[Q] Buy device now or wait for Apollo - Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

This is a repost from the Nokia 900 forum and just wasn't sure if this is a better place for this question. Saying that my decison is currently being based around said device.
I am very interested in this phone and the $20 Amazon price tag makes it even more exciting but Apollo is (reportedly) just around the corner.
My question is should I wait and get Apollo or go ahead and grab this? I can't think of a good enough reason to wait ATM but I must admit that is mostly due to the fact that I can't think of any must have features Apollo would have that Mango doesn't or that the 900's Hardware wouldn't be able to handle other than screen resolution and I am certainly not waiting 6 months or better for that.
What say you?

I'd go for it if my contract was up anytime soon. I seriously doubt the Lumia 900 won't get an upgrade to Apollo, like you say the hardware is all good plus Apollo runs WP7 apps too.

I agree - grab one now. With the support from the expertise of this community you KNOW youll get all the benefits of Apollo in due course lol

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I agree - grab one now. With the support from the expertise of this community you KNOW youll get all the benefits of Apollo in due course lol
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Thats something I hadn't really thought about haha. Silly me.
Now I am just waiting to get hands on a white one to see how much that gloss will bother me. If not that one then it is a black one with a case. Why isn't the white matte?!?!?!?!

It is entirely possible the others understood your question and I do not so I would like you to explain what you are asking.
Buy the Lumia 900 or wait for Apollo
A phone vs an OS upgrade?
I do not understand the comparison.
But just to weigh in on the waiting game if you can wait then wait. If you need something now then get it now. In the subsidy world I would find it hard to believe the the Lumia 900 will end up at a price that is unobtainable vs the debut special price we are seeing now.
There is very little reason to believe that the Lumia 900 will not get Apollo. It would go against the microsoft plan and all the hard work Nokia put into this phone. But if you are looking at it from a handset offering (rumoured dual cores) when Apollo launches then if you can wait then wait. I am waiting for Ivy Bridge + Kepler (but giving Trinity a look just for due diligence).

nicksti said:
It is entirely possible the others understood your question and I do not so I would like you to explain what you are asking.
Buy the Lumia 900 or wait for Apollo
A phone vs an OS upgrade?
I do not understand the comparison.
But just to weigh in on the waiting game if you can wait then wait. If you need something now then get it now. In the subsidy world I would find it hard to believe the the Lumia 900 will end up at a price that is unobtainable vs the debut special price we are seeing now.
There is very little reason to believe that the Lumia 900 will not get Apollo. It would go against the microsoft plan and all the hard work Nokia put into this phone. But if you are looking at it from a handset offering (rumoured dual cores) when Apollo launches then if you can wait then wait. I am waiting for Ivy Bridge + Kepler (but giving Trinity a look just for due diligence).
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Its more of a question of upgrading now(Lumia 900) or waiting for an apollo device. And everyone mentions upgraded processors or dual core but for what purpose?
What are we expecting Apollo to have that will quantify having that kind of neccesary upgrade? I am not sure if the Lumia will get the upgrade( most likely will) but I suppose the question is other than resolution what killer feature would it be missing?

Well to wait or not to wait depends solely on if you can or cannot. Also is the Lumia 900 missing something that you need, and may be offered in a next gen phone?
The Lumia 900 is good enough for me now. FFC, 4.3" screen. I do not need a dual core or NFC or 1080p or bigger storage. The only thing I would need would be more apps and features.
It is reasonable to assume the Lumia 900 will get Apollo.
It is reasonable to assume Windows Phone will bring multicore phones to the table.

wait for apollo

When it comes to appollo it would not be just an OS upgrade
Appollo has three features which would radically change the phones released for it.
1) It would allow for external storage so you can expect the phones to be having removable sd cards
2) HD screens (I am sure the appollo version phones from samsung and nokia will blow the retina display apart)
3) Dual core CPU. WP7 runs fine with the current CPU but dual core is just making it more bad ass
But if I were you I would go for a 900/800 now and once appollo phones come start think of my second phone (Nov end is a long wait)

Go for one now
I see that you like the WP7 OS, otherwise you wouldnt be that unsure if buying it now or later.
So its pretty close that you go for one now, and most possibly upgrade it officially, otherwise the hackers and modders here will make it possible then

