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I have a thread below about non-rooted methods of utilizing ad-hoc wifi connections on the Xoom. Just for shiggles, I decided to call Motorlola tech support to see what they said.
To make a long story short, after nearly 30 minutes of multiple holds, the Level 2 support agent I spoke with passed me off by saing, "I don't see anything in my resources regarding ad-hoc. You will need to contact ad-hoc and ask them for assistance."
Anybody have ad-hoc's phone number? I lost my copy...
ha..
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Apparently level 2 ain't so bright either...oh well I couldn't possibly loose any more faith in humanity.
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Seems there is enough similarities of the phones, if not Exact....that the threads could be combined.
The reason I think it is critical to combine is that it becomes a hassle to check each thread to see what is good info...we have double postings essentially having two groups talking and solving the same problems.
I even have to post this poll in two places, for the exact same hardware, under the same logic as two categories, we would need a new group for each custom ROM.
dude that would cause chaos did u see where the one guy didnt see this one download was specifically for the g2x n flashed it n it ended up being for the o2x he was stuck with the wrong baseband basically ****ed it would be to much confusion especially with the new people who frequent this site
No, like it has been mentioned, these aren't the same exact phones, it's just not roms and flashing but lots of mods and apps and workarounds that are different for both phones.
Also, I am willing to bet that the majority of G2X users are Americans on T-Mobile's network, which means we have our own set of network and carrier issues to deal with.
The lines need to be established just to make sure a new owner or casual user doesn't mess up their $600 plus phone.
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Yea...if the g2x had been running the same exact software as O2x...then yea otherwise you'll get all confused and have a $500 LG paperweight
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Seems there is enough similarities of the phones, if not Exact....that the threads could be combined.
The reason I think it is critical to combine is that it becomes a hassle to check each thread to see what is good info...we have double postings essentially having two groups talking and solving the same problems.
I even have to post this poll in two places, for the exact same hardware, under the same logic as two categories, we would need a new group for each custom ROM.
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As I am the person the requested and got the g2x its own forum before the phone was released... I'd advise against this as they are not even close to the same phone.... go flash a pure i9000 rom to your vibrant see what happens
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Just go look at the mess that is the G2/Desire Z forum and you'll understand what will happen. And those phones are MUCH more alike than ours.
It has recently come to my attention that a few people are upset at the actions I took to get the threads closed which told you how to change your IMEI number.
The way I understand it is that Changing your IMEI is illegal in most countries. So I asked a mod if this knid of thing was allowed on XDA developers. The moderation team closed the thread, not me. They decided it was not suitable.
So I'm curious to know what the general opinion on this matter is.
And rather than me receive PM's from people making personal attacks I thought it would be better to discuss in public.
Please let me know your thoughts
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It has recently come to my attention that a few people are upset at the actions I took to get the threads closed which told you how to change your IMEI number.
The way I understand it is that Changing your IMEI is illegal in most countries. So I asked a mod if this knid of thing was allowed on XDA developers. The moderation team closed the thread, not me. They decided it was not suitable.
So I'm curious to know what the general opinion on this matter is.
And rather than me receive PM's from people making personal attacks I thought it would be better to discuss in public.
Please let me know your thoughts
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Share the trick dude!
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Share the trick dude!
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You are asking Cjward to participate in an illegal activity.
IMEIs allows phones to be rendered useless if the phone is reported stolen. Sharing "the trick" of changing IMEIs not only promotes theft of Android phones, but it is illegal in some countries.It would allow the possibility of getting XDA in trouble if such information was posted here and we don't want that.
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It has recently come to my attention that a few people are upset at the actions I took to get the threads closed which told you how to change your IMEI number.
The way I understand it is that Changing your IMEI is illegal in most countries. So I asked a mod if this knid of thing was allowed on XDA developers. The moderation team closed the thread, not me. They decided it was not suitable.
So I'm curious to know what the general opinion on this matter is.
And rather than me receive PM's from people making personal attacks I thought it would be better to discuss in public.
Please let me know your thoughts
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I guess one of those people would be me. It was not meant as a personal attack. I'll just repost what I said before on another thread so there are no confisions:
Some guy thread about imei unlocking got closed and locked in the general section. This has nothing to do with this rom, but i can't reply there. So here are my thoughts.
The action may be ilegal, but the information itself isn't. You are ultimately responsible for what you do with it.
There are lots of examples throughout History about information limiting for "the good of the people". Usually ends up with book burning.
Another example: I'm pretty sure that in my country it's illegal to record calls without the consent of the other party. The should I take out 2 way call recording from the kernel, and should xda delete all info on this site on how to do it?
