Hey everyone!
I got my Nexus 5 last week and I feel that one of the features that is often overlooked in most of the reviews and forums is the "Tap & Pay" feature using NFC. I didn't try it out myself till a few days ago and it has turned out to be one of my top reasons to love the Nexus 5.
After you link the google wallet app to Tap & Pay and setup a pin, you are able to use your phone to make payment at PoS devices that support this feature. Now, a lot of people say this is very limited but I live and work in Jersey/NYC and a lot of major retailers have this option. ShopRite/ Walmart/ NYC cabs/ Pharmacies etc.
The best part is the look on people's faces when i whip out my Nexus 5, complete my transaction with a light tap and answer their questions with "It's the new Nexus 5 !! " Even my friends who have HTC One/S4/iPhone can't compete with that because they can't have google wallet due to stupid carrier/bank restrictions. Their version of google wallet, Isis, is nowhere as good and iBeacon (ios) isn't releasing anytime soon.
If you live in a major city, then there are bound to be a lot of places where this will come in handy. Anyone else have any experiences with Tap & Pay?
Definitely a cool feature. I tried this out last week for the first time ever. I have to see how many stores have this feature in Miami / ft Lauderdale. Coming from ios this say never possible.
Will be in NY next week
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Definitely a cool feature, but not limited to N5. I love the reaction I get when I use my phone for payment. Just today, at Sports Authority, I used Tap and a Pay, the cashier was definitely surprised, she asked about it and was so disappointed to hear that iPhones can't do the same thing.
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mevensen said:
Definitely a cool feature, but not limited to N5. I love the reaction I get when I use my phone for payment. Just today, at Sports Authority, I used Tap and a Pay, the cashier was definitely surprised, she asked about it and was so disappointed to hear that iPhones can't do the same thing.
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anyone figured out how to get this working in Australia?
The REAL and the only reason why I returned my Note3 back to T-Mobile, is for this tap-&-pay service through Google Wallet.
I've gotten fed up with all the carrier restrictions crap, and the fiasco with ISIS.
I really really do enjoy Google wallet with my Nexus 5.
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You returned a phone because you couldn't use NFC payment? haha, funny.
My credit card works all the time, everywhere, apart from Costco.
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anyone figured out how to get this working in Australia?
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I'm so desperate to have this in the UK as well! Does anyone have it working here?
setspeed said:
I'm so desperate to have this in the UK as well! Does anyone have it working here?
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You'd have to get the cards into google wallet, which it won't let you here.
OTOH since most of the functionality is now in the OS, it's entirely possible someone could write a tap & pay app using that framework that worked in the UK.
Since I live in Salt Lake City, I was in the test market for Isis. I must say it was pretty neat to be able to use my Note 2 to tap and pay to get on the transit system. The bad thing was, half way through my ride back home my phone died. The police on the transit system have NFC scanners that they use to verify if you actually paid with that device or not so having a dead phone wouldn't prove that you made a payment. In that case they either give you a ticket for a first offense or fine you and kick you off at the next stop. Thankfully they didn't check in time for me to get off at my stop.
I only used Google Wallet twice and it worked just as well as Isis, if not a bit faster.
I will say though, its either really cool when it works but its also really embarrassing when it doesn't. A few times I tried tapping the phone and nothing happened. Pretty awkward situation
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The police on the transit system have NFC scanners that they use to verify if you actually paid with that device or not
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Wow. I'm amazed that any police department would invest in the equipment and training to do this. Very cool.
I haven't gotten it to work yet. It's setup, and to be fair i've only tried at Walgreens....
I've been waiting for this feature in Canada since GNex time, but Google Wallet doesnt work here, and theres no alternative either..
How do you know if a register is NFC enabled? Is there a sign or something where you would normally swipe a card or something that says tap here?
I've been using NFC payment on my N4, and before that on a rooted S3 with the Xposed patch for Google Wallet. It always surprises people when I pay with my phone, and one woman (who runs a Pho restaurant near my offices) has to show everyone when I come in and pay with my phone.
