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what direction should phone cpus go, faster or multi-core???

Hey Everyone
Wasn't really sure where this post should go since it's not really dev or hacking related but it didn't really seem to fit in any of the other subforums either :-(
I was wondering what everyone's take on the future of smart phone processors is, I mean what seems to be a better road to travel: multi-core cpus or faster and faster cpus?
I ask because we already have 1ghz phones and motorola is talking about a 2ghz phone by years end and then there are the dual core chips that have been rumored to be circulating from qualcom.
How beneficial would multi-core chips be in reality on a phone? I could see maybe having the phone os running on one core and then all apps operating on a second core but I doubt that is the way things would get implemented.

dsMA said:
How beneficial would multi-core chips be in reality on a phone? I could see maybe having the phone os running on one core and then all apps operating on a second core but I doubt that is the way things would get implemented.
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Considering that adding cores is the way that PC chips overcame physical limitations in clock speed, I think that's the way it's going to go. Phones can't run nearly as hot as PCs and still be considered to run within acceptable levels, so I'd say having a multitude of relatively slow cores would be beneficial (most Android apps are multithreaded anyway, so they can already take advantage of multiple cores).

I was just wondering if I should make the leap for a ghz phone this year or hold out for the first multi-core phones next year.
How are most Android apps threaded?
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Android apps, like pretty much any GUI app, have a UI thread and however many worker threads you need (especially if you're reading network/file data). Any time you see the ProgressDialog, threads are running around doing their thing.
Invariably you will always purchase a phone immediately before it becomes obsolete, so what's the use of waiting? If you stand to gain from a 1GHz phone, just go for it. The next time you upgrade there will be multi-core processors, and if not, the processor might run so hot you have an app that actually can make coffee for you.

IMHO - I'd rather have better battery life than multiple CPUs.
While more speed is nice, a realistic battery life is essential.

¿GotJazz? said:
IMHO - I'd rather have better battery life than multiple CPUs.
While more speed is nice, a realistic battery life is essential.
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I'd rather have both. Nowadays, realistic battery life is somewhere in between 16-24 hours with normal to heavy use. I can do that now. 16 and more hours is very good, as long as you don't live in the jungle with no sockets.
And while it will be difficult to achieve such battery life with more cores, I think that a well designed SoC can do it.

very interesting topic for discussion, my thing is what are we gonna do with a dual core Cpu in a smart ph. I mean if you can give me a high end ph with a single core processor with above average battery life I would take that over say a dual core processor with below average or just average battery life.
It all comes down to what one is willing to sacrifice for power and speed...

faster, no.
more cores, no.
lower power, yes.
dedicated mobile gpu, HELL YESS!

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Multi core all the way!!!
More power!
I'll probably get a 10" tablet for my next phone anyway, and do all my talking by earpiece.
As for battery life, we do not need gimped hardware. What we need is for phone manufacturers to get over the fixation on smaller, lighter phones. The Vibrant is so thin I can hardly pick it up without touching the screen SOMEWHERE.
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daveob said:
what is.................
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ph-one... like phone maybe?
And I agree about the waiting game. There is almost no point in waiting for anything because it will most certainly be outdone within months. For me a reasonable "wait" would be under a month from when I choose to change my phone. (Come on Epic...)
I believe multi-core will eventually catch on, just like in pc's, but now I'm mainly focused on the success of a good combo of cpu/gpu. (Come on Epic...)

steve.h said:
Android apps, like pretty much any GUI app, have a UI thread and however many worker threads you need (especially if you're reading network/file data). Any time you see the ProgressDialog, threads are running around doing their thing.
Invariably you will always purchase a phone immediately before it becomes obsolete, so what's the use of waiting? If you stand to gain from a 1GHz phone, just go for it. The next time you upgrade there will be multi-core processors, and if not, the processor might run so hot you have an app that actually can make coffee for you.
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I am up for renewal in Nov. I am on Sprint so it is shaping up to be a decision between EVO and Epic. I don't care for slide out keyboards but I am leaning towards Epic.
It just seems like this generation of phones is already obsolete (with the rumored 2ghz motorola and possibly dual core ultimate tmobile phone) and they are just starting to come out.
What I really need is a keyboard that doesn't lag lol

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I'd rather have both. Nowadays, realistic battery life is somewhere in between 16-24 hours with normal to heavy use. I can do that now. 16 and more hours is very good, as long as you don't live in the jungle with no sockets.
And while it will be difficult to achieve such battery life with more cores, I think that a well designed SoC can do it.
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16-24hrs with normal to heavy use...what phone are you using? I am on a htc hero and if lucky can get maybe 14hrs on with 3 to 4hrs of use :-( and that is with light txting and twitter reading.

dsMA said:
16-24hrs with normal to heavy use...what phone are you using? I am on a htc hero and if lucky can get maybe 14hrs on with 3 to 4hrs of use :-( and that is with light txting and twitter reading.
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With heavy browsing/texting all day at my 9-5, and plenty of use at night, I unplug from the charger at 6AM and by the time I get home around 6 I'm usually at ~ 50% battery with the aforementioned heavy usage. I'm running the Darchdroid rom. before I rooted etc I was getting like 6 hours with heavy use, it's insane what the roms can do. Try it if you haven't yet!
I'll be happy with my Hero for awhile as far as a phone goes, but I'm really interested to see what the tablets coming out this fall have to offer, speed-wise.

Col.Kernel said:
As for battery life, we do not need gimped hardware. What we need is for phone manufacturers to get over the fixation on smaller, lighter phones. The Vibrant is so thin I can hardly pick it up without touching the screen SOMEWHERE.
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I was thinking that the Galaxy S series is an ideal candidate for some kind of extended battery. It's already so thin and light, it wouldn't hurt to add more weight and a bit of depth, and since the back cover is one plastic piece, that could be replaced with one accommodating a larger battery without producing odd bulges.

manonbr said:
With heavy browsing/texting all day at my 9-5, and plenty of use at night, I unplug from the charger at 6AM and by the time I get home around 6 I'm usually at ~ 50% battery with the aforementioned heavy usage. I'm running the Darchdroid rom. before I rooted etc I was getting like 6 hours with heavy use, it's insane what the roms can do. Try it if you haven't yet!
I'll be happy with my Hero for awhile as far as a phone goes, but I'm really interested to see what the tablets coming out this fall have to offer, speed-wise.
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I am using Alyosius 2.1.2. It combines both sense and asop. I like sense and I need the asop contacts app to limit which contact groups are displayed in both contacts and people. I also have a really hard time with any oc kernel :-( I think I tired the new uv/oc kernel and never was able to get past the boot screen :-(
I have been thinking about doing doing another backup and trying it again to see what happens.