What about the google apps we all include in our custom roms? There's a reason CM7 does not include them. It's illegal. Should xda remove all threads and roms that do not comply?
I'm sorry for the rambling, but i enjoy my freedom, and selfrighteous actions like these make my blood go hot.
Peace
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After this there were more examples on illegal stuff we do around here. If anyone actually reads the HTC terms of service, pretty much everything we do with sense roms is illegal. The point is, information should not be limited. Here's a drastic example:
The best way to kill someone fast: shoot him on the head.
Am I condoning murder? Will that line be edited bi mods?
Ridiculous example of course, but the line of reasoning is the same.
Peace.
This is not meant to start a flame war, or pose as a personal attack on anyone.
@lowveld
It wasn't you, I received 2 PM's and one of them wasn't very nice.
I'm very intrested to see what the general consensus is on this matter.
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There are quite a few of examples there. Some that are irrelevant, some that you are right (HTC example), but since HTC has not acted on XDA, and most likely have used developer's fixes I assume they are fine with it because they are not making a profit and it is beneficial to them. As for the call recorder one...Well you could just use it legally...I mean I can't see how changing your IMEI is legal in any way.
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There are quite a few of examples there. Some that are irrelevant, some that you are right (HTC example), but since HTC has not acted on XDA, and most likely has used developer's fixes I assume they are fine with it. As for the call recorder one...Well you could just use it legally...I mean I can't see how changing your IMEI is legal in any way.
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I would also like to know what effort someone could get from in it legal matters.
When I understand it the right way there is none except the possibility to mask a stolen phone.
Swyped from my Desire S
Don't You think that knowledge of how to do such a "trick" can encourage theft and sale/use of stolen goods? It's like sharing info about how to steal a car and what to do next to make it "legal" again for further sale.
You guys must be really thick to refuse to understand that:
1. It is illegal
2. Wast majority of our community is against it
3. This is xda developers, not xda thieves guild
Please provide links to laws cant find anything about it
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You are asking Cjward to participate in an illegal activity.
IMEIs allows phones to be rendered useless if the phone is reported stolen. Sharing "the trick" of changing IMEIs not only promotes theft of Android phones, but it is illegal in some countries.It would allow the possibility of getting XDA in trouble if such information was posted here and we don't want that.
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Cimer said:
There are quite a few of examples there. Some that are irrelevant, some that you are right (HTC example), but since HTC has not acted on XDA, and most likely have used developer's fixes I assume they are fine with it because they are not making a profit and it is beneficial to them. As for the call recorder one...Well you could just use it legally...I mean I can't see how changing your IMEI is legal in any way.
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A few years back I had a Asus P527, windows mobile device. Due to some flashing issues, me and a coupe of dozen other users ended up with the same (default) IMEI. At the time, a service provider from India threatened to cut out service to anyone in that situation. So I figured out how to change the IMEI in that situation, and all was well. But it was still illegal in strict definitions.
But the example is pointless, and the discussion is pointless if you're making points like "HTC has not acted" and "is most likely fine". That does not bear any impact whatsoever on the legality of the action.
And what you find "not relevant" was not meant as a actual real life example, but what in mathematics is referred as "reduction to absurdity". Apply the same set of rules to a different situation with the same premises, and you see the ridicule in the rules themselves.
Cheers
And I'm through with this. Peace.
Nothing more to say ..!!!
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A few years back I had a Asus P527, windows mobile device. Due to some flashing issues, me and a coupe of dozen other users ended up with the same (default) IMEI. At the time, a service provider from India threatened to cut out service to anyone in that situation. So I figured out how to change the IMEI in that situation, and all was well. But it was still illegal in strict definitions.
But the example is pointless, and the discussion is pointless if you're making points like "HTC has not acted" and "is most likely fine". That does not bear any impact whatsoever on the legality of the action.
And what you find "not relevant" was not meant as a actual real life example, but what in mathematics is referred as "reduction to absurdity". Apply the same set of rules to a different situation with the same premises, and you see the ridicule in the rules themselves.
Cheers
And I'm through with this. Peace.
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Just mind your own threads next time.
Destroyer
The trick is on my site PERMANENT
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hey, cjward did what he thought was correct. DON'T GO AGAINST HIM, JUST BECAUSE HE REPORTED SOMETHING HE FELT WAS WRONG. HE IS, IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, AT FAULT. Even though i feel that information should be shared without any problems, and brokenworm's thread shouldn't have been deleted, i feel sad that people are flaming cjward. I completely agree with lowveld.
Got to admit when I first saw this posted, I actually questioned to myself whether or not this would be useful or not.
