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Leo vs. Mega vs. Nexus One

which one is the best overall device? Owners only please, no fanboys/trolls.
Grade the phones on this criteria out of 5(ie x/5):
OS:
Size/pocketability:
Battery life:
Processor speed:
Ease of use:
usability of on-screen keyboard:
Apps:
US 3G Support (AT&T to be specific):
Overall:
Just to kick things off im going to weigh in on my current phone, the TP2:
OS: 3/5 (using sense 2.5) (5/5 with android)
Size/pocketability: 2/5
Battery life: 5/5
Processor speed: 2/5
Ease of use: 4/5
usability of on-screen keyboard: 1/5
Apps: 2/5
US 3G Support (AT&T to be specific): full support
Overal: 3/5

Leo HD2
Leo HD2
OS:5/5 to be honest I think WM6.5 with the Sense on top is amazing never freezes on my phone anymore after installing NRGZ's Energy Rom.
Size/pocketability: 4/5 Although it's big never found it to be a problem in any pocket.
Battery life:3/5 For a smart phone pretty good but with heavy usage drops pretty quick aswel. On standby lasts for ages.
Processor speed: 5/5 everything is pretty much instant
Ease of use: 5/5 Didn't strugle with anything
usability of on-screen keyboard: 4/5 could be better still getting used to it. Theres ways of making typing easier but isnt really an isue for me.
Apps: 2/5 at the moment not much about but it's early days to fingers crossed.
US 3G Support (AT&T to be specific): 5/5
Overall:
I think this is a great phone. I must admit with the stock ROM it wouldn't have achieved the scores I gave but with a bit of messing around it's simply amazing. Also when you can play a PS1 on the go always getting a 5/5 from me lol
Haven't experianced any of the others phones but to be honest whichever you pick bar the MEGA don't think you will be dissapointed its really a LEO vs Nexus battle so if you want android Nexus WM Leo.
Hope this helps

Both the HD2 & N1 are great choices...but depends on your OS, Apps, etc. preference's.
I have the Nexus One and there's no looking back...it is so fast & cool!

Personally, I would choose Leo, but as galaxys says, all will depend on what you want/need from a device.
Have a look here for a detailed comparative:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2067&id2=2174&id3=2028
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I´m not an owner just gave this neutral full info, hope it´s ok

thanks for the thoughts. I think ive narrowed it down to the Nexus One and the HD2. Im still really torn though. I love android but i love stuff like the FM tuner and the dual flash in the HD2. :/ The other thing thats holding me back is the fact that they dont support ATT 3G. I heard about a ATT N1 but that could be months because ATT takes AGES to adopt unlocked phones, it took them almost a year for them to adopt the TP2. what to do, what to do....

Great thread so far!
I'm in the exact situation, but in London/UK
I'm currently on O2 via CPW (Car Phone Warehouse) which means I can jump to whoever, but have decided that I will buy the phone off-line to save a fair amount of money and use whatever SiM I feel fit. I'm not a greedy mobile user, but like at least anything from 400 to 1000 minutes talk on any network, similar or unlimited SMS's, and unlimited web usage.
Anywho... I was dead set on the HD2, as I'm coming from a HTC Touch HD. However, the Nexus One is almost like for like in actual spec, but of course a different and new OS to me. The main pluses that tipping the scales towards the HTC HD2 is (mainly) the larger screen, have a lot of great WM OS applications that I know and use often, M$ Office which I use at least once a week, the WM Contacts works pretty damn close to M$ Office on my HTPC (W7x64) and well lastly I know WM OS.
I'm not afraid of new that's for sure, as I been in more complicated situations and do a ROM update almost every couple weeks. I'm a heavy Windows user, but sadly have to use Mac OS on a weekly basis too, being a film editor (Mac's are NOT the best for film editing, but somehow other humans think it is).
So what is it about the Nexus One that gives it the ability to compete with the HD2? Are there plenty of great apps out there already? Does Android sync with M$ Outlook 2007 (or even 2010) perfectly OK? Is there anything I'm going to miss or moan about soon into a week of using a Nexus One?
What is your typical day on your phone 'bdk184'... what is key to you? [^_^]
I love my Touch HD, but wish it was faster and possible a better screen. The HD2 simply answers that... but somehow, I keep hearing in the back of my headphones... Nexus One. [-_-]
PS. Thanks for that comparison 'orb3000'... although it's made me think more, it's got me thinking the right questions. The Nexus One has a better colour depth... Hmm!?! [^_^]

i own the nexus one, and to be honest i do not like android... the phone is nice and all but i would prefer getting the htc hd2.