I find a few things humorous about ISIS:
- ISIS is not available on the Nexus series of phones, even though they have the hardware and software to support it.
- ISIS SIMs are not available locally through the carrier, even after launch.
I hope ISIS succeeds, but if it doesn't I hope that Google will buy the consortium out and integrate them into Wallet.
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kgry said:
How do you know if a register is NFC enabled? Is there a sign or something where you would normally swipe a card or something that says tap here?
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How do you know if a register is NFC enabled? Is there a sign or something where you would normally swipe a card or something that says tap here?
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Look for either the NFC, Mastercard PayPass, Google Wallet, or Isis logos. Lot of the registers here in SLC has the Isis and Paypass logos.
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Wow. I'm amazed that any police department would invest in the equipment and training to do this. Very cool.
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These Utah cops don't play around. I'm not quite sure how the scanner actually determines whether or not you paid though. Maybe the device stores an ID in the system or something. They've been using the technology for years since University Students get an NFC card that grants them free rides.
I haven't tried an nfc payment on my nexus 5, even with my nexus 4, I have wanted too but I didn't want to be "that guy" at the register incase something goes wrong.
I would love to start using this.. unfortunately, google doesnt like anywhere else except US.. lol
No google wallet up here in Canada
Used it three times at McD and the guys there were blowing away. They all ask what app was that.
works flawlessly for me. seems faster too, though that may be a trick of the mind (coming from GNex)
My wallet account has credit card linked but I can't select it in the Tap and Pay settings screen. Wallet isn't even listed. ?
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I was wondering if anyone has started seeing nfc tags around town? I saw one the other night on the front door of a Turkish restaurant here in Richmond, VA. Of course I forgot my Nexus S at home and couldn't test it. But I am looking forward to using this new technology and I hope it takes off.
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none at all here in the great white north
I can't wait until the chip in my phone does more than tell me when my debit card is on the back of my phone lol
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Someday I want to use nfc to start my car, open the front door, pay for gas, etc. But being able to read a restaurants menu while waiting to be seated is a nice start.
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KeithRVA said:
Someday I want to use nfc to start my car, open the front door, pay for gas, etc. But being able to read a restaurants menu while waiting to be seated is a nice start.
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i don't think the NFC technology will do all that for limitation and security reasons
i only see it as a Marketing tool that's about it, the most it can do is do payments by hitting accept or not accept, when you have the phone next to the sensor pad
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i don't think the NFC technology works that way
i only see it as a Marketing tool that's about it, the most it can do is do payments by hitting accept or not accept, when you have the phone next to the sensor pad
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That's what it is being used for now, but there is no reason it could not be used for all of the things he mentioned eventually.
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Someday I want to use nfc to start my car, open the front door, pay for gas, etc. But being able to read a restaurants menu while waiting to be seated is a nice start.
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I agree. That is definitely in the future. RFID is already used to unlock cars and has been implemented to unlock house locks as well. There would be no more significant security losses over already implemented RFID solutions.
counting i live in philadelphia "The city of brotherly love" yet i still dont see any type of nfc tags...i thought this is suppose to be a city on par with the "big apple" lol i dont even think nyc has any yet
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counting i live in philadelphia "The city of brotherly love" yet i still dont see any type of nfc tags...i thought this is suppose to be a city on par with the "big apple" lol i dont even think nyc has any yet
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Haven't seen anything in nyc with nfc. Its still relatively new technology in America whereas other countries may have already adopted nfc.
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I live in the UK and all mcdonalds restaurants are supposed to be having nfc capable payment option on orders les than £15 by the summer. Haven't heard anything about the USA.
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Saw one in downtown Denver at a popular Mexican restaurant that I love. It was on the front window, next to entrance door. I didn't think much of it at 1st, until I realized what it was.
Based on a leak I read on Android Community there may be a launch today. I know that 2.3.5 OTA had stuff in it to enable using NFC payments. I doubt ROM's such as CM7 will be able to use it. Anybody else hear anything.
That would be cool! It should work on CM7.
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Will this only work with Nexus 4G? What about Nexus S GSM with 2.3.5 ROM like CM7 nightly?