Unfortunately the reasons I had come up with as to why this could be useful, were not in a lawful manner. I thought about this further, came up with the idea again except expanded but with more self-justification. I've given up on the idea in a whole.
Unfortunately I feel that the information should be there, but the associated information pertaining to the relevant law(s) and legal ramifications boldly displayed with what it obviously should and shouldn't be used for, should said distribution of information.
I have to disagree with the way brokenworm is going about this though, immature in the least.
Technically, good.
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Dont flame the proud policeman?
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hey, cjward did what he thought was correct. DON'T GO AGAINST HIM, JUST BECAUSE HE REPORTED SOMETHING HE FELT WAS WRONG. HE IS, IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, AT FAULT. Even though i feel that information should be shared without any problems, and brokenworm's thread shouldn't have been deleted, i feel sad that people are flaming cjward. I completely agree with lowveld.
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In my opinion I think it's bad ;( why? Becoz it's 1 of the unique information to identify who owns the phone by looking at the IMEI, so if a thief knows how to do this he can modify the IMEI so no one will know if the phone was stolen.
Just my little opinion peace!
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i have a question, probably noobish one but would apreciate any response. what is the benefit of changing the imei? why would we want/need to do it? i guess it's like changing the mac adress of a nic but in this case i know what the benefits are but do not find them relevant in the case of the imei. sorry for the question if it's not apropriate..
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i have a question, probably noobish one but would apreciate any response. what is the benefit of changing the imei? why would we want/need to do it? i guess it's like changing the mac adress of a nic but in this case i know what the benefits are but do not find them relevant in the case of the imei. sorry for the question if it's not apropriate..
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Unless you are a theif, drug dealer, pimp, fraudster, terrorist or politician you will probably never have a reason to change your phones IMEI number.
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cjward23 said:
Unless you are a theif, drug dealer, pimp, fraudster, terrorist or politician you will probably never have a reason to change your phones IMEI number.
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Thank you CJ. You hit rock bottom there. I actually considered you an even minded guy, but generalizations like that kind of prove me wrong.
Fu**, I even told you that I had done it before, so in what way is this not a personal attack? Care to tell me what you think I am? Thief? Rapist?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579741
Well I was bored so i started looking into profiles. I ran across Diabolic Jr profile and it said "Account currently disabled" after doing more digging i got it confirmed by a mod that he has been banned for "Specific Reasons". It only took forever.
Edit: looks like the lovely mods let him back in. Got hopes up for nothing. Thanks alot mods. Grrrrr
Sorry to sound stupid but who is this guy? I remember he posted a thread earlier saying something like "should I?" (assuming to come back to make more roms) and was garnered with hatred by alot of users.
He used to post alot of roms for this device lik 6 most were horrifying except like 2 plus he would complain about lack of gb or samsung support n trolled a little bit he moved on seemed kind of cocky typical 14 to 16 yearold im 15 myself he was a much better person prior to dec after that he turned rude
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Sorry to sound stupid but who is this guy? I remember he posted a thread earlier saying something like "should I?" (assuming to come back to make more roms) and was garnered with hatred by alot of users.
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He was the ultimate kang master. He stole alot of work from ayoteddy. Sduvick. Whitehawk. Etc etc. He would try to sound like he really knew his stuff. But at the end of the day he was just another typical kang master. When i found out he was FINALLY banned i jumped for joy. Lol.
Yea and he NEVER gave credit. Ever.
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What if he comes back under a new username? :O
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What if he comes back under a new username? :O
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Let him. They will just keep banning him. Im sure the mods can track ip addresses. Hes not the brightest cranyon in the box so i doubt he would be smart enough to change ip addresses.
Some kang r better than dev. Welcome to internet age ofc ip address always change.
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Some kang r better than dev. Welcome to internet age ofc ip address always change.
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That is true but only to a point. Wireless internet IE cable/broadband is always the same. Only if you change the modem does the ip address change. But if you are on a wireless network IE sprint verizon tmobile etc etc it is ever changing. However the gate ip address is always the same. Each state has its own gate ip address. The only way to change that is to move to another state.
sprint blackberry phones (and probably verizon too, since they are both cdma networks) have an option called enable static ip address, when enabled, it always shows your ip adress as 0000 etc etc. by now there are probably some android devices with this option. not to mention the fact that websites only record the ip adress you register with. all he had to do was register with a different ip address or a static ip address. hell, i have been banned from other forum sites and all i did was use a different email address. its not that hard to register with fake information.
