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Poll - Which phone should I get next? Atom, Mio, or another?

Ladies and Gents:
In approximately 20 days, Mrs Vijay555 is giving birth to Vijay555.1, God willing.
However, more importantly, my phone contract is also coming to an end at the same time, and thus my question to you, should you choose to accept it:
Which phone shall I get next?
I've got a Magician, which I love.
I've got a Universal, which I have a love/hate relationship with. But it's not used as a phone, and won't be.
I'm in a suit all day:
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and so this is a significant factor - small, not a pocket ripper.
The Wizard is unfortunately a bit frumpy for me, like Fat Monica in Friends:
- you know it's got some sexiness in it, but it's a bit too chunky, and it's Omap.
So really, Magician-ish size is pretty much my only criteria.
CPU speed (ARM/OMAP) I can live with, I'll twist it's arm and speed it up either way.
Keyboard would be nice, but not essential.
I want something that'll be available in T minus 20 days.
Which in my mind only really leaves the Atom and the Mio A701. Or perhaps "none of the above"?.
The Mio is a bit "vertically over-challenged", but it's ok. Also slightly plastic fantasic, no?
The Atom seems to be a strong contender.
What do you think? Thanks for listening!
V

i don't really recommend Mio at all, sure i have yet to see if the new one is better, but i've heard really crap reviews about the A700 (i'm seeing alot of 1-2month new ones out for sale 2nd hand too) and i have an A201 GPS model of my own which is in the car as a navigator. the A201 i have has caused me abit of trouble already and i've pratically given up on having it be anything besides a navigation unit for the car. so impressions so far aren't too good of the Mio brand as a whole.
i heard alot of problems with the Atom when it first came out too, but with new firmware updates i'm seeing better reviews and less problems. it does seem to be rather costly though, being almost six thousand hong kong dollars (we don't have many special contract deals with the Atom here) considering an extra 20% or so will get me a brand new Universal outright. price factor aside though it seems to match your needs, the suit, the power, and the size factor. like you say, a strong contender mate. i really don't have a better suggestion.

Ok, here's my two cents: For your Magician, I'd recommend an E-Ten M600. It's stylish (to me, anyways. I like black . But that's subjective) And it can do the job. For your choice of Universal replacement, I would suggest an Advance TC MAGIC. It's not HTC, but wait till you see.
http://www.advancetc.com/

It's pretty amazing that the company would show photos of the phone being held by someone with so much dirt under their fingernails and smudges on the screen. Also, the phone doesn't appear to be very compact; much beefier then the HTC Wizard I think.
--Jas

Like I said... a replacement for his Universal, not for his Magician. I recommended an M600 for that job.

Prophet - you know you want to!! 8)

Good point, forget li'l ol Prophet and Charmer. Cute and the form factor is identical. But I think the Atom has the edge over both in terms of size, and it has a flash.
What say you, TheBrit? Are you happy with it?
V

Ive had both prophet and atom..Much prefer the dopod ..I found the atom to be real buggy this was with the second rom though.. think theres been a few updates since

I went from magician to the Mio A701 and I am really pleased.
I like the fact that it does everything in one unit. Having GPS on it is great to have.
The main thing that took time to get used to was the differences between WM2003 to WM5.
Yes there are a few little niggles but nothing major. It's not noticably larger than the magician. And it comes with great extras in the box (car mount and car charger in particular). It's also noticably faster than the magician was (IMO).

Hi Vj!
After comparing features on www.gsmarena.com between ETEN, Mio, and various HTC devices, I finally settled on the Prophet (sold as imate jamin).
- size
- connectivity (WiFi g, EDGE)
- full size SD
- 2MP camera (not critical but a bonus non the less)
Have received it yet though so cant comment on performance. Will post opinion when it arrives.