Mithent said:
I was thinking that the Galaxy S series is an ideal candidate for some kind of extended battery. It's already so thin and light, it wouldn't hurt to add more weight and a bit of depth, and since the back cover is one plastic piece, that could be replaced with one accommodating a larger battery without producing odd bulges.
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Hopefully there will be larger replacement batteries and accompanying faceplates for the galaxy s. Someone wrote that it is easy to find after market battery and faceplates for htc phones but I haven't really found any in particular for my hero.

I see them going with more cores. Android is made for multicores. The higher the clock speed goes up, the more energy used and wasted as heat. Thats why desktop CPU's have moved on to adding cores rather than increasing clock speeds. Battery technology also has MUCH room for improvement. As do core efficiency's. However our need for more speed and processing power is only going to continue to increase. I think Android 3.0 is going to really put the underutilized GPU to work to offload much of that GUI from the cpu(s). And GPU's are all about multithreading (basically) too.

What makes you think 3.0 is going to utilize the gpu for general purpose processing?
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The main advantage of an embedded multi core solution is for lower power not higher speed. The multi cores split tasks and all run slower to achieve things within the same timeframe.
Don't think about PC's as a comparison the silicon manufacturers aren't thinking this way.

[Q] Samsung Captivate or G2

I have the chance to get a new phone, and I have decided its going to be between the G2 and the Samsung Captivate. I'm on the AT&T network, and I'm probably not gonna have data, so the speeds of data and 2G/3G network speeds shouldn't be that much of a factor. I did research on them and both of them seem pretty good but I'm not sure which of the two I should actually get.
I do text a lot so the keyboard on the G2 would be a little helpful, but the Captivate has that nice Super AMOLED screen. I do however plan to be doing a lot with the phone, like rooting it, so please keep that in mind as well.
What would some of you suggest? Any help would be great. Thanks.

Captivate.

Don't know much about the g2 but I do currently own a captivate and its a great phone very easy too root and install roms. I would start from there research which one is easier too root and which ones have the best roms and what not.
Never was a big fan of a physical keyboard. so I can tell you that the typing on the captivate is pretty accurate. Also the screen is bigger! Lol but enough about my bias opinion just find out the hacking capabilities of both as well and go from there
But to make a long story short like the guy ahead of me.
Captivate FTW
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If you plan to stick with the stock ROM then get the G2. Otherwise, get the Captivate. With a custom ROM the Galaxy S phones blow all the others away.

Both are great phones, but I think all of the people recommending the Captivate are forgetting that the G2 is sort of 'future-proof' in that it has HSDPA+ built in for T-Mobile's kinda-sorta 4G network. It's really up to you if you think you'd need that.
Another question to ask yourself is do you need a physical keyboard or not. And finally, which phone do you prefer as of right now?

Well I'm not really sure about the physical keyboard, if the touch keyboard thats on the Captivate is good, then I guess I wouldn't really need the physical keyboard. I also remember hearing that it has Swype on it as well, so I dunno if Swype is actually faster than a physical keyboard or not. The 4G connectivity would be good, but I don't have T-Mobile so it doesn't really apply to me all that much

Do you require a keyboard or have a lot to gain from having one? If so, htc Vision is your best bet in the market right now.
Otherwise, save your money because single core processors will be phased out in a matter of months.

Pickx said:
Do you require a keyboard or have a lot to gain from having one? If so, htc Vision is your best bet in the market right now.
Otherwise, save your money because single core processors will be phased out in a matter of months.
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Its funny you say that they are coming out with dual core processors but still using the same battery as single core. So imagine how fast the battery will fade on you. On top of that the price of the phone will almost double. So I give em late 4th quarter 2011 before these phone will actually blow up.
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The G2 is the fastest (other than games... its close tho) with a little overclocking, and has a clearer, smaller but less bright screen. I wish I had that extra .3" sometimes. Physical keyboard is sweet, but I can type near as well with the on screen keyboard on the galaxy s'. They also have a better vibrate-on-keypress. Did I mention that this phone is fast? Stuff just does what you tell it.
Also, I know this is just the general forum but the dual core info... I wouldn't believe much of it

If you plan on using GPS at all, stay away from the Captivate.

well said I forgot all about gps
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shanghei said:
If you plan on using GPS at all, stay away from the Captivate.
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+1 also if u dont want to be wait for official roms get the Vision [i have a vibrant too so just saying]

Tchem said:
Its funny you say that they are coming out with dual core processors but still using the same battery as single core. So imagine how fast the battery will fade on you. On top of that the price of the phone will almost double. So I give em late 4th quarter 2011 before these phone will actually blow up.
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Double the cores doesn't always mean double the price or battery life.(Nor should people expect double the performance) Being a mobile platform, I'm sure one of the major points they worked with is battery life. Different from dual processor, which you power both cpus, both sockets, and everything on each cpu. Where as one chip, you just power one chip. Same thing goes with price. a quad core cpu is considerably less than 2 dual cores. I'm not saying that it will cost as much and use as much power as a single core, but it's not going to be as high as you think.

[Q] Able to upgrade my phone on T-Mobile soon - which one should I get?

Hi guys, I will be eligible for an upgrade on September 10th on T-Mobile, and I'm having a hard time trying to decide on which one I want to get.
The main two that I am looking at right now are the HTC Sensation 4G, and the Samsung Galaxy S2 (once it comes out for T-Mobile USA). The Samsung Galaxy S2 seems like the better choice, but I've heard that it won't come out until October 26th. Is this true? If its worth it I could wait that long, but I'd rather not. Also, I've heard that the screen on the T-Mobile version of the Galaxy S2 will be 4.5". That seems a little bit too big for me, since I have a MyTouch 3G right now. Is the size of the phone too big to be comfortable to use and carry around? Its hard to resist though because of the battery life, performance, and the awesome screen..
The HTC Sensation 4G sounds like a good phone too, but I've seen that on Quadrant the HTC Sensation 4G gets around 2000, and the Samsung Galaxy S2 gets around 3000. That's a pretty big difference.
Which phone do you guys think I should go for? Any phone would be better than the one I have right now. I've been waiting for a long time to finally upgrade.
P.S. Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, I didn't really know where to put this.