New - HTC Incredible on Android OS
@un1uncky - LoL! I think I've felt that many times too, but when I start using WinMo again, feels fine until I start hitting all the ugly GUi's again.
Hmm... another option maybe... HTC Incredible / http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...top-end-android-specs-668954?src=rss&attr=all

un1ucky said:
i own the nexus one, and to be honest i do not like android... the phone is nice and all but i would prefer getting the htc hd2.
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Never have I seen a name which suits as good as yours!!
Have you considered trying to do a trade for a HD2 in Marketplace or a straight sell to fund getting a HD2?

[Q] Which Tablet do i get for $200 or less?

Soo Black friday coming up and it looks like there are going to be several deals on tablets out there.
Anyone have any suggestions on which one to get?
I'm hoping to use it for browsing around the house, watching movies on vacation, and various other uses(hoping there's a vnc client out there so i can use it to vnc into my HTPC.), also hoping for something w/marketplace access
I don't need one w/ celluar i have enough devices i can get internet from when i'm out and about.
Here's what i've seen so far
Kmart - Sylvania 7.1" comes w/2.1 Wi-Fi - $139.99
Toys R US - Sylcania 7.1" comes w/2.1 Wi-FI - $139.99
Hastings - Sylvania 7" WiFi Tablet w/ Android O/S 1GHz ARM 11 Processor 256MB RAM 2GB Hard Drive - $149.99
They all look to be the same tablet although each add words the device differently. Best buy has a couple of E-reader devices listed however i'm not sure if any of those could be rooted and flashed.(nook, cruz e-reader)
I've never rooted an android phone but am technically capable of doing so.
If this question has been asked and answered then please forgive my failure of using a search engine in an attempt to find an answer. Any and all helpful input is greatly appreciated.

it's 200, but euros:
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me too
I've been looking at those too. I think they are all the same model. The Sylavania 7" has a 1ghz processor, 256/512 memory, TFT Resistive screen, 480x800
I've been doing a lot of research and it seems like a winner for a cheap tablet. It lacks Android Market but you can manually install APK's (these are the install files) from the SD Card. Plus there are alternative markets.
The only bad thing I see is the Resistive screen. I guess it isn't a kill joy but lots of android games use multitouch.
I'm actually wanting to buy it for my 4 year old son. He's showing a huge interest in my Nexus One and loves games like Angry Birds and stupid Basketball games and such. I figured it would serve as a decent web browser from the couch.
Supposedly the USB ports don't work out of the box, and the headphone jack is only mono. There are reports that an upcoming software update is supposed to fix them.
I'm new to the tablets, but supposedly the Sylvania is faster and more responsive then other 800mhz android tablets. So I am in the same boat. The Sylvania is around $119-139 which seems to fit the bill for my 4 year old. Anything else that compares that is rootable and upgradable from a rom standpoint.

All of these are resistive touch screen. I wouldn't pay $5.00 for a resistive touch screen on any device. So they have decent CPUs and ram, they run flash and can/will run Froyo? If they have a resistive touch screen, it's pretty much pointless. It's like using a ball mouse with my gaming PC, it just doesn't make sense to me. Just my opinion, nothing more or less.
Side note, for about $75-$100 more you could get a nice capactive touch screen tablet with even more features. Archos 70, herotab and a few others.