After the latest official ROM upgrade of the Atom, you will not regret having it or any of its derivatives :lol:
After xda2, I have had K-jam and currently own both the Prophet and Atom :wink:

Thanks very much for your feedback thus far all.[b/]
Prophet has the advantage that it uses full size SD, which saves me buying another one. And as levenum indicates, it's got a good feature set.
Atom is sexy: victoradjei's post suggests it's working ok now.
flicka's recommendation on the Mio is strong - I'm swayed by a new "toy", ie a feature that'll let me do something new, and I have some ideas about some GPS plugins I want to write, so that'd be nice too.
Sigh, it's all still in the running! What to do, what to do!
V

Yes, getting a new toy can be a challenge when there are so many options. I debated my choice for couple of month, but in the end the availability and price 'helped' me make up my mind.
Here's a suggestion: Assign each quality of the device (design, size, communications, GPS etc.) a value in points. Then calculate the total value for devices you want to choose from and see who gets the highest score. I recommend doing it on paper and not in your head so you wont suddenly decide that full SD worth more than WiFi g instead of b.
Set your goals. Calculate. Go for the winner.
If you don't like it, remember - your contract is not for life, and by the time it expires, there will be a whole new generation of toys out there.

Until I bought the atom I had never seen malloc return NULL. Even after all the upgrades it still fails often at tasks like performing a system snapshot. Ringtones still get choppy at times and it turns itself on for no reason. There is something seriously wrong with the atom. They can hide it from average users but when you try programming on the thing it becomes obvious that it is not that good. Of course you could just code for every possible outcome but its just not an issue on other devices.

OdeeanRDeathshead: very intersting observations, and obviously very important. Difficult scenario either way: code to take into account the Atom's weaknesses, or lose Atom compatibility?
But Windows Mobile is peculiar enough already, having to code for sytem specific bugs is a pain either way My heart goes out to you!
V

vijay555 said:
Good point, forget li'l ol Prophet and Charmer. Cute and the form factor is identical. But I think the Atom has the edge over both in terms of size, and it has a flash.
What say you, TheBrit? Are you happy with it?
V
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Yeah...so far so good.

you're probably looking forward to the next new one by now, but, which did you get?
B

try the asus p525
i updated from xda2 mini that i loved and i still have it, to the asus p525.
2mpixl auto focus flash (one of the best camera for ppc on the market)
wifi,bluetooth 2,infra,normal keypad that is very useful ,i can use it as full speed card reader for my 4 gb mini sd .
b4 i bought the asus i was going for atom, but i saw that asus has the full package that i need .
consider that the atom is the same size or bit smaller then the sda2 mini.
and the asus p525 is 1 cm longer and 2 mm thicker.
PPC-DOC

Artemis (aka the orbit) isn't in the running?

iPhone delima

OK Guys I Have a HTC mogul and it is a really good phone i really like it.. But I am really concidering getting an iPhone.. I like the flow that the iPhone has where I dont get that with my mogul.... My question, Is it worth buying... I will be keeping my mogul, the iPhone will just be xtra for the features... Im not even going to be using the phone, just the data, text, and multimedia features.

Definitely... I used to detest the iPhone till I got my hands on one... and believe me... the Windows UI has a long way to go. I got bored of everything on the iPhone rather quickly but I must say that I am really impressed with how smooth and fluidic everything is. WinMo is **** in that respect. I especially love the Safari Browser... it is such a pleasure to use it to browse. I use my PPC to browse the net only as a last resort...but with Safari, I would find reasons to use it.
At, $400, it's a decnt buy. Go for it... i'd recommend it.

If you have money to burn, then do so.
That said so do I, but I still bring myself to buy it versus a good PDA

I would wait!
You should wait and keep your mogul because an iphone like ui is coming out on new years day.
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check it out in action:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw1T-N5dic

bassplaya said:
You should wait and keep your mogul because an iphone like ui is coming out on new years day.
check it out in action:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw1T-N5dic
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Yo i like your set up you have there if i do get the iPhone it wont be until like the 3rd or 4th... I want to know how to do stuff like your screen... I did have the iphone skin about 2 months ago i wasnt to impressed and it got boring so where do i go to start with the basics like what is a kitchen??

I'd say if you don't plan on using the phone perhaps look into the iPod Touch. You couldn't text or browse out and about, but could with Wifi. Will let you have the interface of the iPhone and keep you from having to pay a large monthly phone fee for services you're mostly not using.