Qualcomm's S3, or 1st Gen dual core snapdragons are asynchronous, meaning most of the time only 1 core is active, for energy reasons. The phone is still fast, its just that the benchmarks don't push the CPU to activate both cores, making the score lower than normal. The SGSII on the other hand, has both cores on all the time, which is bad for battery, but processes get split b/t the 2 cores, making it really fast all the time too.
"Qualcomm’s implementation of asynchronous processing as key to the dual-core chips leading performance and lower power consumption as both cores do not need to be used for lower-powered tasks."
I know I say this all the time, well recently anyway, but you should get a native ICS device instead, they'll be worth it more. Normally I don't get things with the 1st series of its kind, I would wait till mobile dual cores get better, which they have since 1.5GHz+ duals, are coming later this year, Q4. And you might also want that 720P HD screen, and no buttons, and smaller bezel and all that stuff...

I would wait for the Galaxy S II. Simply because it's awesome.

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Qualcomm's S3, or 1st Gen dual core snapdragons are asynchronous, meaning most of the time only 1 core is active, for energy reasons. The phone is still fast, its just that the benchmarks don't push the CPU to activate both cores, making the score lower than normal. The SGSII on the other hand, has both cores on all the time, which is bad for battery, but processes get split b/t the 2 cores, making it really fast all the time too.
"Qualcomm’s implementation of asynchronous processing as key to the dual-core chips leading performance and lower power consumption as both cores do not need to be used for lower-powered tasks."
I know I say this all the time, well recently anyway, but you should get a native ICS device instead, they'll be worth it more. Normally I don't get things with the 1st series of its kind, I would wait till mobile dual cores get better, which they have since 1.5GHz+ duals, are coming later this year, Q4. And you might also want that 720P HD screen, and no buttons, and smaller bezel and all that stuff...
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That doesn't make much sense to me. I've seen from a couple people that the battery life on the HTC Sensation 4G isn't very good, but the battery life on the Samsung Galaxy S2 is pretty good.
And also, I haven't really kept up-to-date with all the new phones, and I have no idea when a phone with ICS will be out. I'd like to get a new phone as soon as possible, as I'm getting kind of tired of my MyTouch 3G. Its been a good phone, but it is just too outdated and slow now.

MattDrumz said:
That doesn't make much sense to me. I've seen from a couple people that the battery life on the HTC Sensation 4G isn't very good, but the battery life on the Samsung Galaxy S2 is pretty good.
And also, I haven't really kept up-to-date with all the new phones, and I have no idea when a phone with ICS will be out. I'd like to get a new phone as soon as possible, as I'm getting kind of tired of my MyTouch 3G. Its been a good phone, but it is just too outdated and slow now.
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The battery life is supposed to be better since it's asynchronous now, meaning both cores aren't used unless needed for the process or app. My point before was that the benchmark isn't making both cores activate, leading to only 1 being on-so the overall score would be lower than the Exynos in the SGSII.

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The battery life is supposed to be better since it's asynchronous now, meaning both cores aren't used unless needed for the process or app. My point before was that the benchmark isn't making both cores activate, leading to only 1 being on-so the overall score would be lower than the Exynos in the SGSII.
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Oh, I get what you're saying now. I'm still leaning towards waiting for the SGSII.

MattDrumz said:
Oh, I get what you're saying now. I'm still leaning towards waiting for the SGSII.
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Both phones are great, but the Hercules, which if turns out to be the SGSII will be worth the wait...But if the N Prime comes out around the SGSII release, get that instead.

I'd go for the dell venue pro personally

With Tmobie, the Galaxy SII will be like.. 4.5" screen ... That's big .. Too big for a cell phone...
I'm on the same case and I'll be buying an Htc Sensation tomorrow, since I can't wait
I'm on TMobile.
Thanks

I would suggest you wait for SGSII. It will be worth it.
Also, keep an eye on the release dates of Prime. If both of their release dates coincides by a fair margin (I doubt this), then go with the latter phone.

Get the g2x
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From what people are saying, I think I will go with the SGSII, unless the Nexus Prime comes out at the same time.
Does anybody know if the release date for the SGSII is still supposed to be October 26th? I was hoping it would be released in September like it was rumored it would. Also, do you think it will be about $200 with an upgrade when it comes out?
Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make the right decision.
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I very much enjoy the versatility of the htc sensation 4g with the Android Revolution HD 3.6.11 rom.

Infuse or Sg2 or HTC Titan

I have the motorola Atrix and enjoy the phone but before that I had the 5" dell streak. I have enjoyed my atrix as it has some nice custom ROMs. However it is upgrade time and the tech in me wants to upgrade / change. The infuse is free and has a 2.5 inch screen and a super camera which is important to me. However a single core processor? Really. But then it has great sdcard storage. Battery life is supposed to be great and I would use custom Rom if it made a difference
HTC Titan. Again single core 1.5 processor 512mb RAM. But supposedly mango doesn't need the processing power that android does. Plus it's 199.00. Ouch. However a big 4.7 inch screen and a 8 mp camera. 16gb non expandable RAM.
SG2. Sweet. But 4.3 inch screen. 199.00. Dual core 1.5 processor. Very nice phone.
I guess I'm looking for input. I like my atrix but want good camera and bigger screen but like to play games. However a solid battery would be nice. I want it all. Lol
Happy New Year.

there are two galaxy s 2 models for att. the attain model with a 4.3" screen and a dual core 1.2ghz. and the skyrocket with a 4.5" screen, dual core 1.5ghz, and lte. keep in mind the samsung phones have very pretty samoled screens. and all the phones you listed are wvga and the atrix had a qhd display (though higher resolution it did have a yucky pentile display).
ive been eyeing that lg nitro with its 720p display and lte. and though it wins out on specs i just dont like lg for some reason. so maybe ill wait for something like the lg but better.