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sprint blackberry phones (and probably verizon too, since they are both cdma networks) have an option called enable static ip address, when enabled, it always shows your ip adress as 0000 etc etc. by now there are probably some android devices with this option. not to mention the fact that websites only record the ip adress you register with. all he had to do was register with a different ip address or a static ip address. hell, i have been banned from other forum sites and all i did was use a different email address. its not that hard to register with fake information.
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True. But if people that have been banned attempt to use mobile device to by pass that xda can block remote access to sprint verizon tmobile etc etc there by rendering any registering from ip addresses belonging to said carriers not possible. Its very simple.
first, i doubt the mods can really block remote access to carriers ip addresses. second, even if they could, i doubt they would go to that much trouble just for this guy diabolic. they would also have to know it was him that was trying to do that, and unless they did it in the past, they have no record to go by. third, even if they did block him from using a static ip address, all he has to do then is go to the library. as i said before, they only record the ip address you register with. the library will obviously have a different ip address than his home computer. once he registers with a different ip address, he can log on through his home computer without being detected. it is really not that hard to get back into a website that you have been banned from. the mods arent going to go to a lot of trouble to keep him from coming back. whatever security measures this website has are most likely automated, as with most websites. its much more realistic to think that they will just ban him again if they catch him using this site.
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first, i doubt the mods can really block remote access to carriers ip addresses. second, even if they could, i doubt they would go to that much trouble just for this guy diabolic. they would also have to know it was him that was trying to do that, and unless they did it in the past, they have no record to go by. third, even if they did block him from using a static ip address, all he has to do then is go to the library. as i said before, they only record the ip address you register with. the library will obviously have a different ip address than his home computer. once he registers with a different ip address, he can log on through his home computer without being detected. it is really not that hard to get back into a website that you have been banned from. the mods arent going to go to a lot of trouble to keep him from coming back. whatever security measures this website has are most likely automated, as with most websites. its much more realistic to think that they will just ban him again if they catch him using this site.
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Well they do have the tools. My bud has tmobile and he attempted to create a xda username. Mid way thru the processor it blocked him saying "Tmobile Wireless Static IPs are not able to register with xda due to misuse". He was never an xda member to begin with. I lead him to root and roms but he had to use his wifi connection to register. Trust me. Xda does have the tools to block this stuff.
then why was i able to register on my phone without using wifi? you keep trying to argue this point. there are plenty of ways around being banned. this guy diabolic may not have been a genius, but i dont think he was an idiot. he is a developer, maybe not a good one, but im sure he knows something about computers. if he wants back on this site, i am sure he can find a way. you just keep acting like the mods are smart enough to catch him no matter what, and this site has the greatest security. ever heard of spoofing an ip address? several ways to do it and its not that hard. easier than spoofing a phone number. if you want to keep thinking this guy wont be able to come back no matter what, then keep thinking that. i choose to think realistically, so i know that if this guy wants to come back, he will find a way.
who cares if he comes back? its not going to be the end of the world.
thats my point exactly. this guy is acting like he is charles manson or something and everyone is on the lookout for him. smh.
He's back!
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You know what I'm going to admit that I'm 100% wrong for the things that I have done.
Ever since I have learned more I have gotten way more ahead and cocky with myself and other people and I changed after the ban I received.
- xtrem88 is right, prior to dec I turned rude.
- AndroidBotx is 100% wrong if you don't know the story please don't post I was not home and uploaded it from elsewhere but I finished the credits on the thread I have never ever kanged anything.
- AFAinHD I always give credit just forgot one time
I have something I have been working on since I was banned and will upload a preview, I'm sorry guys.
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You know what I'm going to admit that I'm 100% wrong for the things that I have done.
Ever since I have learned more I have gotten way more ahead and cocky with myself and other people and I changed after the ban I received.
- xtrem88 is right, prior to dec I turned rude.
- AndroidBotx is 100% wrong if you don't know the story please don't post I was not home and uploaded it from elsewhere but I finished the credits on the thread I have never ever kanged anything.
- AFAinHD I always give credit just forgot one time
I have something I have been working on since I was banned and will upload a preview, I'm sorry guys.
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How did you manage to get unbanned. That is pure bull **** on the mods part. Several great devs were banned for kanging work and here you are back. I am going to email the admin of xda. I do not know what is going on but someone somewhere screwed the pooch on letting you back. Absolutely speechless over the mods lack of ability to run this site.
It was a week ban for flaming, not for "kanging".
Email him he won't do anything..
I got banned for flaming a person because they flamed me and we both got banned.
If you look at all of my work it's never KANGED.
I always add my credits, the only thing that I was wrong for was not adding credit in one of my roms.
I even said sorry and your still acting like this, wow.