Zyphlin said:
I'd say if you don't plan on using the phone perhaps look into the iPod Touch. You couldn't text or browse out and about, but could with Wifi. Will let you have the interface of the iPhone and keep you from having to pay a large monthly phone fee for services you're mostly not using.
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Well i will be getting on a friend of mines plan and i will pay $29 to use the data and text. the plan i have with my mogul has 3000 min, unlm. text, unlim. data, equipment protection, unlim. n&w, the works basicly and it is only $37 after taxes..... so i figure $70 a month for 2 phones isnt bad

I feel for anybody that needs to ask the question of whether they should or should not get an Iphone.
Being a great lover of the WM and haveing gone through 2003, on and off the WM5 train and now on the WM6 rom (waiting for 6.1) I find at the end of the day the only reason I like WM is that I can play with it.
2 Weeks ago I went in a apple store in the USA (I am from switzerland) and looked at an IPhone. I have to admit its nice, the interface is nice, it flows, you can get the grips of it with a FAT thumb. It has 16gig of ram.
Now I have a Blue Angel, the reason I still have it is due to the fact that I am na old fart and need the 3.5 screen (Iphone has a big one).
I have am 2 gig SD card and can't listen to MP3 of it due to a the speed of the card and the device (IPHONE has 16gig internal).
I have a big fat thumb and am on the 7th or 17th stylist on my BA (have not seen many people taping with a biro on there IPhone (as they lost the stylist)).
I had to buy a new belt to keep my trousers up with my BA (or Kaiser), (Iphone is thin and slick).
My BA has as much sex appele as wet toilet roll. (face it the Iphone looks and feels nice).
So why do I still have a old BA ?
Well I cant play with roms, cook them or spend my nights in XDA.
I have ZERO software that I can download and try.
I cant Sync me works contacts or my privat ones as I happen to work for an organisation that has more than 20'000 people and thus is sort of on the coparte M$ train.
I work on the other Main Land and there is more to our lives than MM/DD/YY and English.
So I stick with a HTC device running on windows mobile and will most likly end up buying a Iphone for my wife.
Life sucks when you have to admit to defeat, HTC get your act together!!! You have to many damb phones that do some things, some have GPS and a small screen, some have a larger screen and no Keyboard, some have a keyboard and no FM Radio. And they are all NOT sexy!!!

Get yourself a Touch Cruise and then you can be the envy of the iFone crowd, you know it makes sense, 3G, GPS and you can "Play" with it, put the iFone screens on the BA and give it the other half (will she notice - probably; so duck quickly) - as an aside I have never lost a stylus from my BA - it is still stuck in the damn thing and refuses to release, I am not going to open it though just for this!

The Touch only has a 2.8 screen that I cant read

ableobject said:
Yo i like your set up you have there if i do get the iPhone it wont be until like the 3rd or 4th... I want to know how to do stuff like your screen... I did have the iphone skin about 2 months ago i wasnt to impressed and it got boring so where do i go to start with the basics like what is a kitchen??
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This is a user interface made by PointUI. Check it out here:http://www.pointui.com/

bassplaya said:
You should wait and keep your mogul because an iphone like ui is coming out on new years day.
check it out in action:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw1T-N5dic
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Well, I love the Kaiser, and just recently switched from the iPhone. This UI, and Windows UI, have a long way to go to compete with the iPhone's.
The thing is, you can't compare the two devices;
iPhone - Heavy in multimedia, Style, INTERNET
Mogul - Business User oriented; satisfactory multimedia use.

bassplaya said:
This is a user interface made by PointUI. Check it out here:http://www.pointui.com/
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Love the interface dude.. Got it but there is one thing i cant get it to do and that is go to the phone when i touch The icon. is there something special that i have to link that button to???

ableobject said:
Love the interface dude.. Got it but there is one thing i cant get it to do and that is go to the phone when i touch The icon. is there something special that i have to link that button to???
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It goes to a recent call list.

The Newest HTC Android Phone (kinda)

