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flashcounter question

Ok so basically for what I understood ny some reading is that when you use ODIN to flash ROM's you get the flash-counter +1 and bye bye warranty.
Can the flash counter be reset ? if so how do you do it? is that done by flashing back the stock ROM?
Thanks

right now the only way to reset the counter is with uart. I am sure this will change down the line but for now that is all we have.

shansmi said:
right now the only way to reset the counter is with uart. I am sure this will change down the line but for now that is all we have.
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I saw uart mentioned before but still having a hard time researching it. Care to explain how do I go about obtaining and using one?

Just to share my experience. I flashed rom two times until now and my counter is still to zero. I never used Odin to root or flash.
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erykz said:
Just to share my experience. I flashed rom two times until now and my counter is still to zero. I never used Odin to root or flash.
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Did you use Odin to flash CWM?
I know once you have CWM you can just flash the rom. zip through recovery (and don't need to use Odin).
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Rom counter does not trip with stock Samsung firmware

I used Odin to root and go back to stock after using multiple roms, still at zero on counter

SnackCracker said:
Did you use Odin to flash CWM?
I know once you have CWM you can just flash the rom. zip through recovery (and don't need to use Odin).
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I root with this method
http://jjpda.blogspot.com/2011/11/how-to-root-galaxy-note-safest-way.html
it works for the skyrocket and many other phones.
after that I downloaded cwm from the market and I installed it as an regular application. never used Odin.

You can also root then use rommanager to install cwm from tye tmobile gs2

silver03wrx said:
Rom counter does not trip with stock Samsung firmware
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Thanks that's what I wanted to know.

[Q] Rooting and Flashing custom rom without tripping counter

Ive been searching around on this topic for about one week and there doesnt seem to be a definitive answer on this. What I do know is that there is a custom rom flash counter in the download recovery menu that Samsung or AT&T can use to see if you modified the device. Im also hearing that on the 2.3.5 and above, using the USB jig doesnt allow you to reset that counter either anymore.
So..... to my question. It seems (if Im right) that rooting doesnt trip the counter. But Im guessing here. Specifically when I look at say the way DoomLord method works and the SuperOneClick it doesnt specifically talk about using ODIN (which again Im just assuming here). Then these methods put on CWM as your recovery menu that you can use to flash custom roms with.
I tried to analyze how that counter is tripped but some say it only trips if you flash a custom rom using ODIN and doesnt trip if you use CWM, but no real answer there.
I had a Skyrocket shortly before it had issues, I rooted it with DoomLord method, and put the Nexus 2.0 custom rom on it, then had to return it to stock using CWM, then unrooted it using DoomLords method. I didnt know about this flash counter till afterwards (after the device was replaced) so never got a chance to see if it tripped. But from what I read it says once its tripped this Yellow Warning logo or sign is always shown on bootup for a short time, mine definitely didnt have that.
So all in all just looking for a method to root/unroot and also once rooted flash custom roms (if even possible) without tripping that counter.
Thanks
Dixit

I root using doomlords, installed cwm recovery using rom manager app, and flashed custom rom through cwm.. did NOT trip counter.

Thats awesome. I believe that was the exact same way I did it on the now returned skyrocket.
Im wondering if the flash counter only trips if you flash custom roms using ODIN. I do see alot of other folks that mention their counters have tripped and are sitting in the 10-20-50 range already. But I also see the devs who produce the custom roms also claim it does not trip the counter, so I was kind of lost on what actually causes it to trip? Is it using ODIN to flash a custom rom? Does using CWM and not ODIN basically bypass that counter from tripping? Again Im speculating here as Im not an expert in this area, just got into Android. Came from being a BB user for almost 10 solid years.
Dixit

