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Based on a leak I read on Android Community there may be a launch today. I know that 2.3.5 OTA had stuff in it to enable using NFC payments. I doubt ROM's such as CM7 will be able to use it. Anybody else hear anything.
That would be cool! It should work on CM7.
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Will this only work with Nexus 4G? What about Nexus S GSM with 2.3.5 ROM like CM7 nightly?
Same question here. Why would they launch it only for the 4g when the 3g is equally capable?
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Same question here. Why would they launch it only for the 4g when the 3g is equally capable?
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Because Google partnered with Sprint to develop it as an alternative to efforts that were already in progress.
T-Mobile is partnered with AT&T and Verizon with Isis for their mobile payments. Rumor so far is that T-Mobile is resisting allowing it on their network due to their involvement with Isis.
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Will this only work with Nexus 4G? What about Nexus S GSM with 2.3.5 ROM like CM7 nightly?
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It's yet to be seen if it will work outside of Sprint's network initially. I hope so, but testing should be simple enough once the apk is available.
Wow. The consumer loses out again.
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Wow. The consumer loses out again.
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That's yet to be seen, but potentially yes. I would love to use Google Wallet personally and hope that it will work on T-Mobile's network (immediately would be great) using a 2.3.5 ROM.
Unfortunately you've got the credit card companies and carriers both scrambling for the tiny margin that exists within this business and the credit card companies trying not to lose any of the slim profit they earn on each purchase. So they are all scheming together to get the best deal for everyone without giving up too much. The consumer isn't much of a driving force as much as they continue to be a vehicle for profit and business.
Both groups are trying to determine how to do deployment of hardware to POS sites and who is going to bear this cost so that a roll out can be effective without putting undue burden on merchants (who would likely reject it if they had to bear the initial cost before wide spread adoption). If they can't get merchants to adopt it then it will never be available to consumers to even have a chance at success. It's quite tricky given the limited market.
Personally I love how Google Wallet looks and the integration it promises with coupons, loyalty cards and eventually digital receipts. If a competing standard does come to light I hope that it is a similarly robust solution.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-2...launching-today-signs-point-to-yes/?tag=mncol
Doesn't seem to mention Nexus S 4G nor restrictions other than needing to have Nexus S phone and MasterCard.
However, there are a few barriers to entry to get Google Wallet running. For one, users need the Android-based Nexus S smartphone, which has an NFC chip in it. In addition, the service is only available with MasterCard's PayPass system. According to the Google Wallet site, the service will work with Citi MasterCard credit cards and the Google PrePaid Card. In addition, Google Wallet can store "gift cards from participating merchants," Google says.
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droidance said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-2...launching-today-signs-point-to-yes/?tag=mncol
Doesn't seem to mention Nexus S 4G nor restrictions other than needing to have Nexus S phone and MasterCard.
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Perhaps Cnet should stop being lazy and look at Google's own FAQ on wallet. http://www.google.com/wallet/faq.html
Can I use Google Wallet with my phone?
Google Wallet with tap and pay will be compatible with Nexus S 4G by Google, available on Sprint®.
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Google stated during the Google Wallet presentation a while back that it would launch on the NS4G and Sprint exclusively but they were working with other carriers to also bring it to the GSM Nexus S. They were not going to do it without carrier consent though seemed to be the implication.
http://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=google+wallet
an article posted a few hours ago is 404
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/samsung-nexus-s-4g-updated-to-support-google-wallet/
Update to NS4G? Guess NS can't just run .apk like that...
Tenhi said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/samsung-nexus-s-4g-updated-to-support-google-wallet/
Update to NS4G? Guess NS can't just run .apk like that...
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Potentially - we'll see what's in the update package. I'm sure the APK itself will be written in the /system partition - necessitating an update package to write it there. We'll see what else gets pushed on top of an AOSP build with it.
I really dislike all this proprietary, walled garden technology making the rounds these days. That anyone would potentially have to factor in their preferred credit card company in choosing which cell phone network to use is ludicrous.
