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http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-says-bootloader-unlock-tool-coming-gps-hard-yall
so, I know I personally am absolutely 100% enraged to read about this, since we still haven't heard anything about an official ota for NS4G.
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
Ya, it is a bit disturbing.
Well, the work week just started back up for them, so maybe we will hear something in the next couple days?
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http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-says-bootloader-unlock-tool-coming-gps-hard-yall
so, I know I personally am absolutely 100% enraged to read about this, since we still haven't heard anything about an official ota for NS4G.
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Sprint says we'll be "among the first" to updates, not "the first".
hp420 said:
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
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I'd be amazed if this is Google's doing.
Sprint's website says "It runs Android™ 2.3 (Gingerbread) the latest version of Android for smartphones." They're the ones that are clueopenic, not Google.
Don't get me wrong: I'm plenty annoyed at not getting OTA ICS. It's just that I don't actually expect Sprint to live up to their promises, since this is not something they've ever tended to do in the past. Sprint users go through this with every software update for every platform on every phone.
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Sprint says we'll be "among the first" to updates, not "the first".
I'd be amazed if this is Google's doing.
Sprint's website says "It runs Android™ 2.3 (Gingerbread) the latest version of Android for smartphones." They're the ones that are clueopenic, not Google.
Don't get me wrong: I'm plenty annoyed at not getting OTA ICS. It's just that I don't actually expect Sprint to live up to their promises, since this is not something they've ever tended to do in the past. Sprint users go through this with every software update for every platform on every phone.
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The update does come directly from Google. Sprint works with Samsung to create proprietary hardware drivers that contain everything you need to access Sprint's cell phone network. These drivers are then made available in binary only form to Google. Google then adds these drivers to their official build. The final product is then delivered directly from Google to your Nexus S 4G phone.
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this quote came from sprint community forums. http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/380145#380145
Sprint does NOT provide our update...google does. Google is falling behind, and they need to be held accountable for their screw-ups. Just because they didn't say "NS4G will be the first" does not make it acceptable for 3rd parties to get an update before they can even get off their lazy asses just to push a button for their OFFICIAL FIRST-PARTY USERS. Everything we need is on their server for download, and if devs here can get off their asses top compile this rom, google sure as hell can do the same!!!
No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
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No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
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Source or GTFO. And we've already got the drivers, I'm using ICS on my NS4G right now. 4g and everything.
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No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
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lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
I'm not saying you're wrong, but in my opinion, it does not look like it's sprint's fault. It looks like Google is either lazy about releasing it, or they are too dumb to build a rom that's working properly so it's stuck in pre-release testing. However, this is just my opinion....but as far as actually building/releasing the OTA, that is 100% on google's end. whether or not the authorization is coming/has to come from sprint is another story entirely....the point is, if that is the case, google isn't doing their jobs and telling them to screw themselves so they don't look like the bad guy in this!! It's not sprint who will have the damaged reputation after this is all said & done.
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Source or GTFO. And we've already got the drivers, I'm using ICS on my NS4G right now. 4g and everything.
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<shrug> it's the way it's always worked.
This worked in our favor earlier when Sprint okayed deployment of Google Wallet on our devices and GSM users were foaming at the mouth to get it. In those cases, too, it wasn't Google (which has excellent reasons for getting Wallet into as many hands as possible) but the carriers which held up release.
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lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
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No.
What is the connection between having all the files on the server and Sprint's approval of a final release version?
In your earlier quote lifted from another site, the poster was saying the updates are pushed from Google's servers, not Sprints. That's correct. However, they can't just start pushing updates without carrier approval. This is why, for example, T-Mobile got ICS before ATT.
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<shrug> it's the way it's always worked.
This worked in our favor earlier when Sprint okayed deployment of Google Wallet on our devices and GSM users were foaming at the mouth to get it. In those cases, too, it wasn't Google (which has excellent reasons for getting Wallet into as many hands as possible) but the carriers which held up release.
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No.
What is the connection between having all the files on the server and Sprint's approval of a final release version?
In your earlier quote lifted from another site, the poster was saying the updates are pushed from Google's servers, not Sprints. That's correct. However, they can't just start pushing updates without carrier approval. This is why, for example, T-Mobile got ICS before ATT.