Thanks. I knew about the skyrockets but they are 250.00. Paying that with a two year contract seems foolish too me anyway. After more reading and YouTube videos I think I am at the SGS2 or waiting a month and seeing what prices do. It's funny this summer I was pining away for the infuse but had no upgrade.

1 android only boots on one core
2 if your a big on your phone gamer than the dual core is handy
3 I have an sgs2...my infuse is faster and has a better ui ....if u stay on the web or game all the time then u can take advantage of the second core....
Until they develop apps that take advantage of the dual core I personally don't see the point at this time.
Like I said I have an sgs2 and my infuse is my daily driver due to is just a better all around phone
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1 android only boots on one core
2 if your a big on your phone gamer than the dual core is handy
3 I have an sgs2...my infuse is faster and has a better ui ....if u stay on the web or game all the time then u can take advantage of the second core....
Until they develop apps that take advantage of the dual core I personally don't see the point at this time.
Like I said I have an sgs2 and my infuse is my daily driver due to is just a better all around phone
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Wow, very interesting. I've read and read many forums and YouTube videos. I am assuming that is where ICS may come in, taking fuller advantage of the hardware.
Here's what I do with my phone.
I'm a teacher. Other than websites and taking pictures and posting them to fb then I watch videos and texting music then light gaming. I have the Asus transformer prime for my gaming and more intense things. But I'd say my biggest goals are
Battery life
Good camera and video
Bigger nice display
Storage
Facebook integration ( which most everything has)

I'm a long time Infuse owner (since june 2011) and I feel that the Infuse has everything you could really want in a phone right now. Granted development for it has had a slump in activity. But if your not into flashing roms all the time then all your good. The screen is just absolutely gorgeous and unmatchable as far as colors go. The blacks are actually pitch black! But aside from that its just great all around. For the things you pointed out, the sgs2 would seem like too much phone for the job. And you just can't beat the cost savings for what your getting with the infuse. I paid 170 for mine and it was all worth it. If you keep it stock you could also use it as an entertainment PC for your living room through HDMI too. Which is awesome.
Just to recap, the phone is fast enough to do everything you need. It also has a camera good enough to replace my point and shoot canon. And the screen size hits that sweet spot of not being too big while still having a really decent resolution and color reproduction. For me its a no-brainer. But if ics is looking interesting to you I would walk into a Verizon store and ask to play with a new nexus. And see if the difference is worth the price. If it is. Then I would keep what you got and just wait for the Galaxy Note to come stateside. 5" 720p samoled screen is all I have to say.
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1 android only boots on one core
2 if your a big on your phone gamer than the dual core is handy
3 I have an sgs2...my infuse is faster and has a better ui ....if u stay on the web or game all the time then u can take advantage of the second core....
Until they develop apps that take advantage of the dual core I personally don't see the point at this time.
Like I said I have an sgs2 and my infuse is my daily driver due to is just a better all around phone
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Agree totally. And the infuse is 4.5" screen and single core is enough on this phone.
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Wow, very interesting. I've read and read many forums and YouTube videos. I am assuming that is where ICS may come in, taking fuller advantage of the hardware.
Here's what I do with my phone.
I'm a teacher. Other than websites and taking pictures and posting them to fb then I watch videos and texting music then light gaming. I have the Asus transformer prime for my gaming and more intense things. But I'd say my biggest goals are
Battery life
Good camera and video
Bigger nice display
Storage
Facebook integration ( which most everything has)
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I think you Need an infuse then. Dman has some good roms for it. Just switched to catyrom and the phone runs great and for free what more can you want until the note comes state side like I'm waiting for. Being a previous streak owner.
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Ahhhh the Galaxy Note. Pure ecstasy. That's in the end the phone I'm willing to pay some money for.
Thanks everyone for being cool. I've been reading in the dev section too. I'll keep you posted but I like people sticking up for their phones so I'm going to keep researching the Infuse!

the gs2 has a exynos processor it may only be 1.2ghz but it absolutely rocks. the skyrocket has a qualcomm chip. not too shabby. the attic has a tegra chip. meh. actually the infuse can play better videos than the atrix and thought the benchmarks may look close in 3d I think the renderings are better on the hummingbird which may be why Motorola switched to the omap4 with the power vr540 gpu from imagination technologies which is the same gpu the hummingbird runs. but I think the exynos and dualcore snapdragon are both better.
I'm pretty interested in meego powered phones myself but haven't had a chance to use one. maybe some day...
if it were me I'd either get the free phone or a gs2 the skyrocket if you get lte service, I don't know enough about the HTC to comment on it. the infuse is at a disadvantage though because it is always late on updates and will probably never see ics officially.

Both sgs2 models are more expensive online. The skyrocket in store is 149.99 with contract. I believe the other one is 99.99 with. Though the Infuse is just as good and if you don't live in an LTE area, like most of us then its not worth it. Except of course that the sgs2 (both models) is getting ICS officially. The infuse has the advantage of a metal case and i've dropped mine many times where i thought surely it broke yet its fine. I personally don't like HTC for some reason, not really sure why.
Though honestly I would wait a little. The sgs3 is gonna be released relatively soon, along with some other very nice phones. The galaxy note is gonna be released here soon too. So since you already have a decent phone and are so close to a new line of phones, i'd wait the 2 or 3 months.

etbob623 said:
Both sgs2 models are more expensive online. The skyrocket in store is 149.99 with contract. I believe the other one is 99.99 with. Though the Infuse is just as good and if you don't live in an LTE area, like most of us then its not worth it. Except of course that the sgs2 (both models) is getting ICS officially. The infuse has the advantage of a metal case and i've dropped mine many times where i thought surely it broke yet its fine. I personally don't like HTC for some reason, not really sure why.
Though honestly I would wait a little. The sgs3 is gonna be released relatively soon, along with some other very nice phones. The galaxy note is gonna be released here soon too. So since you already have a decent phone and are so close to a new line of phones, i'd wait the 2 or 3 months.
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The Infuse isn't metal - it's metallic-finish plastic. Same for the SGS2.
However, people falsely always assume that plastic = cheap - it's not, if properly done, and Samsung has chosen their plastic types VERY well in the Infuse and GS2. As an example of plastics that do better than metal:
Airbus A380
Boeing 787
F-22 Raptor
(Admittedly, most of the above are fiber reinforced composites - but still, it's a variant of plastic)
Anything made using Delrin
Don't get the Skyrocket - it has everything wrong with it that drives developers away from the Infuse and more. People falsely assume that developers go for specs, but we don't - we go for phones that don't fight us. That's why the Captivate still has a robust development community and the Infuse's never really took off, with only a small handful of developers, many of whom got frustrated and said "**** it" and left. That's why the I777 will always have a more robust developer community than the Skyrocket - We only need half the developers to achieve twice the work because the I777 community can leverage the I9100 community, while the Skyrocket community has nothing to leverage. (Well, the T989 community, but that's not exactly very useful.)