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Is there someone here who knows the location and filename(s) of where exactly the SMS data is stored. All I want to do is copy those files off the XDA2 and then do a hard reset and then copy the files back onto it, everything else is fully backed up already.
Thank you
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Blame your carrier for that.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268948
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Google tweet
Any way of pulling the .APK so it will work on a Nexus S 4g running MIUI?
My hope is we will be able to simply build Android 2.3.7 from source for Crespo.
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I am on sprint nexus s 4g and haven't seen **** yet. Can't see it in market either.
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Any way of pulling the .APK so it will work on a Nexus S 4g running MIUI?
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bump, looking for the same thing.
After having google wallet working flawlessly on NSCollab Sprint 1.0.51 I decided to try the ICS roms that were available. Everytime I went to set my account back up I would get the message "Error adding Card". So I went back to my backup of NSCollab Sprint 1.0.51 where it originally worked. So when I went to wallet it gave me a message saying that my bank had removed my card and to call this number. The man I talked to at google basically informed me that wallet doesn't support custom roms. It goes by the original stock rom ( even though NSCollab Sprint 1.0.51 wasn't stock) and the google wallet app knows its on something else. Here is the letter I received from google:
Hi Ronald,
Thank you for calling Google Wallet. You called us regarding Your Google
Pre-Paid Card not showing your balance.
Please be aware that unauthorized operating systems or rooted devices may
have limited or compromised functionality.
Such device configurations are not supported by Google Wallet and may
expose security risks. We strongly discourage use of the Google Wallet app
on such devices.
Samsung Nexus S support:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/GT-I9020FSTTMB
It was a pleasure assisting you today. Feel free to contact us again if
you have any additional questions regarding Google Wallet or visit our
Help Center at:
http://www.google.com/support/wallet
Sincerely,
Daran
The Google Wallet Team
Maybe this is old news to some but I didn't know this. So it looks like google wallet is pretty much useless unless you stay with the same rom? It seems to me though I have seen people post that they signed back in to there original accounts fine after flashing and had there balance still there. Anyone have any idea of a way around this and have gotten there wallet working after flashing from one rom to another?
there is a thread explaining how to get it to work with icc in the themes and apps section...it works for me on ics no problems at all
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neo_x22000 said:
there is a thread explaining how to get it to work with icc in the themes and apps section...it works for me on ics no problems at all
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I have done that and it doesn't work for me. I have tried many different ways, setups..I have wiped and flashed till im blue in the face.
This one works great.. But only of you read the instructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18576428
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I've been using Wallet on Bugless Beast GPA19 for some time now without issue, but from the reports I have read from other users, it can be very finicky. It seems that it has to be installed or baked into a ROM with clean data (at least to start). Some folks will get the Market updates for Wallet and others won't. If your device won't update from the Market and you try to manually update to the latest version of Wallet, it can cause Wallet to stop functioning. I actually had this happen to me and I needed to restore a Nandroid to get it working again.
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This one works great.. But only of you read the instructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18576428
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I did this also and it does the same thing and I did read the instructions. It acts like it going to work but just get that damn error adding card.
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Here is news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/02/google-wallet-nexus-atandt/
I thought Google wallet requires the secure element that our phones don't have? I believe unless Google wallet is updated to use the sim as a secure element we won't get it. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Doesn't it run off of the nfc chip. The software would encrypt it right?
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Yes it uses NFC for the communications but Google wallet uses the secure element which is not in all NFC enabled phones(meaning it's not in ours but it's in the nexus S and galaxy nexus). without the secure element Google Wallet won't work unless they update it to work without a secure element. the secure element is not just software, it's an actual physical feature that is missing from our phones.
Also I just installed the latest Google Wallet from the market on the phone and got an "insufficient secure element" error message so I suppose this argument holds water.
People have suggested that AT&T could issue the secure element by sending out new sim cards that have it included.
But we all know how slow AT&T can be...maybe by 2015 the Skyrocket will have it.
So the fact that our phone had nfc is useless. One would think there should be a standard.