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that was a result of carriers' investment in other companies that developed very similar software to google wallet....exactly the same as when the GN was delayed for verizon because google wanted wallet on their official device and verizon had a coronary about it because they had already backed another company's software that does exactly the same thing.
as for carrier approval, google can only wait so long before they just snap and push the update anyway. carriers can not make the rest of the world wait for an update just because they don't want it released to their devices yet. Google needs to just ***** slap sprint, tell them to shut the hell up, and push the update before this damages their reputation any more than it already has. Like I said, it won't be sprint whose rep is damaged from all of this, just like no one looks towards verizon for the GN delay...the world will blame google, and they aren't even standing up for themselves.
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lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
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Sure, they could build ICS for the NS4G but the 4G radio wouldn't work. Drivers aren't part of AOSP.
Also, didn't Google pulled the ICS update for the (tmobile) Nexus S? If that's still true, they're clearly working out the issues with ICS before releasing it to the NS4G, etc.
It is most likely *not* Googles doing. I don't know where half of you get these crack pot ideas from that Google or any other OEM is in control over how and when they push an update.
- OEM builds ROM
- OEM submits ROM to carriers (i.e. Sprint branded phone would require Sprint to approve the update).
Carriers can be total dicks about updates and providing OTA. I've seen it all first hand from when I had a Motorola Milestone (Motorola telling us the 2.1 has been built and has gone through testing but they are waiting for carriers to approve them on their networks) we had to waiting months for the updates due to some carriers.
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Sure, they could build ICS for the NS4G but the 4G radio wouldn't work. Drivers aren't part of AOSP.
Also, didn't Google pulled the ICS update for the (tmobile) Nexus S? If that's still true, they're clearly working out the issues with ICS before releasing it to the NS4G, etc.
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Driver binaries are on Google's servers for nexus devices. 100% built from source and 4g works just fine.....
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we are waiting for sprint to approve the new radio that will come with the ota. That is what causes the holdup.
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maybe Google is still fixing what does not go to ics now and then....maybe xD we can see ics on all nexus ^^
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that was a result of carriers' investment in other companies that developed very similar software to google wallet...
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Precisely. I'm glad you finally see my point that Google can't just push out an update because they want to, but are hampered by needing carrier approval.
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carriers can not make the rest of the world wait for an update just because they don't want it released to their devices yet.
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When did this start being true?
It's absolutely true that carriers CAN prevent official release of an update for any reason, or for no reason. They've done it many times before and they'll do it again. Sprint has a long track record of doing exactly this.
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Google needs to just ***** slap sprint, tell them to shut the hell up, and push the update
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You have an awfully lot to learn about how contracts work.
If I run a massive business and another massive business violates my contract with them (for example, pushes an unapproved update to what I think of as "my" devices irrespective of the beliefs or desires of my subscribers), many lawyers are going to be fed and I will expect a massive transfer of assets from that other company to mine.
mstevens is dead on. Sprint will not allow the push of an ota until they can be sure this update won't toast peoples phones, and for the people in the world that have a nxs4g and don't do modding, if the update is broken, they can't just fix what Google's update did. My brother has the GSM version, and received the update, and honestly were not missing anything. The user made roms are already becoming superior builds anyway. We will eventually get the update, I for one am glad sprint said no at the moment though, I would hate to waste my time on a broken ota lol
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lol...too many people to quote you all, so I'm gonna do my best to answer everyone
Ok, I understand how contracts work. My point is this: yes, google has a contract with sprint (or any other carrier, for that matter) to provide radios, wimax drivers, what-have-you, and I understand that if sprint won't sign, there's not much the manufacturer can do...I get that. But my biggest concern with all of this is that google is not flexing their muscles. They have made a guarantee to their customers (not explicit, but still implied) that they would provide ALL NEXUS UPDATES in a timely manner. Sprint is now holding google back from seeing this implied promise carried through, and the fact that other manufacturers are already pushing full ota updates now makes google look bad (grounds for a lawsuit).
I understand that if google were to break that contract by circumventing sprint by releasing the update anyway, they could be sued...I get that. However, google could also counter-sue for making customers wait an unreasonable amount of time for an update that is, by all rights, a "god-given right" to all nexus users prior to anyone else getting it.
Now let's talk about how many people use an NS4G to develop software that they get paid top develop. By sprint not releasing an official update, they are now inhibiting developers from doing business, and therefore they are taking money out of people's pockets. Yes, I know this last example is far-fetched a little bit, but honestly, it's really not all that far off. Yeah, people can just compile aosp themselves, and if they are truly developers, they should know how to do that....but let's say they are working on one particular app that is exclusive for sprint users, and they want to make sure it will run properly on sprint's network via an ICS handset....oh, wait...they can't because sprint are a bunch of lazy pieces of **** who won't sign. This is grounds for class-action, IMHO.
