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Who needs froyo?

After a month of a stock captivate, my first android (was a crackberry addict), I rooted it then the next day installed my first ROM Firefly 1.5. I loved it, worked great with very few bugs then two days later I updated to 2.0.5 and have been running it for three days, it's even better. Once I got over the fact I could make a plastic brick I have started having fun, next up for a flash is Serendipity.
So with all these great hot rod ROM's why would I even want stock froyo?
Thank you XDA.

U are right I was running darky's 8.0.1
nani17

Ya at this point I don't really care.the only thing will be better source for the roms. I used to love perception and cognition but I have found my battery is loads better with firefly
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I think for most people it's two main things. First, all of our current ROMs are using source from a different phone. Some are other Captivates from other parts of the world or they use the I9000 as a base. I think alot of people would like to be able to use our own Captivate source to start from.
The second, and really the biggest issue for me, is that it simply hasn't been released yet. At this point I definately would NOT update to it but the fact that Samsung and AT&T haven't bothered to release Froyo really Pi$$es me off. I paid alot of money for this phone. I'd like to see some support for it. Especially since this "was" their flagship phone.

But did you buy the phone solely for the release of froyo? I bought the phone for what it was, like I have bought every phone, not for updates down the road that I didn't know about. After coming from Blackberry I love being able to play with anything and everything I want. Although if ATT does release froyo to us will it be that much different than what was released in Canada? Will any future ROM's have a better starting point?

Wraith04 said:
But did you buy the phone solely for the release of froyo? I bought the phone for what it was, like I have bought every phone, not for updates down the road that I didn't know about. After coming from Blackberry I love being able to play with anything and everything I want. Although if ATT does release froyo to us will it be that much different than what was released in Canada? Will any future ROM's have a better starting point?
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Quite frankly yes, my thinking they would quickly upgrade to Froyo was a big motivator to buy the Captivate. Certainly not the only reason but it was a consideration. Remember, when this was released they were teling us September to November for Froyo, all unofficial of course.
I'm more upset about the lack of support. They have a major issue, the GPS, that they haven't fixed with ANY update. They've had a phone out for 7+ months and they haven't released and update for 5 months.
Again, at this point I don't particularly care. But it will definately be something I consider when I upgrade my phone next time.

Same Here. I got the captivate just because of Super AMOLED screen and Froyo. FROYO is the minimum requirement to have Skype working in Galaxy S device. I guess I would just stick to the iOS device because it supports two Bluetooth headsets, keyboards, Skype video call, very intuitive copy and paste including the web format and pictures. ANDROID still has a lot to catch up.
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Did I buy it for Froyo? No. BUT a big reason I did choose it over othrr options is that soon it would have the ability to run flash. Guess what. It still doesn't. When my contract expires I'll be saying farewell to ATT & Samsung.
I settled for the best ATT had since they chose to invest in Windows Mobile and iPhone while ignoring Android and the rest of the family was still under contract. I paid new phone prices and ended up with a used phone when mine wouldn't stay turned on. Traded a phone that wouldn't stay on for one that the GPS doesn't work. Been jerked around by BOTH companies while trying to get the trouble fixed. In the mean time I got locked into a contract. I've been with ATT since they bought out Cingular here, and had Cingular because they had the best coverage. But coverage is meaningless if the phone doesn't work. I'll move to Verizon and it has nothing to do with the iPhone.
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Is Verizon any better though? I've been with Cingular/ATT for 10+ years and have had very few problems but had thought about switching to Verizon which seems like the only other viable network but ATT coverage has been great in Texas. I guess what I'm really saying is that anything beats a Blackberry Curve.

What todo?
Is Verizon any better though? If Verizon expects to sell >25,000,000 iphones in 2011, IMO stay with AT&T I got my first AT&T phone in 1983

I can agree to a point. Alot of users say we need the source. But i bet maybe a handfull of "devs" know what to do with it lol.
Just my opnion though.

I didn't buy my Captivate specifically for 2.2 but now that I have it on there it is quite an improvement. I have never put a custom rom on it so I can't compare to those but it is faster than 2.1 was.
If I never got the update I don't think I would be all that upset though because the cappy is a huge upgrade from my old htc Dream on 1.6. Also I never really had lag and my gps would always lock in 2.1 so it wasnt the huge upgrade for me that it would be for others.
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Coming from 10+ yrs of Nokia and symbian...my wishlist would be an unlocked, unbranded android device so we don't have to rely on the operator...The Captivate is the first subsidized device I've bought in a long time and probably the last. I'm not interested in flashing a custom rom on a subsidized phone. Hopefully there will be some availability in the near future of just a plain jane unlocked unbranded android phone and screw the operators of the world.