Lol I don't know anybody else with a skyrocket therefore the nfc chips is 100% useless if I can't pay with it either. Lol
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Has anyone gotten ISIS working?
My local Verizon store swears that even though jellybean just released today that today they also revoked support for ISIS because of problems.
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Has anyone gotten ISIS working?
My local Verizon store swears that even though jellybean just released today that today they also revoked support for ISIS because of problems.
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Google Wallet works better. You should root your phone and try that
Yes I have Google wallet. Wanted to try it ISIS since I live in one of the test areas. Compare the two. Verizon fail all over the place.
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You have to have the special NFC sim cards for ISIS to work.
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Hmmm maybe I will start an Isis thread eventually...... tba
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So I picked up an nfc sim. Still nada. Can't see ISIS in mobile market and through Web says my SGS3 is incompatible. Oh well guess I won't compare and I'll just stick with Google wallet.
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Incase anyone else is interested Verizon fixed the problem overnight. So you can now install ISIS btw you don't need the nfc sim installed to install the app. Not sure about actually using /setting it up. I believe you will need that sim to do anything in the app.
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Incase anyone else is interested Verizon fixed the problem overnight. So you can now install ISIS btw you don't need the nfc sim installed to install the app. Not sure about actually using /setting it up. I believe you will need that sim to do anything in the app.
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I'm In Michigan and I installed the app but it would not let me set it up. So I tweeted to verizonsupport and they sent me a SIM card that is compatible with Isis. I received the SIM card today and setup the account. I also recieved the free ten dollars. So now i have to see if it works at a store.
I encourage everybody to pass on ISIS and the carriers bull****.
Help a n00b out... where can you actually use Isis? I have Google Wallet working on my Nexus 7 and have used it at a few places...much to the astonishment of employees and customers... but even there, very limited support.
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Help a n00b out... where can you actually use Isis? I have Google Wallet working on my Nexus 7 and have used it at a few places...much to the astonishment of employees and customers... but even there, very limited support.
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ISIS supports the same services (paypass, paywave, etc) that wallet supports. So basically you should be able to use it at the same locations.
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jdiamond7 said:
ISIS supports the same services (paypass, paywave, etc) that wallet supports. So basically you should be able to use it at the same locations.
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I just got the OTA from VZW last week and since I saw ISIS in the change list I figured I'd give it a go even though I'm in NY not SLC/Austin.
I called Verizon and they sent me a NFC SIM, and I still had trouble getting it to go but I got it eventually. It was a pain in the neck to set up and add cards but I got it going. On Amex's page about ISIS it says: "Use it where American Express contactless payments are accepted.* Just look for the universal symbol for contactless payments or signs that say "Isis Ready™."
by saying "or" it seems to imply not just in ISIS ready places like SLC/Austin, but anywhere AMEX ExPay is accepted, which is all over the country! I didn't see the same about Chase.
I'll give it a go today in NY and I'll let you know if it worked.
Overall, I must say so far, I like the app better than Google Wallet. It seems like they charge the card direct as opposed to Google which has a system of charging their virtual MC first then charging you, (This could be dis-advantageous regarding benefits that the card would give you, like bonus points at certain category merchants etc.). The only major problem is that it only takes Chase, Amex, and Cap1. but that isn't such a problem for me because I pretty much only use Chase and Amex cards.
I've got it installed, but it will not let me set it up. I live in Pittsburgh, so it may not be a test area. It's strange that it kicks me out of the app though.
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I've got it installed, but it will not let me set it up. I live in Pittsburgh, so it may not be a test area. It's strange that it kicks me out of the app though.
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Do you have a NFC SIM? you'll need one for it to work and Verizon will send you one free.
I live in New York and I haven't had an issue setting it up.
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I just got the OTA from VZW last week and since I saw ISIS in the change list I figured I'd give it a go even though I'm in NY not SLC/Austin.
I called Verizon and they sent me a NFC SIM, and I still had trouble getting it to go but I got it eventually. It was a pain in the neck to set up and add cards but I got it going. On Amex's page about ISIS it says: "Use it where American Express contactless payments are accepted.* Just look for the universal symbol for contactless payments or signs that say "Isis Ready™."
by saying "or" it seems to imply not just in ISIS ready places like SLC/Austin, but anywhere AMEX ExPay is accepted, which is all over the country! I didn't see the same about Chase.