I may not be a lawyer, but it's blatantly obvious to me that if sprint holds out long enough, they are absolutely 100% vulnerable to class-action suits...and maybe even a suit from google, as well. Let's face it, no one but sprint & google execs really know the terms of the contract, but for all we know, it IS in the contract to provide timely updates. If this is the case, I hope someone gets sued like a SOB for this delay, because it's unacceptable!!!!!
hp420 said:
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
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I suggest that this LARGE chunk of nexus users may be better served by one of the many other smartphone mfrs who provided a pure ICS update (i.e. no BS extra UI layer and no bloat) over the holiday. Which one will you choose? Oh, wait.
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I hope someone gets sued like a SOB for this delay, because it's unacceptable!!!!!
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Really. You want a lawsuit, because a bunch of software developers wouldn't work at your whim over the nation's biggest holiday?
The111 said:
I suggest that this LARGE chunk of nexus users may be better served by one of the many other smartphone mfrs who provided a pure ICS update (i.e. no BS extra UI layer and no bloat) over the holiday. Which one will you choose? Oh, wait.
Really. You want a lawsuit, because a bunch of software developers wouldn't work at your whim over the nation's biggest holiday?
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actually, since the drivers, kernel, etc. was all pushed to google's update servers WELL over a week before christmas, they wouldn't have been working during the holiday at all to get it pushed to NS4g...they just had to click a few buttons....something I've done a few hundred thousand times in the last 5 minutes.
BTW, no need to be a smartass about it. if I want to switch from nexus to get a pure android ui, I can always just root and modify the ota to have a stock theme. So now what do you have to say about that, smartass??? Oh wait...
tool.
hp420 said:
actually, since the drivers, kernel, etc. was all pushed to google's update servers WELL over a week before christmas, they wouldn't have been working during the holiday at all to get it pushed to NS4g...they just had to click a few buttons....something I've done a few hundred thousand times in the last 5 minutes.
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You're making multiple assumptions. You assume that by the existence of particular source files on a particular server, you know what Google's stance as to the public release candidacy of a compiled package is. Please explain why you believe this. There are only two ways we could know such a thing:
1) Google publicly declares it (i.e. this compiled package IS ready for public use... or vice versa)
2) Google actually pushes the compiled package (in the absence of such an action, the logical assumption to make is that they are not ready to do such a thing yet, for their own reasons... i.e. there is still something else they need to do. NOT that they are "too lazy/stupid to push a few buttons")
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BTW, no need to be a smartass about it. if I want to switch from nexus to get a pure android ui, I can always just root and modify the ota to have a stock theme. So now what do you have to say about that, smartass??? Oh wait...
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You're right, the sarcasm is 100% optional. It's an option that I quite enjoy though. I won't, however, stoop to personal attacks.
How about this. Sarcasm removed for you, I will ask the question that was clearly evident in my last post. If you decide to "leave Google" because of your discontent, which handset vendor will you turn to? Who do you believe is a better option? Who will give you a pure Android update in a shorter timespan? I am genuinely (no sarcasm) interested!
So Verizon actually responded to an fcc complaint. This is their stupid reason for blocking Google wallet. Strangely no mention if their home grown "Isis" voids this "security" thing.
androidheadlines.com/2012/12/verizon-tells-us-why-they-block-google-wallet-due-to-secure-element-requirement.html
Did you read their letter? They aren't blocking it. Google Wallet does not work with their secure element. Google can update Wallet to work with their phones anytime they want to.
chamberc said:
Did you read their letter? They aren't blocking it. Google Wallet does not work with their secure element. Google can update Wallet to work with their phones anytime they want to.
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Google Wallet already works on their phones. I have it running on my Galaxy S3, and I'm sure a bit of searching will show that it runs perfectly fine on other phones, as well. I installed it directly from Google Play after editing a few tags to make Google Play think that I had a different phone, so they are, indeed, blocking Google Wallet.
Yes, they were responding to my complaint.
I believe Verizon IS blocking it, because Wallet runs on the Sprint GS3, and also, members here have gotten it to run on the Verizon GS3 by simply changing a few things on their phone.
