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Currently running TPC v3...want to return my phone with hopes of getting a better screen. Anyways...I thought for sure I was screwed because I have been a flashohalic. I had never checked my counter prior to today...
And when I did there was no custom binary installed and I still had the green android dude...no triangle! I don't know how this is possible ....explanation?
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rawb123456 said:
Currently running TPC v3...want to return my phone with hopes of getting a better screen. Anyways...I thought for sure I was screwed because I have been a flashohalic. I had never checked my counter prior to today...
And when I did there was no custom binary installed and I still had the green android dude...no triangle! I don't know how this is possible ....explanation?
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Flashing rom's does not trip the counter. Using download mode and Odin trips the counter.......when u flash back to stock u Will trip the counter.
I don't care about the counter though so flash away
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Thank....so If I flash a stock Rom and stock recovery ....I should be able to return exchange my SR. It I'll still be rooted but most att reps only know how to get to recovery. Hoping I can slip this past them.
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If you want to stay super safe, only use Odin to flash CWM, then backup your rom IMMEDIATELY after. Then if you want to install an app, only use zips. I flashed a few roms with my first SR and the counter never reset, then when I wanted to go back, I just recovered my stock backup.
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Fortune090 said:
If you want to stay super safe, only use Odin to flash CWM, then backup your rom IMMEDIATELY after. Then if you want to install an app, only use zips. I flashed a few roms with my first SR and the counter never reset, then when I wanted to go back, I just recovered my stock backup.
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That's true... you could restore a CWM Nandroid stock image... but phone would still have CWM Recovery partition... someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you want to "return to stock " for an exchange, you'll need to put 3e Recovery back on and the only way I know of is to reflash stock 3e recovery tar via Odin3... no? And an Odin flash will trip the binary counter.
Flashing Samsung stock odin packages does NOT trigger the counter. Flashing none Samsung Odin packages does.
You can always flash back to stock and your counter will stay at zero it was zero.
for me was the other way around... I flashed stock rom to revert back and it triggered the counter.
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clubtech said:
Flashing Samsung stock odin packages does NOT trigger the counter. Flashing none Samsung Odin packages does.
You can always flash back to stock and your counter will stay at zero it was zero.
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For me it did trigger the counter flashing stock rom.
I dont get the point of the counter anyway?
is Samsung going to tell you you can't get it warrantied because you were having probelms with the phone and flashed it to see if it was a software issue? lol.
How do you check the counter?
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How do you check the counter?
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in download mode..
So I take it that since I still have the green Android cartoon rather than a triangle, I'm good?
how did u flash a TOM?
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jmollabi said:
how did u flash a TOM?
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I'd rather flash a Mary.
It was tricky and it went quicker than I had imagined
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Ok so basically for what I understood ny some reading is that when you use ODIN to flash ROM's you get the flash-counter +1 and bye bye warranty.
Can the flash counter be reset ? if so how do you do it? is that done by flashing back the stock ROM?
Thanks
right now the only way to reset the counter is with uart. I am sure this will change down the line but for now that is all we have.
shansmi said:
right now the only way to reset the counter is with uart. I am sure this will change down the line but for now that is all we have.
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I saw uart mentioned before but still having a hard time researching it. Care to explain how do I go about obtaining and using one?
Just to share my experience. I flashed rom two times until now and my counter is still to zero. I never used Odin to root or flash.
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erykz said:
Just to share my experience. I flashed rom two times until now and my counter is still to zero. I never used Odin to root or flash.
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Did you use Odin to flash CWM?
I know once you have CWM you can just flash the rom. zip through recovery (and don't need to use Odin).
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Rom counter does not trip with stock Samsung firmware
I used Odin to root and go back to stock after using multiple roms, still at zero on counter
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Did you use Odin to flash CWM?
I know once you have CWM you can just flash the rom. zip through recovery (and don't need to use Odin).