I'll give it a go today in NY and I'll let you know if it worked.
Overall, I must say so far, I like the app better than Google Wallet. It seems like they charge the card direct as opposed to Google which has a system of charging their virtual MC first then charging you, (This could be dis-advantageous regarding benefits that the card would give you, like bonus points at certain category merchants etc.). The only major problem is that it only takes Chase, Amex, and Cap1. but that isn't such a problem for me because I pretty much only use Chase and Amex cards.
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Update: I successfully used ISIS to pay at a Brooklyn, NY RiteAid store. I had it set to use a Amex card and I checked straight away and there was a pending charge that appeared normal (unlike Google Wallet transactions which would show up as GOOGNFC*name-of-merchant). When I tried to pay, nothing was happening, so I took off the slim case I have on the back of my phone (GW never had any problems working through this case) and then tried again. Even then nothing happened, I was about to give up and began to pull out my wallet to get a real card, when the terminal came to life and said "Processing Contacless Payment". I'm not sure if it managed to read through my case or if it only read after I removed the case, but if it's the latter, that might be due to the fact that ISIS doesn't utilize the built in NFC chip rather it uses the one embedded into the SIM which is obviously much smaller (the built in one relies on an antenna as big as the battery) and therefore has a much shorter range.
The bottom line is so far I still like it better than GW, my only concern is that it mentioned that if it detects unusual root access in the OS, it will not operate. I don't plan on staying stock unrooted for too much longer!
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Update: I successfully used ISIS to pay at a Brooklyn, NY RiteAid store. I had it set to use a Amex card and I checked straight away and there was a pending charge that appeared normal (unlike Google Wallet transactions which would show up as GOOGNFC*name-of-merchant). When I tried to pay, nothing was happening, so I took off the slim case I have on the back of my phone (GW never had any problems working through this case) and then tried again. Even then nothing happened, I was about to give up and began to pull out my wallet to get a real card, when the terminal came to life and said "Processing Contacless Payment". I'm not sure if it managed to read through my case or if it only read after I removed the case, but if it's the latter, that might be due to the fact that ISIS doesn't utilize the built in NFC chip rather it uses the one embedded into the SIM which is obviously much smaller (the built in one relies on an antenna as big as the battery) and therefore has a much shorter range.
The bottom line is so far I still like it better than GW, my only concern is that it mentioned that if it detects unusual root access in the OS, it will not operate. I don't plan on staying stock unrooted for too much longer!
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Update 2: The transaction cleared and now shows a "Isis RITEAID...." just adding the word Isis in front of what would be there anyway.
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I thought I should add, I've successfully used Isis in a lot of places and it works fine even with my case on. The last 4 digits of the credit card number used that appear on the receipt are different from the real number
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I just noticed that Walgreens is not activating any of their nfc payment systems because of security issues and just today I found out that wawa gas stations no longer have them due to some type of issues they were having with malware with their system. Seems more companies are discontinuing their use over setting the systems up.
I hope they get this supposed security problem figured out soon. I love using my phone to pay.
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I just noticed that Walgreens is not activating any of their nfc payment systems because of security issues and just today I found out that wawa gas stations no longer have them due to some type of issues they were having with malware with their system. Seems more companies are discontinuing their use over setting the systems up.
I hope they get this supposed security problem figured out soon. I love using my phone to pay.
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This was only ever a pipe dream to be honest. Too many ways it can be hacked, far too insecure for real world use.
Far, far too unsafe for public use. You can hack it with stickers for goodness sake.
Not to mention, people are far too moronic in the way and guard they use their phones to make this work. On an average day at Uni, I see about 200 phones I could nick without them noticing it. And consequentially use to pay for anything, because apparently people are not smart enough to realize that a pattern lock leaves a fingertrail. And their code is pretty much always a date of relevance. Which they've undoubtably mentioned somewhere on their Facebook.
