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IOS or WP7?

Im using 3GS right now and will either upgrade to a WP or IP4/5, I am sick of Android feeling like its still in a beta stage and freezing, closing apps, lagging no matter what phone. Anyway back when I used the focus the UI was amazing! But it was missing features...IOS is great! Time for some new features though imo, has WP7 been upgraded to more features? And how long will those updates last for the current WP's? What in your opinion is the best WP? And ultimatly what do you think is better? Hopefully Apple announces what IOS5 will be like. I really like WP7 but it felt like it needed time to get more features and some Apps were not optimized properly(ebay) but wow! That os is like butter! If it keeps getting features I may have to go WP! Especially if IOS5 is the same old, But for now I guess I gotta stay IOS.

maybe you should wait until fall or september,then both iphone 4s and major updates for WP7 are released,that time you can make a better comparison.which phone to buy...

The Fall Update to WP is a pretty big one, and new hardware will come out with it so I'd wait. The OS as it is, is to me the best designed out there, and the features people have been aching for are almost all coming with Mango (the fall OS update). Its going to be pretty nice, but ultimately up to you what you like most.

you've already pointed out that ios is complete and mature, try a friends phone around christmas and see if wp7 updates are all they're claimed to be...

the iPhone/iOS really is matured. You know where the saying comes from "There is an app for that".
I am still missing a lot of apps I was using on the iPhone, which are not (yet) available for WP7. But I really like the look of feel of WP7.

Wait for Mango if you like simplified device working more or less without any trouble
and you don't miss some basics. The UI is consistent and very easy.
For more sophisticated and better equipped device look somwhere else.

doministry said:
Wait for Mango if you like simplified device working more or less without any trouble
and you don't miss some basics. The UI is consistent and very easy.
For more sophisticated and better equipped device look somwhere else.
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IMO the UI on Wp7 blows iOS out of the water. It's simple yet still highly functional. I keep making my older and less technical users go to WP7 devices. They all seem to love it and I see them on their phones all the time - I'm sure their productivity is tanking lol.

Ignorance is Bliss, as they say.
But I'd wait until Mango and IP5 is our and make a more informed decision.
Right now WP7 can't hold a candle to iOS, but the update will be big. Unfortunately it's months off so you'll have to use a phone that has 30+% less functionality than your 3GS and many showstoppers (and lack of Apps) if you upgrade NOW.
I'd wait.

Wait for iPhone4S/5 and WP7 Mango update, and then decide. You might look into Samsung Galaxy SII as well, it's very fast. Maybe more device coming out with Dualcore/Quadcore that improves Android. WP7 is still in beta stage imho.

I've been using wp7 since October when I replaced my 3gs, and I've missed nothing so far.and that's been very honest, the thing is all I use to use on the iPhone was Facebook eBay satnav n a few more apps so the 300k appstore didn't matter to me. You've gotta think about the features and apps u need. Upgrading to wp7 guarantee u mango update regardless of the handset you choose.
Wp7 Focus

wp7 for sure, the metro UI is amazing.

I just bought a WP& phone, will post what i think of it, just hope the app market kicks off and MS add more functionality and that it becomes moddable

opti7 said:
I just bought a WP& phone, will post what i think of it, just hope the app market kicks off and MS add more functionality and that it becomes moddable
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Functionality is more than coming:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084161
Marketplace is already pretty good considering dev's cant create certain apps yet (Mango SDK will have all the 1500+ API's available, many of which will be used to create these lacking apps).
If you are looking for heavy modification, it may not be the platform for you, but people will definitely be modding it. Just not the extent WM & Android users are probably used to.

I went with the iPhone4, Im still gonna wait and see how WP7 goes and see what Apple does with IOS5, then I can make my Dec with what I want, but Ive heard from a lot of news sources that WP7 is doing pretty bad in sales and that its really not catching on at all, hopefully it dosnt go the way of the Kin phones...