wth my post is gone.
Take 2:
Basically if I was buying one for myself, yea sure I would get a Capacitive touch. Lots of Android features requires it. But I'm more intested in the price point of $139. I'm looking for an Android tablet that will run games like Angry Birds and stupid basketball games for my 4 year old.
When he's not using it I might use it for couch surfing or something... but basically it is a toy for my child.
I'm not sure what the OP's primary uses are, but I'm looking for a cheap Android Tablet that has at least 2.1 on it and decent memory specs. I've been doing a lot of research tonight and I think the Sylvania is a winner. Lots of people are saying the run faster then most of the low dollar tablets out there.
One major flaw is the battery life is 3 hours. For me it isn't a problem as no one in my house should be on it for 3 hours. I just want to be able to throw a few silly games on it to keep my kid entertained and off my Nexus One.
[EDIT]
I just saw a post for the Maylong M-150 Tablet and it looks promising
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=808961
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yybv6XCrO4Q

player911 said:
wth my post is gone.
Take 2:
Basically if I was buying one for myself, yea sure I would get a Capacitive touch. Lots of Android features requires it. But I'm more intested in the price point of $139. I'm looking for an Android tablet that will run games like Angry Birds and stupid basketball games for my 4 year old.
When he's not using it I might use it for couch surfing or something... but basically it is a toy for my child.
I'm not sure what the OP's primary uses are, but I'm looking for a cheap Android Tablet that has at least 2.1 on it and decent memory specs. I've been doing a lot of research tonight and I think the Sylvania is a winner. Lots of people are saying the run faster then most of the low dollar tablets out there.
One major flaw is the battery life is 3 hours. For me it isn't a problem as no one in my house should be on it for 3 hours. I just want to be able to throw a few silly games on it to keep my kid entertained and off my Nexus One.
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For the kids, yeah it's a great price and product. I would much rather my kid have a tablet in his/her hands than a game controller. At least there is more of a chance they might actually learn something.

I ended up getting the sylvania and i am loving it. I have market working and Over on xda someone noticed a process called cell stand by was running and eating up the battery. Once i followed their lead and unistalled some apps they said to i am getting much better battery life on my sylvania. I am going on 3 hours of mixed use/standy and till have 61% battery remaining.
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I ended up getting the HeroTab X5A from Merimobiles.com for $149.
800mhz
7" Resistive Touch w/ Multitouch
G-Sensor
Capacitive touch controls on the side
Glass top, metal surround
Android 2.1 w/ Market
Looks like it runs great.
http://www.merimobiles.com/Herotab_X5A_Multitouch_Gsensor_800Mhz_Android_2_1_p/meri0524.htm

Yea I've been playing with it. I loaded up Angry Birds and a few games he likes to test before putting it back in the box.
Yes it does have multitouch. I loaded Launcher Pro and lots of little apps. Runs great. The only issue is the only Widget available is Google Search. Supposedly the latest Firmware update fixes it but I had already wrapped it up for Christmas.

Just tried the New Sprint Echo - Don't Bother.

Wow, complete fail. I knew I had my doubts about anything made by Kyocera, but I was not prepared for utter cheapness and ugliness of this device. And the screen quality - don't get me started. I felt like I was looking at a Blackberry from 2005.
The dual screen concept is nice and probably will be improved over time. But this first trip out of the barn really is a mule with a broken leg and a bad case of the mange.
If you were tempted to use your EVO trade-up for this device, save your time and money and wait for the EVO 3D.

Right now the only Android MFR's to consider are Motorola and HTC IMHO. Didn't think this device was worth anything anyway
Well OK you can add Samsung to this list

I was looking at this phone when I realized my 2 year was up on April 1st. It seemed interesting but I just knew there wouldn't be any app support for it. I have read a few reviews saying that the hinge, although goofy, is surprisingly strong.
I was going to just wait until the Evo 3D came out and not even get the Evo, but I caved. In a way I'm glad I did though, I have it all rooted and installed C7 on it with Tiamat 3.5.7. I used these forums to customize my hero as well.

Probably sucks now but if Samsung tries it with dual super amoled then it will be great since they are best company at hardware wise when it comes to phones but not software but that is y xda is here
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Jasonhunterx said:
Probably sucks now but if Samsung tries it with dual super amoled then it will be great since they are best company at hardware wise when it comes to phones but not software but that is y xda is here
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Dual screen cellphones are a great idea. I personally feel they may be the wave of the future just like multimonitor computer setups are so popular now. However, this phone is little more than proof of concept. Sprint will take a bath on this.
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Thanks for confirming what I already suspected. I have not had a chance to handle one yet, but the looks alone told me it was gonna be el cheapo. Kind of a shame really. The concept is pretty cool. I don't think it's going to last because of the introduction of flexible LED displays in the near future. Much better if you don't have to have a seam in the middle of your display!