I don't think the reason is security on the phone but on the unit in the store. The phone itself is more secure than using a debit card. If someone steals your card they are able to use it at most stores without ever being asked for id. My phone not only has a passcode but once you try to use the wallet app it asks for another code. Overall I think the security issue is with the store and if that can be resolved nfc payments can continue.
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This was only ever a pipe dream to be honest. Too many ways it can be hacked, far too insecure for real world use.
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When you say hacked, do you mean the phone or the unit at the store?
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ShadowLea said:
Far, far too unsafe for public use. You can hack it with stickers for goodness sake.
Not to mention, people are far too moronic in the way and guard they use their phones to make this work. On an average day at Uni, I see about 200 phones I could nick without them noticing it. And consequentially use to pay for anything, because apparently people are not smart enough to realize that a pattern lock leaves a fingertrail. And their code is pretty much always a date of relevance. Which they've undoubtably mentioned somewhere on their Facebook.
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I love people who speak with authority about things they clearly know nothing about. "Hack it with stickers"? You're delusional.
Mobile NFC payments are far more secure than any other form of physical payment.
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I love people who speak with authority about things they clearly know nothing about. "Hack it with stickers"? You're delusional.
Mobile NFC payments are far more secure than any other form of physical payment.
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I'd be a little more convinced if your name wasn't "LoveNFC".
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I'd be a little more convinced if your name wasn't "LoveNFC".
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If you could provide details about how a sticker can hack nfc then maybe you could have a point. But as far as all the research I have done nfc payments are more secure than paying with a debit card.
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If you could provide details about how a sticker can hack nfc then maybe you could have a point. But as far as all the research I have done nfc payments are more secure than paying with a debit card.
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Because the NFC tag can be set to many things like storing and sending the info used to pay. And it doesnt take much to reprogram the tag, They are about as safe as a debt card which we all know is not 100%
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Because the NFC tag can be set to many things like storing and sending the info used to pay. And it doesnt take much to reprogram the tag, They are about as safe as a debt card which we all know is not 100%
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What tag are you talking about. The phones use an nfc chip and the stores use an nfc system. No one uses a sticker. The stickers your talking about are the ones sold that can let you perform tasks on your phone. What do they have to do with making secure payments from the phone.
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What tag are you talking about. The phones use an nfc chip and the stores use an nfc system. No one uses a sticker. The stickers your talking about are the ones sold that can let you perform tasks on your phone. What do they have to do with making secure payments from the phone.
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Its the Same tech. I installed these in a few stores and saw how easy it would be to allow it to be reprogrammed.
That's why just like if you see a weird looking atm and don't use it you should not use an nfc scanner. Plus you can tell if their is some weird sticker on the nfc scanner. And this proves again that using your phone is not unsecure it's the system that is at the store that can be compromised by idiots. Plus if your Google wallet app doesn't activate after swiping then that should be an indication of something going wrong. Plus those nfc task stickers do not have access to the Google wallet app. So what your saying is flawed and not the reason why stores are removing the units. I think the units are being tampered with by people or the store employees and stores don't want to deal with this. With updated nfc systems this security issue can be resolved. It's just a matter if this makes money for Google. If it doesn't they will just scrap it
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Far, far too unsafe for public use. You can hack it with stickers for goodness sake.
Not to mention, people are far too moronic in the way and guard they use their phones to make this work. On an average day at Uni, I see about 200 phones I could nick without them noticing it. And consequentially use to pay for anything, because apparently people are not smart enough to realize that a pattern lock leaves a fingertrail. And their code is pretty much always a date of relevance. Which they've undoubtably mentioned somewhere on their Facebook.
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Just found out there's a new more secure nfc payment system. Saw it for the first time at toysrus. The swipe area for nfc payments is built in right to the touchscreen where you would enter prompts. This is a lot more secure and a solution to all these so called sticker problems. No one can put a sticker on the screen as it will block everyone from using it. Hopefully nfc payments get back on track. Just used mine at cvs and McDonald's
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