Ive been searching around on this topic for about one week and there doesnt seem to be a definitive answer on this. What I do know is that there is a custom rom flash counter in the download recovery menu that Samsung or AT&T can use to see if you modified the device. Im also hearing that on the 2.3.5 and above, using the USB jig doesnt allow you to reset that counter either anymore.
So..... to my question. It seems (if Im right) that rooting doesnt trip the counter. But Im guessing here. Specifically when I look at say the way DoomLord method works and the SuperOneClick it doesnt specifically talk about using ODIN (which again Im just assuming here). Then these methods put on CWM as your recovery menu that you can use to flash custom roms with.
I tried to analyze how that counter is tripped but some say it only trips if you flash a custom rom using ODIN and doesnt trip if you use CWM, but no real answer there.
I had a Skyrocket shortly before it had issues, I rooted it with DoomLord method, and put the Nexus 2.0 custom rom on it, then had to return it to stock using CWM, then unrooted it using DoomLords method. I didnt know about this flash counter till afterwards (after the device was replaced) so never got a chance to see if it tripped. But from what I read it says once its tripped this Yellow Warning logo or sign is always shown on bootup for a short time, mine definitely didnt have that.
So all in all just looking for a method to root/unroot and also once rooted flash custom roms (if even possible) without tripping that counter.
Thanks
Dixit
I root using doomlords, installed cwm recovery using rom manager app, and flashed custom rom through cwm.. did NOT trip counter.
Thats awesome. I believe that was the exact same way I did it on the now returned skyrocket.
Im wondering if the flash counter only trips if you flash custom roms using ODIN. I do see alot of other folks that mention their counters have tripped and are sitting in the 10-20-50 range already. But I also see the devs who produce the custom roms also claim it does not trip the counter, so I was kind of lost on what actually causes it to trip? Is it using ODIN to flash a custom rom? Does using CWM and not ODIN basically bypass that counter from tripping? Again Im speculating here as Im not an expert in this area, just got into Android. Came from being a BB user for almost 10 solid years.
Dixit
Yes... the only thing I've seen that trips the custom binary counter is flashing a boot.img (kernel) using Odin. If a. tar has a kernel in it, it will trip. If you use Odin to just flash the Recovery Partition (i.e., CWM) it will NOT trip the counter.... then use CWM to flash Rom/Kernel zip files, you will be OK. I've also Odin flashed the stock 3e Recovery and it did not trip.
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DoctorQMM said:
Yes... the only thing I've seen that trips the custom binary counter is flashing a boot.img (kernel) using Odin. If a. tar has a kernel in it, it will trip. If you use Odin to just flash the Recovery Partition (i.e., CWM) it will NOT trip the counter.... then use CWM to flash Rom/Kernel zip files, you will be OK. I've also Odin flashed the stock 3e Recovery and it did not trip.
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This.
Flashing the recovery partition (CWM or the stock 3e) with Odin, and flashing .zip files within CWM will NOT trip your counter.
Flashing anything else (back to stock, for example) in Odin WILL trip the counter.
If you need to return to stock, use a Clockwork backup. It's what I've been doing and I've flashed 4 or 5 different roms several times and am now back on the newest stock again with my counter at 0.
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I learned the hard way about Odin flashing. Tripped my counter 2 or 3 times while learning how to flash files to Samsung devices.
Fortune090 said:
This.
Flashing the recovery partition (CWM or the stock 3e) with Odin, and flashing .zip files within CWM will NOT trip your counter.
Flashing anything else (back to stock, for example) in Odin WILL trip the counter.
If you need to return to stock, use a Clockwork backup. It's what I've been doing and I've flashed 4 or 5 different roms several times and am now back on the newest stock again with my counter at 0.
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Thanks, this is what I suspected and you clearly confirmed it for me. Thanks again.
I had a good feeling that as long as one stays away from ODIN and uses CWM you would be fine. I did the same as you on the previous skyrocket, did a full backup of the device as stock on CWM then saved that off, then when I needed to return it back to stock, I simply restored that backup file.
So for those that have tripped it, just out of curiosity, is the statements true then that everytime you bootup you get that yellow warning symbol for a brief moment?
Dixit
There is no way to reset the counter at all? I have 2 clicks on it even though I've done nothing different from what I was doing on my Hercules, which had 0 clicks after A LOT of flashing
From what I read and searched you used to be able to use the USB jig and actually reset the "flash counter" before, but on the 2.3.5 and 2.3.6 Samsung updated the bootloader and you cannot do it anymore. Same issue is on the Galaxy SII side as well. So far no one has figured out a way to reset that counter on the latest bootloader.
Dixit
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So for those that have tripped it, just out of curiosity, is the statements true then that everytime you bootup you get that yellow warning symbol for a brief moment?
Dixit
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Nope... haven't seen one yet, and I reboot a lot.
But I know I've tripped it a couple of times.
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Ok so basically for what I understood ny some reading is that when you use ODIN to flash ROM's you get the flash-counter +1 and bye bye warranty.
Can the flash counter be reset ? if so how do you do it? is that done by flashing back the stock ROM?
Thanks
right now the only way to reset the counter is with uart. I am sure this will change down the line but for now that is all we have.
shansmi said:
right now the only way to reset the counter is with uart. I am sure this will change down the line but for now that is all we have.
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I saw uart mentioned before but still having a hard time researching it. Care to explain how do I go about obtaining and using one?
Just to share my experience. I flashed rom two times until now and my counter is still to zero. I never used Odin to root or flash.
