend; manufacturers releasing new stuff every half a year; so it's not a WP specific problem. But you never be able to get a "lifetime" device; there is no such a thing.

I see no reason to suspect that current phones, especially gen2 phones, and particularly the gen2 flagship phone (Lumia 900) won't continue getting updates. This isn't Android, here. In fact, Microsoft have said they're requiring that phones be supported for some time. All current phone, including the gen 1.0 models (now 1.5 years old) are getting Tango. I wouldn't be worried.
Now, AT&T might try and screw you over with late updates and such... they have a well-deserved reputation for that kind of thing, and despite Microsoft's efforts they managed to delay some of the WP7 updates by months. Eventually, though, the updates still go out.

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HTC Touch Pro 2 OR NOKIA N97

Dear Experts,
I have a question regarding the 2 models HTC Touch Pro 2 & NOKIA N97
What will be the best mobile between the above 2 options taking in consideration that i don't care about the nature of the operating system, however what i care about is the business use, stability, robustness & the most important is that it can sync with my outlook contacts, calendar and other office documents.
Awaiting for your reply ASAP
Regards,
Talal
Touch Pro 2 definitely
You shouldn't even compare!.
Touch Pro 2 is an enterprise device where as N series is in the Entertainment segment.
Dear Friends,
Thanks for your advice, and I will be waiting for the official release in order to buy it.
Last but not least about HTC, the company used to produce a new model with some new features or enhancements every few months which will effect the existing model or models.
Do you consider that HTC TP2 will sustain at least for 2 years and what about the rumor of the HTC touch pro 3
check the below link
http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda/
Regards,
zongol said:
Dear Experts,
I have a question regarding the 2 models HTC Touch Pro 2 & NOKIA N97
What will be the best mobile between the above 2 options taking in consideration that i don't care about the nature of the operating system, however what i care about is the business use, stability, robustness & the most important is that it can sync with my outlook contacts, calendar and other office documents.
Awaiting for your reply ASAP
Regards,
Talal
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I am in the midst of the same decision , you say you don't care about the OS, but I think that that is the entire basis of the decision. Symbian or Windows Mobile. In it' s original pre-release specs the N97 would blow the TP II ( also pre-release specs ) away, but as it gets closer to release , Nokia is really stepping down the specs.
N97 cpu -434Mhz TP II- 528Mhz
N97 Ram-128 Mb TP II- 288 Mb
N97 Internal storage 32Gb TP II 512 Mb
I think it all comes down to which OS you think you can get along with the most.
I fear the advice where will be as biased as if you find a nokiaDeveloper forum and ask there
people who don't pref touch pro 2 would not be likely to spend that much time in this forum
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the most important is that it can sync with my outlook contacts, calendar and other office documents.
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You answered your own question there mate.
I used to have an N80, so I know the N-Series are good. But my friend has an N96 and to be honest, I was dissapointed when I played with it.
I predict, as Denco has said, that the N97 won't be all that is hyped up to be and that the specs might be a bit exaggerated at the moment.
Go for the TP2. It will have an official WM6.5 ROM released for it in October and it's power and features are that of what other PocketPC manufacturers are going to be trying to match for the next year or so...
Thomas.
Rudegar said:
I fear the advice where will be as biased as if you find a nokiaDeveloper forum and ask there
people who don't pref touch pro 2 would not be likely to spend that much time in this forum
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More than agree
Go to a Volvo dealer and ask wich is better between Ford and Volvo...
NOKIA N97
No questions asked. This coming from a die hard fan of htc phones. Current TP owner. WinMo is awesome but is not and will not be a good OS for some time.
Respectfully
I would never think on changing WM for Symbian or any other, at least by now...perhaps in the future Android could be a good option...
There will always be a newer model avail every year or so. If you hold off on buying because of that you'll spend your life waiting for the next model. I say go with the TP2 for one simple reason......HTC!
Second the TP2 as the hot device out now...check out the excitement over in the Rhodium forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=488
I think you should go for neither, either wait for the Palm Pre if they can release it anytime soon or the new iphone i would assume both are about a month or so away. If you cant wait then go for the N97 for the simple fact that Nokia innovate and progress with their products, where as HTC create one product then put limitations on the hardware and then unlock these limitations and then sell the same product as new product. Pretty much almost all the new features on the TP2 derive from software upgrades and not hardware upgrades.
The N97 does actually give u more hardware for your money and with the advent of the Ovi Store (once its up and running properly) you will more than likely be able to pick up software to fulfill all your needs.