Funny how Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile are backing ISIS, and Google Wallet doesn't work on those companies GS3, but Sprint is NOT backing ISIS and Google Wallet works on their GS3... HMMMM..... what does that tell you?
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So Verizon actually responded to an fcc complaint. This is their stupid reason for blocking Google wallet. Strangely no mention if their home grown "Isis" voids this "security" thing.
androidheadlines.com/2012/12/verizon-tells-us-why-they-block-google-wallet-due-to-secure-element-requirement.html
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Verizon isn't the only carrier using ISIS, it is not a homegrown service.
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Did you read their letter? They aren't blocking it. Google Wallet does not work with their secure element. Google can update Wallet to work with their phones anytime they want to.
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Isis should void this "secure element" to then since it requires special hardware and such.
redhooka said:
Verizon isn't the only carrier using ISIS, it is not a homegrown service.
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Verizon, ATT, and T-Mobile are all backing it. Correct. But they are making their own wallet service. Therefore it is home grown. By all three of them.
vzw knows they are right and not afraid to show it!
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its verizon against the world!
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vzw knows they are right and not afraid to show it!
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its verizon against the world!
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I don't see how Verizon is right in all this...
dsDoan said:
Google Wallet already works on their phones. I have it running on my Galaxy S3, and I'm sure a bit of searching will show that it runs perfectly fine on other phones, as well. I installed it directly from Google Play after editing a few tags to make Google Play think that I had a different phone, so they are, indeed, blocking Google Wallet.
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Exactly. The problem isn't actually running the app. Google Wallet runs fine on our phones once it's installed, the issue is that it isn't available in the PlayStore for us to download without us changing a file to fool the store into thinking we are on another phone...which allows us to proceed with the download.
Verizon is saying it won't run on the phone as it is and that's wrong...it's running fine.
The only issue is that Verizon is blocking the download.
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I don't see how Verizon is right in all this...
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Really? They think they own our equipment, when they don't.we just use their service
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You believe they're blocking it, despite them directly saying they're not? I guess you're in the we never went to the moon crowd either. Companies don't lie as much as you'd like to believe.
Hulk0069 said:
Really? They think they own our equipment, when they don't.we just use their service
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That is what I was trying to say...
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You believe they're blocking it, despite them directly saying they're not? I guess you're in the we never went to the moon crowd either. Companies don't lie as much as you'd like to believe.
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I believe that they want to see their service (Isis) to succeed and since Google wallet is a competitor than they don't want it on there. Because I say that doesn't mean you can judge me. I have my opinion of a company. You have yours. The end.
I've gotten Google Wallet to work and then when I take any updates it screws up damn Verizon!
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Exactly. The problem isn't actually running the app. Google Wallet runs fine on our phones once it's installed, the issue is that it isn't available in the PlayStore for us to download without us changing a file to fool the store into thinking we are on another phone...which allows us to proceed with the download.
Verizon is saying it won't run on the phone as it is and that's wrong...it's running fine.
The only issue is that Verizon is blocking the download.
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I just wish something would happen. I couldn't get google wallet to work on mine even after I used the fix
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You believe they're blocking it, despite them directly saying they're not? I guess you're in the we never went to the moon crowd either. Companies don't lie as much as you'd like to believe.
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Verizon is being about as honest on this as Clinton was with his "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."
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You believe they're blocking it, despite them directly saying they're not? I guess you're in the we never went to the moon crowd either. Companies don't lie as much as you'd like to believe.
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They are blocking it, they're just doing it indirectly. Instead of saying "you cannot run Google wallet on your phone" they are telling Google that they cannot access the hardware Google wallet needs to function correctly.
Our phone has the hardware necessary to run Google wallet, but Verizon is not letting them use it.
Clearly the secure element in the nfc chip is important for this functionality or their own implementation wouldn't be using it.
They may not be flat out lying but they are being pretty dishonest.
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They're only saying that Google won't update Wallet to access the secure element, not that they're denying Google from accessing it. Companies don't operate the way y'all think. Verizon isn't blocking it, Google is. The end.
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They're only saying that Google won't update Wallet to access the secure element, not that they're denying Google from accessing it. Companies don't operate the way y'all think. Verizon isn't blocking it, Google is. The end.
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We clearly aren't reading the same letter.
Google Wallet is different from other widely-available m-commerce services in that it requires access to the device's secure element...Google is free to offer it's Google Wallet application in a manner that doesn't require integration with the secure element.