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When it comes to appollo it would not be just an OS upgrade
Appollo has three features which would radically change the phones released for it.
1) It would allow for external storage so you can expect the phones to be having removable sd cards
2) HD screens (I am sure the appollo version phones from samsung and nokia will blow the retina display apart)
3) Dual core CPU. WP7 runs fine with the current CPU but dual core is just making it more bad ass
But if I were you I would go for a 900/800 now and once appollo phones come start think of my second phone (Nov end is a long wait)
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This has to be the most complete answer I have seen yet!! Thanks for your input and showing the reasoning behind it.
I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion and this will most likely be my plan of attack.
Quick question for you or anyone else while I have your ear. Has anyone seen the gloss white 900/800? And if you have what are your impressions if it's durability compared to the matte?
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shamreez said:
When it comes to appollo it would not be just an OS upgrade
Appollo has three features which would radically change the phones released for it.
1) It would allow for external storage so you can expect the phones to be having removable sd cards
2) HD screens (I am sure the appollo version phones from samsung and nokia will blow the retina display apart)
3) Dual core CPU. WP7 runs fine with the current CPU but dual core is just making it more bad ass
But if I were you I would go for a 900/800 now and once appollo phones come start think of my second phone (Nov end is a long wait)
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I am assuming these 'three features' are purely based on rumours and your own speculation right?
There isn't even enough info about the Tango devices yet, I doubt all these has ever been said anywhere from any official or trust worthy sources. Learning lessons from how everything was copied easily in iOS 5 and Ice Cream Sandwich after Mango developer previews, Microsoft has so far done a good job to keep Apollo very very close to their hearts. I would love Microsoft to not say a word or even bother to release a developer preview until 1 day before the launch, if they really feel desperate. So, if these are not rumours or speculations, links please

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IOS or WP7?