It's ridiculous that people are getting so bent out of shape about ciq! Google, Yahoo et al, have been not only tracking where you are, but where you LOOK!*I'm all for CIQ, look you can't complain about crappy cell / data services, if you won't let the carriers know what's going on! OR, do you want to be the one that has to call their tech support, every time the signal sucks??!
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How would you call them if you have no signal?
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How would you call them if you have no signal?
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I said, when your signal sucks.. NOT gone, besides you'd likely still have cell service. I even when you don't have data.
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Anyone that secretly runs anything that moves data off my device is not harmless. They deny it until they come up with some PR that makes it sounds benign and for my own good. I'm not bent out of shape, I simply say no based on their deceit. You can run it but I won't. What's the problem? Besides, this is ancient news so I don't know what you are getting so fed up about.
Why are we complaining about CIQ when it's been removed from phones with 2.3.6 and 4.0.3.
I'm not remotely upset I've just noticed that so many people are really concerned about it. Google was tracking iPhone users, fb owns people's fb content, loyalty cards track your buying habits... CIQ does some of these things, I'm sure... But if CIQ were active AND resulted in better service... I'm all for it
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So deceit and questionable technology is justified because other services are tracking me too? No. The companies I use that track me say what they are doing. The ones that aren't being honest about don't get my business. Doesn't matter if the service is free, it is still a business. Claims such as the one from my carrier say "we didn't know it was installed and besides we didn't turn it on". Yeah, right, my carrier paid money for a secret app they never intend to use. More reason to doubt the intentions. CIQ is commercial app and doesn't do this for free.
I still don't see why you even started this. I don't see those angry threads you speak of. That has died way down. I know they are out there but like ads and fanboys, they are invisible.
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Now if you want to rant about the geekgasms over a crappy ICS leak then go for it. That's a lot more noisy and wasteful than a month's old issue that isn't clogging the tubes any longer.
No, I'm not saying that deceit & questionable technology is ok, because others are doing it.. It's just that I can see an actual benefit from CIQ..... To Me! Better service.
I don't know if you read some of the threads, regarding the ICS leak, but some were pretty vocal about CIQ, that's why I started this thread..
If you feel that this thread is pointless, by all means, feel free to recommend that it be deleted..
No worries
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I got bored with the me too ICS posts so haven't seen CIQ references. So if they are filled with that then I see your point. But I didn't see mention of it in my brief reading of threads that have little value yet. The threads are tiring even without CIQ. Those threads will be replaced with facts once the devs have had time. CIQ will probably crop up again I'm sure.
No I'm not going to suggest thread deletion. I'm not that much of an idiot. If I was I'd whine over at androidforums where the Stazi patrol threads with an iron fist.
Great that you see value in something I don't. Give me the button to turn it off and everyone is happy. Deceit gets you an instant off just like in retail no matter what the excuse is.
OP, i agree with you, people get out of hand on such stupid things. As you said, your home computer is tracked like there is no tomorrow and people either dont know or dont care but when a carrier does it, its a SPY TRAGEDY. Who cares if your carrier knows whats going, thanks to that they can improve of a bunch of things. They dont spend time goign into your life to know what porn video you watch on your computer...
The fact that it wasn't disclosed to consumers until after it was discovered by consumers on their own makes people suspicious (paranoid even). And that we weren't given the ability to opt out (hell, even the iPhone has an option to disable it for non-rooted users).
Add to that the fact that the amount of data CIQ could theoretically track on you (including not just key strokes but could record calls and text messages and your location for everything you do). Doesn't get more 1984 than that.
I'm all for helping improve service, but if CIQ is so harmless, then why all the secrecy? And why make it impossible to disable without rooting? Why did they lie about knowledge of its presence?
"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get me" (sorry, hate to quote that perv Woody Allen but it just fits here...)
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The fact that it wasn't disclosed to consumers until after it was discovered by consumers on their own makes people suspicious (paranoid even). And that we weren't given the ability to opt out (hell, even the iPhone has an option to disable it for non-rooted users).
Add to that the fact that the amount of data CIQ could theoretically track on you (including not just key strokes but could record calls and text messages and your location for everything you do). Doesn't get more 1984 than that.
I'm all for helping improve service, but if CIQ is so harmless, then why all the secrecy? And why make it impossible to disable without rooting? Why did they lie about knowledge of its presence?
"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get me" (sorry, hate to quote that perv Woody Allen but it just fits here...)
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I can't comment on carriers in the US, but rogers freely admitted it's presence, and confirmed that it was inactive.. But I do see your concerns.
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Until it is removed i just installed orbot and i have most of my apps running through the tor network.