Hello everyone,
My name is Shadowline around here. I'm a freelance Photoshop artist, and HTC phone fanatic/addict. One of my current projects and latest interest is in the Google Android platform as a whole. I am a Linux Ubuntu user, and being such, seeing a platform like android come to my most loved possession the AT&T Tilt (Kaiser) and other phones to come in the future has me jumping for joy.
Now some people do not like HTC phones because of lack of support, lack of drivers, or something else completely. But I personally love the HTC phones just for the fact of how usable they are, how shiny and sexy they are, and for how many of us here at XDA are constantly adding to the feature list of our little plastic/metallic friends that follow us everywhere.
So enough of the back story of what you are here for, here's to all of those who still prefer something HTC over an iPhone anyday.
I present to you, the HTC Android Phone codenamed Centurion.
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Based on a mix of the Kaiser, the Diamond, and preloaded with the Android operating system.
It only has 3 hardware buttons (plus 4 way trackpad,) from left to right, Phone Dialer Quickbutton, Move (4-way directional) select (center button,) and home.
It has a slide out keyboard, and a 1280x720 (720p) Multitouch screen that fits flush with the casing around it and is 4.5in from top to bottom. Filled with all the usual features, GPS, HSDPA, WIFI, Bluetooth, FM Radio, and 3mp Camera, plus a few additions, and is based around the NVidia APX 2500.
It is a little on the large side due to the screen that is on it.
Let me know what you think, and would you buy it if it was out today?
And what are your likes/dislikes about it? anything to improve? anything to add/remove?

And a photo of the Centurion taken from my kaiser.

U got great skills with Photoshop mate

thank you. Im glad you like it. took me abut 2 hours to finish. lol

nice project but u forget to set phone display to widescreen

omg
if this were realy... THIS would realy be the iphone killer.... for once...
a real iphone killer... lol

Very slick looks and has a killer potential! Do u have a side view on it's "dream" thickness & a guess at it's weight?

nice project but u forget to set phone display to widescreen
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lol, I still have yet to see android in landscape mode, but I might photoshop that in, and finish work on the keyboard. (at least the newer version...)
Glad everyone likes it so far. I know I've fallen in love with it and keep imagining my kaiser to look like that every time I run android.
I might also work on a side view. I've never done that before so I will have to give it a go. And as far as weight goes, I havent thought about it much, but I'd guess it would be slightly heavier than the kaiser seeing as it is larger to fit the larger screen.

very nice looking phone. i hope htc are looking!

Thank you, I will attempt to finish it, and to make one more picture of it on its side for everyone as soon as I get my PC back. It caught a cold (virus) and I am in the middle of reinstalling windows just to fix a boatload of issues I was having.

a 1280 X720 screen would be nice, but the current wide screen res for WM devices is 800 X 480 !

I voted maybe as I want a dedicated number row like the new vario 4, this setup is what is putting me off the xperia

nice topic!
I voted no .. cuz i love my Pharos and want to put Android on it (saw that TI gave a demo of Android running on an OMAP 850 device)
but in a year or a little later maybe Id definately buy one!

Very sexy...

Looks good, hopefully it will be pumped up with memory when it comes out,like 1gb RAM ,2gb of ROM and at least 8gb of storage!!
but first....TOUCH PRO

shadowline said:
Hello everyone,
My name is Shadowline around here. I'm a freelance Photoshop artist, and HTC phone fanatic/addict. One of my current projects and latest interest is in the Google Android platform as a whole. I am a Linux Ubuntu user, and being such, seeing a platform like android come to my most loved possession the AT&T Tilt (Kaiser) and other phones to come in the future has me jumping for joy.
Now some people do not like HTC phones because of lack of support, lack of drivers, or something else completely. But I personally love the HTC phones just for the fact of how usable they are, how shiny and sexy they are, and for how many of us here at XDA are constantly adding to the feature list of our little plastic/metallic friends that follow us everywhere.
So enough of the back story of what you are here for, here's to all of those who still prefer something HTC over an iPhone anyday.
I present to you, the HTC Android Phone codenamed Centurion.
Based on a mix of the Kaiser, the Diamond, and preloaded with the Android operating system.
It only has 3 hardware buttons (plus 4 way trackpad,) from left to right, Phone Dialer Quickbutton, Move (4-way directional) select (center button,) and home.
It has a slide out keyboard, and a 1280x720 (720p) Multitouch screen that fits flush with the casing around it and is 4.5in from top to bottom. Filled with all the usual features, GPS, HSDPA, WIFI, Bluetooth, FM Radio, and 3mp Camera, plus a few additions, and is based around the NVidia APX 2500.
It is a little on the large side due to the screen that is on it.
Let me know what you think, and would you buy it if it was out today?
And what are your likes/dislikes about it? anything to improve? anything to add/remove?
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i remember some years, when i had a nokia 6220 i used a flash theme like that. Android has grown a lot since

please fellas Help me decide,!htc desire or nexus 1

ok i got t mobile here in the USA,and i need a phone now and i look around in the forums but none of them say which one is better,i did a search and all i could find was they are almost identical except for the htc desire has sense ,and nexus don't have it .or can i get sense on nexus with that be any problem< cause i am waiting on your guys response to go ahead and buy one right this minute, thanks fellas....