Op, maybe you can complain enough to get the phone removed. You seem to be good at that...

nohbdyshero said:
Right now the only Android MFR's to consider are Motorola and HTC IMHO. Didn't think this device was worth anything anyway
Well OK you can add Samsung to this list
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Don't you mean HTC and Samsung? I don't think you'll find a whole lot of love for the Moto phones here on XDA with the encrypted bootloaders and all.

OneStepAhead said:
Don't you mean HTC and Samsung? I don't think you'll find a whole lot of love for the Moto phones here on XDA with the encrypted bootloaders and all.
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I know some people like the Moto's but I forgot about Samsung and them at the last minute. I'm just glad I didn't forget all together I would have been flammed all over the place

I demo'd this phone in store today, also. Sprint tech was "watching TV" on it at the front counter. Played with it for five minutes:
Hinge has an addicting snap sound to it, as is the whole process of folding/unfolding the phone. Even having a 1GHz Snapdragon, the phone was still laggy (opening apps, scrolling through the drawer). As we all figured, besides the Sprint bloatware, this phone is pretty much AOSP--I don't believe Kyocera ever threw in their own frontend.
Rep was running Sprint TV for roughly twenty minutes, and battery was already down to 78%! Battery percentage indicator is stock, at least. LOL! Kyocera has thrown in an extra battery in the package for a reason.
Screens by themselves are SMALL! We know the specs, but looking at the screen IRL leaves MUCH to be desired. All in all, it's a novelty, at best. You're not getting anything practical out of a dual screen phone unless you ABSOLUTELY need to shave MILLISECONDS off of your time. This phone is a miss for me, which sucks, because I was looking forward to it because my phone upgrade is due in July. EVO 3D, here I come.

My oldest son was buying his finacee an evo while my youngest son and I played the echo...I asked the manager how many they have sold and he said no a one...That was 1:34 pm today.
Within 3 minutes of playing with the echo I was blah....
Picture of my son playing with the echo today.
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Critical battery, guess it's been 2 hours, time to change to the other battery :/...

I bought one yesterday to replace my EVO which I have had since launch and had the extended battery for.
I just cannot understand where all the hate for this phone comes from. With the screens open it is nearly tablet sized. I call this phone more of a "tablet crossover", where it does great as a phone and then when needed gives you a ton of room to work on things in near tablet size.
The phone is also pretty small, but thick. Feels good in hand and in pocket and very well built.
Battery life yesterday was fine mostly connected to wifi. Today will be my first day out and about with it.
It has been buttery smooth for me, no stutters or lags. I've already become used to the small black space between the screens and don't even notice it. Not sure on the comment about the screen quality, both displays are superb in my opinion.
Sure, the phone is different than anything we have seen before. So far it has exceeded my expectations and I don't miss the Evo at all. Can't tell you how nice it is to flip the screens together to get some work done and have all the extra space.

A couple other thoughts -
I have mostly used it with apps full screen in tablet mode, and it has worked beautifully for nearly everything I have tried, including apps like Pulse reader.
Simultask works well also, although I haven't found myself using it that much. Was cool when I saw some mails coming in and I was browsing the web, I brought the mail client into one of the screens and continued to browse as I was reviewing mail. Also it's great how the mail client uses both screens to list mail on one screen and review on another.
Camera app is awesome with how it uses both screens.
Pretty much vanilla android 2.2 all the way around. Very nice in that regard.