Yes... the only thing I've seen that trips the custom binary counter is flashing a boot.img (kernel) using Odin. If a. tar has a kernel in it, it will trip. If you use Odin to just flash the Recovery Partition (i.e., CWM) it will NOT trip the counter.... then use CWM to flash Rom/Kernel zip files, you will be OK. I've also Odin flashed the stock 3e Recovery and it did not trip.
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DoctorQMM said:
Yes... the only thing I've seen that trips the custom binary counter is flashing a boot.img (kernel) using Odin. If a. tar has a kernel in it, it will trip. If you use Odin to just flash the Recovery Partition (i.e., CWM) it will NOT trip the counter.... then use CWM to flash Rom/Kernel zip files, you will be OK. I've also Odin flashed the stock 3e Recovery and it did not trip.
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This.
Flashing the recovery partition (CWM or the stock 3e) with Odin, and flashing .zip files within CWM will NOT trip your counter.
Flashing anything else (back to stock, for example) in Odin WILL trip the counter.
If you need to return to stock, use a Clockwork backup. It's what I've been doing and I've flashed 4 or 5 different roms several times and am now back on the newest stock again with my counter at 0.
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I learned the hard way about Odin flashing. Tripped my counter 2 or 3 times while learning how to flash files to Samsung devices.

Fortune090 said:
This.
Flashing the recovery partition (CWM or the stock 3e) with Odin, and flashing .zip files within CWM will NOT trip your counter.
Flashing anything else (back to stock, for example) in Odin WILL trip the counter.
If you need to return to stock, use a Clockwork backup. It's what I've been doing and I've flashed 4 or 5 different roms several times and am now back on the newest stock again with my counter at 0.
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Thanks, this is what I suspected and you clearly confirmed it for me. Thanks again.
I had a good feeling that as long as one stays away from ODIN and uses CWM you would be fine. I did the same as you on the previous skyrocket, did a full backup of the device as stock on CWM then saved that off, then when I needed to return it back to stock, I simply restored that backup file.
So for those that have tripped it, just out of curiosity, is the statements true then that everytime you bootup you get that yellow warning symbol for a brief moment?
Dixit

There is no way to reset the counter at all? I have 2 clicks on it even though I've done nothing different from what I was doing on my Hercules, which had 0 clicks after A LOT of flashing

From what I read and searched you used to be able to use the USB jig and actually reset the "flash counter" before, but on the 2.3.5 and 2.3.6 Samsung updated the bootloader and you cannot do it anymore. Same issue is on the Galaxy SII side as well. So far no one has figured out a way to reset that counter on the latest bootloader.
Dixit

dixit said:
So for those that have tripped it, just out of curiosity, is the statements true then that everytime you bootup you get that yellow warning symbol for a brief moment?
Dixit
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Nope... haven't seen one yet, and I reboot a lot.
But I know I've tripped it a couple of times.

Is it possible to root without Odin?

I have a Galaxy Tab 7.0 plus, and I was able to install CWM and root it using this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1379532
Flashed CWM and root through stock recovery then just installed the SuperUser app from market. That was it. Seeing as this is a Samsung device as well, why does Odin have to be used to install CWM/root? Using Odin means your flash counter goes up... doing it through stock recovery did not cause my counter to move on my Tab 7.0 plus.

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This is an interesting idea to me. Can anyone else confirm that this method works? I've got a Tab 2 10.1 that I've been really holding back on rooting, etc because of the ODIN flash counter not being able to be reset yet.
I'm curious to see how this turns out. I may have just found my in if I can do it through the stock recovery

Hopefully we'll get TriangleAway someday, which will make this an non-issue. We already *almost* have Mobile ODIN.

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need someone able to create SU zip flashable with stock recovery, once rooted, can install mobile odin to flash custom recovery without increasing the flash binary counter... then again i'm no dev , just a suggestion that i have in mind...
sorry if still bumpity bump without actual solution...

baliriot said:
need someone able to create SU zip flashable with stock recovery, once rooted, can install mobile odin to flash custom recovery without increasing the flash binary counter... then again i'm no dev , just a suggestion that i have in mind...
sorry if still bumpity bump without actual solution...
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What's the problem with flash counter ? Your tab will blow up after 10 flash ?

Green78 said:
What's the problem with flash counter ? Your tab will blow up after 10 flash ?
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That's how they can tell if you've modded the tablet and voided the warranty
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Be careful
rooted roccin official cm9 via da swagged out gt3113

custom opened padlock

i rooted my s3, then i unlocked the bootloader. i still havent flashed anything but now when i reboot my phone i get the custom notification with the unlocked padlock. did i do something wrong or is this normal.
edit: i used a windows based program to root and i used twrp to flash the unlocked bootloader
I am waiting on a stable completely functioning rom before flashing.

krbernier said:
i rooted my s3, then i unlocked the bootloader. i still havent flashed anything but now when i reboot my phone i get the custom notification with the unlocked padlock. did i do something wrong or is this normal.
edit: i used a windows based program to root and i used twrp to flash the unlocked bootloader
I am waiting on a stable completely functioning rom before flashing.
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Sounds like it's not unlocked if you still have the custom boot screen. What method did you use to unlock?