Same question here. Why would they launch it only for the 4g when the 3g is equally capable?
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Same question here. Why would they launch it only for the 4g when the 3g is equally capable?
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Because Google partnered with Sprint to develop it as an alternative to efforts that were already in progress.
T-Mobile is partnered with AT&T and Verizon with Isis for their mobile payments. Rumor so far is that T-Mobile is resisting allowing it on their network due to their involvement with Isis.
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Will this only work with Nexus 4G? What about Nexus S GSM with 2.3.5 ROM like CM7 nightly?
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It's yet to be seen if it will work outside of Sprint's network initially. I hope so, but testing should be simple enough once the apk is available.
Wow. The consumer loses out again.
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Wow. The consumer loses out again.
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That's yet to be seen, but potentially yes. I would love to use Google Wallet personally and hope that it will work on T-Mobile's network (immediately would be great) using a 2.3.5 ROM.
Unfortunately you've got the credit card companies and carriers both scrambling for the tiny margin that exists within this business and the credit card companies trying not to lose any of the slim profit they earn on each purchase. So they are all scheming together to get the best deal for everyone without giving up too much. The consumer isn't much of a driving force as much as they continue to be a vehicle for profit and business.
Both groups are trying to determine how to do deployment of hardware to POS sites and who is going to bear this cost so that a roll out can be effective without putting undue burden on merchants (who would likely reject it if they had to bear the initial cost before wide spread adoption). If they can't get merchants to adopt it then it will never be available to consumers to even have a chance at success. It's quite tricky given the limited market.
Personally I love how Google Wallet looks and the integration it promises with coupons, loyalty cards and eventually digital receipts. If a competing standard does come to light I hope that it is a similarly robust solution.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-2...launching-today-signs-point-to-yes/?tag=mncol
Doesn't seem to mention Nexus S 4G nor restrictions other than needing to have Nexus S phone and MasterCard.
However, there are a few barriers to entry to get Google Wallet running. For one, users need the Android-based Nexus S smartphone, which has an NFC chip in it. In addition, the service is only available with MasterCard's PayPass system. According to the Google Wallet site, the service will work with Citi MasterCard credit cards and the Google PrePaid Card. In addition, Google Wallet can store "gift cards from participating merchants," Google says.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-2...launching-today-signs-point-to-yes/?tag=mncol
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Perhaps Cnet should stop being lazy and look at Google's own FAQ on wallet. http://www.google.com/wallet/faq.html
Can I use Google Wallet with my phone?
Google Wallet with tap and pay will be compatible with Nexus S 4G by Google, available on Sprint®.
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Google stated during the Google Wallet presentation a while back that it would launch on the NS4G and Sprint exclusively but they were working with other carriers to also bring it to the GSM Nexus S. They were not going to do it without carrier consent though seemed to be the implication.
http://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=google+wallet
an article posted a few hours ago is 404
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/samsung-nexus-s-4g-updated-to-support-google-wallet/
Update to NS4G? Guess NS can't just run .apk like that...
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/samsung-nexus-s-4g-updated-to-support-google-wallet/
Update to NS4G? Guess NS can't just run .apk like that...
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Potentially - we'll see what's in the update package. I'm sure the APK itself will be written in the /system partition - necessitating an update package to write it there. We'll see what else gets pushed on top of an AOSP build with it.
I really dislike all this proprietary, walled garden technology making the rounds these days. That anyone would potentially have to factor in their preferred credit card company in choosing which cell phone network to use is ludicrous.
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Is there someone here who knows the location and filename(s) of where exactly the SMS data is stored. All I want to do is copy those files off the XDA2 and then do a hard reset and then copy the files back onto it, everything else is fully backed up already.
Thank you
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Blame your carrier for that.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268948
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Google tweet
Any way of pulling the .APK so it will work on a Nexus S 4g running MIUI?
My hope is we will be able to simply build Android 2.3.7 from source for Crespo.
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I am on sprint nexus s 4g and haven't seen **** yet. Can't see it in market either.
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Any way of pulling the .APK so it will work on a Nexus S 4g running MIUI?