Im using 3GS right now and will either upgrade to a WP or IP4/5, I am sick of Android feeling like its still in a beta stage and freezing, closing apps, lagging no matter what phone. Anyway back when I used the focus the UI was amazing! But it was missing features...IOS is great! Time for some new features though imo, has WP7 been upgraded to more features? And how long will those updates last for the current WP's? What in your opinion is the best WP? And ultimatly what do you think is better? Hopefully Apple announces what IOS5 will be like. I really like WP7 but it felt like it needed time to get more features and some Apps were not optimized properly(ebay) but wow! That os is like butter! If it keeps getting features I may have to go WP! Especially if IOS5 is the same old, But for now I guess I gotta stay IOS.
maybe you should wait until fall or september,then both iphone 4s and major updates for WP7 are released,that time you can make a better comparison.which phone to buy...
The Fall Update to WP is a pretty big one, and new hardware will come out with it so I'd wait. The OS as it is, is to me the best designed out there, and the features people have been aching for are almost all coming with Mango (the fall OS update). Its going to be pretty nice, but ultimately up to you what you like most.
you've already pointed out that ios is complete and mature, try a friends phone around christmas and see if wp7 updates are all they're claimed to be...
the iPhone/iOS really is matured. You know where the saying comes from "There is an app for that".
I am still missing a lot of apps I was using on the iPhone, which are not (yet) available for WP7. But I really like the look of feel of WP7.
Wait for Mango if you like simplified device working more or less without any trouble
and you don't miss some basics. The UI is consistent and very easy.
For more sophisticated and better equipped device look somwhere else.
doministry said:
Wait for Mango if you like simplified device working more or less without any trouble
and you don't miss some basics. The UI is consistent and very easy.
For more sophisticated and better equipped device look somwhere else.
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IMO the UI on Wp7 blows iOS out of the water. It's simple yet still highly functional. I keep making my older and less technical users go to WP7 devices. They all seem to love it and I see them on their phones all the time - I'm sure their productivity is tanking lol.
Ignorance is Bliss, as they say.
But I'd wait until Mango and IP5 is our and make a more informed decision.
Right now WP7 can't hold a candle to iOS, but the update will be big. Unfortunately it's months off so you'll have to use a phone that has 30+% less functionality than your 3GS and many showstoppers (and lack of Apps) if you upgrade NOW.
I'd wait.
Wait for iPhone4S/5 and WP7 Mango update, and then decide. You might look into Samsung Galaxy SII as well, it's very fast. Maybe more device coming out with Dualcore/Quadcore that improves Android. WP7 is still in beta stage imho.
I've been using wp7 since October when I replaced my 3gs, and I've missed nothing so far.and that's been very honest, the thing is all I use to use on the iPhone was Facebook eBay satnav n a few more apps so the 300k appstore didn't matter to me. You've gotta think about the features and apps u need. Upgrading to wp7 guarantee u mango update regardless of the handset you choose.
Wp7 Focus
wp7 for sure, the metro UI is amazing.
I just bought a WP& phone, will post what i think of it, just hope the app market kicks off and MS add more functionality and that it becomes moddable
opti7 said:
I just bought a WP& phone, will post what i think of it, just hope the app market kicks off and MS add more functionality and that it becomes moddable
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Functionality is more than coming:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084161
Marketplace is already pretty good considering dev's cant create certain apps yet (Mango SDK will have all the 1500+ API's available, many of which will be used to create these lacking apps).
If you are looking for heavy modification, it may not be the platform for you, but people will definitely be modding it. Just not the extent WM & Android users are probably used to.
I went with the iPhone4, Im still gonna wait and see how WP7 goes and see what Apple does with IOS5, then I can make my Dec with what I want, but Ive heard from a lot of news sources that WP7 is doing pretty bad in sales and that its really not catching on at all, hopefully it dosnt go the way of the Kin phones...
As some have already said, I would probably wait for the Mango update and iPhone 5 before making the decision. I got a WP7 and I really enjoy it, but I think to make a fair choice, you should wait to pick between the two.
solidkevin said:
I went with the iPhone4, Im still gonna wait and see how WP7 goes and see what Apple does with IOS5, then I can make my Dec with what I want, but Ive heard from a lot of news sources that WP7 is doing pretty bad in sales and that its really not catching on at all, hopefully it dosnt go the way of the Kin phones...
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Actually sales of wp7 from start till now are better then sales of iphone when it came out for same amount of time + soon nokia will arrive with their wp7 phones and wp7 is gonna blow the market
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Actually sales of wp7 from start till now are better then sales of iphone when it came out for same amount of time + soon nokia will arrive with their wp7 phones and wp7 is gonna blow the market
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Nokia phones in 2012 which is dumb imo, why not get it rolling out as quickly as possible?
solidkevin said:
Nokia phones in 2012 which is dumb imo, why not get it rolling out as quickly as possible?
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They are doing it as quickly as possible. Its a major change at Nokia, it doesn't happen overnight. Nokia is planning for a late 2011 release of their first phone(s), and they are planning a whopping 12 devices (rumored so far) in 2012 running wp7 (including a dual core N8 version with a 12MP high optics camera). They will be using both qualcomm chips and SE dual core chips according to forbes.
http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwo...bes.com: Technology News)&utm_content=Twitter
There will also be some pretty nice second gen phones from Samsung, HTC, LG ect so people should have quite a few nice ones to choose from.
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They are doing it as quickly as possible. Its a major change at Nokia, it doesn't happen overnight. Nokia is planning for a late 2011 release of their first phone(s), and they are planning a whopping 12 devices (rumored so far) in 2012 running wp7 (including a dual core N8 version with a 12MP high optics camera). They will be using both qualcomm chips and SE dual core chips according to forbes.
http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwo...bes.com: Technology News)&utm_content=Twitter
There will also be some pretty nice second gen phones from Samsung, HTC, LG ect so people should have quite a few nice ones to choose from.
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If the OS is up to par with IOS in terms of features and Apps by the time Nokias phone comes, thats my next phone, Nokia=Fantastic hardware+Camera, Crap Symbian...