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DomSim said:
Op, maybe you can complain enough to get the phone removed. You seem to be good at that...
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Actually, I am good at helping people. Perhaps that is why I have 420 thank-you's compared to your 23. If you spent less time attacking me and more time learning enough about Android where you could assist others, maybe you won't look so foolish by comparison next time?

mhoepfin said:
I bought one yesterday to replace my EVO which I have had since launch and had the extended battery for.
I just cannot understand where all the hate for this phone comes from. With the screens open it is nearly tablet sized. I call this phone more of a "tablet crossover", where it does great as a phone and then when needed gives you a ton of room to work on things in near tablet size.
The phone is also pretty small, but thick. Feels good in hand and in pocket and very well built.
Battery life yesterday was fine mostly connected to wifi. Today will be my first day out and about with it.
It has been buttery smooth for me, no stutters or lags. I've already become used to the small black space between the screens and don't even notice it. Not sure on the comment about the screen quality, both displays are superb in my opinion.
Sure, the phone is different than anything we have seen before. So far it has exceeded my expectations and I don't miss the Evo at all. Can't tell you how nice it is to flip the screens together to get some work done and have all the extra space.
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As with any phone, it is a matter of taste. For those who are more into utility and care less about aesthetics, this phone is probably fine. However, I am surprised you don't notice that the image quality on the screen is far inferior to the EVO? Like I said, I am a big fan of THIS IDEA, I'm just not a fan of this phone. Seems more like a proof-of-concept than a finished product.
Glad you like your Echo

Jasonhunterx said:
Probably sucks now but if Samsung tries it with dual super amoled then it will be great since they are best company at hardware wise when it comes to phones but not software but that is y xda is here
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totally agree....... +1

DomSim said:
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Oh ****! Hahahahaha
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Not surprising one bit. This was the last time I ever purchased anything from Kyocera. The lens cover decide to close when you turn the power ON and open when you turn the power OFF...after 2wks of pampering.

[Q] is Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus a good Tablet?

I willing to buy this tablet but i have some questions:
1- How is the battery life?
2- Is the screen to small for reading, movies and games ?
3- How is the resolution and clarity of text?
4- any common problem that faced veteran users

Please answer quickly because i am going to buy this tablet tomorrow

I greatly like this tablet though it is my first tablet.
1. Very good and even better when you tweak certain things in for your general use.
2. Movies are fine, reading is fine and I use it often, games are great also comparability is on the low side of things though.
3.Resolution is fine. It has a dpi of 160 and that's nothing to sneeze at.
4. Common problem are SOD's and the lack of source code for the tablet. (SOD is the sleep of death which is when you turn off the screen and it freezes) those are the two things that stand out to me.

mohamedawad said:
I willing to buy this tablet but i have some questions:
1- How is the battery life?
2- Is the screen to small for reading, movies and games ?
3- How is the resolution and clarity of text?
4- any common problem that faced veteran users
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1. slightly above average (of 7" tablets)
2. personally, I think its a perfect size.
3. it's "okay." Not great, but not the worst I've seen.
4. quite a few people have experienced problems called "sleep of death" - which basically means the tablet appears dead with the screen off... the only way to recover is press/hold the power button until the tablet reboots. A handful have had issues with corrupted flash memory that rendered the tablet useless. There have also been reports of wifi issues.
Gary

Thank you guys, that was really helpful

no, its just not snappy, the resolution and display quality is poor, battery life (and more importantly: battery life management) is poor.
unfortunately, apple hasnt produced a 7" ipad... cuz that would be a better choice
i have GN as my phone, so i support the android platform. its just that this tablet isnt very fun to use. ICS may change that... buts its a longing hope that'll wont get raelied

Wow, that isn't even remotely close to the truth. Do you even own one? The Tab Plus is easily the fastest and the nicest built seven incher on the market.

robyr said:
Wow, that isn't even remotely close to the truth. Do you even own one? The Tab Plus is easily the fastest and the nicest built seven incher on the market.
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It's more responsive without Touchwiz, though. But it's still faster than the original 10.1, which was rather sluggish on the TW launcher.

robyr said:
Wow, that isn't even remotely close to the truth. Do you even own one? The Tab Plus is easily the fastest and the nicest built seven incher on the market.
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now what possible incentive do i have for not expressing the truth?
it may be the best 7" tablet on the market, but that only speaks to the dearth of good tablets in that space. it does not make the 7GT+ a good tablet per se.
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and whats with the default browser trying to dim the screen compared to the rest of the environment? utter bunk.
and the fact that certain apps are not available on 3.x. i have nice magazine readers and browsers on my phone... but want to use it on the tab? no go