As some have already said, I would probably wait for the Mango update and iPhone 5 before making the decision. I got a WP7 and I really enjoy it, but I think to make a fair choice, you should wait to pick between the two.

solidkevin said:
I went with the iPhone4, Im still gonna wait and see how WP7 goes and see what Apple does with IOS5, then I can make my Dec with what I want, but Ive heard from a lot of news sources that WP7 is doing pretty bad in sales and that its really not catching on at all, hopefully it dosnt go the way of the Kin phones...
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Actually sales of wp7 from start till now are better then sales of iphone when it came out for same amount of time + soon nokia will arrive with their wp7 phones and wp7 is gonna blow the market

eXtremeLT said:
Actually sales of wp7 from start till now are better then sales of iphone when it came out for same amount of time + soon nokia will arrive with their wp7 phones and wp7 is gonna blow the market
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Nokia phones in 2012 which is dumb imo, why not get it rolling out as quickly as possible?

solidkevin said:
Nokia phones in 2012 which is dumb imo, why not get it rolling out as quickly as possible?
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They are doing it as quickly as possible. Its a major change at Nokia, it doesn't happen overnight. Nokia is planning for a late 2011 release of their first phone(s), and they are planning a whopping 12 devices (rumored so far) in 2012 running wp7 (including a dual core N8 version with a 12MP high optics camera). They will be using both qualcomm chips and SE dual core chips according to forbes.
http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwo...bes.com: Technology News)&utm_content=Twitter
There will also be some pretty nice second gen phones from Samsung, HTC, LG ect so people should have quite a few nice ones to choose from.

dtboos said:
They are doing it as quickly as possible. Its a major change at Nokia, it doesn't happen overnight. Nokia is planning for a late 2011 release of their first phone(s), and they are planning a whopping 12 devices (rumored so far) in 2012 running wp7 (including a dual core N8 version with a 12MP high optics camera). They will be using both qualcomm chips and SE dual core chips according to forbes.
http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwo...bes.com: Technology News)&utm_content=Twitter
There will also be some pretty nice second gen phones from Samsung, HTC, LG ect so people should have quite a few nice ones to choose from.
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If the OS is up to par with IOS in terms of features and Apps by the time Nokias phone comes, thats my next phone, Nokia=Fantastic hardware+Camera, Crap Symbian...

Help with my decision

Hello guys
I have quite a dilemma right now. Im seriously thinking about buying Lumia 900 when it will be avalible in Europe. I Love the looks, love Nokia brand, love the Windows Phone..amazing phone BUT i was thinking. Since the Lumia 900 is only a single core phone (I dont care bout hw specs, since WP is working fast as hell) and the Windows 8 or Apollo ? is behind the door with the multi-core support im really worried about the update of the Lumia 900. What do you guys think ? Will the Lumia 900 get the Windows Apollo update or NOT ?
Its quite (HELL expensive) expensive phone i dont want to buy it and get it outdated in 6 months, with no chance of updating to amazing Apollo.
Your opinions ? Should i buy or should i wait ? :/
Thanks

Since nobody here works for Microsoft (however MS employees already signed a very strong NDA, so they are more silent than regular members ) nobody can tell you exactly how amazing Apollo will be, what handsets will receive that update etc. Only rumors and baseless assumptions.
Lumia 900 is a very good phone, so if you can afford it - buy it As for "outdated in 6 month" - it's just a current trend; manufacturers releasing new stuff every half a year; so it's not a WP specific problem. But you never be able to get a "lifetime" device; there is no such a thing.

I see no reason to suspect that current phones, especially gen2 phones, and particularly the gen2 flagship phone (Lumia 900) won't continue getting updates. This isn't Android, here. In fact, Microsoft have said they're requiring that phones be supported for some time. All current phone, including the gen 1.0 models (now 1.5 years old) are getting Tango. I wouldn't be worried.
Now, AT&T might try and screw you over with late updates and such... they have a well-deserved reputation for that kind of thing, and despite Microsoft's efforts they managed to delay some of the WP7 updates by months. Eventually, though, the updates still go out.

[Q] Buy device now or wait for Apollo

This is a repost from the Nokia 900 forum and just wasn't sure if this is a better place for this question. Saying that my decison is currently being based around said device.
I am very interested in this phone and the $20 Amazon price tag makes it even more exciting but Apollo is (reportedly) just around the corner.
My question is should I wait and get Apollo or go ahead and grab this? I can't think of a good enough reason to wait ATM but I must admit that is mostly due to the fact that I can't think of any must have features Apollo would have that Mango doesn't or that the 900's Hardware wouldn't be able to handle other than screen resolution and I am certainly not waiting 6 months or better for that.
What say you?

I'd go for it if my contract was up anytime soon. I seriously doubt the Lumia 900 won't get an upgrade to Apollo, like you say the hardware is all good plus Apollo runs WP7 apps too.