[Q] Buy now or wait

I am planning to buy hd7s should I buy now or wait for new devices with better hardware
Thanks in advance
I think it's a good time to buy a wp7, mango comming out (soon) And new hardware hmmmmm I think there will be some phones with a qwerty keyboard but thats it no big hardware upgrades
better wait
IMO, it is better to wait until mango comes out and some more phones with better hardware. Though WP7 is good enough, it is still yet to get so many features. Being Mango the biggest update, we need to see how much level , does it take the OS. And regarding hardware, all WP phones are just as per minimum hardware requirements by MS and no phone yet which makes you say WOW.
I own focus now and i do like it.
Currently my plan is to wait until Mango and possibly any new phones and take the call b/w a WP7 and iPhone 5.
neitin said:
I am planning to buy hd7s should I buy now or wait for new devices with better hardware
Thanks in advance
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Will it support 3G in India? Nokia has plans for WP7 in India. I will say wait and see what they have to offer.
It is good to wait...most probably the new mango device will be come out during september or october,by ZTE....if you want go for nokia,you may have to wait until end of this year...
I'm pretty sure new devices will have a big difference with current devices,don't ever buy the device now,because they still using qualcomm 1st gen 1ghz snapdragon processor.
Furthermore,new devices most probably will be equipped with front facing camera,Gyroscope,better processor,better camera,higher ram,better screen and etc...so it is good to wait since it is not too long from now.
Don't choose the way like me,feel regret to be the first adopter of WP7,software flaws can be fixed...but hardware never...think twice
You can always wait my friend, there'll be always new better hardware.
but now, (at least here in europe) WP7 is an epic fail, and they are cleaning the stocks of WP7 phones. I got mine operator free (LG) for 199€ some months ago, it was more than 400€ worth, some had something like 640€ price (maybe due the 16gb storage). I wanted the Trophy for 149€, but it was actually out of stock.
Maybe they got remplaced by some new Android Galaxys clones.
If you wait until mango, maybe the prices will rise again (althoug I don't think so)
I read somewere that the WP7 operating system doesn't support dual core.
If its right, than I think there won't be better hardware until WP8 or Windows 8
If you buy right now a tegra phone, maybe you'll regret it, because news are coming, with 3DS-like screens, higher res displays, Windows 8 based phones and on and on...
You'll wait forever.
The only thing to do, is what I did, get a WP7 as cheap as possible, and hope that mango will bring some new features, and that our phone will be W8 upgradable...
yea,somehow agree with you...buy the phone as cheap as possible...because you might just want to try out the whole new OS,but it does not means it works perfectly for you.
Remember,is buy the phone at a cheap price,not sign a f**king cheap contract,never sign a contract.
If you want something last long,I reckon samsung galaxy s 2,its product life at least 1 or 2 years.Just like galaxy s
don't wait
buy an android I was once a windows mobile guy, android is better and there is more device to pick from. Microsoft mess up big time with this one.
thanks
Thanks everyone for your replies I think it makes sense to wait till September
What Im doing is getting a new contract and getting S 2 then im going to sell it when nokia releases their wp7 device and buy it pay as you go. I make actully make money if my contract is cheap. However I like to change my device every few months.
Saved me from asking the same question. My contract has just run out and I have switched to a sim only deal. Still very happy with my Hd2.
I so badly wanted the HD7 bu have now decided to wait until I see what happens over next few months Instead of getting bogged down with a long contract now.

[Q] Buying advice: Nokia N9, Lumia 800 - or SGSII?