I'd get the Skyrocket ($149.99) if it plays my TV shows in MKV format without having to re-encode. Otherwise I'd get the SGS2 ($199.99).
From the benchmarks I've seen it appears the SGS2 is a tad bit faster but if you're going to be tied to a two year contract and AT&T is SLOWLY rolling out LTE it seems like a no brainer to get the LTE capable phone.
Forgot to mention the Skyrocket has a larger screen and battery.

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The Infuse isn't metal - it's metallic-finish plastic. Same for the SGS2.
However, people falsely always assume that plastic = cheap - it's not, if properly done, and Samsung has chosen their plastic types VERY well in the Infuse and GS2. As an example of plastics that do better than metal:
Airbus A380
Boeing 787
F-22 Raptor
(Admittedly, most of the above are fiber reinforced composites - but still, it's a variant of plastic)
Anything made using Delrin
Don't get the Skyrocket - it has everything wrong with it that drives developers away from the Infuse and more. People falsely assume that developers go for specs, but we don't - we go for phones that don't fight us. That's why the Captivate still has a robust development community and the Infuse's never really took off, with only a small handful of developers, many of whom got frustrated and said "**** it" and left. That's why the I777 will always have a more robust developer community than the Skyrocket - We only need half the developers to achieve twice the work because the I777 community can leverage the I9100 community, while the Skyrocket community has nothing to leverage. (Well, the T989 community, but that's not exactly very useful.)
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actually all the modern Samsung phones may have a plastic outer shell but the screen is bonded to a metal frame that the main board is mounted to. on the infuse it looks quite robust. it may be confused with plastic having a very dull grey look and a black coating where the battery sits but I've scratched it doing a screen replacement and I assure you there is a good chunk of metal in the infuses construction. it is very light weight though which is why it never occurred to people that there is metal in there. maybe it's a porous aluminum casting, maybe its magnesium which is about half the weight of aluminum. I didn't think to spark test it before I put it together. but I agree Samsung plastics for the outer shell are also top notch. not scratch or dent resistant but very fracture resistant. even the slip cover on the i9000, vibrant and fascinate though it has a cheap appearance is extremely scratch resistant and resilient. Samsung=cheap looks but rugged construction.

I'd avoid the HTC Titan (price, battery life) and Skyrocket (price, CPU, screen tuning issues). Unless you are invested in having a top-notch DAC for listening to music on your phone and have browsed the Infuse forums enough to know what to expect in terms of issues and ROM's, I'd recommend sticking with the regular SGS2.

Thanks again all. I'm going to try and hold out for the Note or the SGS2 if the price drops. But it does seem that Samsung is on to something on the phone front, plus tablets.

sdelliott31 said:
I have the motorola Atrix and enjoy the phone but before that I had the 5" dell streak. I have enjoyed my atrix as it has some nice custom ROMs. However it is upgrade time and the tech in me wants to upgrade / change. The infuse is free and has a 2.5 inch screen and a super camera which is important to me. However a single core processor? Really. But then it has great sdcard storage. Battery life is supposed to be great and I would use custom Rom if it made a difference
HTC Titan. Again single core 1.5 processor 512mb RAM. But supposedly mango doesn't need the processing power that android does. Plus it's 199.00. Ouch. However a big 4.7 inch screen and a 8 mp camera. 16gb non expandable RAM.
SG2. Sweet. But 4.3 inch screen. 199.00. Dual core 1.5 processor. Very nice phone.
I guess I'm looking for input. I like my atrix but want good camera and bigger screen but like to play games. However a solid battery would be nice. I want it all. Lol
Happy New Year.
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Infuse has a 4.5 inch screen. Not 2.5
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GGXtreme said:
I'd avoid the HTC Titan (price, battery life) and Skyrocket (price, CPU, screen tuning issues). Unless you are invested in having a top-notch DAC for listening to music on your phone and have browsed the Infuse forums enough to know what to expect in terms of issues and ROM's, I'd recommend sticking with the regular SGS2.
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Battery life on the Titan is good actually.

sgs2
The sgs 2 skyrocet becase it has a dual core prosser
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Dani897 said:
the gs2 has a exynos processor it may only be 1.2ghz but it absolutely rocks. the skyrocket has a qualcomm chip. not too shabby. the attic has a tegra chip. meh. actually the infuse can play better videos than the atrix and thought the benchmarks may look close in 3d I think the renderings are better on the hummingbird which may be why Motorola switched to the omap4 with the power vr540 gpu from imagination technologies which is the same gpu the hummingbird runs. but I think the exynos and dualcore snapdragon are both better.
I'm pretty interested in meego powered phones myself but haven't had a chance to use one. maybe some day...
if it were me I'd either get the free phone or a gs2 the skyrocket if you get lte service, I don't know enough about the HTC to comment on it. the infuse is at a disadvantage though because it is always late on updates and will probably never see ics officially.
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i am with you on that

sdelliott31 said:
Thanks again all. I'm going to try and hold out for the Note or the SGS2 if the price drops. But it does seem that Samsung is on to something on the phone front, plus tablets.
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Exactly what Im doing!! I wont have an upgrade for a while but I will be getting a nice refund from fafsa next feb/march, so Im hoping the note will be here by then.
If you want to get a feel for how it is in the hand and screen and so forth--Head to Best Buy and they usually have a working new Samsung music player on display. I believe it shares all the same specs as the Note except it has no stylus, and no phone features. Same screen size and general form factor though. You could see how it feels in hand, up to your ear etc.