I agree - grab one now. With the support from the expertise of this community you KNOW youll get all the benefits of Apollo in due course lol

pvt_nemesis said:
I agree - grab one now. With the support from the expertise of this community you KNOW youll get all the benefits of Apollo in due course lol
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Thats something I hadn't really thought about haha. Silly me.
Now I am just waiting to get hands on a white one to see how much that gloss will bother me. If not that one then it is a black one with a case. Why isn't the white matte?!?!?!?!

It is entirely possible the others understood your question and I do not so I would like you to explain what you are asking.
Buy the Lumia 900 or wait for Apollo
A phone vs an OS upgrade?
I do not understand the comparison.
But just to weigh in on the waiting game if you can wait then wait. If you need something now then get it now. In the subsidy world I would find it hard to believe the the Lumia 900 will end up at a price that is unobtainable vs the debut special price we are seeing now.
There is very little reason to believe that the Lumia 900 will not get Apollo. It would go against the microsoft plan and all the hard work Nokia put into this phone. But if you are looking at it from a handset offering (rumoured dual cores) when Apollo launches then if you can wait then wait. I am waiting for Ivy Bridge + Kepler (but giving Trinity a look just for due diligence).

nicksti said:
It is entirely possible the others understood your question and I do not so I would like you to explain what you are asking.
Buy the Lumia 900 or wait for Apollo
A phone vs an OS upgrade?
I do not understand the comparison.
But just to weigh in on the waiting game if you can wait then wait. If you need something now then get it now. In the subsidy world I would find it hard to believe the the Lumia 900 will end up at a price that is unobtainable vs the debut special price we are seeing now.
There is very little reason to believe that the Lumia 900 will not get Apollo. It would go against the microsoft plan and all the hard work Nokia put into this phone. But if you are looking at it from a handset offering (rumoured dual cores) when Apollo launches then if you can wait then wait. I am waiting for Ivy Bridge + Kepler (but giving Trinity a look just for due diligence).
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Its more of a question of upgrading now(Lumia 900) or waiting for an apollo device. And everyone mentions upgraded processors or dual core but for what purpose?
What are we expecting Apollo to have that will quantify having that kind of neccesary upgrade? I am not sure if the Lumia will get the upgrade( most likely will) but I suppose the question is other than resolution what killer feature would it be missing?

Well to wait or not to wait depends solely on if you can or cannot. Also is the Lumia 900 missing something that you need, and may be offered in a next gen phone?
The Lumia 900 is good enough for me now. FFC, 4.3" screen. I do not need a dual core or NFC or 1080p or bigger storage. The only thing I would need would be more apps and features.
It is reasonable to assume the Lumia 900 will get Apollo.
It is reasonable to assume Windows Phone will bring multicore phones to the table.

wait for apollo

When it comes to appollo it would not be just an OS upgrade
Appollo has three features which would radically change the phones released for it.
1) It would allow for external storage so you can expect the phones to be having removable sd cards
2) HD screens (I am sure the appollo version phones from samsung and nokia will blow the retina display apart)
3) Dual core CPU. WP7 runs fine with the current CPU but dual core is just making it more bad ass
But if I were you I would go for a 900/800 now and once appollo phones come start think of my second phone (Nov end is a long wait)

Go for one now
I see that you like the WP7 OS, otherwise you wouldnt be that unsure if buying it now or later.
So its pretty close that you go for one now, and most possibly upgrade it officially, otherwise the hackers and modders here will make it possible then

shamreez said:
When it comes to appollo it would not be just an OS upgrade
Appollo has three features which would radically change the phones released for it.
1) It would allow for external storage so you can expect the phones to be having removable sd cards
2) HD screens (I am sure the appollo version phones from samsung and nokia will blow the retina display apart)
3) Dual core CPU. WP7 runs fine with the current CPU but dual core is just making it more bad ass
But if I were you I would go for a 900/800 now and once appollo phones come start think of my second phone (Nov end is a long wait)
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This has to be the most complete answer I have seen yet!! Thanks for your input and showing the reasoning behind it.
I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion and this will most likely be my plan of attack.
Quick question for you or anyone else while I have your ear. Has anyone seen the gloss white 900/800? And if you have what are your impressions if it's durability compared to the matte?
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shamreez said:
When it comes to appollo it would not be just an OS upgrade
Appollo has three features which would radically change the phones released for it.
1) It would allow for external storage so you can expect the phones to be having removable sd cards
2) HD screens (I am sure the appollo version phones from samsung and nokia will blow the retina display apart)
3) Dual core CPU. WP7 runs fine with the current CPU but dual core is just making it more bad ass
But if I were you I would go for a 900/800 now and once appollo phones come start think of my second phone (Nov end is a long wait)
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I am assuming these 'three features' are purely based on rumours and your own speculation right?
There isn't even enough info about the Tango devices yet, I doubt all these has ever been said anywhere from any official or trust worthy sources. Learning lessons from how everything was copied easily in iOS 5 and Ice Cream Sandwich after Mango developer previews, Microsoft has so far done a good job to keep Apollo very very close to their hearts. I would love Microsoft to not say a word or even bother to release a developer preview until 1 day before the launch, if they really feel desperate. So, if these are not rumours or speculations, links please