I have fun flashing custom roms............but...........my phone dont like them. I could be talking on the phone and all of a sudden I get a weird noise and the call drops. I tried numerous roms, kernals, and modems and they all do it. I wouldnt mind 2.1 if the data was faster and there was a mobile ap like the custom roms have.

mi04se1 said:
I have fun flashing custom roms............but...........my phone dont like them. I could be talking on the phone and all of a sudden I get a weird noise and the call drops. I tried numerous roms, kernals, and modems and they all do it. I wouldnt mind 2.1 if the data was faster and there was a mobile ap like the custom roms have.
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There's apps that support tethering for stock builds, as far as data goes, dl speeds should be comparable to customer roms, uploads speeds is where you see the difference if you're using HSUPA. Try forcing 850 or 1900 bands using SGS tools.
As as needing Froyo, meh!
I guess having the source is good but how much better is it really going to be? There are lots of stable/fast builds already off of official i9000 roms. I'm sooo over Froyo. Where's Gingerbread

mi04se1 said:
I have fun flashing custom roms............but...........my phone dont like them. I could be talking on the phone and all of a sudden I get a weird noise and the call drops. I tried numerous roms, kernals, and modems and they all do it. I wouldnt mind 2.1 if the data was faster and there was a mobile ap like the custom roms have.
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What's the big deal with mobile AP? I used a Nokia device on Symbian for years with Joiku hotspot and used it occasionally at best. Granted it worked fine when needed, but it would amount to about 1 day/year with all the wifi out there nowadays

rob989_69 said:
Quite frankly yes, my thinking they would quickly upgrade to Froyo was a big motivator to buy the Captivate. Certainly not the only reason but it was a consideration. Remember, when this was released they were teling us September to November for Froyo, all unofficial of course.
I'm more upset about the lack of support. They have a major issue, the GPS, that they haven't fixed with ANY update. They've had a phone out for 7+ months and they haven't released and update for 5 months.
Again, at this point I don't particularly care. But it will definately be something I consider when I upgrade my phone next time.
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Samsung did release GPSRestore in the market to "fix" the GPS issue, but it only restores the settings and doesn't correct the software issue. Nonetheless it is an attempted "fix".
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Hey Now! Finally upgraded again-- Holy Captivate batman

Started with HTC .. my kid just got his first (smart?)phone, my original TILT. haha thing is still working perfectly. After the tilt i really stepped up in the world with a FUZE, wow that thing worked great (but will only take being thrown across a room about 5x by my calculations.
Got my Captivate yesterday, WOW.
Like going from two cans with a string (well it is At&t afterall) to......
Help me describe the experience im at a loss.
Ok time to put more HD vids on the phone...
BRAVO to samsung for providing the user WITH useable storage too! nice to have 13 gigs to play with... HTC may have lost a customer for reals with this phone in my hand. (i lasted 1 years w/ the fuze, i may never flash this one - have to see how sluggish it gets as i fill it up)
Looking forward to helping out w/ testing and **** again around here.
wooooooooooot

freekquency said:
...i may never flash this one - have to see how sluggish it gets as i fill it up)
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Give it a week or two..

rpicaso said:
Give it a week or two..
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For sure, stock blows. And if you expect Froyo from AT&T, forget it.
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Nah. havent even looked to see what it is yet.
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Hey now! I enjoy my Captivate just as much as him. Just because AT&T is about as reliable as Virgin Mobile's service in terms of providing upgrades doesn't make this any less of an amazing phone. Out of all the phones that XDA has developed for (That I've owned), this one certainly takes the cake for the most developed. I hope you enjoy your captivate! And if something goes wrong, USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION. >

cappysw10 said:
For sure, stock blows. And if you expect Froyo from AT&T, forget it.
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pure speculation to which i speculate you will be proven wrong...
i speculate the push to 2.2 starts sometime in the 1.5-2 weeks after the mobile ap app becomes available on the 13th

freekquency said:
Started with HTC .. my kid just got his first (smart?)phone, my original TILT. haha thing is still working perfectly. After the tilt i really stepped up in the world with a FUZE, wow that thing worked great (but will only take being thrown across a room about 5x by my calculations.
Got my Captivate yesterday, WOW.
Like going from two cans with a string (well it is At&t afterall) to......
Help me describe the experience im at a loss.
Ok time to put more HD vids on the phone...
BRAVO to samsung for providing the user WITH useable storage too! nice to have 13 gigs to play with... HTC may have lost a customer for reals with this phone in my hand. (i lasted 1 years w/ the fuze, i may never flash this one - have to see how sluggish it gets as i fill it up)
Looking forward to helping out w/ testing and **** again around here.
wooooooooooot
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Overall it is a good phone.
A few aggravating quirks, but hey, I have yet to see anything perfect
Congrats on your new addition

Glad you like it man. Great phone; just go and get a custom launcher (I have about 6 of them lol) and have at it; if you don't like TouchWiz anyway.
But yea, if you ever get bored of the phone you should definitely install a custom rom on the phone; makes it that much better.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon

I actually used stock for about 4 months or so. Partly was because I was unaware about custom roms, and when I found out about then I was hesitant to flash just because I never done it before. I'm pretty technological, built my own computers, overclocked and ect, but flashing was new territory.
That said, I am absolutely stunned with my phone now. I didn't think it was sluggish before, but now I can't believe I edited that long. I really wish I took a video of my phone at stock and then flashed. Incredible.
Basically, any lag or slight slow down your captivate will experience will disappear with a new rom.
Samsung Captivate
Firefly 2.0.5
SpeedMod Q Big Mem
JK4 Modem

The more apps you have, the more you do, the more it starts to chug.
Big time.
My brother got one (and has since returned it), but after three weeks, that thing was unusable.

freekquency said:
i may never flash this one - have to see how sluggish it gets as i fill it up)
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It gets pretty sluggish after you have a few apps on it. I would definitely recommend flashing it because the stock just sucks...
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Definetly recommend flashing it. Do your research first, but you will really know see the difference and come to the realization that most do...should have done this sooner.
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Glad you are loving your new Captivate. GPS aside, I think hardware wise it is a fantastic phone, but only realized this after flashing ROMs developed by the guys here at XDA. The corporate/tech support behind the Captivate is what most of us gripe about. Flash away and donate, as you will surely be pleased with what you find. Good work deserves reward.

200 app an counting no lag here at all. Do the lag fix preferably ext4 voodoo.
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freekquency said:
...i may never flash this one...
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We all start there, and then...

I love the phone and have had it since August. No regrets minus the fact that AT&T are being...donkeys. Running Paragon ROM right now, stable as hell.

Yeah bro good phone. And rooting it to remove bloat made it even better. My girlfriend is jealous of it and she has a Droid2
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You will become addicted to flashing soon...
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haha reading this made me LOL. i was the same way. super happy with the phone when i got it. a week later, got frustrated with GPS not working. another week later, rooted phone to get rid of all the ATT crap that kept popping up. Then i decided to hang in there. 3 months and i wanted to throw the phone in a lake.
then i flashed w/ serendipity w/ speedmod and damn it was awesome! shows what the phone really can do. too bad samsung couldnt figure it out.

HaHa
better keep that can and string around. when the frustration sets in you'll need it

[Q] I'm Indecisive: Thunderbolt or Incredible 2?

My Incredible is currently on its last leg...random reboots/shutdowns and I'm outside the warranty. I'm currently rooted, running CM7 and I love it (CM7 and my Inc). I don't flash roms everyday or even every week (really haven't changed since moving to CM) but I like having the flexibility to do so if I want. So the question is do I go with the Thunderbolt or the Incredible 2?
The 4G on the Thunderbolt would just be added feature to me...nothing I need. I looked at the Thunderbolt yesterday and it seemed bulky compared to my current Inc; before that I was set to buy the Thunderbolt. So now I'm struggling...do I get the Thunderbolt that has root or get the Inc2, which I like size wise but only has temp root (and hope full root comes along)?
Question: Rooted Thunderbolt or Temp Root (for now) Incredible 2?

Rooted/Unrooted shouldn't be an issue.. the Inc2 will have stable root for sure.
I am myself coming from the incredible.. (which too I loved).. but I don't regret going over to the TB. The TB looks damn good.. better than the incredible in my opinion.
The extra real estate comes in handy quite a bit when you are browsing or when you are typing.
4G is a HUGE factor for me. Now that I have 4G all around my area.. I can't imagine going back to 3G. Market updates on the go are a lot faster.. downloads are a lot faster and apps that depend on the internet are a lot snappier..... plus the fact that VZW is offering unlimited 4G for 29.99 sweetens the deal.. (not sure if that offer will last for long though).
The bulk factor of the TB that you are talking about..is something you'll get used to within a few days.. so it really is no biggie.. but of course it feels builky to you now because it is new... and you are still using your incredible... But trust me.. after a few days.. it'll feel right.

Thanks for the quick response. I really have been trying not to factor root into the equation. Are there stability issues with the TB? I've been reading the TB forums for a week, since I decided I needed a new phone, and it seems like there might be issues. I also asked some friends at Verizon what their thoughts were and they pretty much told me to steer clear of the TB for now due to buginess...has that been your experience? I don't expect to have some of the problems they mentioned since it most likely wouldn't stay stock for too long.

blmartin said:
Thanks for the quick response. I really have been trying not to factor root into the equation. Are there stability issues with the TB? I've been reading the TB forums for a week, since I decided I needed a new phone, and it seems like there might be issues. I also asked some friends at Verizon what their thoughts were and they pretty much told me to steer clear of the TB for now due to buginess...has that been your experience? I don't expect to have some of the problems they mentioned since it most likely wouldn't stay stock for too long.
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It depends on what you are running. The latest MR2 has been as stable as a ROM could be... battery life even with 4G is pretty decent... no random reboots.. 4G to 3G exchange is seamless.. and over all it is pretty stable.
Gingerbread on the other hand has memory issues, battery issues etc.. though over all it IS kinda stable with the newer radio..
I don't think the leaked GB RUU is as stable or efficient as the latest FRoyo.. and most of them out there are running GB mainly because of the sense 3.0 lockscreen and weather aspects that have been cooked into it (they ARE pretty cool).. but honestly for me.. the stock MR2 Froyo is rock solid and unbeatable.. and I can easily wait until a better GB RUU is dropped.
You have 2 weeks to try out a new phone anyways.. so get yourself a TB.. root it.. install the MR2 stock.. and see how you like it..
If you don't.. then return it back to stock and exchange your phone for something you'll like better.