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erykz said:
Just to share my experience. I flashed rom two times until now and my counter is still to zero. I never used Odin to root or flash.
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Did you use Odin to flash CWM?
I know once you have CWM you can just flash the rom. zip through recovery (and don't need to use Odin).
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Rom counter does not trip with stock Samsung firmware
I used Odin to root and go back to stock after using multiple roms, still at zero on counter
SnackCracker said:
Did you use Odin to flash CWM?
I know once you have CWM you can just flash the rom. zip through recovery (and don't need to use Odin).
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I root with this method
http://jjpda.blogspot.com/2011/11/how-to-root-galaxy-note-safest-way.html
it works for the skyrocket and many other phones.
after that I downloaded cwm from the market and I installed it as an regular application. never used Odin.
You can also root then use rommanager to install cwm from tye tmobile gs2
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Rom counter does not trip with stock Samsung firmware
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Thanks that's what I wanted to know.
Been browsing around a bit and noticed that some people want to completely revert back to stock, but they don't want to use ODIN, due to the fact it'll trigger the flash counter for warranty exchanges. It's a backup I made literally IMMEDIATELY after I flashed Clockwork recovery, so it's completely unrooted and untouched. Just wanting to ask around to see if it seems like something useful to others before I upload it. Let me know! Could just flash the stock recovery and be at a completely out-of-the-box state.
Or possibly use it to make a stock flashable .zip?
It wont get rid of root and cwm and super user.
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Been browsing around a bit and noticed that some people want to completely revert back to stock, but they don't want to use ODIN, due to the fact it'll trigger the flash counter for warranty exchanges. It's a backup I made literally IMMEDIATELY after I flashed Clockwork recovery, so it's completely unrooted and untouched. Just wanting to ask around to see if it seems like something useful to others before I upload it. Let me know! Could just flash the stock recovery and be at a completely out-of-the-box state.
Or possibly use it to make a stock flashable .zip?
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Actually I would certainly have a usefor this. I made some boneheaded decision and unistalled.a.couple.bloatware apps before I made my first nandroid.backup
This would be pretty useful when the ics ota comes around.
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In order to get back to "out of box" condition for warranty/return purposes you need to reinstall 2.3.5 or 2.3.6 stock ROM, KERNEL, and 3e Recovery. The only time (based on what I've read on SR Forum), the custom binary flash counter gets tripped is when you use Odin to flash a Kernel (boot.img). So I think what you are proposing is to flash stock ROM/KERNEL using CWM, then use Odin to flash the stock 3e Recovery partition. Odin should not trip the flash counter if you only Odin flash "recovery.img" and not the "boot.img" (kernel). Correct?
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It wont get rid of root and cwm and super user.
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I was running SkyIce before, fully rooted, and after restoring this, I no longer have root priveledges and Superuser.apk isn't anywhere to be found.
And yes, restoring this to get a stock kernel and everything back, then just flash stock 3e with Odin to get the recovery partition back to stock.
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Verizon got root and clockwork without tripping the bit counter. Why can't us T-Mobile users do the same?
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I think we could..
If I understand correctly. They flash a rooted system in odin and then push the custom recovery with adb. If we can flash a rooted system(which i imagine we can) why couldn't we then do the same with the recovery. Looks possible to me. If im right i wish i'd known that before i tripped the counter :/
Care to try?
billard412 said:
If I understand correctly. They flash a rooted system in odin and then push the custom recovery with adb. If we can flash a rooted system(which i imagine we can) why couldn't we then do the same with the recovery. Looks possible to me. If im right i wish i'd known that before i tripped the counter :/
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Since you allready triped the counter and created a backup (im guessing you did) can you try that method and see if it works?
I just got my NS4G back from Samsung as a warranty replacement, and it's been a nightmare. When I got it back, I wasn't able to make calls, and I had the dreaded "0:00 Call Ended" problem that has plagued other Samsungs. I finally got passed that by flashing ICS via Odin. I've since tried to agprude to custom JB roms by flashing through recovery, and every time I've done that I've had the phone freeze on bootup. I've tried this with multiple ROMs, verified checksums etc, and same problem. I also verified I had root by using Root Checker and also by accessing SuperUser.
Anyway, the only thing that's worked at all for me is Odin, so I'm looking for any JellyBean rom, whether it's stock or custom, that I can flash using Odin. There is a thread about a stock rom that can be flashed with Odin, but the files have been removed from that download site.
I've also tried unzipping ROMs, and repackaging them as a tar, and that hasn't worked either.
Thanks in advance.
Is there,a,rooted option Odin? Heimdall?
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Are you sure you are flashing correctly through recovery? Recovery must work. Also you have to be sure that your roms are for Nexus 4G.
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Ive read that flashing recovery trips the flash counter. However I started by flashing the root 66 prerooted in odin then simply using goo.im to flash twrp. I did this on 3 phones and now am testing return to stock on my phone and download mode and triangle away report no on custom binary and 0 flash counter respectively. Is this a fluke or the fact I used goo.im and not odin to flash recovery?
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Ive read that flashing recovery trips the flash counter. However I started by flashing the root 66 prerooted in odin then simply using goo.im to flash twrp. I did this on 3 phones and now am testing return to stock on my phone and download mode and triangle away report no on custom binary and 0 flash counter respectively. Is this a fluke or the fact I used goo.im and not odin to flash recovery?
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That's odd because I did something similar and my counter when up....
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" would apply here
What ever the status of the flash count reports in download mode is the final say.
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