Spread the good word of our oneS

I believe that we have a truly amazing device in our hands. If you love your oneS then the least you could do is to write a good review about somewhere like on amazon or something especially since now we have some saboteurs trying to ruin our devices name and drop its rating to zero. But in actuality if our device gets horrible reviews no new developers will come here to work with our phones. I don't believe that is fair and so I am starting my own campaign called goodreview-Aday where I will give positive feedback on our device and rate it high on several major websites that sell our phone such as amazon eBay etc. Everybody can join me to keep development alive for our phone! If everybody not experiencing the alleged issue wrote one good review on one site their evil little "campaign" will have no chance!
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Roundtableprez said:
I believe that we have a truly amazing device in our hands. If you love your oneS then the least you could do is to write a good review about somewhere like on amazon or something especially since now we have some saboteurs trying to ruin our devices name and drop its rating to zero. But in actuality if our device gets horrible reviews no new developers will come here to work with our phones. I don't believe that is fair and so I am starting my own campaign called goodreview-Aday where I will give positive feedback on our device and rate it high on several major websites that sell our phone such as amazon eBay etc. Everybody can join me to keep development alive for our phone! If everybody not experiencing the alleged issue wrote one good review on one site their evil little "campaign" will have no chance!
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What's so amazing about this phone?

louis.b said:
What's so amazing about this phone?
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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
Amazing build/perceived quality compared to any other android mobile
Great design/looks
Amazing audio, which is only matched by the GS 3 and perhaps the iphone 5
One of the best cameras
Great battery life out of the box, again best there is for android phones
Fastest android mobile currently
IMO sense V4
Regarding the first post, developers won't go by "user reviews" on shop sites, they will look into all the hardware detail and kernel source/drivers/software stuff etc. and if they like what they see then they will buy it.

Terminator19 said:
Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
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Not any more, HTC have reworked the One S to use the Snapdragon S3, and for most regions outside the US at least all newly manufactured units will be the revised spec.
Terminator19 said:
Amazing build/perceived quality compared to any other android mobile
Great design/looks
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Agreed, and now that they seem to have done something about the metal arc oxidation issues its build quality is great.
Terminator19 said:
Amazing audio, which is only matched by the GS 3 and perhaps the iphone 5
One of the best cameras
Great battery life out of the box, again best there is for android phones
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Yes, yes and yes, the Beats gimmick aside the regular audio output is of very good quality as GSMArena's measurements show. Camera is a delight to use, although the S3 version has a small buffer lag between shots. Battery life, surprisingly, seems to be very similar between the S3 and S4 models.
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Fastest android mobile currently
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The S4 version yes, the S3 version no.
IMO sense V4
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Yes, Sense 4 is really good, better than TouchWiz although I suspect most people on XDA prefer stock Android if it means faster updates
Personally, I think the One S was a really good phone when it launched, but the change to the S3 processor has changed my view of the model significantly; it is still a good phone for what it is but the price is too high for a phone using a 2010 chip.

louis.b said:
What's so amazing about this phone?
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Please don't be a ****. From your signature it looks like you don't even have this device. You are probably one of the trolls who wrote bad reviews.

I agree this device is amazing-but Htc needs to step up their game and provide S-Off and in general be more developer friendly -Htc Dev has done more harm then good it seems to me and recovery is a mess some use twrp others prefer cmw - If Htc would show better support It would be one the best phones to date Just my 2c

kenyw said:
Not any more, HTC have reworked the One S to use the Snapdragon S3, and for most regions outside the US at least all newly manufactured units will be the revised spec.
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And the UK still has quite a lot of S4's. Although S3's are being sold here as well, but not sure which places are selling only those versions. I think amazon are only supplying the S3 versions now. AFAIK the network shops still have supplies of the S4 version.
kenyw said:
but the price is too high for a phone using a 2010 chip.
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Completely agree about that with regards to the S3 version.
Regarding the battery and speed, I thought it was the other way round (in real world usage), battery much worse and performance isn't as good but for standard usage like games etc. there isn't a huge difference.
Doesn't help when no one has posted any info. on the battery of the S3 though i.e. screen shots and detailed info..........

jmcdonald58 said:
I agree this device is amazing-but Htc needs to step up their game and provide S-Off and in general be more developer friendly -Htc Dev has done more harm then good it seems to me and recovery is a mess some use twrp others prefer cmw - If Htc would show better support It would be one the best phones to date Just my 2c
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^Absolutely agree with this. Recovery really is a mess.
The rest of the device is overall good, but there are some cons to go with the pros.
+ Nice display, accurate colors. PenTile didn't bother me a bit. Great viewing angles and black is truly black, unlike on the Samsung devices where black appears blotchy. 4.3 for me seems the sweet spot for screen size and overall phone size.
+ Slimness of device is nearly unparalleled.
+ Speed (based on S4) is best-in-class
+ Battery life (on Sense ROMs) is excellent
+ Camera and Video capabilities are excellent
- Overall call quality on the latest two radios is awful. Crackling and full of static. This is subjective, and I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't known for amazing AT&T voice quality. This leads me to
- Inconsistent data speeds. Again subjective, but my Lumia 800 seems to pull down faster and more consistent speeds on the ATT HSPA network.
- SIM Cover starts to creak if you remove it more than the first time you install your SIM.
- Placement of the power button at top right for this tall a device is not ergonomic. AOSP/CM10-based ROMs enable wake via volume rocker, which is useful, but inconsistent.
- Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.