Another thing that a lot of people don't really mention but has a huge impact on how you use your phone. 4g allows you to browse the internet, recieve emails, texts etc while youre talking on it. Kind of nice in some situations. I take full advantage of it.

Carnage9270 said:
Another thing that a lot of people don't really mention but has a huge impact on how you use your phone. 4g allows you to browse the internet, recieve emails, texts etc while youre talking on it. Kind of nice in some situations. I take full advantage of it.
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excellent point.. but I believe it is possible only on 3G with the Thunderbolt (correct me if I am wrong).

kriskmk said:
You have 2 weeks to try out a new phone anyways.. so get yourself a TB.. root it.. install the MR2 stock.. and see how you like it..
If you don't.. then return it back to stock and exchange your phone for something you'll like better.
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That is what I thought as well...think I'm leaning that direction at this point.
Carnage9270 said:
Another thing that a lot of people don't really mention but has a huge impact on how you use your phone. 4g allows you to browse the internet, recieve emails, texts etc while youre talking on it. Kind of nice in some situations. I take full advantage of it.
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I didn't think about that...good point. 4G might be a selling point for me after all.

blmartin said:
I didn't think about that...good point. 4G might be a selling point for me after all.
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Once you experience 4G .. you wouldn't wanna go back to 3G.. plus the fact that you are getting 4G for the same price from VZW (cheapest in the industry at the moment).. is too good a deal to pass over.
Also factor in the fact the verizon's LTE network.. is wayyy better than sprints WiMax's or AT&T (infact ATT even released a statement that their 4G is not as advanced as Verizon's).

I have the Tbolt and my son has the Inc2. Both have been kept stock (no rooting/roms/etc) and neither one of us have experienced any of the problems that others complain about in the forums, with one exception. Both of have occasional problems syncing multiple email accounts. We live in an area with excellent signal coverage so I don't think that is the issue.
I liked the (slightly) smaller size of the Inc2 better (coming from an Imagio) but have gotten used to the Tbolt. I now prefer the larger screen since it is a bit easier on my eyes. Both phone screens are clear and bright. The on-screen keyboard is easier (for my fat fingers) to use on the Tbolt since it is a bit larger.
The external buttons on the Inc2 are better. The ones on the Tbolt feel mushy but work ok.
Speed of the apps on both seems similar. There is, of course, a bigger memory card on the Tbolt.
Inc2 is global, Tbolt is not so if you travel out of country a lot that might be a consideration.
We live in a 4g area so we can compare network speeds. This is where the huge difference is. The Tbolt download speeds on 4g typically run at 20 to 35 mbps. The best the Inc2 (3g) gets is 2.5 mbps. We can download the same program at the same time, and I will be downloaded, installed, and playing long before my son is finished downloading. I didn't think I would care that much but the Tbolt is a real pleasure in that regard. Unfortunately battery life on the Tbolt is somewhat worse as a result. The Inc2 will consistently go the whole day without charging. The Tbolt seems to be much more random, sometimes getting through the day (16-18 hrs), sometimes half that even though my usage is fairly consistent from day to day. I've disabled/changed settings on all the usual suspects without much effect.
Call quality, bluetooth, speakerphone, and voice commands are very good on both phones. Cameras work well on both.
All things considered, I do not regret getting the Tbolt and probably would again, even though the battery life is not the best. The only thing my son would change about his Inc2 is the lack of 4g. Otherwise he loves it.

Thanks for the comparison...it sounds like the TB size is something I could get use to. I think I'm leaning back towards the TB at this point.

Why did everyone suddenly abandon ship?

It's frustrating hearing all the fuss over the Mecha yet HTC doesn't even want to support their device. Sad really, especially if you can't afford another device

I honestly believe the reason the Mecha didn't get the update was due to Verizon, not HTC. I think HTC took the time to make the update, then it went to Verizon's metaphorical desk and sat there. If Verizon can convince existing members to upgrade, they will do it. The more your software gets updated, the less money they make. Stupid, greedy, marketing ploy in my opinion.
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I'm not sure what the fuss is about? I've run several ICS ROMs and there's really nothing to get excited about.
One important note, ICS will come (if and when it does come) with Sense 3.6 which is almost exactly the same as Sense 3.5 in the Eternity ROM and the BAMF ROM. Sense 4.x is a big change but ICS won't include it for the T'bolt(due maybe to insufficient memory?) In short, you won't see much difference.
My phone works just fine, it does everything I ask it to do and does it well.
FWIW, I'm running a Gingerbread ROM, Virus' excellent Eternity 8-4 and I'm staying with it, even after ICS is released, unless it's updated to some of the ICS features AND Sense 4.x!

