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[solved] Xoom screen question

I just ditched my Notion ink Adam for the mighty Xoom. I'm glad to say I'm impressed. Now for the reason behind my post. Is it normal to see a diamond like pattern(what I suspect to be the digitizer) behind the glass.... I first noticed it while playing with the youtube app. The deep black colors gave way to what I thought was just noise from the video, but after looking at it on an angle with the screen off you can definitely see the pattern.
Is this normal? Last I remember seeing a digitizer was on my Mogul.
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A small moire type pattern or a large contrast difference pattern. I have seen the large pattern occasionally. It doesn't seem to interfere with actual usage.

it the screen capacitive touch sensors (dunno the technical term). i can see it on just about every touch screen except the ipad - go figure.
the 101 is a crosshatch, the nook color are dots, this xoom is a crosshatch with some kind of checker pattern.

I figured it was normal, just didn't expect it to be so profound. It has no hindering effect on user experience. I hope people don't take this and blow it out of proportion as a flaw...lol
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JSZESZE said:
I figured it was normal, just didn't expect it to be so profound. It has no hindering effect on user experience. I hope people don't take this and blow it out of proportion as a flaw...lol
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They probably will.. lol I've seen people make issues of of something trivial like a button squeaking when you press it.. I can already picture people saying "my xoom screen is messed up"
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yeah the only time you notice it will be on dark scenes/backgrounds with ambient light and holding it at a certain angle. the 101 is more predominant but it's really not a bother.

Bad LCD panel?
Hi everyone. I just bought my wifi-only model from Staples today (Sunday). I noticed a little "problem" with the LCD panel when I turned it on, but disregarded it.
While watching a movie, I noticed the issue in full force. When a movie file is playing and there is a black background, I can see "mini-panels" and it's very distracting. I don't see this on a solid black background without media playing so I'm guessing it's something with the backlight. I'm attaching a photo (glad I was able to capture it this way!).
Anyone else seeing this? I didn't look close enough at the store's display.

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allen099 said:
Hi everyone. I just bought my wifi-only model from Staples today (Sunday). I noticed a little "problem" with the LCD panel when I turned it on, but disregarded it.
While watching a movie, I noticed the issue in full force. When a movie file is playing and there is a black background, I can see "mini-panels" and it's very distracting. I don't see this on a solid black background without media playing so I'm guessing it's something with the backlight. I'm attaching a photo (glad I was able to capture it this way!).
Anyone else seeing this? I didn't look close enough at the store's display.
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that's the capacitive sensors. i wonder how apple hides theirs.

Ive got them too, didnt notice it on any other devices ive used but its just the capacitor mesh that moto decided to use. My glass almost seems wavy as well (like not 100% flat) so not sure what my feelings are on that yet...

my guess on the waves is that it helps curb reflections.

Yeah what you guys are seeing is definitely the digitizer. On most touch screen devices you can see the digitizer at the right angle and with bright enough light (ie sunlight seems to bring it out the most). My guess is if you test this is a lower light setting you wont see any of the digitizer.
I have also noticed the digitizer on the xoom screen relatively easily.

well, ive just noticed the waves. i usually see small waves on screens but these are warps. good thing i'm trying to pay attention to the image on screen instead of the reflection, lol.

I have seen little warps on the bottom of the screen like 1/3 or the way to the middle and 2/3 to the right side (like a couple inches off center on each side). They are also in the same relative position on the top. My guess is this is how the screen is attached? It would be great if someone could take a good look at theirs, it may take looking at the reflection of light in those spots to actually see the warp, but I would really like to know if it is just mine or it is on all of them. And BTW I see the digitizer too, but it is worse on my HTC inspire 4g.

What exactly does screen bleeding effect

I just bought a g2x today. Didn't notice the screen bleed until I read about it. Just wondering what this does or the negative effect it has on my phone.
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Yeah. It makes people complain... Other than that I think it's just cosmetic...
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It just might be that my phone doesn't have screen bleeding as severe as other phones, but if I didn't read about it I probably wouldn't have noticed.