[Q] Apollo?

Will anyone be supporting the htc arrive to possibly build an Apollo rom once the code is released so we can get even a small taste of the windows phone 8 magic?

With XDA it seems almost anything is possible but I certainly wouldnt hold my breath, At this point Im more wondering whether or not the Arrive will get 7.8. Its also confounding that sprint seems to be the only of the "big 4" carriers that havent committed to wp8.

Agreed, I'd love to see another windows phone on the sprint network, especially a wp8 with support for lte

I think personally when WP8 comes out I will just buy the first one with a proper keyboard. I haven't been in a situation where I've not wanted another smartphone in a long time, but unfortunately I just use it so much that my 7 Pro isn't going to last much past the end of the year I fear...

What is this 18 month Support Thing?

If you all remember from the Windows Phone Summit, it was mentioned that all devices launced will have (receive updates) for a period of 18 months.
What does this mean brothers? Does it mean every WP device released will be neglected and won't be able to upgrade to another major OS update just like today's 1st and 2nd gen devices after 18 months.
What if we get quad core, NFC and all these hardcore hardware goodies? Will a phone with all the wonderful specs still be neglected? I really don't see how if the Kernels and cores are not changed.
Typical example: Will the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy III loose support for Android ONE DAY??? Even if the Android kernel and the cores still remain the same???
I'm really lost and need your opinions...any explanations?

Kenzibit said:
If you all remember from the Windows Phone Summit, it was mentioned that all devices launced will have (receive updates) for a period of 18 months.
What does this mean brothers? Does it mean every WP device released will be neglected and won't be able to upgrade to another major OS update just like today's 1st and 2nd gen devices after 18 months.
What if we get quad core, NFC and all these hardcore hardware goodies? Will a phone with all the wonderful specs still be neglected? I really don't see how if the Kernels and cores are not changed.
Typical example: Will the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy III loose support for Android ONE DAY??? Even if the Android kernel and the cores still remain the same???
I'm really lost and need your opinions...any explanations?
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I hope it does lose support after 18 months as that leaves the room for new innovation every 18 months which is fantastic if you as an end user want value for money! 18 months in gadget years is a long time. I would rather prefer new screen res, new processors, new add-ons to the hardware that can be exploited using an updated OS. However, yes if the OS can do all these by not changing kernel etc, we might potentially still be able to update to newer OS, but would you not want those hardware features that evolve in 18 months? I would!

18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!

Zhariak said:
18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!
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For example, they could exploit the possibility of x86 instead of ARM?
or hexa-cores?
or kinect sensors?
Now imagine if we could run the new kernel and MSFT would give WP8 to us right now, but we had same hardware, we wouldn't be seeing those NFC goodies on our current phones or those games that exploit multicores!

Zhariak said:
18 Months is too short...
Think of how the latest gen phones got a front facing camera, yet we won't see Skype integration unless we upgrade to WP8...
What features will the 2nd gen of WP8 phones get that won't be used until WP9?
18 months is wayyyy too short... 36 would be a more fair number!
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That would be idiotic. 3 years?
And considering that Android manufacturers abandon you before you've even bought it, 18 months is perfectly fine.
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18 months is fine its the length of your contracts eligibility so essentially your phone will be supported until the next wave comes out.

18 months is perfect, means you can enjoy your latest update for a half year before your contract expires and you can renew it icm with a new phone.