I think the timing of people "abandoning ship" has as much to do with contracts coming up than anything else. That said, the lack of ongoing support for what HTC and Verizon positioned as the performance leader (at least at the time, and certainly as its first LTE phone) is what many are voicing frustration about. Combine that with technology consumers' typical desire to have what is "latest and greatest" and it isn't surprising that folks are looking at alternatives like DNA, S3, Note, N4, etc.
Me... I am happy enough with a stable phone that browses, gets and sends emails, and gets through a full day and evening on a charge. Sure, I'd like better battery life. More so, a better screen (bigger, brighter, sharper). Like a thinner form factor that is lighter. Would really like it to be able to display to a TV easily too. But a famous bike designer named Keith Bontrager had a famous saying when people came to him with requests for the "perfect" bike... "Strong. Light. Cheap. Pick Two." I suspect we will always being looking for the perfect phone and be forced to make our choice based on what is most important (and compromise on what we can do without).
btw, I have tried at least one of the ICS ROMs. And while it was a very good ROM through great work by the designer, the fact that they are all based on the same leak seems to limit what can be done or expected with them, and so those phones with ICS (or better yet, Jelly Bean) will always seem better. I can't afford a new phone now anyway... so hopefully when I can the newer phones will be closer to my ideal of perfect is.

xs11e said:
I'm not sure what the fuss is about? I've run several ICS ROMs and there's really nothing to get excited about.
One important note, ICS will come (if and when it does come) with Sense 3.6 which is almost exactly the same as Sense 3.5 in the Eternity ROM and the BAMF ROM. Sense 4.x is a big change but ICS won't include it for the T'bolt(due maybe to insufficient memory?) In short, you won't see much difference.
My phone works just fine, it does everything I ask it to do and does it well.
FWIW, I'm running a Gingerbread ROM, Virus' excellent Eternity 8-4 and I'm staying with it, even after ICS is released, unless it's updated to some of the ICS features AND Sense 4.x!
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The big deal for me is compatibility. More and more apps these days are requiring 4.0 and up. But really, I only ran the ICS Sense builds once and hated them - horrible battery drain, lag, etc. I've been running AOSP builds since they had working data as a DD, and even with the bugs, these ROMs perform better, IMHO than the AOSP GB ROMs did.

I'm selling my gs3 and getting the tbolt again. The gs3 is nice but too much for me. I could use the money anyway. I personally love the thunderbolt.
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I will be voting with my dollars, and loudly telling Verizon that their behavior regarding the Thunderbolt has been unacceptable.
I will be leaving them ASAP, and encouraging as many people as possible to defect, depriving VZW of cash flow. It's a tiny amount, but hopefully disgruntled former customers will make their voices heard.
I was skeptical about returning to VZW for the Thunderbolt. Their betrayal has me convinced that I was right to mistrust Verizon.
Never again. Bastards.

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BoulderGeek said:
I will be voting with my dollars, and loudly telling Verizon that their behavior regarding the Thunderbolt has been unacceptable.
I will be leaving them ASAP, and encouraging as many people as possible to defect, depriving VZW of cash flow. It's a tiny amount, but hopefully disgruntled former customers will make their voices heard.
I was skeptical about returning to VZW for the Thunderbolt. Their betrayal has me convinced that I was right to mistrust Verizon.
Never again. Bastards.
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Want to take advantage of Verizon's excellent network (no comparison in my area) for pennies on the dollar of what they charge? Page plus is a reseller that piggybacks on Verizons network. You can tell VZW to go f__k themselves permanently (with my light usage I went from $90 a month on verizon to $12 a month on page plus) and only had to send in my TBolt for some non rom flash thing that they had back to me in less than a week. I cancelled my VZW plan and paid the $250 penalty and have already recouped my costs. I was even able to keep the same number I had with Verizon. The only disadvantages are no LTE (lol on Thunderbolt no 30 min handwarmer) and their maximum data plan is 2 gig data a month. Truly not a shill and would keep this to myself so deal doesn't change in future but the whole VZW TBolt thing has p_ssed me off.
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Yeah this has left a bad taste in my mouth for non nexus phones, but unfortunately verizon is the only real option for my area.

underwaterjr said:
Yeah this has left a bad taste in my mouth for non nexus phones, but unfortunately verizon is the only real option for my area.
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Page plus cellular uses VZW network for a lot lower bills so they are an option where ever VZW is as long as you don't need LTE.