I love my tablet, though I only slightly somewhat regret not waiting for the 7.7. Basically the same tablet with a Verizon connection that I'd never use, but with a lot nicer screen. However, I was able to get my 7+ for $270 of eBay, and the 7.7 I probably would have to pay full retail at almost $400 more. I like having cutting edge products that I hold onto forever, but I'm not sure the nicer screen is with that kind of premium in price.

ccpotato said:
no, its just not snappy, the resolution and display quality is poor, battery life (and more importantly: battery life management) is poor.
unfortunately, apple hasnt produced a 7" ipad... cuz that would be a better choice
i have GN as my phone, so i support the android platform. its just that this tablet isnt very fun to use. ICS may change that... buts its a longing hope that'll wont get raelied
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Are you sure you are talking about the right tablet?

Love it, expect ICS to make it even better, and I have no "death sleep" issues, but then I have a refurbished one so maybe they fixed it.
For $275 only thing I know even close is the slower Best Buy version for $250.

mohamedawad said:
I willing to buy this tablet but i have some questions:
1- How is the battery life?
2- Is the screen to small for reading, movies and games ?
3- How is the resolution and clarity of text?
4- any common problem that faced veteran users
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1 - I've not had an issue with battery life, using it all day at work then reading before bed. I charge it at night, and I also prefer a very low screen brightness.
2 - I've read 4 novels in the 6 weeks I've owned it. It's maybe a tad small for comics but works OK. I don't have much opportunity to watch movies on it. I do like to use it as a 2nd/3rd screen to run youtube video, video podcasts, or a TV episode while doing something else on my computer.
3 - Text clarity is fine. I use Aldiko for reading and have the font set to Molengo set at 16 it looks great and is very comfortable for me to read.
4 - Not sure what is meant, I'm a veteran technology user and this is my first Android device. With that in mind the biggest issue I have with the device is that after an extended web browsing session it will heat up on the upper left side of the tablet. Also the tablet is picky about power, you will have to use the factory adapter or go out of your way to find a workaround to charge the device.
Overall I'm very satisfied. I think I would also have been satisfied with the 2 version vs the plus. I really love the form factor, the sd slot is handy, and it has good overall performance.

Thank You, Moto XDA Community!

This is my stop. I've gone back to the Note 5. It was an interesting ride on this MXPE boat and I learned a lot about how devices not named "Samsung" require different tools and methods to enjoy the root/ROM life. I just really underestimated how dependent I was on that S-Pen, AMOLED and the general Samsung ecosystem. Turns out I could only stay away from it for only a month before I started to get the shakes, LOL!.
Anyway, my thanks to everyone here for their amazing contributions to this community and their friendliness. You folks are steady. My personal gratitude to @acejavelin who was particularly helpful during my time on this device.
See y'all on the other side!
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Sailor Gerry said:
This is my stop. I've gone back to the Note 5. It was an interesting ride on this MXPE boat and I learned a lot about how devices not named "Samsung" require different tools and methods to enjoy the root/ROM life. I just really underestimated how dependent I was on that S-Pen, AMOLED and the general Samsung ecosystem. Turns out I could only stay away from it for only a month before I started to get the shakes, LOL!.
Anyway, my thanks to everyone here for their amazing contributions to this community and their friendliness. You folks are steady. My personal gratitude to @acejavelin who was particularly helpful during my time on this device.
See y'all on the other side!
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@acejavelin
He has helped everyone...

Thank you... Come back anytime.