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bump, looking for the same thing.
How do you use your phone's NFC for? Is it useless for now?
Google wallet?
I have read some NEWS about NFC and Google wallet. But seem nothing is really come to.
If you are using Google wallet, Please indicate city and what type of business.
If you are using other type of payment system please indicate name of payment system, city and merchant.
I will keep the OP updated with the on-going counts of the type of uses.
Thanks for your time.
Pro:
Con:
1. Read somewhere that NFC back actually blocks and interferes with Cel sigbal?
2. Extended batteries and the back covers are not compatible with NFC.
3. Eats up computing cycles and some (may be 1 or 2 %) battery life.
4. Annoying every time I go to change 2/3 g and wifi to see NFC entry there.
Result:
1. Meijer stores take NFC/Google wallet. In MI and I assume everywhere Meijer operate.
2. 7/11 Austin (assumes all 7/11 stores) Not confirmed (Anywhere they accept paypass, wallet should work. McDonalds, home depot, whataburger, cvs, and many more.)
3. McDonalds and Bestbuys. (City unknown).
4. Google Wallet and NFC tags (City unknown).
5.Jamba Juice in Gilroy, CA, and to buy a Coke out of a vending machine in Tulare, CA.
6. NFC feature used in conjuction with mifare card.(City unknown).
7. One former user of paypass seem to have given up on this since it is not as convenient as credit cards.(City unknown).
8. Vending machine in Vegas.
Latest status of this thread. 158 views, 8 votes (including mine.) 3 replies to the actual question...!! Hmmmmm.... nothing here!!
I loved Wallet when Best Buy (my employer) accepted wireless payment. Now that they don't I don't have much reason for it. I had some money left over on it which I spent at a Meijer gas station. Meijer is the only company that comes to mined that accepts NFC payment that I actually shop at.
Anywhere they accept paypass, wallet should work. 7-11, McDonalds, home depot, whataburger, cvs, and many more. Just GOOGLE paypass locations. I've read about people claiming it affects signal but if I remove my battery cover I don't see any difference in signal, unlike I've read claims to.
http://www.google.com/wallet/where-it-works.html
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Anywhere they accept paypass, wallet should work. 7-11, McDonalds, home depot, whataburger, cvs, and many more.
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Hello, dpeeps74. Thanks for stopping by and commenting. Can I assume that you do infact use the service personally at these stores? And you find them convinient?
Regards.
And thanks to hunder2132 also for stopping by.
I use it at 7-11 from time to time. I have used it at a few places. I actually want to use nfc more but with nfc tags. I'd probably use it more as a payment device if I could add my own cards.
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Thanks for the Q-reply. Now I wait for more nfc users.
Regards.
If there happens to be NFC payment where I'm at, I use it. I've used it at McDonalds and Best Buy. I use it frequently at those places, and each time I get the funniest reactions out of people lol
I have added summary to the OP. By the amount of attention this is getting, I assume there just isn't enought user of this tech and is pretty much dead. At least to me.
I did find a McDonald's today and Inquired.... They said it is working. But the next one I stopped at it as broken. They didn't know when was the last time it worked!!
Wow... I said.
Actually though about testing it out and see if it's as good as they say it is?? But I guess not.
Shame!
Noob.
Use the paypass locator app. Its in the Play Store.
I use it for Google Wallet and NFC tags. I use my tags daily.
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I've used it in a Jamba Juice in Gilroy, CA, and to buy a Coke out of a vending machine in Tulare, CA.
I like it a lot. I need to add more funds to my Google Wallet and use it more. Wish I could use it everywhere.
I've also been meaning to buy some NFC writable tags for use at home, in the car, and at work.
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I've recently developed a machine that makes use of mifare cards, and used the NFC feature to see what was written on the card.
I used it to flash some blank nfc tags when i got it but since then i just turn it off. It is easier for me to pay with my credit card since i always have my wallet with my license in it anyway. In fact my credit card is even a pay pass card but i always forget that and just swipe it.
I thank you all again who contributing with answers. updating OP.
Regards.