Hope this comparative helps you to make a decision:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2120&id2=2200
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Personally I would choose Desire.

thanks, i see the only diff.is fm radio and more ram on the desire everything else is exactly the same .but does any one know if tmobile usa is getting it or i have to spend a couple of hundred bucks to get one over seas...or just get nexus.....? what do you think..

The desire: is sexier, has better RAM, is thinner without compromising the screen size, have tactile buttons that makes you certain that you pressed a function key, and have an optical track-pad.
Keep in mind that if you have sticky hands due to sticky food, beverages, work, and etc, than you shouldn't get the Nexus 1. Once those things are in your trackball, you literally can't get them out. And once they are in, than the trackball will stop working, just like every other BlackBerry with those trackballs.
Basically, the Desire is better than the Nexus 1.
If you are buying a Desire in regards to Nexus 1 as a contender, than get the Desire.
If you have a Nexus 1 and a decided to buy a Desire, than you are making a huge mistake because you aren't getting enough improvements through this upgrade.
There you have it! The word upgrade should answer everything.

thanks ,i knew it desire was better,tmobile just told me that if i get desire it wouldn't work here in los angeles ,so guess i have to stick with nexus,and i will save 250 buck too, oh well may be in a couple of month i give this one to my chick and i get a better one lol

I don't think there is a desire available with t-mobile's 3g bands while there is a nexus with them, so you might want to consider that.

I personally like the look of the N1 better, but that is completely subjective. Whether you think sense UI is worth it is completely subjective too. Same with the capacitive buttons.
The only thing that objectively makes the desire better is the FM radio, and a bit more ram (which will be required by sense anyway).
The nexus one has a noise cancelling speaker for when you are on calls, and i don't know if the desire is rootable yet.
According to the site linked, the nexus one is slightly thinner.
Also i used 2 blackberrys over 2 years and only had trackball problems on the older model, which was second hand anyway. The trackball is the primary navigation tool on the BB, it is only secondary, or thirdary on the N1, so i don't believe it to be an issue.

maxh said:
I don't think there is a desire available with t-mobile's 3g bands while there is a nexus with them, so you might want to consider that.
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out of 3 operator i talk to only one of them told (he knew waz up in the scene) me exactly what your saying that's when i came to my mind of getting a n1 i just hope i dont get any problems on it ,cause i just bought the phone about 20 minutes ago ....

liam.lah said:
I personally like the look of the N1 better, but that is completely subjective. Whether you think sense UI is worth it is completely subjective too. Same with the capacitive buttons.
The only thing that objectively makes the desire better is the FM radio, and a bit more ram (which will be required by sense anyway).
The nexus one has a noise cancelling speaker for when you are on calls, and i don't know if the desire is rootable yet.
According to the site linked, the nexus one is slightly thinner.
Also i used 2 blackberrys over 2 years and only had trackball problems on the older model, which was second hand anyway. The trackball is the primary navigation tool on the BB, it is only secondary, or thirdary on the N1, so i don't believe it to be an issue.
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yeah your right is not going to be the primary just like bb, well thanks to all you guys for all the advise..peace

Its a matter or personal preference I'm afraid...the specs bewteen the devices or almost identical. I'm getting the HTC Desire (hopefully within the next week), but again this is just my own personal preference as I think its better

I now have the Desire - and I'm not regretting my choice. SenseUI is good, and the speed of the phone (when compared to an outgoing Hero) is immense. I've also owned an iPhone in the past, and I can honestly say that this phone trumps the Apple effort (except in Apps).
I would recommend the phone to anyone - but once someone sees it, they don't need recommendations.