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dumas777 said:
Page plus cellular uses VZW network for a lot lower bills so they are an option where ever VZW is as long as you don't need LTE.
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I like twisted's ICS Rom, works pretty good and constantly getting better. I will be upgrading next year though.

mike dd said:
I like twisted's ICS Rom, works pretty good and constantly getting better. I will be upgrading next year though.
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I agree that twisted's ICS rom works very well. I have been using it now since it came out. It is very responsive and works 100%. Also there is constant support for it updates are always coming out.

I got tired of no one else creating ROMs for us so I am working on my own right now. Testing the waters on battery life first before I move on to theming and other customizations.
Not going anywhere with this phone. Works too well.
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Turd Furguson said:
I got tired of no one else creating ROMs for us so I am working on my own right now. Testing the waters on battery life first before I move on to theming and other customizations.
Not going anywhere with this phone. Works too well.
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If you're interested in someone doing any testing, I would be happy to test it.

Also, you guys made me appreciate what we've got, thank you

I also love my TB and I have compared it to other phones. This is my first Android phone but I've had experience with the DROID 2 and the SGS3. I do love the S3's bigger screen however but even after I get another phone I will be keeping this phone.
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Turd Furguson said:
I got tired of no one else creating ROMs for us so I am working on my own right now. Testing the waters on battery life first before I move on to theming and other customizations.
Not going anywhere with this phone. Works too well.
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Twisted's (credit also to liquid) rom does rule and makes continuing to the use the TBolt viable for at least some time. The ICS leak and derivatives are not ready to be dd imho plus sense sucks. I don't want to blow $300 (screw contracts) on another phone any time soon so nothing but props to Twisted.

dumas777 said:
Twisted's (credit also to liquid) rom does rule and makes continuing to the use the TBolt viable for at least some time. The ICS leak and derivatives are not ready to be dd imho plus sense sucks. I don't want to blow $300 (screw contracts) on another phone any time soon so nothing but props to Twisted.
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Haven't tried any of his builds yet. The way people are raving might have to give it a shot. Been stuck on t-shed 1.5, it has been to rock solid to try anything new.
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Nexus 4 Straighttalk
Im thinking Nexus 4 on straighttalk if i dont get ICS By the end of the year on my thunderbolt im skipping and upgrading and ill finally be able to tell verizon to kiss my ass. I actually think ill start paying yearly and pay straighttalk off fo a year and save even more money.

Not everyone is jumping ship.... Some are just boarding...
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Blaze 4G Modem

Flashed this modem based on reports that it would improve 4G speeds and reception. Now my phone refuses to connect to data at ALL. Going to re-flash old modem. Wanted to see if anyone else has heard of this, or if I missed something other than flashing the zip from CWM?

Check your APN settings. New modems are installed by flashing a zip in CWM. You got it right.

orange808 said:
Check your APN settings. New modems are installed by flashing a zip in CWM. You got it right.
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That was the first thing I checked. Everything looked fine. Went back and flashed the KD1 modem. Works great but not nearly like the claims of the blaze modem. I feel like it's an elaborate hoax.

jcurtiswood said:
That was the first thing I checked. Everything looked fine. Went back and flashed the KD1 modem. Works great but not nearly like the claims of the blaze modem. I feel like it's an elaborate hoax.
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<shrug>
People see what they want to see.

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People see what they want to see.
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Just mean that I tried several times to flash the zip and each time it zapped my connectivity. I compared the hashes and it downloaded correctly. Not sure what the problem is.

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Just mean that I tried several times to flash the zip and each time it zapped my connectivity. I compared the hashes and it downloaded correctly. Not sure what the problem is.
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I meant people see what they want to see when they mod their phones.
Not being able to use this modem isn't costing you much in the way of performance. The stock KJ2 was more reliable (at least in my area). The biggest bottleneck to network performance is on t-mo's end. In theory, this phone should see better speeds as they upgrade the network itself.
Do you have connectivity problems with roms that have this modem baked in?

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I meant people see what they want to see when they mod their phones.
Not being able to use this modem isn't costing you much in the way of performance. The stock KJ2 was more reliable (at least in my area). The biggest bottleneck to network performance is on t-mo's end. In theory, this phone should see better speeds as they upgrade the network itself.
Do you have connectivity problems with roms that have this modem baked in?
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Oh I gotcha. I'm about to switch over ROMs from GG3.8 to something else. I haven't been too happy with any of the custom ROMs I've found on here. Most of them are only supported for 2 weeks before the devs go A.D.D. and start making something else. The few that have survived the longest have changed hands so many times that I worry about all of the overlooked problems and inherited glitches in code that may never get worked out. I wish someone would actually work on developing, rather than minor tweaks and skins. Most of the ROMs are copies of other ROMs but with new skins baked in.
I haven't noticed any huge problems with ROMs using the KJ2 modem other than low signal strength. I know that it was mostly on Tmo's end of things, but I figured any little boost I can get would help as I live in a somewhat rural area.