I would personally wait for another manufacturer to release an android phone or a windows mobile phone and go for that instead. Check out the Samsung i7500 or some of the upcoming LG phones.
Maybe too many htc fanboys here to give an unbiased opinion.
The symbian operating system will be totally limited to what it will allow you to do, there is very little room for modding.... really it's just tweaking, Nokia for sure has prevented access to the system files with newer Nseries phones, so there won't really be a whole lot of that....
Blows me away seeing how much can be done with Windows Mobile as far as changing the functionality of the phone....
But the N97 is a sweet phone, and I do plan to own one!
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N97 cpu -434Mhz TP II- 528Mhz
N97 Ram-128 Mb TP II- 288 Mb
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Comparing these stats is meaningless. Diferent O/Ss will require diferent compiled exe's and diferent processors run diferent architecture which will also compile as diferent size exe's. Also, you cannot directly compare one clock speed with another unless they are the same manufacturer and based on the same architecture.
The only way to compare across such diferent devices would be in every day use i.e. open a word document, edit it and save it (see how laggy it is/isn't) or show a video and see how well it shows etc...
If you want outlook syncing then nothing that im aware of beats WinMob but, what would you expect from an O/S thats by Microsoft for a MS product? I can't comment on the Nokia syncing, never used one.
edit: HTC's internal ram has always sucked (as have many WinMob devices) instead, relying on expansion SD/Mini-SD. If you need such great storage, the best way I know of at the moment is a 16gig Omnia with a 16gig card in it (total 32gig).
imho...
Office integration on Symbian is much better these days. Though you may need to upgrade the Office software included to get fuller functioning.
One thing that still annoys me on Symbian, is lack of support for Outlook Catagories. I just don't understand why they don't just add it...
If you like to play and tweak OS etc. the go HTC.
If you like Social Networking stuff, Go Nokia. they are really making a big push on services support in this area. Good widgets for Home Screen etc.
If you want a decent camera/video recording go Nokia.
If you like high res screen, for HTC.
On a similar rant. I just don't understand why HTC can't just put decent camera hardware on thier devices...
Also, on the warranty side, Nokia are excellent (at least in the UK). You get 2 years. Any trouble, just pop into your local Nokia Repair Shop. They also tend to be geared towards actually getting repairs done for a 'reasonable' cost if it's not a warranty issue, with Parts being readily available.
This was not the case with HTC (a year or 2 back). May have improved now.
There is a grid by Steve Litchfield (allaboutsymbian, so slightly biased...) which I find quite fun.
It's at : http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/grid.htm
Me, I think I'm pinning hopes on the TG01 at the moment. But getting frustrated that I don't see a real release date/price. Might be tempted by the Omnia HD or N97.
Hope that's helpful.
Zuber
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On a similar rant. I just don't understand why HTC can't just put decent camera hardware on thier devices...
..... I think I'm pinning hopes on the TG01 at the moment. But getting frustrated that I don't see a real release date/price. Might be tempted by the Omnia HD or N97.
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Same here, thats why my current is an Omnia I900 and its, not needed, replacement which arrives Friday is a Acer M900 - both 5meg cameras.
Dont hold your breath on the TG01. They just announced the good news, its processor is being upgraded to 1.3ghz, the bad news is that its not even going into Sampling until the end of the year. Phones reaching the shelves were scheduled for "sometime early next year" ... dont forget the inevitable delays
Hard to pick as I'm pretty unimpressed by both the N97 and the TP2 and wouldn't even think of getting either. If Windows Mobile, then the new Toshi phones - particularly the announced one with the capacitive creen - OR the Samsung Omnia HD (but that's Symbian).
If you ABSOLUTELY must to pick from between these two models, get the TP2. Nevertheless, to get a decent multimedia / camera phone, I also recommend getting a cheap, second-hand Nokia N95. Or, if you want gaming, an iPhone 3G or an iPod Touch 2G. The best of the two (three) worlds.
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Dont hold your breath on the TG01. They just announced the good news, its processor is being upgraded to 1.3ghz, the bad news is that its not even going into Sampling until the end of the year. Phones reaching the shelves were scheduled for "sometime early next year" ... dont forget the inevitable delays
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I read about that, but I thought it meant that there would 'also' be a faster version coming later with current release plans for June/July. Did not think it was 'instead of'. What's Toshiba playing at? If it's true, then I'm guessing they are still having some problems with it and decided to postpone...
Can someone point to something definate regarding the delay ?
Sorry to go off topic.
Thanks,
Zuber
Despite the difference of CPU or some other hardware... WM is much better than SB(Symbian, SB-->means "****" in chinese ^o^ )