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I root with this method
http://jjpda.blogspot.com/2011/11/how-to-root-galaxy-note-safest-way.html
it works for the skyrocket and many other phones.
after that I downloaded cwm from the market and I installed it as an regular application. never used Odin.
You can also root then use rommanager to install cwm from tye tmobile gs2
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Thanks that's what I wanted to know.
Ive been searching around on this topic for about one week and there doesnt seem to be a definitive answer on this. What I do know is that there is a custom rom flash counter in the download recovery menu that Samsung or AT&T can use to see if you modified the device. Im also hearing that on the 2.3.5 and above, using the USB jig doesnt allow you to reset that counter either anymore.
So..... to my question. It seems (if Im right) that rooting doesnt trip the counter. But Im guessing here. Specifically when I look at say the way DoomLord method works and the SuperOneClick it doesnt specifically talk about using ODIN (which again Im just assuming here). Then these methods put on CWM as your recovery menu that you can use to flash custom roms with.
I tried to analyze how that counter is tripped but some say it only trips if you flash a custom rom using ODIN and doesnt trip if you use CWM, but no real answer there.
I had a Skyrocket shortly before it had issues, I rooted it with DoomLord method, and put the Nexus 2.0 custom rom on it, then had to return it to stock using CWM, then unrooted it using DoomLords method. I didnt know about this flash counter till afterwards (after the device was replaced) so never got a chance to see if it tripped. But from what I read it says once its tripped this Yellow Warning logo or sign is always shown on bootup for a short time, mine definitely didnt have that.
So all in all just looking for a method to root/unroot and also once rooted flash custom roms (if even possible) without tripping that counter.
Thanks
Dixit
I root using doomlords, installed cwm recovery using rom manager app, and flashed custom rom through cwm.. did NOT trip counter.
Thats awesome. I believe that was the exact same way I did it on the now returned skyrocket.
Im wondering if the flash counter only trips if you flash custom roms using ODIN. I do see alot of other folks that mention their counters have tripped and are sitting in the 10-20-50 range already. But I also see the devs who produce the custom roms also claim it does not trip the counter, so I was kind of lost on what actually causes it to trip? Is it using ODIN to flash a custom rom? Does using CWM and not ODIN basically bypass that counter from tripping? Again Im speculating here as Im not an expert in this area, just got into Android. Came from being a BB user for almost 10 solid years.
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Yes... the only thing I've seen that trips the custom binary counter is flashing a boot.img (kernel) using Odin. If a. tar has a kernel in it, it will trip. If you use Odin to just flash the Recovery Partition (i.e., CWM) it will NOT trip the counter.... then use CWM to flash Rom/Kernel zip files, you will be OK. I've also Odin flashed the stock 3e Recovery and it did not trip.
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DoctorQMM said:
Yes... the only thing I've seen that trips the custom binary counter is flashing a boot.img (kernel) using Odin. If a. tar has a kernel in it, it will trip. If you use Odin to just flash the Recovery Partition (i.e., CWM) it will NOT trip the counter.... then use CWM to flash Rom/Kernel zip files, you will be OK. I've also Odin flashed the stock 3e Recovery and it did not trip.
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This.
Flashing the recovery partition (CWM or the stock 3e) with Odin, and flashing .zip files within CWM will NOT trip your counter.
Flashing anything else (back to stock, for example) in Odin WILL trip the counter.
If you need to return to stock, use a Clockwork backup. It's what I've been doing and I've flashed 4 or 5 different roms several times and am now back on the newest stock again with my counter at 0.
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I learned the hard way about Odin flashing. Tripped my counter 2 or 3 times while learning how to flash files to Samsung devices.
Fortune090 said:
This.
Flashing the recovery partition (CWM or the stock 3e) with Odin, and flashing .zip files within CWM will NOT trip your counter.
Flashing anything else (back to stock, for example) in Odin WILL trip the counter.
If you need to return to stock, use a Clockwork backup. It's what I've been doing and I've flashed 4 or 5 different roms several times and am now back on the newest stock again with my counter at 0.