Noob
Vending machine in Las Vegas
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I use mine with file expert great good transferring files to another nfc device
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Has anyone gotten ISIS working?
My local Verizon store swears that even though jellybean just released today that today they also revoked support for ISIS because of problems.
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egorzilla said:
Has anyone gotten ISIS working?
My local Verizon store swears that even though jellybean just released today that today they also revoked support for ISIS because of problems.
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Google Wallet works better. You should root your phone and try that
Yes I have Google wallet. Wanted to try it ISIS since I live in one of the test areas. Compare the two. Verizon fail all over the place.
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You have to have the special NFC sim cards for ISIS to work.
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Hmmm maybe I will start an Isis thread eventually...... tba
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So I picked up an nfc sim. Still nada. Can't see ISIS in mobile market and through Web says my SGS3 is incompatible. Oh well guess I won't compare and I'll just stick with Google wallet.
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Incase anyone else is interested Verizon fixed the problem overnight. So you can now install ISIS btw you don't need the nfc sim installed to install the app. Not sure about actually using /setting it up. I believe you will need that sim to do anything in the app.
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Incase anyone else is interested Verizon fixed the problem overnight. So you can now install ISIS btw you don't need the nfc sim installed to install the app. Not sure about actually using /setting it up. I believe you will need that sim to do anything in the app.
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I'm In Michigan and I installed the app but it would not let me set it up. So I tweeted to verizonsupport and they sent me a SIM card that is compatible with Isis. I received the SIM card today and setup the account. I also recieved the free ten dollars. So now i have to see if it works at a store.
I encourage everybody to pass on ISIS and the carriers bull****.
Help a n00b out... where can you actually use Isis? I have Google Wallet working on my Nexus 7 and have used it at a few places...much to the astonishment of employees and customers... but even there, very limited support.
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Help a n00b out... where can you actually use Isis? I have Google Wallet working on my Nexus 7 and have used it at a few places...much to the astonishment of employees and customers... but even there, very limited support.
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ISIS supports the same services (paypass, paywave, etc) that wallet supports. So basically you should be able to use it at the same locations.
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ISIS supports the same services (paypass, paywave, etc) that wallet supports. So basically you should be able to use it at the same locations.
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I just got the OTA from VZW last week and since I saw ISIS in the change list I figured I'd give it a go even though I'm in NY not SLC/Austin.
I called Verizon and they sent me a NFC SIM, and I still had trouble getting it to go but I got it eventually. It was a pain in the neck to set up and add cards but I got it going. On Amex's page about ISIS it says: "Use it where American Express contactless payments are accepted.* Just look for the universal symbol for contactless payments or signs that say "Isis Ready™."
by saying "or" it seems to imply not just in ISIS ready places like SLC/Austin, but anywhere AMEX ExPay is accepted, which is all over the country! I didn't see the same about Chase.
I'll give it a go today in NY and I'll let you know if it worked.
Overall, I must say so far, I like the app better than Google Wallet. It seems like they charge the card direct as opposed to Google which has a system of charging their virtual MC first then charging you, (This could be dis-advantageous regarding benefits that the card would give you, like bonus points at certain category merchants etc.). The only major problem is that it only takes Chase, Amex, and Cap1. but that isn't such a problem for me because I pretty much only use Chase and Amex cards.
I've got it installed, but it will not let me set it up. I live in Pittsburgh, so it may not be a test area. It's strange that it kicks me out of the app though.
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I've got it installed, but it will not let me set it up. I live in Pittsburgh, so it may not be a test area. It's strange that it kicks me out of the app though.
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Do you have a NFC SIM? you'll need one for it to work and Verizon will send you one free.
I live in New York and I haven't had an issue setting it up.
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I just got the OTA from VZW last week and since I saw ISIS in the change list I figured I'd give it a go even though I'm in NY not SLC/Austin.
I called Verizon and they sent me a NFC SIM, and I still had trouble getting it to go but I got it eventually. It was a pain in the neck to set up and add cards but I got it going. On Amex's page about ISIS it says: "Use it where American Express contactless payments are accepted.* Just look for the universal symbol for contactless payments or signs that say "Isis Ready™."
by saying "or" it seems to imply not just in ISIS ready places like SLC/Austin, but anywhere AMEX ExPay is accepted, which is all over the country! I didn't see the same about Chase.