Best value for money WM phone

Hi guys
I'm looking for a good value for money windows mobile phone.
It has to have
Touch Screen
QWERTY keyboard
At least 128MB of ram
At least 400mhz CPU
Decent battery life.
Mini USB connection
Good ROM development.
I have owned
HTC S630 (64mb & 200mhz)
Imate 8502 (Good specs but no rom development)
Samsung C6625 (Good specs but not touch screen and little rom dev)
I've been looking at the HP Ipaq data messenger (£150 new ebay) but I hear its got a crap battery life.
I'm not looking to spend £300 ($500) on a phone!
Something perhaps around £180.
Has to be pay as you go. I avoid contracts like a plague!
Thanks.

get a kaiser / tilt

HTC all the way
Rhodium is the best hardware keyboard device you can find this days.
It´s a great piece of work with a great design.
You won´t regret it.
With some luck you can find a tmobile version very cheap this days, have a look on marketplace section

MoneyFist said:
I've been looking at the HP Ipaq data messenger (£150 new ebay) but I hear its got a crap battery life.
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Do NOT, I repeat, NOT get an iPAQ DM. I have it laying in front of me here. It fails on so many levels it ain't even funny. Let me name all bad things about it:
1. The battery lasts 1 day with luck.
2. Getting a GPS lock can easily take 10 minutes.
3. It has the standard Windows Mobile UI, which blows.
4. Even if you install SPB Mobile Shell, be prepared for lockups.
5. The keyboard is crap. It doesn't type good at all, I had the phone for 7 months and I still ain't that fast on it.
6. My 'E' and 'V' button begin having troubles early on. Where I had to press extra hard to use them.
7. Pretty much no chance at WinMo 6.5.x, as the boot loader is encrypted.
8. The QVGA screen is near useless.
9. The camera is completely useless. It has no autofocus, is blurry as hell. And taking a picture can take 5 seconds. And if you want to delete the picture or take a new one, it's gonna load 5 minutes again.
10. Unless you're using some simple WiFi encryption like WEP, don't expect to have a connection all the time.
11. All the hardware buttons on the side are way too hard to press.
12. It has no Mini USB, it looks like it, but it's some HP-proprietary nonsense.
13. ROM development is 0.0, like I said, encrypted.
14. It failed so hard, HP canceled production of it not long after it was released.
15. Just don't get this phone. You'll regret it.

kekkle said:
Do NOT, I repeat...Just don't get this phone. You'll regret it.
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Tell us how you really feel. LOL

my suggestion is no matter what qwerty keyboard phone u get DO NOT GET THE SE XPERIA X1 that phone have a 512 cpu and i think like a 800 mbs on. im currently using it and im VERY unhappy with the phone. i was hoping it to be better then it should be. if u dont drops your phone or anything i would suggest a Nokia N97 or a Nokia N900
i personally would give a rating of the X1 from a 3 outta 5.
some people are havin problems with the bluetooth(headset) on the x1 and i am too.(bluetooth static noise) i personally dont like the virbration of the phone,the loudness. the phone is VERY low when is on max. and when i have the phone in my pocket i TOTALY dont feel the phone virbrating in my pocket.and most of the time the Camera frezzes on me and that lead into a phone freeze.i had a Nokia N97 and im very happy with it. i thought the SE X1 would be better then the N97 and stupid enough to sold the N97. EXTREMELY UNHaPPY WITH SE X1. AND VERY UNHAPPY WITH SE COUSTOMER SERVICES! im saying that because my phone is still under warrently, my phone having problems they're gunna make me pay 200$ to get my phone fix.. i would highly suggest N97.
N97 space is by G and the CPU is 1GHZ

orb3000 said:
Rhodium is the best hardware keyboard device you can find this days.
It´s a great piece of work with a great design.
You won´t regret it.
With some luck you can find a tmobile version very cheap this days, have a look on marketplace section
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+1...the Rhodium is great, and nails every one of your requirements

This ones easy. If you want to pay $250 - $300 get an HD2, if you want to pay $100 - $250 get a Touch Pro 2/Tilt2/Rhodium. Both are abosolutely killer phones and you can pick them up second hand for pennies on the dollar. I say an HD2 because you think you have to have a real KB but after using the HD2 touch KB you won't need it anymore. I bought a mint ATT TILT2 for $150 the other day, then I bought an HD2 kit with everything and less then 5 hours on the phone total for $250. Everyone is selling their smart phones to pay the $300 for the new iphone so you can get phones for nothing now in local classifieds.

krook6023 said:
Tell us how you really feel. LOL
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Hehe, there's only one thing I really miss from the phone. That is the mute slider on top. As it allows you to quickly put the phone on vibrate and back on sound. Especially great in meetings. You just slide your hand in your pocket and do it quickly without even having to get it out.
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+1 Rhodium