Come to think of this, then someone like me need not buy a flagship phone. When WP8 comes out, they'll be low end, mid range and high end phones, since I don't play a lot of games on my phone and just use my social, forum and productivity apps, I really don't need to buy a WP GS3 or One X like WP which will no be supported in 18 months time. Both high end and low end WP 8 devices will not be supported in 18 months time then I better buy a cheap WP8 device when it comes out. Or am I wrong?
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And also are they giving us 18 months support based on the expirations of contracts? If so then they are not being fair to some of us who buy phones off contract. You really need to use your phone like forever if you buy one coz they are damn expensive.
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Kenzibit said:
And also are they giving us 18 months support based on the expirations of contracts? If so then they are not being fair to some of us who buy phones off contract. You really need to use your phone like forever if you buy one coz they are damn expensive.
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Why is this such a complicated concept?
It's 18 months from when the phone is released.
If you buy a year old phone, then that would be your problem.
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Personally, I think it should be at least 24 months, in the US we all end up with 2 year contracts. Now if you buy the phone 3-4 months after it's release, who's fault is that ? Yours not Microsoft.
Now here's another good question that should effect US users. Does this 18 months start when the phone is released by the Carriers or the OEM ? Phones released in the US tend to get an overseas release before the US, sometimes as much as 6 months (GSM or CDMA).
How about the case of the Verizon Trophy or the Sprint Arrive, for example. The GSM Trophy was released about 8-9 months BEFORE the CDMA releases of the Arrive or the (few weeks later) Trophy. Yea, people say they are different phones but, MS could say, no a Trophy is a Trophy. Are you saying when I buy a CDMA phone (better coverage in the US now) my upgrades from Microsoft could only be 6-7 months on a just released phone, that I just signed a new 2 year contract on (sorry Lumia 900 owners) ?????????????????
All I know, when the WP8 devices start shipping, I will watch for the most popular one on here, and buy that one, because the XDA hackers will give me WP9, even if Microsoft does not

All its saying is Microsoft has to support them for AT LEAST 18 months. It doesn't mean they're necessarily going to abandon every 18 month old phone. All the contract says is that they are obliged to support us for 18 months. Who knows? We might even get windows phone 9 on or wp8 devices if they are compatible!

Knowing how Microsoft updates Windows and the XBOX, I would bet that you would get EVERY update including the major release, Unless your over 18 months after release (after 18months you will get all minor releases but, no more major updates).
As in the xbox, if your system requres a update, you can not access xbox live till you update. I'm sure MS would want everything standardized and on the same level if possable.

The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?

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The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?
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Nothing happens after 18 months.
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The question is what happens after the 18 moths are up? Will they stop releasing apps for it? Will they shut the market place down for Windows Phone 7.8 users like they did with Windows Mobile forcing everyone to go to Windows Phone 8?
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Nothing really...
They stop supporting your device(as for updates). I know that just because WP9 hits, your apps are not going to stop working or anything like that. It just means just like now, your going to get a minor update for Wp 7.5, and they will move on to WP8, all current apps will work fine and most of WP8 apps would work too (some games and big production apps could be an acception.)
As someone posted on another thread, a programmer today creating an app for WP8 would want to make it backwards compatable to 7.5/8 to reach the most people possable and reach higher sales amounts. If you just make a WP8 only app, you limit the people who can access your app. Just makes business cense...
Some apps will need the WP8 features and those you will not be able to run (high impact games will be the acception for the most part).

DavidinCT said:
As someone posted on another thread, a programmer today creating an app for WP8 would want to make it backwards compatable to 7.5/8 to reach the most people possable and reach higher sales amounts. If you just make a WP8 only app, you limit the people who can access your app. Just makes business cense...
Some apps will need the WP8 features and those you will not be able to run (high impact games will be the acception for the most part).
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But if it is a port from Android, iOS or even a Windows 8 Metro App, it is way easier to port to WP8 than to WP7, and if WP8 sales are good, it might not be profitable to support the small marketshare that WP7 holds.
However, as of today your statement is of course true because there is not even a WP8 SDK.

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But if it is a port from Android, iOS or even a Windows 8 Metro App, it is way easier to port to WP8 than to WP7, and if WP8 sales are good, it might not be profitable to support the small marketshare that WP7 holds.
However, as of today your statement is of course true because there is not even a WP8 SDK.
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Any new OS version WON'T have a bigger marketshare than that times ongoing OS.
e.g.
WP7.5 will have more than WP7.8 at its launch
WP7.8 will have more than WP8 at its launch
WP8 will have more than WP9 at its launch
etc.
So... even if WP8 sales are good since day 1, it will take at least 6-8 months to overtake that time's WP7.x userbase.
In the least effect, a W8 developer who ONLY ports to WP8 is losing potential 12 million customers - simple maths.