I'll give it a go today in NY and I'll let you know if it worked.
Overall, I must say so far, I like the app better than Google Wallet. It seems like they charge the card direct as opposed to Google which has a system of charging their virtual MC first then charging you, (This could be dis-advantageous regarding benefits that the card would give you, like bonus points at certain category merchants etc.). The only major problem is that it only takes Chase, Amex, and Cap1. but that isn't such a problem for me because I pretty much only use Chase and Amex cards.
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Update: I successfully used ISIS to pay at a Brooklyn, NY RiteAid store. I had it set to use a Amex card and I checked straight away and there was a pending charge that appeared normal (unlike Google Wallet transactions which would show up as GOOGNFC*name-of-merchant). When I tried to pay, nothing was happening, so I took off the slim case I have on the back of my phone (GW never had any problems working through this case) and then tried again. Even then nothing happened, I was about to give up and began to pull out my wallet to get a real card, when the terminal came to life and said "Processing Contacless Payment". I'm not sure if it managed to read through my case or if it only read after I removed the case, but if it's the latter, that might be due to the fact that ISIS doesn't utilize the built in NFC chip rather it uses the one embedded into the SIM which is obviously much smaller (the built in one relies on an antenna as big as the battery) and therefore has a much shorter range.
The bottom line is so far I still like it better than GW, my only concern is that it mentioned that if it detects unusual root access in the OS, it will not operate. I don't plan on staying stock unrooted for too much longer!
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Update: I successfully used ISIS to pay at a Brooklyn, NY RiteAid store. I had it set to use a Amex card and I checked straight away and there was a pending charge that appeared normal (unlike Google Wallet transactions which would show up as GOOGNFC*name-of-merchant). When I tried to pay, nothing was happening, so I took off the slim case I have on the back of my phone (GW never had any problems working through this case) and then tried again. Even then nothing happened, I was about to give up and began to pull out my wallet to get a real card, when the terminal came to life and said "Processing Contacless Payment". I'm not sure if it managed to read through my case or if it only read after I removed the case, but if it's the latter, that might be due to the fact that ISIS doesn't utilize the built in NFC chip rather it uses the one embedded into the SIM which is obviously much smaller (the built in one relies on an antenna as big as the battery) and therefore has a much shorter range.
The bottom line is so far I still like it better than GW, my only concern is that it mentioned that if it detects unusual root access in the OS, it will not operate. I don't plan on staying stock unrooted for too much longer!
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Update 2: The transaction cleared and now shows a "Isis RITEAID...." just adding the word Isis in front of what would be there anyway.
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I thought I should add, I've successfully used Isis in a lot of places and it works fine even with my case on. The last 4 digits of the credit card number used that appear on the receipt are different from the real number
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I just noticed that Walgreens is not activating any of their nfc payment systems because of security issues and just today I found out that wawa gas stations no longer have them due to some type of issues they were having with malware with their system. Seems more companies are discontinuing their use over setting the systems up.
I hope they get this supposed security problem figured out soon. I love using my phone to pay.
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I just noticed that Walgreens is not activating any of their nfc payment systems because of security issues and just today I found out that wawa gas stations no longer have them due to some type of issues they were having with malware with their system. Seems more companies are discontinuing their use over setting the systems up.
I hope they get this supposed security problem figured out soon. I love using my phone to pay.
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This was only ever a pipe dream to be honest. Too many ways it can be hacked, far too insecure for real world use.
Far, far too unsafe for public use. You can hack it with stickers for goodness sake.
Not to mention, people are far too moronic in the way and guard they use their phones to make this work. On an average day at Uni, I see about 200 phones I could nick without them noticing it. And consequentially use to pay for anything, because apparently people are not smart enough to realize that a pattern lock leaves a fingertrail. And their code is pretty much always a date of relevance. Which they've undoubtably mentioned somewhere on their Facebook.