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I'm not sure how much more clear it can be that Verizon is not allowing Google to access the secure element. They want Google to modify it to NOT use the secure element so that their own mobile payment solution has an advantage.
Has anyone gotten ISIS working?
My local Verizon store swears that even though jellybean just released today that today they also revoked support for ISIS because of problems.
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egorzilla said:
Has anyone gotten ISIS working?
My local Verizon store swears that even though jellybean just released today that today they also revoked support for ISIS because of problems.
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Google Wallet works better. You should root your phone and try that
Yes I have Google wallet. Wanted to try it ISIS since I live in one of the test areas. Compare the two. Verizon fail all over the place.
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You have to have the special NFC sim cards for ISIS to work.
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Hmmm maybe I will start an Isis thread eventually...... tba
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So I picked up an nfc sim. Still nada. Can't see ISIS in mobile market and through Web says my SGS3 is incompatible. Oh well guess I won't compare and I'll just stick with Google wallet.
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Incase anyone else is interested Verizon fixed the problem overnight. So you can now install ISIS btw you don't need the nfc sim installed to install the app. Not sure about actually using /setting it up. I believe you will need that sim to do anything in the app.
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Incase anyone else is interested Verizon fixed the problem overnight. So you can now install ISIS btw you don't need the nfc sim installed to install the app. Not sure about actually using /setting it up. I believe you will need that sim to do anything in the app.
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I'm In Michigan and I installed the app but it would not let me set it up. So I tweeted to verizonsupport and they sent me a SIM card that is compatible with Isis. I received the SIM card today and setup the account. I also recieved the free ten dollars. So now i have to see if it works at a store.
I encourage everybody to pass on ISIS and the carriers bull****.
Help a n00b out... where can you actually use Isis? I have Google Wallet working on my Nexus 7 and have used it at a few places...much to the astonishment of employees and customers... but even there, very limited support.
sRDennyCrane said:
Help a n00b out... where can you actually use Isis? I have Google Wallet working on my Nexus 7 and have used it at a few places...much to the astonishment of employees and customers... but even there, very limited support.
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ISIS supports the same services (paypass, paywave, etc) that wallet supports. So basically you should be able to use it at the same locations.
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ISIS supports the same services (paypass, paywave, etc) that wallet supports. So basically you should be able to use it at the same locations.
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I just got the OTA from VZW last week and since I saw ISIS in the change list I figured I'd give it a go even though I'm in NY not SLC/Austin.
I called Verizon and they sent me a NFC SIM, and I still had trouble getting it to go but I got it eventually. It was a pain in the neck to set up and add cards but I got it going. On Amex's page about ISIS it says: "Use it where American Express contactless payments are accepted.* Just look for the universal symbol for contactless payments or signs that say "Isis Ready™."
by saying "or" it seems to imply not just in ISIS ready places like SLC/Austin, but anywhere AMEX ExPay is accepted, which is all over the country! I didn't see the same about Chase.
I'll give it a go today in NY and I'll let you know if it worked.
Overall, I must say so far, I like the app better than Google Wallet. It seems like they charge the card direct as opposed to Google which has a system of charging their virtual MC first then charging you, (This could be dis-advantageous regarding benefits that the card would give you, like bonus points at certain category merchants etc.). The only major problem is that it only takes Chase, Amex, and Cap1. but that isn't such a problem for me because I pretty much only use Chase and Amex cards.
I've got it installed, but it will not let me set it up. I live in Pittsburgh, so it may not be a test area. It's strange that it kicks me out of the app though.
OaklandZoo said:
I've got it installed, but it will not let me set it up. I live in Pittsburgh, so it may not be a test area. It's strange that it kicks me out of the app though.
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Do you have a NFC SIM? you'll need one for it to work and Verizon will send you one free.
I live in New York and I haven't had an issue setting it up.
levilib said:
I just got the OTA from VZW last week and since I saw ISIS in the change list I figured I'd give it a go even though I'm in NY not SLC/Austin.
I called Verizon and they sent me a NFC SIM, and I still had trouble getting it to go but I got it eventually. It was a pain in the neck to set up and add cards but I got it going. On Amex's page about ISIS it says: "Use it where American Express contactless payments are accepted.* Just look for the universal symbol for contactless payments or signs that say "Isis Ready™."
by saying "or" it seems to imply not just in ISIS ready places like SLC/Austin, but anywhere AMEX ExPay is accepted, which is all over the country! I didn't see the same about Chase.