[Q] Buy now or wait

I am planning to buy hd7s should I buy now or wait for new devices with better hardware
Thanks in advance
I think it's a good time to buy a wp7, mango comming out (soon) And new hardware hmmmmm I think there will be some phones with a qwerty keyboard but thats it no big hardware upgrades
better wait
IMO, it is better to wait until mango comes out and some more phones with better hardware. Though WP7 is good enough, it is still yet to get so many features. Being Mango the biggest update, we need to see how much level , does it take the OS. And regarding hardware, all WP phones are just as per minimum hardware requirements by MS and no phone yet which makes you say WOW.
I own focus now and i do like it.
Currently my plan is to wait until Mango and possibly any new phones and take the call b/w a WP7 and iPhone 5.
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I am planning to buy hd7s should I buy now or wait for new devices with better hardware
Thanks in advance
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Will it support 3G in India? Nokia has plans for WP7 in India. I will say wait and see what they have to offer.
It is good to wait...most probably the new mango device will be come out during september or october,by ZTE....if you want go for nokia,you may have to wait until end of this year...
I'm pretty sure new devices will have a big difference with current devices,don't ever buy the device now,because they still using qualcomm 1st gen 1ghz snapdragon processor.
Furthermore,new devices most probably will be equipped with front facing camera,Gyroscope,better processor,better camera,higher ram,better screen and etc...so it is good to wait since it is not too long from now.
Don't choose the way like me,feel regret to be the first adopter of WP7,software flaws can be fixed...but hardware never...think twice
You can always wait my friend, there'll be always new better hardware.
but now, (at least here in europe) WP7 is an epic fail, and they are cleaning the stocks of WP7 phones. I got mine operator free (LG) for 199€ some months ago, it was more than 400€ worth, some had something like 640€ price (maybe due the 16gb storage). I wanted the Trophy for 149€, but it was actually out of stock.
Maybe they got remplaced by some new Android Galaxys clones.
If you wait until mango, maybe the prices will rise again (althoug I don't think so)
I read somewere that the WP7 operating system doesn't support dual core.
If its right, than I think there won't be better hardware until WP8 or Windows 8
If you buy right now a tegra phone, maybe you'll regret it, because news are coming, with 3DS-like screens, higher res displays, Windows 8 based phones and on and on...
You'll wait forever.
The only thing to do, is what I did, get a WP7 as cheap as possible, and hope that mango will bring some new features, and that our phone will be W8 upgradable...
yea,somehow agree with you...buy the phone as cheap as possible...because you might just want to try out the whole new OS,but it does not means it works perfectly for you.
Remember,is buy the phone at a cheap price,not sign a f**king cheap contract,never sign a contract.
If you want something last long,I reckon samsung galaxy s 2,its product life at least 1 or 2 years.Just like galaxy s
don't wait
buy an android I was once a windows mobile guy, android is better and there is more device to pick from. Microsoft mess up big time with this one.
thanks
Thanks everyone for your replies I think it makes sense to wait till September
What Im doing is getting a new contract and getting S 2 then im going to sell it when nokia releases their wp7 device and buy it pay as you go. I make actully make money if my contract is cheap. However I like to change my device every few months.
Saved me from asking the same question. My contract has just run out and I have switched to a sim only deal. Still very happy with my Hd2.
I so badly wanted the HD7 bu have now decided to wait until I see what happens over next few months Instead of getting bogged down with a long contract now.

Windows phone' s questions!

With the jailb all limitations are deleted or...?
Android or WP?
XperiaS(HTC ONEX, S2) or Lumia 800? (I want to keep the phone for two years)
dual/quad core or single core?
Thank you a lot
Don't think you can get jailbreaks currently for WP7. It maybe a while or may not even be available.
As for the OS, it's your call really. I find WP7 quite pleasing to use. Android is ok, but not as polished as WP7. And of course the major problem with Android is not getting updates on a timely basis. After 5 months, most phones are still waiting for ICS.
But the HW is another story. Android has better hardware. If I were to go for a phone today for the next 2 years, I would go for the HTC One X.
If you prefer WP7, then the Nokias are the way to go. Beautiful hardware and Nokia's full commitment to WP7 including exclusive apps like Nokia Drive make it worthwhile to buy Nokia.
Disclaimer: I haven't used the One X or Nokia. I own a HTC Radar and am reasonably happy with it.
go for windows phone and even consider samsung windows phones. They can be easily jailbreaked by interop to get the most of it.