Hi all,
here's a question I've been pondering for a few weeks, and I'd like to hear your opinions:
Should I get a Nokia N9, a Lumia 800 - or a Samsung Galaxy S II?
Now I'm aware that we're talking about 3 entirely different concepts here. I'm aware that Meego is having a near-death experience, that WinPhone maybe "isn't there yet" and I know about the pros and cons of Android too.
I don't need the thousands of apps in the Android Market (uh, Google Play). What I need on a daily basis is strong, 100% reliable Outlook/Exchange support, and SMS/MMS. The rest is optional (though I wouldn't mind a reasonable SatNav).
So the choice is probably more a question of philosophy.
I admire the hardware of the N9. I like its "always on" screensaver clock and the minimalist UI. WinPhone on the Lumia 800 would mean compromising on design in exchange for a wider app ecosystem and long-term support.
The SGSII, to my mind at least, is much less elegant, and Android... I'm not sure I like it. True, it would offer the greatest flexiblility, but tbh the UI in ICS is getting on my nerve.
Ah, decisions ...
Any suggestions on the "philosophies" point much apprreciated!
(just let me say once more that I'm fully aware of the specs - so no need for additional info there. Just let me know what you think, or what you'd do)
Ta!
N.
I would go Nokia Lumia 900. Have an android and hate the fact that I am at the mercy of carriers to get updates to the OS. Most apps are useless in the market I have 50 installed but use only 5-6 for anything. W7P has a beautiful functional interface (gifted it to my sister) and helps u get stuff done rather than making u waste time with complications.
Planning to go W7P route soon as the contract ends.
Look up its review on zdnet for business users
Samsung galaxy s2 is best among your list.N9 hardware is k..but think about os.that's running on meego and development on that phone is stopped.lumia is good phone running on w7 but the problem with that phone is the applications are very less for windows but i admire the nokia's hardware..
Take the sg2.it is the best performance phone in Android and having lot of devolopes in that you can check in xda..in my opinion it will be the best phone for you...
Xperian using xda app
Hi all,
many thanks for your thoughts!
Really can't decide atm. Guess I'll wait another month or so (for prices to drop) and then just order all three of them and see which suits me best. Will keep you posted!
Nightcookie said:
Hi all,
many thanks for your thoughts!
Really can't decide atm. Guess I'll wait another month or so (for prices to drop) and then just order all three of them and see which suits me best. Will keep you posted!
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If you want extreme hackability/versatility go the N9, followed closely by the SGSII.*
If the N9's not officially available in your country, I'd say the SGSII "just" edges it out.
If you want something that "just works" & is always stable/snappy but quite dull (I don't mean UI-wise) get the 800.
As for outlook/exchange support, on N9 it's pretty solid (WP7x would be better I imagine, still waiting for my L800**)
There's several very insightful threads you need to read at talk.maemo.org to get the full picture.
Have a search & if you still need some pointers to specific ones I may be able to dig-them-up later.
SatNav is excellent on the N9....
At this point it's actually slightly more feature-packed than the Lumia phones.
Although 6mth+ from now that probably won't be the case w/ND 3.0 etc.
But it will still remain very competent well into the future.
SMS/MMS support works well too, nicely integrated into the contacts system etc.
I personally think the L800 is slightly better overall than the 900.
Sure there's no FFC, it doesn't have LTE, & no CAT14 HSDPA.
But that's it really, the 900's screen isn't really hugely better, it really depends on the use.
In fact, in RWT's for most use cases, I would personally pick the L800's higher PPI screen.
If you're doing lots of reading of small text (esp. for certain text/background color combos).
That's really the only area the 900 will outshine the 800 screen-wise.
The L800's design/aesthetic & build quality is def. slightly better (& the N9's even better).
Support is not as big an issue for the N9 as some make it out to be
It's been way above industry standard for the past 6mth & will remain at standard (at least) for at least another 6.
Beyond that there'll still be regular minor updates for perf/security/stability/usability (Nokia does it like no other) till 2015.
Plus there's the amazing Maemo community that's always rallied behind Nokia Linux-based devices over the yrs.
I've also not found that I'm missing any apps except for games, if you're a heavy gamer you may get bored.
But there's also some amazing emulation software that you just can't get on WP or even stock Android.
Some of the apps are truly unique, simply because of the lower-level access/permission they have.
I'm not subscribed to this thread (busy), so any further -more specific- questions feel free to PM me.
*but dude, you may as well wait for the SGSIII, it'll be announced very soon!
**I've played a fair bit with relatives/friends WP's, & read a truck-load about it.