I'll give it a go today in NY and I'll let you know if it worked.
Overall, I must say so far, I like the app better than Google Wallet. It seems like they charge the card direct as opposed to Google which has a system of charging their virtual MC first then charging you, (This could be dis-advantageous regarding benefits that the card would give you, like bonus points at certain category merchants etc.). The only major problem is that it only takes Chase, Amex, and Cap1. but that isn't such a problem for me because I pretty much only use Chase and Amex cards.
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Update: I successfully used ISIS to pay at a Brooklyn, NY RiteAid store. I had it set to use a Amex card and I checked straight away and there was a pending charge that appeared normal (unlike Google Wallet transactions which would show up as GOOGNFC*name-of-merchant). When I tried to pay, nothing was happening, so I took off the slim case I have on the back of my phone (GW never had any problems working through this case) and then tried again. Even then nothing happened, I was about to give up and began to pull out my wallet to get a real card, when the terminal came to life and said "Processing Contacless Payment". I'm not sure if it managed to read through my case or if it only read after I removed the case, but if it's the latter, that might be due to the fact that ISIS doesn't utilize the built in NFC chip rather it uses the one embedded into the SIM which is obviously much smaller (the built in one relies on an antenna as big as the battery) and therefore has a much shorter range.
The bottom line is so far I still like it better than GW, my only concern is that it mentioned that if it detects unusual root access in the OS, it will not operate. I don't plan on staying stock unrooted for too much longer!
levilib said:
Update: I successfully used ISIS to pay at a Brooklyn, NY RiteAid store. I had it set to use a Amex card and I checked straight away and there was a pending charge that appeared normal (unlike Google Wallet transactions which would show up as GOOGNFC*name-of-merchant). When I tried to pay, nothing was happening, so I took off the slim case I have on the back of my phone (GW never had any problems working through this case) and then tried again. Even then nothing happened, I was about to give up and began to pull out my wallet to get a real card, when the terminal came to life and said "Processing Contacless Payment". I'm not sure if it managed to read through my case or if it only read after I removed the case, but if it's the latter, that might be due to the fact that ISIS doesn't utilize the built in NFC chip rather it uses the one embedded into the SIM which is obviously much smaller (the built in one relies on an antenna as big as the battery) and therefore has a much shorter range.
The bottom line is so far I still like it better than GW, my only concern is that it mentioned that if it detects unusual root access in the OS, it will not operate. I don't plan on staying stock unrooted for too much longer!
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Update 2: The transaction cleared and now shows a "Isis RITEAID...." just adding the word Isis in front of what would be there anyway.
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I thought I should add, I've successfully used Isis in a lot of places and it works fine even with my case on. The last 4 digits of the credit card number used that appear on the receipt are different from the real number
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Hey everyone!
I got my Nexus 5 last week and I feel that one of the features that is often overlooked in most of the reviews and forums is the "Tap & Pay" feature using NFC. I didn't try it out myself till a few days ago and it has turned out to be one of my top reasons to love the Nexus 5.
After you link the google wallet app to Tap & Pay and setup a pin, you are able to use your phone to make payment at PoS devices that support this feature. Now, a lot of people say this is very limited but I live and work in Jersey/NYC and a lot of major retailers have this option. ShopRite/ Walmart/ NYC cabs/ Pharmacies etc.
The best part is the look on people's faces when i whip out my Nexus 5, complete my transaction with a light tap and answer their questions with "It's the new Nexus 5 !! " Even my friends who have HTC One/S4/iPhone can't compete with that because they can't have google wallet due to stupid carrier/bank restrictions. Their version of google wallet, Isis, is nowhere as good and iBeacon (ios) isn't releasing anytime soon.
If you live in a major city, then there are bound to be a lot of places where this will come in handy. Anyone else have any experiences with Tap & Pay?
Definitely a cool feature. I tried this out last week for the first time ever. I have to see how many stores have this feature in Miami / ft Lauderdale. Coming from ios this say never possible.
Will be in NY next week
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Definitely a cool feature, but not limited to N5. I love the reaction I get when I use my phone for payment. Just today, at Sports Authority, I used Tap and a Pay, the cashier was definitely surprised, she asked about it and was so disappointed to hear that iPhones can't do the same thing.
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mevensen said:
Definitely a cool feature, but not limited to N5. I love the reaction I get when I use my phone for payment. Just today, at Sports Authority, I used Tap and a Pay, the cashier was definitely surprised, she asked about it and was so disappointed to hear that iPhones can't do the same thing.