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Thanks, this is what I suspected and you clearly confirmed it for me. Thanks again.
I had a good feeling that as long as one stays away from ODIN and uses CWM you would be fine. I did the same as you on the previous skyrocket, did a full backup of the device as stock on CWM then saved that off, then when I needed to return it back to stock, I simply restored that backup file.
So for those that have tripped it, just out of curiosity, is the statements true then that everytime you bootup you get that yellow warning symbol for a brief moment?
Dixit
There is no way to reset the counter at all? I have 2 clicks on it even though I've done nothing different from what I was doing on my Hercules, which had 0 clicks after A LOT of flashing
From what I read and searched you used to be able to use the USB jig and actually reset the "flash counter" before, but on the 2.3.5 and 2.3.6 Samsung updated the bootloader and you cannot do it anymore. Same issue is on the Galaxy SII side as well. So far no one has figured out a way to reset that counter on the latest bootloader.
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So for those that have tripped it, just out of curiosity, is the statements true then that everytime you bootup you get that yellow warning symbol for a brief moment?
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Nope... haven't seen one yet, and I reboot a lot.
But I know I've tripped it a couple of times.
So I have to give up my s3 and the new owner doesn't want it rooted so how can I go about this I am on mb1 so any help much appreciated
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You can odin flash the Stock firmware to revert to stock and also use the "Triangle Away" app from market to reset flash count. You can find the stock firmware in one of the threads of open1your1eyes1.
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You can odin flash the Stock firmware to revert to stock and also use the "Triangle Away" app from market to reset flash count. You can find the stock firmware in one of the threads of open1your1eyes1.
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So basically flash the stock firmware for blk3 in the PDA slot ? And that's it nothing else ? Also if I use triangle away do I use it before or after I unroot
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So basically flash the stock firmware for blk3 in the PDA slot ? And that's it nothing else ? Also if I use triangle away do I use it before or after I unroot
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Depends if you have tripped the counter. If it is tripped will need Triangle away to fix. That brings up another problem. Have to be stock root for Triangle to work. This may require to Odin K3 and root. Run Triangle and then Odin K3 a second time. Then can OTA to MB1. Done.
If already on stock root just Run Triangle. May be able to flash a stock rooted rom and get Triangle to work and would only have to Odin K3 once. Never tried it. Always run Triangle immediately after firmware upgrade.
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Depends if you have tripped the counter. If it is tripped will need Triangle away to fix. That brings up another problem. Have to be stock root for Triangle to work. This may require to Odin K3 and root. Run Triangle and then Odin K3 a second time. Then can OTA to MB1. Done.
If already on stock root just Run Triangle. May be able to flash a stock rooted rom and get Triangle to work and would only have to Odin K3 once. Never tried it. Always run Triangle immediately after firmware upgrade.
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Stock root meaning? I'm on pacman ROM right now 4.2.2 how can I go about and is it true that you never know if you tripped the counter?
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I'm so confused
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havy15 said:
Stock root meaning? I'm on pacman ROM right now 4.2.2 how can I go about and is it true that you never know if you tripped the counter?
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Stock = TouchWiz, PACMan = AOSP. Make sense now?
You always know if you tripped the Flash Counter, it says so when you boot into Download mode. You can only trip the flash counter if you Odin flashed non-Samsung software (custom recovery for example).
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SlimSnoopOS said:
Stock = TouchWiz, PACMan = AOSP. Make sense now?
You always know if you tripped the Flash Counter, it says so when you boot into Download mode. You can only trip the flash counter if you Odin flashed non-Samsung software (custom recovery for example).
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Bingooooo I checked my download mode and it said that I have 1 counter and it says that I have custom binaries ? So let's go over this again please I wanna do this the proper way
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What is Odin k3
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1867253
This will answer all your questions and get it back to stock for sale/transfer/return.
Thanks that makes it simple
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Hello my friends, I would like to make sure I am clear on how to return the 1727 to stock in order to return to ATT for service.