You are not unlocked. When your bootloader is unlocked that Samsung screen just flies by. No padlock no waiting.
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Thanks! i used a windows batch file to do the unlock...guess ill give it another go.

worked thanks!

My SGiii now does this when booting. I have root. I used the devFS root method. I to my knowledge I have not flashed the boot loader. Is this what people were talking about by adding one to there flash counter? If so I might as well flash cwm.
Is my warranty void now?
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Xiuix said:
My SGiii now does this when booting. I have root. I used the devFS root method. I to my knowledge I have not flashed the boot loader. Is this what people were talking about by adding one to there flash counter? If so I might as well flash cwm.
Is my warranty void now?
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Has nothing to do with flash counter. It shows that software is modified and is caused by root. Unlocking the bootloader will get rid of lock. Warranty is void only if you don't revert to stock before return.

[ROOT] Universal root method for all variants.

hey guys, this is just a package made with my "Rickys Rom Kitchen", will root any android device with a working custom recovery!
Note: all i did was make this universal and make it a flashable zip.
So, you know the drill, your warranty is now viod, flash at your own risk blah blah.
How to root?
1. Flash philztouch recovery or any supported recovery for your device with odin - INSTRUCTIONS AND DOWNLOAD HERE
2. Make a nandroid backup from within philztouch recovery
3. Flash my universal S5 rootkit INSIDE PHILZTOUCH recovery - DOWNLOAD FROM HERE(PhilzTouch)
4. (OPTIONAL) install busybox from playstore and download my Samsung Tool app and backup EFS! - DOWNLOAD HERE
Thats all.
Credits - Chainfire (for SuperSu and binaries)

I take it this also trips Knox?

morphjk said:
I take it this also trips Knox?
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knox will be tripped by flashing philztouch

ricky310711 said:
knox will be tripped by flashing philztouch
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Thought so just wanted to confirm. Will need to root my device soon.

Nice one ricky!

Thank you Ricky

Does this work with the sprint version?

Prodigyofwealth said:
Does this work with the sprint version?
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ANY variant with a working recovery..

Someone with Verizon GS5 give this a go
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Syn Ack said:
Someone with Verizon GS5 give this a go
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Uh. I need working recovery?
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blulite said:
Uh. I need working recovery?
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im pretty sure philztouch works on any variant?

Any word on sim unlock ?!

regarding KNOX
sorry, don't want to turn this thread into a discussion, but it feels appropriate to ask here;
once Knox is tripped, can it be re-instated?
I don't mean reducing the counter back from 0x1 to 0x0, erasing all evidence of a rooting,
rather,just allowing the device back to a secure state.

Even SM-g900a?
So this universal root method will also work on the AT&T varient?
Samsung galaxy S5 SM-g900a?
can someone confirm this working?

Will this work under Canadian's carrier?

Failure on AT&T
I have tried multiple versions of ODIN and I am unable to flash this recovery.

rdnckreaper said:
I have tried multiple versions of ODIN and I am unable to flash this recovery.
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Have you tried to push it through adb? Sometimes that method works when Odin fails

slimc84 said:
Have you tried to push it through adb? Sometimes that method works when Odin fails
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I have never done a push...I don't really know what to do but if someone told me then I know I could do it. I am downloading the SDK right now and will install it. I just need some help knowing what to do to get it done.

blkghost22 said:
So this universal root method will also work on the AT&T varient?
Samsung galaxy S5 SM-g900a?
can someone confirm this working?
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I would like to know the same.
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JesseTron said:
I would like to know the same.
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NO IT WILL NOT!!!! BEEN TRYING TO GET IT TO WORK FOR A COUPLE HOURS NOW!!!! Having to learn ADB and see if I can push it through because I am about to break this stupid phone!!!! SCREW AT&T AND THEIR IDEALS!!!!