Help with my decision

Hello guys
I have quite a dilemma right now. Im seriously thinking about buying Lumia 900 when it will be avalible in Europe. I Love the looks, love Nokia brand, love the Windows Phone..amazing phone BUT i was thinking. Since the Lumia 900 is only a single core phone (I dont care bout hw specs, since WP is working fast as hell) and the Windows 8 or Apollo ? is behind the door with the multi-core support im really worried about the update of the Lumia 900. What do you guys think ? Will the Lumia 900 get the Windows Apollo update or NOT ?
Its quite (HELL expensive) expensive phone i dont want to buy it and get it outdated in 6 months, with no chance of updating to amazing Apollo.
Your opinions ? Should i buy or should i wait ? :/
Thanks
Since nobody here works for Microsoft (however MS employees already signed a very strong NDA, so they are more silent than regular members ) nobody can tell you exactly how amazing Apollo will be, what handsets will receive that update etc. Only rumors and baseless assumptions.
Lumia 900 is a very good phone, so if you can afford it - buy it As for "outdated in 6 month" - it's just a current trend; manufacturers releasing new stuff every half a year; so it's not a WP specific problem. But you never be able to get a "lifetime" device; there is no such a thing.
I see no reason to suspect that current phones, especially gen2 phones, and particularly the gen2 flagship phone (Lumia 900) won't continue getting updates. This isn't Android, here. In fact, Microsoft have said they're requiring that phones be supported for some time. All current phone, including the gen 1.0 models (now 1.5 years old) are getting Tango. I wouldn't be worried.
Now, AT&T might try and screw you over with late updates and such... they have a well-deserved reputation for that kind of thing, and despite Microsoft's efforts they managed to delay some of the WP7 updates by months. Eventually, though, the updates still go out.