My understanding thus far is that I must do the following:
1. Return to stock firmware using ODIN
2. Reset the flash counter
How do I delete the traces of CWM recovery, and also ODIN itself? Is it possible to make the phone look entirely 'unrooted' for ATT to fix and/or service?
Thanks!
Flash the stock rom with odin. It'll replace cwm with the stock recovery. You can use triangle away to reset the flash counter. Do that after returning to stock.
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otacon507 said:
Hello my friends, I would like to make sure I am clear on how to return the 1727 to stock in order to return to ATT for service.
My understanding thus far is that I must do the following:
1. Return to stock firmware using ODIN
2. Reset the flash counter
How do I delete the traces of CWM recovery, and also ODIN itself? Is it possible to make the phone look entirely 'unrooted' for ATT to fix and/or service?
Thanks!
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Hello friend! Read the stickies and previous threads asking the same question.
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xcrazydx said:
Hello friend! Read the stickies and previous threads asking the same question.
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did not see anything about the flash counter in the stickies, or any details about what happens to the custom recovery after ODIN restores to stock, thats why I made this post!
jd1639 said:
Flash the stock rom with odin. It'll replace cwm with the stock recovery. You can use triangle away to reset the flash counter. Do that after returning to stock.
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Are you sure triangle away will work with the 1727? Its not on the list of supported devices
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did not see anything about the flash counter in the stickies, or any details about what happens to the custom recovery after ODIN restores to stock, thats why I made this post!
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A stock tar restores stock 3e recovery. If you're counter had not been incremented, and it probably hasn't, you don't need triangle away. We also have a "counter reset" that you can flash if you have increased your counter. So, no need for triangle away anyways.
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A stock tar restores stock 3e recovery. If you're counter had not been incremented, and it probably hasn't, you don't need triangle away. We also have a "counter reset" that you can flash if you have increased your counter. So, no need for triangle away anyways.
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Thanks crazy, Im not getting a triangle but my counter is definitely incremented from flashing cfw through odin. Looks like I'll be squared away soon, my thanks again! Much appreciated!
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Thanks crazy, Im not getting a triangle but my counter is definitely incremented from flashing cfw through odin. Looks like I'll be squared away soon, my thanks again! Much appreciated!
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What is cfw? And did you actually check the counter?
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xcrazydx said:
What is cfw? And did you actually check the counter?
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unofficial firmware. and I checked the counter in ODIN after using the flash reset and it is back to 'NO'. I am assuming flashing a stock firmware using a recovery tar will no retrip the counter, so i am good? Thank you !
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unofficial firmware. and I checked the counter in ODIN after using the flash reset and it is back to 'NO'. I am assuming flashing a stock firmware using a recovery tar will no retrip the counter, so i am good? Thank you !
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Using the official tar from sammobile will not trip the counter. You are good.
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the only way you could of tripped the counter was by flashing koanes tar rom from way back in the i727 early development or similiar modded roms which there are none that tripped the counter in the past 12months or more. if you did trip the counter there is a reset fix in the 1stop sticky, triangle away wont work for our devices
to return to att just use odin to return to stock as it will replace everything you flashed and be completely stock, just follow the guides
Do you have to use Odin or will one of the cwm flashable stock JB Roms by Mohan + factory reset suffice?
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jondroid2 said:
Do you have to use Odin or will one of the cwm flashable stock JB Roms by Mohan + factory reset suffice?
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I suppose you could do flashable zips but you still have to return to the stock recovery. I'm pretty sure there is a flashable stock recovery around somewhere.
Does it matter if the stock recovery is listed as an ICS stock recovery or will it work for JB also?
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Does it matter if the stock recovery is listed as an ICS stock recovery or will it work for JB also?
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It won't matter if it's ics or jb since there both officially released by att. You can find the stock firmware at sammobile.com. They're zip files and you'll need to extract the .tar.md5 file from them to use in odin. Use 7-zip to extract.
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