Good luck over there as I will not likely join you. I think Samsung delivers products with some "nifty" features and I don't fault anyone who likes it. For me, with more competition in the hardware markets (Huawei, OnePlus, etc have come into the fold) there are more flagships at lower costs. True that you lose S-Pen and the Samsung tweaks, but I am not enamoured with either. Just can't justify paying more for software tweaks when I can root and get what I want through Xposed. I want a functional phone that can handle my demands and still let me play around a little bit.

aybarrap1 said:
True that you lose S-Pen and the Samsung tweaks, but I am not enamoured with either. Just can't justify paying more for software tweaks when I can root and get what I want through Xposed. I want a functional phone that can handle my demands and still let me play around a little bit.
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I can appreciate that but personally I'm paying for the combo of the hardware and software (because it's so easy to root and mod). The hardware being a good solid base to tweak the software to my liking. So between the Note hardware (build, AMOLED, S-Pen, Camera, physical home button, capacitive buttons, LED indicator), Nova Launcher Prime, root, xposed I'm happy again. All that wrapped up together is what I pay for.
The other newcomers in the mid-range to high end devices are certainly amazing choices and I can appreciate their features but with them it's getting something and losing something across the board instead of getting everything I want on one platform (personal taste) so that's why I'm going to remain on the Note series until the planet is dead. I was curious about other platforms and played around with them only to realize for me the grass was certainly not greener.
Thanks for the feedback and your well wishes! You guys are awesome!

Sailor Gerry said:
I can appreciate that but personally I'm paying for the combo of the hardware and software (because it's so easy to root and mod). The hardware being a good solid base to tweak the software to my liking. So between the Note hardware (build, AMOLED, S-Pen, Camera, physical home button, capacitive buttons, LED indicator), Nova Launcher Prime, root, xposed I'm happy again. All that wrapped up together is what I pay for.
The other newcomers in the mid-range to high end devices are certainly amazing choices and I can appreciate their features but with them it's getting something and losing something across the board instead of getting everything I want on one platform (personal taste) so that's why I'm going to remain on the Note series until the planet is dead. I was curious about other platforms and played around with them only to realize for me the grass was certainly not greener.
Thanks for the feedback and your well wishes! You guys are awesome!
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Very true. I'm just not a fan of TouchWiz nor some of Samsung's implementations. My wife loves those tweaks however so to each their own. I personally like the vanilla look and keeping things simple

aybarrap1 said:
Very true. I'm just not a fan of TouchWiz nor some of Samsung's implementations. My wife loves those tweaks however so to each their own. I personally like the vanilla look and keeping things simple
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There really is something to be said for vanilla Android, and I'm periodically reminded of that every time I start to sour on the MXPE. You can get this phone for $200-250 retail nowadays, and yet it still - in my experience - outperforms most skinned 2016 flagships (I'm looking at you, Samsung) in real-world day-to-day usage. Swiping through homescreens and the app drawer, switching between recent apps, that kind of thing - MXPE is still flawless and snappy, where high-dollar flagships like the S7 Edge can choke at times.
Not only that, but I've had zero software issues or bugs of note in my entire 14 months owning MXPEs as my daily driver. My previous two phones - Samsung and HTC - were buggy messes after their first OTA updates, to the point that CM became preferable even from a reliability standpoint.
I value hardware and specs a lot, but I will never own another phone that doesn't run vanilla Android out of the box, period. The 6P and Pixel XL are the *only* upgrade paths I'll consider, and since neither are enough of an upgrade relative to the price jump, I'll just wait til next year.

ominousnimbus said:
There really is something to be said for vanilla Android, and I'm periodically reminded of that every time I start to sour on the MXPE. You can get this phone for $200-250 retail nowadays, and yet it still - in my experience - outperforms most skinned 2016 flagships (I'm looking at you, Samsung) in real-world day-to-day usage. Swiping through homescreens and the app drawer, switching between recent apps, that kind of thing - MXPE is still flawless and snappy, where high-dollar flagships like the S7 Edge can choke at times.
Not only that, but I've had zero software issues or bugs of note in my entire 14 months owning MXPEs as my daily driver. My previous two phones - Samsung and HTC - were buggy messes after their first OTA updates, to the point that CM became preferable even from a reliability standpoint.
I value hardware and specs a lot, but I will never own another phone that doesn't run vanilla Android out of the box, period. The 6P and Pixel XL are the *only* upgrade paths I'll consider, and since neither are enough of an upgrade relative to the price jump, I'll just wait til next year.
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I guess between the launchers and the stock modified ROMs I've used on all my Note phones I've been lucky never to experience that kind of thing. Honestly, this Note 5 is snappy for me and gives me no lag issues whatsoever. Like they say, to each their own. Horses for courses and all that.