[Q] Buy device now or wait for Apollo

This is a repost from the Nokia 900 forum and just wasn't sure if this is a better place for this question. Saying that my decison is currently being based around said device.
I am very interested in this phone and the $20 Amazon price tag makes it even more exciting but Apollo is (reportedly) just around the corner.
My question is should I wait and get Apollo or go ahead and grab this? I can't think of a good enough reason to wait ATM but I must admit that is mostly due to the fact that I can't think of any must have features Apollo would have that Mango doesn't or that the 900's Hardware wouldn't be able to handle other than screen resolution and I am certainly not waiting 6 months or better for that.
What say you?
I'd go for it if my contract was up anytime soon. I seriously doubt the Lumia 900 won't get an upgrade to Apollo, like you say the hardware is all good plus Apollo runs WP7 apps too.
I agree - grab one now. With the support from the expertise of this community you KNOW youll get all the benefits of Apollo in due course lol
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I agree - grab one now. With the support from the expertise of this community you KNOW youll get all the benefits of Apollo in due course lol
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Thats something I hadn't really thought about haha. Silly me.
Now I am just waiting to get hands on a white one to see how much that gloss will bother me. If not that one then it is a black one with a case. Why isn't the white matte?!?!?!?!
It is entirely possible the others understood your question and I do not so I would like you to explain what you are asking.
Buy the Lumia 900 or wait for Apollo
A phone vs an OS upgrade?
I do not understand the comparison.
But just to weigh in on the waiting game if you can wait then wait. If you need something now then get it now. In the subsidy world I would find it hard to believe the the Lumia 900 will end up at a price that is unobtainable vs the debut special price we are seeing now.
There is very little reason to believe that the Lumia 900 will not get Apollo. It would go against the microsoft plan and all the hard work Nokia put into this phone. But if you are looking at it from a handset offering (rumoured dual cores) when Apollo launches then if you can wait then wait. I am waiting for Ivy Bridge + Kepler (but giving Trinity a look just for due diligence).
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It is entirely possible the others understood your question and I do not so I would like you to explain what you are asking.
Buy the Lumia 900 or wait for Apollo
A phone vs an OS upgrade?
I do not understand the comparison.
But just to weigh in on the waiting game if you can wait then wait. If you need something now then get it now. In the subsidy world I would find it hard to believe the the Lumia 900 will end up at a price that is unobtainable vs the debut special price we are seeing now.
There is very little reason to believe that the Lumia 900 will not get Apollo. It would go against the microsoft plan and all the hard work Nokia put into this phone. But if you are looking at it from a handset offering (rumoured dual cores) when Apollo launches then if you can wait then wait. I am waiting for Ivy Bridge + Kepler (but giving Trinity a look just for due diligence).
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Its more of a question of upgrading now(Lumia 900) or waiting for an apollo device. And everyone mentions upgraded processors or dual core but for what purpose?
What are we expecting Apollo to have that will quantify having that kind of neccesary upgrade? I am not sure if the Lumia will get the upgrade( most likely will) but I suppose the question is other than resolution what killer feature would it be missing?
Well to wait or not to wait depends solely on if you can or cannot. Also is the Lumia 900 missing something that you need, and may be offered in a next gen phone?
The Lumia 900 is good enough for me now. FFC, 4.3" screen. I do not need a dual core or NFC or 1080p or bigger storage. The only thing I would need would be more apps and features.
It is reasonable to assume the Lumia 900 will get Apollo.
It is reasonable to assume Windows Phone will bring multicore phones to the table.
wait for apollo
When it comes to appollo it would not be just an OS upgrade
Appollo has three features which would radically change the phones released for it.
1) It would allow for external storage so you can expect the phones to be having removable sd cards
2) HD screens (I am sure the appollo version phones from samsung and nokia will blow the retina display apart)
3) Dual core CPU. WP7 runs fine with the current CPU but dual core is just making it more bad ass
But if I were you I would go for a 900/800 now and once appollo phones come start think of my second phone (Nov end is a long wait)
Go for one now
I see that you like the WP7 OS, otherwise you wouldnt be that unsure if buying it now or later.
So its pretty close that you go for one now, and most possibly upgrade it officially, otherwise the hackers and modders here will make it possible then
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When it comes to appollo it would not be just an OS upgrade
Appollo has three features which would radically change the phones released for it.
1) It would allow for external storage so you can expect the phones to be having removable sd cards
2) HD screens (I am sure the appollo version phones from samsung and nokia will blow the retina display apart)
3) Dual core CPU. WP7 runs fine with the current CPU but dual core is just making it more bad ass
But if I were you I would go for a 900/800 now and once appollo phones come start think of my second phone (Nov end is a long wait)
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This has to be the most complete answer I have seen yet!! Thanks for your input and showing the reasoning behind it.
I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion and this will most likely be my plan of attack.
Quick question for you or anyone else while I have your ear. Has anyone seen the gloss white 900/800? And if you have what are your impressions if it's durability compared to the matte?
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When it comes to appollo it would not be just an OS upgrade
Appollo has three features which would radically change the phones released for it.
1) It would allow for external storage so you can expect the phones to be having removable sd cards
2) HD screens (I am sure the appollo version phones from samsung and nokia will blow the retina display apart)
3) Dual core CPU. WP7 runs fine with the current CPU but dual core is just making it more bad ass
But if I were you I would go for a 900/800 now and once appollo phones come start think of my second phone (Nov end is a long wait)
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I am assuming these 'three features' are purely based on rumours and your own speculation right?
There isn't even enough info about the Tango devices yet, I doubt all these has ever been said anywhere from any official or trust worthy sources. Learning lessons from how everything was copied easily in iOS 5 and Ice Cream Sandwich after Mango developer previews, Microsoft has so far done a good job to keep Apollo very very close to their hearts. I would love Microsoft to not say a word or even bother to release a developer preview until 1 day before the launch, if they really feel desperate. So, if these are not rumours or speculations, links please