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Oh I gotcha. I'm about to switch over ROMs from GG3.8 to something else. I haven't been too happy with any of the custom ROMs I've found on here. Most of them are only supported for 2 weeks before the devs go A.D.D. and start making something else. The few that have survived the longest have changed hands so many times that I worry about all of the overlooked problems and inherited glitches in code that may never get worked out. I wish someone would actually work on developing, rather than minor tweaks and skins. Most of the ROMs are copies of other ROMs but with new skins baked in.
I haven't noticed any huge problems with ROMs using the KJ2 modem other than low signal strength. I know that it was mostly on Tmo's end of things, but I figured any little boost I can get would help as I live in a somewhat rural area.
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What can I tell ya...if it's so easy I'd like to see you sit down and come up with something new. If you don't want to wait until bhundven finishes all the hard work he is doing for us, just buy another phone and jump to another section of xda, dude.
I'll be retiring from the custom rom thing, anyway. Good luck and take care!

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btw, the roms for this phone do suck. sadly this phone never got any really good developers it would seem. it had a few good ones but they all left because this phone sucks.

SurvivorZer0 said:
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???....hahaha!
Annnnyway.... sorry for being rude. It is frustrating to run into those limitations with this phone.
Believe me... if I had a good computer, I'd be hacking the source and compiling.
Once again, I apologize. That was wrong of me.
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btw, the roms for this phone do suck. sadly this phone never got any really good developers it would seem. it had a few good ones but they all left because this phone sucks.
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Thanks for your input. Of course they suck. We made the roms suck on purpose just to annoy you. Lol.
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Well, I certainly hope you never publish any apps with that thin skin. You should see the reviews that devs have to read through..
Have a good one.

orange808 said:
Well, I certainly hope you never publish any apps with that thin skin. You should see the reviews that devs have to read through..
Have a good one.
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Hahaha....I'm back. New and improved Joker product. With a new secret ingredient: Smylex

RicAndroid said:
What can I tell ya...if it's so easy I'd like to see you sit down and come up with something new. If you don't want to wait until bhundven finishes all the hard work he is doing for us, just buy another phone and jump to another section of xda, dude.
I'll be retiring from the custom rom thing, anyway. Good luck and take care!
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I'm sorry. I didn't meant to offend. I've tried several ROMs, a few of them you've worked on. A lot of them I've really enjoyed for a while. What I've found is that a lot of modifications to the firmware and kernel have had negative effects on the stability of each ROM. Almost all I've tried have had trouble with radio dormancy - switching from WIFI to 4G have prevented the radio reactivating - forcing me to reboot often.
At one point, several "developers" have had multiple ROMs going at once. This can be done if one keeps considerable documentation for each project. If not, though, how the hell can you juggle that many projects without making considerable mistakes?
I've seen good work done by a lot of the devs on here, so I'm not bashing. But support for each ROM only lasts about two weeks MAX and then they cook some new ROM without fixing the previous one - and the cycle repeats all over again. It takes Android fragmentation to the extreme.
Take my criticism as an insult if you want, but it was only intended as a critique of the dev environment in general.
Currently I'm rolling stock KJ2, rooted, with all of the useless bloat removed.

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I'm sorry. I didn't meant to offend. I've tried several ROMs, a few of them you've worked on. A lot of them I've really enjoyed for a while. What I've found is that a lot of modifications to the firmware and kernel have had negative effects on the stability of each ROM. Almost all I've tried have had trouble with radio dormancy - switching from WIFI to 4G have prevented the radio reactivating - forcing me to reboot often.
At one point, several "developers" have had multiple ROMs going at once. This can be done if one keeps considerable documentation for each project. If not, though, how the hell can you juggle that many projects without making considerable mistakes?
I've seen good work done by a lot of the devs on here, so I'm not bashing. But support for each ROM only lasts about two weeks MAX and then they cook some new ROM without fixing the previous one - and the cycle repeats all over again. It takes Android fragmentation to the extreme.
Take my criticism as an insult if you want, but it was only intended as a critique of the dev environment in general.
Currently I'm rolling stock KJ2, rooted, with all of the useless bloat removed.
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Nah...no insult taken. My bad for being overly sensitive. I have noticed that the firmware on this phone just doesn't react very well to alterations.
Any slight deviation from the original structure just causes slight bugs and boot loops. My wife has a G2X with CyanogenMod 7.2 and it is so much more flexible.
I tried many experiments with init.d scripts to increase app storage, which work on the G2X BTW, with resulted in epic fails.
Let's see what bhundven can do to make this phone into what it should be.
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RicAndroid said:
Nah...no insult taken. My bad for being overly sensitive. I have noticed that the firmware on this phone just doesn't react very well to alterations.
Any slight deviation from the original structure just causes slight bugs and boot loops. My wife has a G2X with CyanogenMod 7.2 and it is so much more flexible.
I tried many experiments with init.d scripts to increase app storage, which work on the G2X BTW, with resulted in epic fails.
Let's see what bhundven can do to make this phone into what it should be.
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I'm hoping that he can hack something together. Else I think I'm just going to save up some cash and upgrade. If we could just get a GB equivalent version of CM on here I'd be set! Just missing out on a lot of good apps because I don't have the cash to drop on a new phone for a while. College student financials, you know what I mean?