[Q] Lumia 710 or Sony Xperia U

I'd been using a Nokia 5233 (hmph!) for the past 2 years, and its time i considered an upgrade.
Once the Lumia's were out, i kind of fell in love with WP. The non stuttering UI seemed awesome to me. And, i'd promised(breakable ) that the Lumia 710 would be my next phone.
But, it was after being a member here that i came to know the shortcomings of WP. You really can't download a music file, can we? And, heard that the Lumia 710 got a pathetic battery life.
So, i was forced to look elsewhere. That's when the Xperia U caught my attention. It got some Novathor 1 ghz dual core processor, and cute design. And the colour changing transparent bar felt like a deal breaker to me. Being in the Nxt series, Sony has promised an ICS update(Sweet!). Well, now, i'm in a dilemma.
Can any WP user out there, comment and help me choose my upgrade?
Well, downloading music through the store works just fine. Downloading music through the web browser will let the music be played, but it doesn't seem to let you save it to the media library. I'm sure it's possible with homebrew... eventually, when somebody gets around to writing it.
I can't speak to the battery life of the 710 specifically, or even the Lumias in general, but I know Nokia has been releasing firmware updates that address the poor battery life the lumias had originally. I don't know how far they can take that, but it's profress. Also bear in mind that Android is hardly a battery-sipping OS either.
There's also the minor fact that Sony, even Sony-Ericson, is a company I will never buy anything from, on account of the horrible way they treat their customers and the industry as a whole (rootkits on audio CDs, retroactively removing console features, etc.) So, I would never recommend them... there's lots of other phone OEMs if you don't want to go with Nokia.
Thanks for your valuable words.
So, if one requires a song, he's supposed to buy it from the store, eh? I wouldn't mind.
And yeah, i've heard about the Droids' battery draining powers . But, when i googled, i never found anyone mentioning battery drains from Xperia U.
I guess you're indirectly asking me to stick with the Lumia, right? Let me see... I guess Microsoft would preview their WP8 tomorrow.
Waiting for the day...
It's totally up to you. But, you asked for advice, and that's what you got!
As a side note, the Lumia 710 is a good choice if you want a device you can modify or hack on. It's possible to very easily unlock its bootloader so you can install custom ROMs, with extra features and fewer restrictions.
In addition to music from the store, you can also listed to the radio (all Windows phones have FM receivers) and you can use apps (there are lots of apps that provides access to streaming music, for example). Also, that's just ways to get music on the phone without using the PC. HOwever, when you sync the phone to the PC, you can send music to it from the Zune software, which will then be available to play on the phone.
We're all waiting to hear about WP8. Don't know if it'll be tomorrow or not, but we can hope...
Sony........Never again
Hi babu.rajiv2007,
I would agree with GoodDayToDie and will also never buy anything from Sony ever again. In The past they have been underhand with their contractual obligations to their customers and after the initial sale has them your money i would wish you or anyone else the very best of luck with their aftercare, updates, RMA policies etc...etc...etc.......(very bad taste left after owning an X1, took almost 9 months and 5 returns of that handset to have them recall the chassis and admit that it wasnt my fault) I am also of the opinion that Sony is trading off a name that they made for themselves many years ago regarding quality of their products and services and that in this day and age they will (hopefully) not last much longer.
Anyway, in my personal opinion i would go for the Nokia. The OS is splendid (of course) and the handset is really well put together, not that i would try to put you off the Android option, I would advise that you take one for a 30 day cool down period and put yourself off it.....it didnt take me long to see that there is indeed a difference between the two.
I'm running a custom ROM atm and can tell you that the homebrew scene is very much alive with the WP7 O/S, there are several apps that will allow you to do what you like regarding music.
Hope this helps (still i say try both, but hell no to Sony)
Creamy
I don't know if you remember me. I had almost bought a Lumia710 but returned it as I found its display to be horrible and quite different from demo models. After it, I considered buying Xperia U too. But two of my friends own Sony Androids (Xperia X8 and Xperia X10 respectively) and they swear that they will never buy a Sony again and strongly advise me to stay away too. Because Sony never bothers to update their phones.
However it is most certain Xperia U will be upgraded to ICS (though no 100% guarantee). I have used a real Xperia U (not the demo model). It was fine though it it didn't feel as nice to use as a WP7 device or even a Samsung Galaxy S2. Main reason being uninspiring UI and the dim LED back-lit LCD. The display feels like a candle when compared to S-LCD and AMOLED based displays. Camera is definitely awesome. The phone does feel fast but not as fluid as a WP7. Its UI lacks the wow factor which makes me love my WP7. Heck, it doesn't feel as nice as my friend's Galaxy S2.
Confused, I've decided to postpone my purchase for another two-three week. I see that newer devices are coming in Indian market. One example is HTC Desire C. Please note that it is a 600MHz phone but runs on ARM v7 and hence should be as good as 1GHz ARM v6 devices or even better. This signals that newer ARM devices are coming within two weeks. And hence I've decided to wait and watch since I don't want to get stuck with ARM v6 devices.
Last but not least, I'm also eagerly waiting for WP8 announcement
babu.rajiv2007 said:
Thanks for your valuable words.
So, if one requires a song, he's supposed to buy it from the store, eh? I wouldn't mind.
And yeah, i've heard about the Droids' battery draining powers . But, when i googled, i never found anyone mentioning battery drains from Xperia U.
I guess you're indirectly asking me to stick with the Lumia, right? Let me see... I guess Microsoft would preview their WP8 tomorrow.
Waiting for the day...
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Better wait for Windows Phone 8 release and see what it offers if you want to buy songs directly from the store. Because downloading songs requires a ZunePass and as far as I know, India is not one of the supported countries for Zunepass. I would be happy if I am proven wrong though.
You can always transfer songs from your PC to phone through Zune though.