Yea that's what I'm thinking. I didn't hear about a single problem with the phone until I got it lol. Idk how bad mine is in relation to others but I don't want to exchange it and get one that's worse
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And is this something that can get progressively worse?
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Mine hasn't got any worse. I didn't notice til I read it on xda. I've had mine since release date and I love mine.
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No it does not affect usability at all. Some have posited that when Gingerbread gets released it will be more noticable on its dark notification bar. Some have also complained that their screen bleed has progressed to "bars" but I've only seen that a few times. I think virtually everyone will tell you it's a non issue.
That said, IMO, it is the lack of a real response that is indicative of the biggest issue of all.That being the lack of real support. People are getting them replaced, but that's it. I just want a phone that works. I have had a lot of issues. Getting a new one every two weeks is no fun. I'm in limbo now. I'm sick of re-entering everything....I really am. I just want a phone that works all the time with full functionality.Just get a new one is fine....but this is stupid.

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No it does not affect usability at all. Some have posited that when Gingerbread gets released it will be more noticable on its dark notification bar. Some have also complained that their screen bleed has progressed to "bars" but I've only seen that a few times. I think virtually everyone will tell you it's a non issue.
That said, IMO, it is the lack of a real response that is indicative of the biggest issue of all.That being the lack of real support. People are getting them replaced, but that's it. I just want a phone that works. I have had a lot of issues. Getting a new one every two weeks is no fun. I'm in limbo now. I'm sick of re-entering everything....I really am. I just want a phone that works all the time with full functionality.Just get a new one is fine....but this is stupid.
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So am I lol. Not with G2x but other phones. I am just looking for one that works. I need an international phone. I want one with a ffc to video chat to home. I want to future proof my device and I am doing that with a ffc, 4g, and a dual core processor. Its not an issue for me but I dont want it to become one.

not a thing, just crazy people having to have something to complain about. it really isn't serious at all.

ickster said:
No it does not affect usability at all. Some have posited that when Gingerbread gets released it will be more noticable on its dark notification bar. Some have also complained that their screen bleed has progressed to "bars" but I've only seen that a few times. I think virtually everyone will tell you it's a non issue.
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Im using Cm7 right now and it has a black bar on top and I notice that the side with light bleed looks a little washed out compared to the rest of the bar. You notice it even if its not dark but probably not if the lights are really bright
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the colors on this thing look beautiful and I'm wondering if when gb comes with its black status bar will things start to look a little off.
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The effect is purely cosmetic and is a result of the sort of screen the G2x uses. Most phones use a LED screen, particularly AMOLED and Super AMOLED. The G2x uses an LCD screen, which is what most TVs use.
LCD screens are much, much brighter (my old AMOLED screen's optimum brightness in daylight was 100%, this one is 25%) and displays colors with much more vibrance, but it doesn't handle black very well. Turn on your television in a dark room to an empty channel (like DVD when the dvd player isn't on) and you'll see the same effect.
Personally, I don't mind. In fact, I prefer the LCD: the brightness and color is more than good enough to offset the bleed.
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I'm wondering if when gb comes with its black status bar will things start to look a little off.
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After using the leaked 2.3.3 update, I can tell you that it definitely does look odd, but only when you're in a pitch-black room.

That's what I was worried about. Are you going to keep it? I'm trying to debate if I will or not. I do not really want the sensation
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Streaky screen

When looking at light backgrounds on low brightness levels, does anyone else's screen get somewhat streaky looking? Just faint vertical splotches all over any light area. Goes away at 25%+ brightness.. Defective LCD?
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possibly, I checked mine under a couple of conditions, could not duplicate your problem, sorry

Better look a tit with a SEM.

Are you talking about like flickering lines? I've seen it a couple of times. Might be kernal related.
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docodine said:
When looking at light backgrounds on low brightness levels, does anyone else's screen get somewhat streaky looking? Just faint vertical splotches all over any light area. Goes away at 25%+ brightness.. Defective LCD?
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It's not an LCD; it's AMOLED, which is a totally different tech. Most Samsung AMOLED displays seem to exhibit this if you search around (e.g. Engadget's Nexus S review). Nothing you can do about it, and a replacement will probably have it too. My Cowon S9 even has it.