What is this 18 month Support Thing?

If you all remember from the Windows Phone Summit, it was mentioned that all devices launced will have (receive updates) for a period of 18 months.
What does this mean brothers? Does it mean every WP device released will be neglected and won't be able to upgrade to another major OS update just like today's 1st and 2nd gen devices after 18 months.
What if we get quad core, NFC and all these hardcore hardware goodies? Will a phone with all the wonderful specs still be neglected? I really don't see how if the Kernels and cores are not changed.
Typical example: Will the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy III loose support for Android ONE DAY??? Even if the Android kernel and the cores still remain the same???
I'm really lost and need your opinions...any explanations?
Kenzibit said:
If you all remember from the Windows Phone Summit, it was mentioned that all devices launced will have (receive updates) for a period of 18 months.
What does this mean brothers? Does it mean every WP device released will be neglected and won't be able to upgrade to another major OS update just like today's 1st and 2nd gen devices after 18 months.
What if we get quad core, NFC and all these hardcore hardware goodies? Will a phone with all the wonderful specs still be neglected? I really don't see how if the Kernels and cores are not changed.
Typical example: Will the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy III loose support for Android ONE DAY??? Even if the Android kernel and the cores still remain the same???
I'm really lost and need your opinions...any explanations?
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I hope it does lose support after 18 months as that leaves the room for new innovation every 18 months which is fantastic if you as an end user want value for money! 18 months in gadget years is a long time. I would rather prefer new screen res, new processors, new add-ons to the hardware that can be exploited using an updated OS. However, yes if the OS can do all these by not changing kernel etc, we might potentially still be able to update to newer OS, but would you not want those hardware features that evolve in 18 months? I would!
18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!
Zhariak said:
18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!
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For example, they could exploit the possibility of x86 instead of ARM?
or hexa-cores?
or kinect sensors?
Now imagine if we could run the new kernel and MSFT would give WP8 to us right now, but we had same hardware, we wouldn't be seeing those NFC goodies on our current phones or those games that exploit multicores!
Zhariak said:
18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!
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That would be idiotic. 3 years?
And considering that Android manufacturers abandon you before you've even bought it, 18 months is perfectly fine.
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18 months is fine its the length of your contracts eligibility so essentially your phone will be supported until the next wave comes out.
18 months is perfect, means you can enjoy your latest update for a half year before your contract expires and you can renew it icm with a new phone.
Come to think of this, then someone like me need not buy a flagship phone. When WP8 comes out, they'll be low end, mid range and high end phones, since I don't play a lot of games on my phone and just use my social, forum and productivity apps, I really don't need to buy a WP GS3 or One X like WP which will no be supported in 18 months time. Both high end and low end WP 8 devices will not be supported in 18 months time then I better buy a cheap WP8 device when it comes out. Or am I wrong?
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And also are they giving us 18 months support based on the expirations of contracts? If so then they are not being fair to some of us who buy phones off contract. You really need to use your phone like forever if you buy one coz they are damn expensive.
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And also are they giving us 18 months support based on the expirations of contracts? If so then they are not being fair to some of us who buy phones off contract. You really need to use your phone like forever if you buy one coz they are damn expensive.
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Why is this such a complicated concept?
It's 18 months from when the phone is released.
If you buy a year old phone, then that would be your problem.
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Personally, I think it should be at least 24 months, in the US we all end up with 2 year contracts. Now if you buy the phone 3-4 months after it's release, who's fault is that ? Yours not Microsoft.