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anyone figured out how to get this working in Australia?
The REAL and the only reason why I returned my Note3 back to T-Mobile, is for this tap-&-pay service through Google Wallet.
I've gotten fed up with all the carrier restrictions crap, and the fiasco with ISIS.
I really really do enjoy Google wallet with my Nexus 5.
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You returned a phone because you couldn't use NFC payment? haha, funny.
My credit card works all the time, everywhere, apart from Costco.
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anyone figured out how to get this working in Australia?
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I'm so desperate to have this in the UK as well! Does anyone have it working here?
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I'm so desperate to have this in the UK as well! Does anyone have it working here?
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You'd have to get the cards into google wallet, which it won't let you here.
OTOH since most of the functionality is now in the OS, it's entirely possible someone could write a tap & pay app using that framework that worked in the UK.
Since I live in Salt Lake City, I was in the test market for Isis. I must say it was pretty neat to be able to use my Note 2 to tap and pay to get on the transit system. The bad thing was, half way through my ride back home my phone died. The police on the transit system have NFC scanners that they use to verify if you actually paid with that device or not so having a dead phone wouldn't prove that you made a payment. In that case they either give you a ticket for a first offense or fine you and kick you off at the next stop. Thankfully they didn't check in time for me to get off at my stop.
I only used Google Wallet twice and it worked just as well as Isis, if not a bit faster.
I will say though, its either really cool when it works but its also really embarrassing when it doesn't. A few times I tried tapping the phone and nothing happened. Pretty awkward situation
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The police on the transit system have NFC scanners that they use to verify if you actually paid with that device or not
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Wow. I'm amazed that any police department would invest in the equipment and training to do this. Very cool.
I haven't gotten it to work yet. It's setup, and to be fair i've only tried at Walgreens....
I've been waiting for this feature in Canada since GNex time, but Google Wallet doesnt work here, and theres no alternative either..
How do you know if a register is NFC enabled? Is there a sign or something where you would normally swipe a card or something that says tap here?
I've been using NFC payment on my N4, and before that on a rooted S3 with the Xposed patch for Google Wallet. It always surprises people when I pay with my phone, and one woman (who runs a Pho restaurant near my offices) has to show everyone when I come in and pay with my phone.
I find a few things humorous about ISIS:
- ISIS is not available on the Nexus series of phones, even though they have the hardware and software to support it.
- ISIS SIMs are not available locally through the carrier, even after launch.
I hope ISIS succeeds, but if it doesn't I hope that Google will buy the consortium out and integrate them into Wallet.
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How do you know if a register is NFC enabled? Is there a sign or something where you would normally swipe a card or something that says tap here?
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kgry said:
How do you know if a register is NFC enabled? Is there a sign or something where you would normally swipe a card or something that says tap here?
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Look for either the NFC, Mastercard PayPass, Google Wallet, or Isis logos. Lot of the registers here in SLC has the Isis and Paypass logos.
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Wow. I'm amazed that any police department would invest in the equipment and training to do this. Very cool.
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These Utah cops don't play around. I'm not quite sure how the scanner actually determines whether or not you paid though. Maybe the device stores an ID in the system or something. They've been using the technology for years since University Students get an NFC card that grants them free rides.
I haven't tried an nfc payment on my nexus 5, even with my nexus 4, I have wanted too but I didn't want to be "that guy" at the register incase something goes wrong.
I would love to start using this.. unfortunately, google doesnt like anywhere else except US.. lol
No google wallet up here in Canada
Used it three times at McD and the guys there were blowing away. They all ask what app was that.
works flawlessly for me. seems faster too, though that may be a trick of the mind (coming from GNex)
My wallet account has credit card linked but I can't select it in the Tap and Pay settings screen. Wallet isn't even listed. ?
does anyone know if the s7's bootloader gunna be locked on our network or not?
I mean you really need to ask this question. Obviously you didnt hear verizon is going to unlock all our bootloaders and give us all back unlimited data!
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I mean you really need to ask this question. Obviously you didnt hear verizon is going to unlock all our bootloaders and give us all back unlimited data!
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Lol I can't tell if thats sarcasm or not
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Lol I can't tell if thats sarcasm or not
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Thanks for sharing this thread, it's really helpful. That was sarcasm. Of course the bl will be locked.