Q Does anyone elses do this? rings on screen with light pressure

if I apply light pressure on back of tablet about two inches above asus logo it looks like something is pushing against the screen you get all those rings and what looks like a rainbow effect.
I noticed it when docked and moving the screen back and forth the same effect occurs.. is this just cos the unit is thin and flexes, does anyone else see this behaviour?

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if I apply light pressure on back of tablet about two inches above asus logo it looks like something is pushing against the screen you get all those rings and what looks like a rainbow effect.
I noticed it when docked and moving the screen back and forth the same effect occurs.. is this just cos the unit is thin and flexes, does anyone else see this behaviour?
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I tried what you did and I don't see anything, how big/noticeable is this 'rainbow effect' you're talking about on your tablet? Something doesn't seem right.

Going further if I simply press on the touch screen in that area I get the same effect somethings definitely wrong, when screen is on I get big yellow splodges from the backlight. The screen must be moving in the chassis I guess
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Sparky32 said:
if I apply light pressure on back of tablet about two inches above asus logo it looks like something is pushing against the screen you get all those rings and what looks like a rainbow effect.
I noticed it when docked and moving the screen back and forth the same effect occurs.. is this just cos the unit is thin and flexes, does anyone else see this behaviour?
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I think you're describing the general effect of applying pressure to an LCD screen. They all do it to some extent. Unless the effect is permanent, it's nothing to worry about.

Underwater Mike said:
I think you're describing the general effect of applying pressure to an LCD screen. They all do it to some extent. Unless the effect is permanent, it's nothing to worry about.
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I disagree, I tried and failed to replicate what he did. Also, my tablet has the bleeding issue too, so I don't think those are directly related. (I have light spots and edge bleeding, but don't have the rainbow effect.)

Its so annoying cos its ones of the newer serial numbers and there is hardly any bleed or anything, but in normal use touching the screen in one place seems to compress something and I get rainbow and big blobs of yellowy light about 1 inch above where I touch/press or if I move screen back or forward in dock or press against back of tablet.. Lets see what asus cs say.. Might have to go for refund and defect to samsung but I don't want to
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Very frustrating to say the least because if you get a good one it is superb.Cant blame you if you do jump ship but i would encourage you to give it one more shot.
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Boohoo that's it, returned and refunded.. 3 crap tablets, I give up.. Not sure what to do now sounds like galaxy tab is just as fraught with issues ipad2 maybe much as I.can't stand apple at least they seem to work when it comes to tablets
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Sparky32 said:
Boohoo that's it, returned and refunded.. 3 crap tablets, I give up.. Not sure what to do now sounds like galaxy tab is just as fraught with issues ipad2 maybe much as I.can't stand apple at least they seem to work when it comes to tablets
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iPad2 has some of the same issues, light bleed, etc and some new ones, cracking screens. It is tough to make a screen that is high res, light weight, thin, and can stand up to people poking at it all day long.

[Q] Screen issue? Defective?

Hi all,
So I just got my Transformer this evening and am hoping and praying for no issues.
I am wondering about something when I turn on the unit however already... I cannot tell if this is normal or not.
On the lower part of the welcome screen about maybe a 1/4 way up from the bottom there seems to be a faint light bar/line that goes across from one side to the other in this area.
I cannot tell if this is part of the welcome screen or if this is a flaw. Everything as far as leaks goes and such looks great from all sides but this concerns me. If it's part of the welcome design screen then great! If not I think I obviously have a problem with the screen. I hope this is not the case.
I have attached the best image I could take with crap camera showing the line. I apologize for it not being the best quality.
If anyone can assist I'd truly appreciate it. I don't want to test it on other screens as I wanted to let my Transformer charge completely before getting into it as it states. What is a good amount of time to let it charge to get the most out of my battery?
Thanks again for all help offered.
-tweeker

You can't get a clear idea about light bleed with a background like that. Download a black image from the web and open it from the gallery app, that will give you an almost black screen. Light leak is most noticeable on a black screen with brightness set to max.