I don't think the reason is security on the phone but on the unit in the store. The phone itself is more secure than using a debit card. If someone steals your card they are able to use it at most stores without ever being asked for id. My phone not only has a passcode but once you try to use the wallet app it asks for another code. Overall I think the security issue is with the store and if that can be resolved nfc payments can continue.
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zelendel said:
This was only ever a pipe dream to be honest. Too many ways it can be hacked, far too insecure for real world use.
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When you say hacked, do you mean the phone or the unit at the store?
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ShadowLea said:
Far, far too unsafe for public use. You can hack it with stickers for goodness sake.
Not to mention, people are far too moronic in the way and guard they use their phones to make this work. On an average day at Uni, I see about 200 phones I could nick without them noticing it. And consequentially use to pay for anything, because apparently people are not smart enough to realize that a pattern lock leaves a fingertrail. And their code is pretty much always a date of relevance. Which they've undoubtably mentioned somewhere on their Facebook.
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I love people who speak with authority about things they clearly know nothing about. "Hack it with stickers"? You're delusional.
Mobile NFC payments are far more secure than any other form of physical payment.
LoveNFC said:
I love people who speak with authority about things they clearly know nothing about. "Hack it with stickers"? You're delusional.
Mobile NFC payments are far more secure than any other form of physical payment.
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I'd be a little more convinced if your name wasn't "LoveNFC".
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I'd be a little more convinced if your name wasn't "LoveNFC".
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If you could provide details about how a sticker can hack nfc then maybe you could have a point. But as far as all the research I have done nfc payments are more secure than paying with a debit card.
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yankees45us said:
If you could provide details about how a sticker can hack nfc then maybe you could have a point. But as far as all the research I have done nfc payments are more secure than paying with a debit card.
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Because the NFC tag can be set to many things like storing and sending the info used to pay. And it doesnt take much to reprogram the tag, They are about as safe as a debt card which we all know is not 100%
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Because the NFC tag can be set to many things like storing and sending the info used to pay. And it doesnt take much to reprogram the tag, They are about as safe as a debt card which we all know is not 100%
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What tag are you talking about. The phones use an nfc chip and the stores use an nfc system. No one uses a sticker. The stickers your talking about are the ones sold that can let you perform tasks on your phone. What do they have to do with making secure payments from the phone.
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yankees45us said:
What tag are you talking about. The phones use an nfc chip and the stores use an nfc system. No one uses a sticker. The stickers your talking about are the ones sold that can let you perform tasks on your phone. What do they have to do with making secure payments from the phone.
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Its the Same tech. I installed these in a few stores and saw how easy it would be to allow it to be reprogrammed.
That's why just like if you see a weird looking atm and don't use it you should not use an nfc scanner. Plus you can tell if their is some weird sticker on the nfc scanner. And this proves again that using your phone is not unsecure it's the system that is at the store that can be compromised by idiots. Plus if your Google wallet app doesn't activate after swiping then that should be an indication of something going wrong. Plus those nfc task stickers do not have access to the Google wallet app. So what your saying is flawed and not the reason why stores are removing the units. I think the units are being tampered with by people or the store employees and stores don't want to deal with this. With updated nfc systems this security issue can be resolved. It's just a matter if this makes money for Google. If it doesn't they will just scrap it
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ShadowLea said:
Far, far too unsafe for public use. You can hack it with stickers for goodness sake.
Not to mention, people are far too moronic in the way and guard they use their phones to make this work. On an average day at Uni, I see about 200 phones I could nick without them noticing it. And consequentially use to pay for anything, because apparently people are not smart enough to realize that a pattern lock leaves a fingertrail. And their code is pretty much always a date of relevance. Which they've undoubtably mentioned somewhere on their Facebook.
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Just found out there's a new more secure nfc payment system. Saw it for the first time at toysrus. The swipe area for nfc payments is built in right to the touchscreen where you would enter prompts. This is a lot more secure and a solution to all these so called sticker problems. No one can put a sticker on the screen as it will block everyone from using it. Hopefully nfc payments get back on track. Just used mine at cvs and McDonald's
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