matt310 said:
^Absolutely agree with this. Recovery really is a mess.
The rest of the device is overall good, but there are some cons to go with the pros.
+ Nice display, accurate colors. PenTile didn't bother me a bit. Great viewing angles and black is truly black, unlike on the Samsung devices where black appears blotchy. 4.3 for me seems the sweet spot for screen size and overall phone size.
+ Slimness of device is nearly unparalleled.
+ Speed (based on S4) is best-in-class
+ Battery life (on Sense ROMs) is excellent
+ Camera and Video capabilities are excellent
- Overall call quality on the latest two radios is awful. Crackling and full of static. This is subjective, and I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't known for amazing AT&T voice quality. This leads me to
- Inconsistent data speeds. Again subjective, but my Lumia 800 seems to pull down faster and more consistent speeds on the ATT HSPA network.
- SIM Cover starts to creak if you remove it more than the first time you install your SIM.
- Placement of the power button at top right for this tall a device is not ergonomic. AOSP/CM10-based ROMs enable wake via volume rocker, which is useful, but inconsistent.
- Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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Recoveries come from our local friendly developers if your recovery is a mess contact them it is no way htcs fault. I love this phone despite no s-off. And that's okay for me lol we will steal it from the Onex one day lol.
For the new radios and your crackling problem, most unlocked android devices have this issue when you unlock them I have a sidekick 4g on att right now and this on tmob and there is a compareable difference
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I absolutely love this device. I had the choice between the one s and the s3 and chose this one and am really pleased. It fits my hands perfectly and outperforms most devices. The battery life is unparalleled. I average 4 to 6 hours on screen time while some friends with s3's only get 2 hours with power saving on. The lack of s off is little annoying but not that big of a deal for me since my hboot is so low. As for the people spreading negative reviews in hopes to "teach HTC a lessons" this is a horrible approach. Operation rolling thunder should be stopped!!
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Terminator19 said:
And the UK still has quite a lot of S4's. Although S3's are being sold here as well, but not sure which places are selling only those versions. I think amazon are only supplying the S3 versions now. AFAIK the network shops still have supplies of the S4 version.
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Just wanted to mention that on Tuesday 11/09/2012 i received my nice new htc one s from talktalk.co.uk ( run on vodafone network) and it is a Z560e model (Ville C aka S3) version, personally i am not to bothered but figured worth mention for anyone who maybe intrested in UK

Terminator19 said:
Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
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? better ? u idiot.
Just because it's A15Krait u got 2 cores....that GUN Exynos 4412 have it A9 but 4 cores son.
Which is rapes your HTC one S.. I didn't talk about ****ty Adrenno 225....which is garbage.
So don't talk about better or not.

My One S
My S one is about 5 months old. After years as a Nokia fan-boy I finally gave in and reluctantly jumped ship. So I was presented with a problem: Which phone do I get. I won't be taking up a place in a queue for the new iPhone 5 with the iSheep - as a Ubuntu user getting an android was a no-brainer. I chose the One S because 1/ it wasn't Samsung (my personal prejudice) 2/ the One X was slightly too big for my taste.
I know Nokia missed a very big boat by sticking with Symbian for so long, but on a personal level I was happy because I know them inside out I can mod them easily and enjoyed playing about with them despite the limitations. In fact the limitations made it more of a challenge and more interesting.Eventually the lack of progress Symbian was making, combined with the fact that Nokia jumped in to bed with Micros*#t forced my hand. So to be honest, I waited for T-Mobile to deliver my One S with very little enthusiasm. That's changed. I love my One S.
So as it's my first Android I can't say its any better or worse than a Galaxy III, a WildFire or a Nexus. I do know that I am very happy with it. On the hardware side I am happy about the lovely big screen, the slim casing and the nice finish. I am very happy with the processor speed and flawless screen refresh. Battery life could be better, but I will never be happy with battery life. Software wise, I am happy that there are people out there making ROMs which while flawed are keeping me very busy and making me feel like I have a new phone every week or so. I am happy that I have a JB based ROM while HTC has yet to release the "official" JB for the One S.
Which is all a long winded way of saying I love it.

avetny said:
? better ? u idiot.
Just because it's A15Krait u got 2 cores....that GUN Exynos 4412 have it A9 but 4 cores son.
Which is rapes your HTC one S.. I didn't talk about ****ty Adrenno 225....which is garbage.
So don't talk about better or not.
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Nice grammar, who is the idiot?
Obviously, you have no clue, "OMG has quad, must be better!"
Firstly lets have a look at performance, shall we?
Have a look at these benchmarks of the X (s4 version) compared to the GS 3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Notice how any test, which relies solely on the CPU is better on the S/X (S4)? Take it that isn't enough? Here have another benchmark comparison by another expert site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/3
Once again, notice the CPU dependant tests?
Heck even the one S and XL holds it own very well in the other tests that are reliant on the GPU etc.
So much better performance per core (which is much better rather than having an extra 2 cores considering nearly every android app still doesn't fully utilise dual core let alone quad, therefore the much better performance for one core is better!).
However, that is just benchmarks, which only shows the potential power and doesn't really relate to real world usage. Have you actually used the mobiles yourself and compared tasks to see which is quicker?
I have (along with many others phones) and the S is the quickest/snappiest android device there is, quicker than the GS 3 especially in launching/loading apps, game levels, installing apps/games, loading thumbnails in the gallery etc.
Now onto battery life/power efficiency:
Lets take the XL for this test as it is more fair since it has the 720P res. and bigger screen, although it does have a much smaller battery compared to the GS 3, but have a look here anyway:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/2
Although I always take benchmarks for battery life with a pinch of salt as they aren't exactly a great representative when it comes to real world usage.
But reading through many posts, XL users are able to get up 6 hours on screen time (auto brightness) spread across 1-2 days, where as the best that GS 3 users seem to get is around 5 hours spread across 1-2 days, on average the XL users are getting 4-5 hours on screen time with 1-3 days usage and on average the GS 3 users are getting 3-4 hours on screen time spread across 1-2 days.
Can you read the graphs ok?
Also nothing wrong with the battery life on my stock S and same goes for many other people. Like to see GS 3 users get the same as me with my usage......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27665378#post27665378
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27010378#post27010378
Now onto the heat that the chips generate, well there simply is no contest in this area, here is a video comparing the S4 to the exynos dual core chip used in the GS 2 and some other CPU, which is used in one of Motorola's phones:
And the exynos quad won't run any cooler than the S4.
Oh and yup the adreno 225 combined with the S4 is real xxxxx, oh wait..........
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6121/glbenchmark-25-performance/2
matt310 said:
Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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I personally find the typing is very good even with the sense keyboard.
With swiftkey it is even better!