Now here's another good question that should effect US users. Does this 18 months start when the phone is released by the Carriers or the OEM ? Phones released in the US tend to get an overseas release before the US, sometimes as much as 6 months (GSM or CDMA).
How about the case of the Verizon Trophy or the Sprint Arrive, for example. The GSM Trophy was released about 8-9 months BEFORE the CDMA releases of the Arrive or the (few weeks later) Trophy. Yea, people say they are different phones but, MS could say, no a Trophy is a Trophy. Are you saying when I buy a CDMA phone (better coverage in the US now) my upgrades from Microsoft could only be 6-7 months on a just released phone, that I just signed a new 2 year contract on (sorry Lumia 900 owners) ?????????????????
All I know, when the WP8 devices start shipping, I will watch for the most popular one on here, and buy that one, because the XDA hackers will give me WP9, even if Microsoft does not
All its saying is Microsoft has to support them for AT LEAST 18 months. It doesn't mean they're necessarily going to abandon every 18 month old phone. All the contract says is that they are obliged to support us for 18 months. Who knows? We might even get windows phone 9 on or wp8 devices if they are compatible!
Knowing how Microsoft updates Windows and the XBOX, I would bet that you would get EVERY update including the major release, Unless your over 18 months after release (after 18months you will get all minor releases but, no more major updates).
As in the xbox, if your system requres a update, you can not access xbox live till you update. I'm sure MS would want everything standardized and on the same level if possable.
The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?
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The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?
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Nothing happens after 18 months.
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sinister1 said:
The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?
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Nothing really...
They stop supporting your device(as for updates). I know that just because WP9 hits, your apps are not going to stop working or anything like that. It just means just like now, your going to get a minor update for Wp 7.5, and they will move on to WP8, all current apps will work fine and most of WP8 apps would work too (some games and big production apps could be an acception.)
As someone posted on another thread, a programmer today creating an app for WP8 would want to make it backwards compatable to 7.5/8 to reach the most people possable and reach higher sales amounts. If you just make a WP8 only app, you limit the people who can access your app. Just makes business cense...
Some apps will need the WP8 features and those you will not be able to run (high impact games will be the acception for the most part).
DavidinCT said:
As someone posted on another thread, a programmer today creating an app for WP8 would want to make it backwards compatable to 7.5/8 to reach the most people possable and reach higher sales amounts. If you just make a WP8 only app, you limit the people who can access your app. Just makes business cense...
Some apps will need the WP8 features and those you will not be able to run (high impact games will be the acception for the most part).
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But if it is a port from Android, iOS or even a Windows 8 Metro App, it is way easier to port to WP8 than to WP7, and if WP8 sales are good, it might not be profitable to support the small marketshare that WP7 holds.
However, as of today your statement is of course true because there is not even a WP8 SDK.
slimshady322 said:
But if it is a port from Android, iOS or even a Windows 8 Metro App, it is way easier to port to WP8 than to WP7, and if WP8 sales are good, it might not be profitable to support the small marketshare that WP7 holds.
However, as of today your statement is of course true because there is not even a WP8 SDK.
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Any new OS version WON'T have a bigger marketshare than that times ongoing OS.
e.g.
WP7.5 will have more than WP7.8 at its launch
WP7.8 will have more than WP8 at its launch
WP8 will have more than WP9 at its launch
etc.
So... even if WP8 sales are good since day 1, it will take at least 6-8 months to overtake that time's WP7.x userbase.
In the least effect, a W8 developer who ONLY ports to WP8 is losing potential 12 million customers - simple maths.

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