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You can't get a clear idea about light bleed with a background like that. Download a black image from the web and open it from the gallery app, that will give you an almost black screen. Light leak is most noticeable on a black screen with brightness set to max.
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What about the streak of light that is going through the Android character is what I am referring to?
It's definitely not extremely blatant on this photo but you can certainly see it.

tweeker404 said:
What about the streak of light that is going through the Android character is what I am referring to?
It's definitely not extremely blatant on this photo but you can certainly see it.
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That's the background ... if there is a problem it will most likely be at the most extreme edges, it almost looks like there might be some on the bottom but that could be camera angle.
You already opened the box and took off the plastic, going past the welcome screen isn'tgoing to affect return policy or anything. Even if it did you can do a full wipe and be back to that screen in minutes.
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That's the background ... if there is a problem it will most likely be at the most extreme edges, it almost looks like there might be some on the bottom but that could be camera angle.
You already opened the box and took off the plastic, going past the welcome screen isn'tgoing to affect return policy or anything. Even if it did you can do a full wipe and be back to that screen in minutes.
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Great thanks a lot! Yes you are right there is some at the bottom.
What you see is correct... Are there ones out there that do not have this bleeding at the bottom?
Thanks.

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Great thanks a lot! Yes you are right there is some at the bottom.
What you see is correct... Are there ones out there that do not have this bleeding at the bottom?
Thanks.
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Tough question. Probably? I think all have it to some degree, but like my new one I have to put a blanket over my head, turn the screen all black, and turn the brightness all the way up to notice it. If you don't notice it or it doesn't bother you it is just an aesthetic problem that shouldn't ever get worse (or better). If it does and you can exchange it I would recommend doing that instead of sending it to Asus. There are plenty of horror stories about people sending it for repair.
However I would wait until you only have a week left to send it back to see if you forget about it. Some people have gone through nearly a dozen returns looking for a perfect one. I mean we deserve to get one without flaws, but sadly these screens are so prone to bleed that it seems to make some people just give up on tablets...
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degeneration said:
Tough question. Probably? I think all have it to some degree, but like my new one I have to put a blanket over my head, turn the screen all black, and turn the brightness all the way up to notice it. If you don't notice it or it doesn't bother you it is just an aesthetic problem that shouldn't ever get worse (or better). If it does and you can exchange it I would recommend doing that instead of sending it to Asus. There are plenty of horror stories about people sending it for repair.
However I would wait until you only have a week left to send it back to see if you forget about it. Some people have gone through nearly a dozen returns looking for a perfect one. I mean we deserve to get one without flaws, but sadly these screens are so prone to bleed that it seems to make some people just give up on tablets...
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Yeah I can understand that. That is a great answer.
I noticed there is also noticable bleed on the left side as well near the bottom as well as the bleed noticed on the bottom all closer to the center and left.
Probably want to try out another one with there being more than just a little at the bottom. What do you think degen?
Thanks for your response.

tweeker404 said:
Yeah I can understand that. That is a great answer.
I noticed there is also noticable bleed on the left side as well near the bottom as well as the bleed noticed on the bottom all closer to the center and left.
Probably want to try out another one with there being more than just a little at the bottom. What do you think degen?
Thanks for your response.
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Like I mentioned I am on my second one, although I also had a blotch in the middle of my screen. If it bothers you now there's a good chance it always will. Sadly it's a roll of the dice. However having got mine from Amazon I figured I would rather return it then just regret it. Lightbleed SHOULDN'T exist but sadly you may have to settle with it to some degree but not a lot of it. If it bugs you while warching movies, playing games, or web browsing I would try exhanging it. Make sure to try it at night if you aren't sure. That's when it will be the most noticeable.
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degeneration said:
Like I mentioned I am on my second one, although I also had a blotch in the middle of my screen. If it bothers you now there's a good chance it always will. Sadly it's a roll of the dice. However having got mine from Amazon I figured I would rather return it then just regret it. Lightbleed SHOULDN'T exist but sadly you may have to settle with it to some degree but not a lot of it. If it bugs you while warching movies, playing games, or web browsing I would try exhanging it. Make sure to try it at night if you aren't sure. That's when it will be the most noticeable.
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Thanks a lot Degen. I appreciate your help.