Terminator19 said:
Nice grammar, who is the idiot?
Obviously, you have no clue, "OMG has quad, must be better!"
Firstly lets have a look at performance, shall we?
Have a look at these benchmarks of the X (s4 version) compared to the GS 3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Notice how any test, which relies solely on the CPU is better on the S/X (S4)? Take it that isn't enough? Here have another benchmark comparison by another expert site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/3
Once again, notice the CPU dependant tests?
Heck even the one S and XL holds it own very well in the other tests that are reliant on the GPU etc.
So much better performance per core (which is much better rather than having an extra 2 cores considering nearly every android app still doesn't fully utilise dual core let alone quad, therefore the much better performance for one core is better!).
However, that is just benchmarks, which only shows the potential power and doesn't really relate to real world usage. Have you actually used the mobiles yourself and compared tasks to see which is quicker?
I have (along with many others phones) and the S is the quickest/snappiest android device there is, quicker than the GS 3 especially in launching/loading apps, game levels, installing apps/games, loading thumbnails in the gallery etc.
Now onto battery life/power efficiency:
Lets take the XL for this test as it is more fair since it has the 720P res. and bigger screen, although it does have a much smaller battery compared to the GS 3, but have a look here anyway:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/2
Although I always take benchmarks for battery life with a pinch of salt as they aren't exactly a great representative when it comes to real world usage.
But reading through many posts, XL users are able to get up 6 hours on screen time (auto brightness) spread across 1-2 days, where as the best that GS 3 users seem to get is around 5 hours spread across 1-2 days, on average the XL users are getting 4-5 hours on screen time with 1-3 days usage and on average the GS 3 users are getting 3-4 hours on screen time spread across 1-2 days.
Can you read the graphs ok?
Also nothing wrong with the battery life on my stock S and same goes for many other people. Like to see GS 3 users get the same as me with my usage......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27665378#post27665378
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27010378#post27010378
Now onto the heat that the chips generate, well there simply is no contest in this area, here is a video comparing the S4 to the exynos dual core chip used in the GS 2 and some other CPU, which is used in one of Motorola's phones:
And the exynos quad won't run any cooler than the S4.
Oh and yup the adreno 225 combined with the S4 is real xxxxx, oh wait..........
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6121/glbenchmark-25-performance/2
I personally find the typing is very good even with the sense keyboard.
With swiftkey it is even better!
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Wow! Terminator 1 - troll 0 :good:

Closed Source Project said:
Please don't be a ****. From your signature it looks like you don't even have this device. You are probably one of the trolls who wrote bad reviews.
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Just because I dont own it doesnt mean I havent used it. I work for a phone shop and my co-worker has this phone. I think it's "interesting" to see HTC uses the S3 in the version sold in all regions in Asian Pacific, and yet charges the same price as the S4 version. Not sure how amazing Sense 4.1 will be once it comes but from what I've seen out of the box it's laggy. But I guess it's gonna really a big injustice since no-one asks for it anyway. Everyone buys either Samsung or Apple or (rarely) One X.
I think I should shut my mouth because when people say the truth on here they are often mistaken for being trolls and get banned. Scary.

laggy? sense 4.0 on my one s is less laggy than my friends SGS3 and even iphone4.
you sir, are biased and doesnt know what you are talking about.
and about the phones people buy, that has to do nothing with the wellness of the phones, its absolutely marketing, which HTC lacks alot.

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laggy? sense 4.0 on my one s is less laggy than my friends SGS3 and even iphone4.
you sir, are biased and doesnt know what you are talking about.
and about the phones people buy, that has to do nothing with the wellness of the phones, its absolutely marketing, which HTC lacks alot.
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Biased? lol yeah right I dont even own those phones. And to say that sense 4.0 is smoother than Touchcrap 4.0 and iOS5 is just outright lying. Yes it's smoother than sense 3.0 but it's still laggy and I have been following the One X long enough to know that A LOT OF people complain about how laggy sense 4.0 was.
And FYI people dont ask about HTC not because HTC doesnt advertise enough. As a matter of fact a lot people know about them. They just dont buy them because HTC has the reputation of making buggy phones. And as a former owner of 2 HTC phones I cant say I disagree.

louis.b said:
Just because I dont own it doesnt mean I havent used it. I work for a phone shop and my co-worker has this phone. I think it's "interesting" to see HTC uses the S3 in the version sold in all regions in Asian Pacific, and yet charges the same price as the S4 version. Not sure how amazing Sense 4.1 will be once it comes but from what I've seen out of the box it's laggy. But I guess it's gonna really a big injustice since no-one asks for it anyway. Everyone buys either Samsung or Apple or (rarely) One X.
I think I should shut my mouth because when people say the truth on here they are often mistaken for being trolls and get banned. Scary.
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You got an S3, didn't you? I'm sorry about that and have been quite out-spoken about HTC's idiotic behavior regarding other countries, but the S4 One S is a great piece of machinery.

I have never had on hands experience with the S3 version so can't comment on it, however, when I have had my S4 one S side by side with the GS 3 (quad) and the 4s, the one S has been quicker/snappier/instant smartphone and the GS 3 appears smoother overall, although this is largely down to the animations and the animation scaling used, when JB arrives on both phones there should be no difference at all then really, in terms of smoothness.
I have found the 4s/4 to be laggy in quite a few places personally and not as silky smooth as what many people make it out to be.
Also, the one X hardware (tegra 3) was very poorly optimized with sense/ICS, when the mobile was first released, it was so laggy and nowhere as instant as the one S (S4), since the last update it has improved somewhat, however, still not as good as the S (S4) and GS 3, with JB it should be much better as the nexus 7 has the exact same hardware and it is smoother and faster than both the GS 3 and S, of course assuming HTC don't **** up with driver optimisation on sense Vxx whatever it will be with JB.
Regarding why people don't get HTC handsets, yes for some reason people seem to think they're an awful company with poor phones, I would have agreed with some of their phones (largely the desire HD, IMO their worst phone), however, most of their phones (especially the one series) are actually very good and out of the people I know who have a HTC android device have been very happy with theirs and not had any problems (a lot of people absolutely love sense, the homescreen and widgets impresses the "average joes" a lot). And it does largely come down to marketing/brand in the end, as in the UK here, the majority of ads that I see on TV, posters on bus stops etc. is for the GS 3, iphone, GS 2, galaxy ACE & Ace 2 (the Ace mobiles are bundled with very good network deals though, the ads aren't actually for the phones themselves) along with a few for the one X and virtually no ads at all for the one S (still have not seen a single ad on TV for the one S), people automatically recognise the GS 3 and iphones where as with the likes of HTC phones people aren't sure about them and automatically think they aren't good since they never heard of them.
It is a shame because HTC did start the "empire" of android with the hero, desire and nexus one, dread to think where android would be now if it weren't for them.