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Lol I can't tell if thats sarcasm or not
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"Suck it, consumer!" -- Verizon
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"Suck it, consumer!" -- Verizon
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Next thing they will do is try to lock us out of the google play store.. They dont want us getting an app for free when they could charge you for one
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Next thing they will do is try to lock us out of the google play store.. They dont want us getting an app for free when they could charge you for one
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Well, at least Verizon's apps (like VZW Navigator and Visual Voicemail) are superior to all possible alternatives... *snicker*
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Well, at least Verizon's apps (like VZW Navigator and Visual Voicemail) are superior to all possible alternatives... *snicker*
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three sarcasmsing in one thread!
painiac said:
Well, at least Verizon's apps (like VZW Navigator and Visual Voicemail) are superior to all possible alternatives... *snicker*
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On a serious note, I loved Verizon's visual voicemail app, but have been using google voice as an alternative, do you recommend any other VVM apps?? thank you
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On a serious note, I loved Verizon's visual voicemail app, but have been using google voice as an alternative, do you recommend any other VVM apps?? thank you
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No... I was being sarcastic. Verizon's offerings are terrible. If they were free they might be decent, but they do NOT justify any price.
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No... I was being sarcastic. Verizon's offerings are terrible. If they were free they might be decent, but they do NOT justify any price.
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Oh im sorry i meant do you recommend any other Visual Voice Mail apps, NOT Verizon Voice Mail apps, i agree Verizon apps are terrible and a robbery, i have been using google voice but find it a bit lacking and that's why i asked if you have any other voicemail app recommendations.
P.S Verizon financial policy's may suck but we cant deny we gotta love their speeds and coverage.
Only thing I know it will be possible (most likely with triggering OEM unlock in developer settings for non Verizon phones) don't know if it will help "flash" recoveries and such stuff on the Verizon phones, how is it now if you trigger it, it won't help odin flash anything?
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Oh im sorry i meant do you recommend any other Visual Voice Mail apps, NOT Verizon Voice Mail apps, i agree Verizon apps are terrible and a robbery, i have been using google voice but find it a bit lacking and that's why i asked if you have any other voicemail app recommendations.
P.S Verizon financial policy's may suck but we cant deny we gotta love their speeds and coverage.
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I've been happy enough with Google Voice not to look for any alternatives.
Just get a nexus. I'm never getting another samsung phone.
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Just get a nexus. I'm never getting another samsung phone.
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eh i was thinking about getting nexus 6p but i cant stand that you wont be able to pull the battery if your phone ****s up and that theres no sd card slot
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I've been happy enough with Google Voice not to look for any alternatives.
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how did u get google voice to work? it tells me that the voicemail part of it is disabled due to the network provider (verizon)
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eh i was thinking about getting nexus 6p but i cant stand that you wont be able to pull the battery if your phone ****s up and that theres no sd card slot
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You can't remove the battery from the S7 either and I meant wait for the new nexus devices later this year. Supposedly Google wants to design them themselves which would make them better than prior nexus devices and since Google has moved back toward integrating sd cards into the OS with marshmallow, I'm sure android N will as well which means the next nexus devices will have sd card slots.
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You can't remove the battery from the S7 either and I meant wait for the new nexus devices later this year. Supposedly Google wants to design them themselves which would make them better than prior nexus devices and since Google has moved back toward integrating sd cards into the OS with marshmallow, I'm sure android N will as well which means the next nexus devices will have sd card slots.
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No it won't. The Nexus has never had an external SD, what makes you think they would suddenly integrate one?
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how did u get google voice to work? it tells me that the voicemail part of it is disabled due to the network provider (verizon)
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I'm actually not sure.
I had Google Voice set up on my previous phone and restored it with Titanium Backup. When I go to the phone's voicemail settings I can select Google Voice as the voicemail provider. If I try to do the "setup" from there it gives me that same error you're getting, but it still works. Maybe try setting it up on a computer from the website? It's possible that step is unnecessary.
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You can't remove the battery from the S7 either and I meant wait for the new nexus devices later this year. Supposedly Google wants to design them themselves which would make them better than prior nexus devices and since Google has moved back toward integrating sd cards into the OS with marshmallow, I'm sure android N will as well which means the next nexus devices will have sd card slots.
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Isn't Google the very reason most of the manufacturers were pushed away from external SDcards in the first place?
I thought Verizon was done with carried tied phones. I though you would just buy the phone out right, or on a plan like at Best Buy, and then activate the sim. Maybe I a mistaken.
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