Thanks a lot, guys.
So, that helps me let go of Xperia U. Whew! What a headache it made
daAppu said:
I don't know if you remember me.
Confused, I've decided to postpone my purchase for another two-three week. I see that newer devices are coming in Indian market. One example is HTC Desire C. Please note that it is a 600MHz phone but runs on ARM v7 and hence should be as good as 1GHz ARM v6 devices or even better. This signals that newer ARM devices are coming within two weeks. And hence I've decided to wait and watch since I don't want to get stuck with ARM v6 devices.
Last but not least, I'm also eagerly waiting for WP8 announcement
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Of course. I do remember you.
And 600 Mhz? You sure it'd be a good deal? I've seen the One V lag. For the droids, will it be enough?
Tell me, what do you think of HTC One V. Not that i've considered it, but, seems to fall under my price range.
About WP8, i won't be willing to wait for more than a month. My choice would solely be based on tomorrow. Can't wait!
I think Xperia the best cause Lumia very slownly I think that
@chaitanya91845: You do not need a Zune Pass in order to buy music from the store. Zune Pass is only needed for streaming full songs. The old Zune Pass would give you 10 credits a month toward buying songs, but the song buying is independent of Zune Pass.
With that said, it's possible that Microsoft's licensing with the music labels don't allow them to sell music in India at all. I haven't tried. One easy way to tell would be to download the free Zune software (http://zune.net), sign in with your Windows Live account, go to the Marketplace, and see if you can buy songs (most are about $1 US, and are MP3s so you can play them in anything). If that works, it should be fine on the phone too.
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@chaitanya91845: You do not need a Zune Pass in order to buy music from the store. Zune Pass is only needed for streaming full songs. The old Zune Pass would give you 10 credits a month toward buying songs, but the song buying is independent of Zune Pass.
With that said, it's possible that Microsoft's licensing with the music labels don't allow them to sell music in India at all. I haven't tried. One easy way to tell would be to download the free Zune software (http://zune.net), sign in with your Windows Live account, go to the Marketplace, and see if you can buy songs (most are about $1 US, and are MP3s so you can play them in anything). If that works, it should be fine on the phone too.
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OMG. And I was under the impression that you need a ZunePass to purchase songs from the store. Almost a year, and I still dont know some basic stuff!!
But yes, if you download Zune and login, the music(in marketplace)/social sections used to disappear if my Control Panel "Location" settings were set to India. And if you change Location settings to USA, then you will require a US credit card to purchase.
So probably not possible to buy songs as of now.
Xperia U will get you Android 4, Lumia won't get you Windows Phone 8. Go Xperia for now.
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Xperia U will get you Android 4, Lumia won't get you Windows Phone 8. Go Xperia for now.
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Hm... Microsoft's announcement made me reconsider my decision... Damn!
I bet the developer's would start using native code for developing apps, and older devices WON'T support those apps
I'm sad not because of WP8(i'd be happy with 7.8), but, the low availability of apps once WP8 enters the scene is displeasing.
Now choosing a new phone is really confusing! Unless some awesome features are revealed about WP 7.8 and if WP7 device prices crash to sub-10,000 Indian Rupees, I certainly don't want a WP7 device now.
I honestly have no idea which's better- 1GHz ARM v6 Android vs 600MHz v7 Android. Having owned a smooth and fluid WP device for over a year, I certainly don't want a lagging phone for my sister.
The choices are vastly split-
1. Single core v6 1GHz Android (like One V, running ICS)
2. Single core v7 600MHz Android (like Desire C, running ICS)
3. Dual core v6 Xperia U (might not get ICS)
4. WP7 device (least chance of buying it).
I honestly have no idea which phone to choose
@daAppu
I'd advice against a WP7 device now. It just don't make sense going for one, now. Once WP8 devices enters the scene, the scenario might change.
About your processor doubts, i'd recommend you to post at the Android Q&A section. They might be a bit experienced. But, what i think is that those devices would be under powered. The Xperia U now, starts to make more sense to me.
But, i'm sad.
Xperia U Android 4, Lumia never Windows Phone 8, Microsoft Down. Go Xperia.
Did MS actually state that WP8 apps wouldn't work on WP7.8? The impression I got was that 7.8 was basically WP8-without-the-new-hardware-features. For example, there's no reason that native code can't be used on WP7.x (most homebrew apps, and even a few Marketplace apps, already use native code, in fact). It is possible that the native code API for WP7.X and WP8 will be incompatible, though. This would be mildly stupid of Microsoft, but eh, what else is new? They do seem to have an incredible talent for releasing excellent products and then botching them up horribly...
Microsoft did announce it indirectly...
No doubt the developers would use native code, and according to what i read at wpcentral, older devices won't support it.
Anyway, just watched the video of the new tiles... Kinda cool. But, it doesn't make sense sticking to a WP7 device. And, i'm not willing to wait for a WP8 device(i guess it come by December).
I guess i'll move along with the pack, stick with droid :\
Regardless of whether apps will still come to WP7 or not, I'm also not interested in buying a WP7 right now.
But wait, we're not alone. No one is gonna buy WP7 also. We can easily bet that there are thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of WP7 devices already manufactured but unsold. So this opens a possibility that WP7 devices will be sold at half the original price or even less. Don't believe me? I bought my BB Playbook for only INR 13,000!
So this opens two choices for us-
1. A really nice WP7 like Lumia 800 for price of INR 10,000. I'm talking about a brand new one, not second hand.
2. A 600MHz ARM v7 Android phone for INR 15,000 or 1GHz ARM v7 Android phone for INR 19,000.
That's why I didn't completely ruled out WP7 in my last post. I really can't decide a phone quickly. Heart says go for an Android now. Head says "Wait and watch for 2 more weeks, you stupid compulsive buyer!"

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