jcurtiswood said:
I'm hoping that he can hack something together. Else I think I'm just going to save up some cash and upgrade. If we could just get a GB equivalent version of CM on here I'd be set! Just missing out on a lot of good apps because I don't have the cash to drop on a new phone for a while. College student financials, you know what I mean?
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That would be CM 7. That would be great but I'll be happy with CM 6.2. Yeah, it's still Froyo but at least the foundation would be set. It'll clean up the mess and the development would increase substantially.
It's weird. When you look at this hardware and compare it to the Nexus S and the Epic 4G, it is just so similar. I use the Epic themes and it just matches up perfectly. There is no doubt that JB would run on this without any problems.
I also cannot afford a new phone right now. Our day will arrive... and when it does, this phone will be almost like the Relay.
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RicAndroid said:
That would be CM 7. That would be great but I'll be happy with CM 6.2. Yeah, it's still Froyo but at least the foundation would be set. It'll clean up the mess and the development would increase substantially.
It's weird. When you look at this hardware and compare it to the Nexus S and the Epic 4G, it is just so similar. I use the Epic themes and it just matches up perfectly. There is no doubt that JB would run on this without any problems.
I also cannot afford a new phone right now. Our day will arrive... and when it does, this phone will be almost like the Relay.
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When your contract is up, call T-mo and let them know they sold you a "T-Mobile" BRANDED product. You bought the T-Mobile Sidekick 4G and you got stuck with crummy software. They allowed you to be abandoned in Samsung Touchwiz hades. Now, I'm not worrying about "how a dev devs", but AOSP isn't happening. Just get a Relay. If you explain what happened to you, they will probably cut you a sweetheart deal. Keep your Sidekick around and you can still use the keyboard to hack out code, write, and surf message boards on WiFi.

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When your contract is up, call T-mo and let them know they sold you a "T-Mobile" BRANDED product. You bought the T-Mobile Sidekick 4G and you got stuck with crummy software. They allowed you to be abandoned in Samsung Touchwiz hades. Now, I'm not worrying about "how a dev devs", but AOSP isn't happening. Just get a Relay. If you explain what happened to you, they will probably cut you a sweetheart deal. Keep your Sidekick around and you can still use the keyboard to hack out code, write, and surf message boards on WiFi.
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At the moment I got this phone, I was trying to decide between this and the myTouch 4G Slide. I was attracted to the full qwerty layout and was impressed with ayoteddy's work.
I look back now and regret not spending the extra cash. I still like the Sidekick but find myself hiding it from my coworkers at the T-Mobile call center here in Puerto Rico.
They are flaunting their Galaxies and HTCs running CyanogenMod 10....and I'm here with themes. LoL.
I will have a one year discount coming up and will take your advice. It is ashame that Samsung have clueless tools responding to emails so sending complaints would be pointless.
I am not losing faith in bhundven, however. He may be able to make this phone rise from the ashes.
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Just as a note for other Sidekick owners, I specifically asked the T-Mo rep I spoke to about selling a phone with a two year contract tha wasn't actually viable for two years. Froyo literally destroys your options on the Play Store and I have been forced to use old versions of almost every app on my device--just to get combatibility and stability. Considering I went through the additional effort of partially porting my own AOSP, I think I did everything I could... Maybe I came up short because I didn't spend enough time and maybe I could have given up more free time, but that's not really fair. I should have gotten Gingerbread. That was my case for an extra discount on my Relay.

RicAndroid said:
At the moment I got this phone, I was trying to decide between this and the myTouch 4G Slide. I was attracted to the full qwerty layout and was impressed with ayoteddy's work.
I look back now and regret not spending the extra cash. I still like the Sidekick but find myself hiding it from my coworkers at the T-Mobile call center here in Puerto Rico.
They are flaunting their Galaxies and HTCs running CyanogenMod 10....and I'm here with themes. LoL.
I will have a one year discount coming up and will take your advice. It is ashame that Samsung have clueless tools responding to emails so sending complaints would be pointless.
I am not losing faith in bhundven, however. He may be able to make this phone rise from the ashes.
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I spoke to bhundven, if any work gets done on it, it's gonna be sometime. He's got life to deal with. I told him to hold onto it until he manages to come across some time. No rushes. We're lucky this forum didn't end up in legacy devices after all. We had AdamOutler and krylon360 work on our phone. So we weren't left in the dark like some phones for companies like MetroPCS.