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Google lost fight for patents of Nortel

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07...eat-google-for-nortel-patents/?ref=technology
Big problems for Android coming?
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It's funny how far off their bid was...

Why would that make a difference? They didn't have the patents before the sale so nothing really changed.

Just so you guys know, this stuff happens all the time. Google was putting in weird bids and one of them was even for the number for pi. 3.14...billion. Theory has it that Google didn't really want the patents but wanted the price driven up some. They've done it before. If i can find the link to the article i'll post it for you but in essence this is no big deal.

I take all of this with a grain of salt. Google is an extremely smart and innovative company. They knew they didn't need to receive those patents, or they could have outbid. I agree, it was more of a process to draw the bid higher, that's all.
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Actually, now that i've read other sources Google does say they were disappointed. Geez they were outbid by a conglomerate of Apple, RIM, Sony, and Microsoft. Yeah, that's fair. Still doesn't seem like a crushing blow according to most articles. Just an inconvenience.

$4.5b for the Nortel patents is overpriced when Google can just buy RIM for $15b.

Means that Android Manufacturers play more royalties per device than people who are part of the consortium or who already have a license. It will affect the race to the bottom, where cheaper Android devices will have a higher Build of Materials costs due to higher licensing costs vs other OS's who have this pegged in.
For OS Vendors, it's a strategic armoury for patent disputes. For Manufacturers its all about the build cost.

bleach168 said:
$4.5b for the Nortel patents is overpriced when Google can just buy RIM for $15b.
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I'd like to see Google buy Apple and MS as well as RIM and Sony. That would be a hoot. Google is the only company of them all that has a humanity-driven business model. If Google were ever to fold, I guarantee the world would turn dark.
I have hope Google has tricks up its sleeves to get past this business with Apple. The Nortel stuff I think is inconsequencial. But I hope Google can come out on the top side of this. Google certainly has skillful and genius programmers and devs so I see them coming up with alternatives to any roadblocks brought on by infringed patents or loss of patents.

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Lets wait and watch.

Google wanted Nortel's patents because their own patent portfolio is quite small. When you get sued by companies like Apple and Microsoft, it is VERY GOOD to have a strong patent portfolio. It gives you a position of strength in the license negotiations.
Losing the Nortel's patents may mean that Google has to take patent licenses from folks like Apple and Microsoft.

It's on now! - Google is pissed

Looks like Google is ready to take it to 'em. And this is correctly targeting *all* parties involved. Not just Apple. And I'm glad to see Google stand up and wallop. I hope Google balances out the situation because Google is the only real and true, "worthy" company among them all. Google stands for humanity. The others stand for profits at all costs. With Google here, the others are usable and enjoyable. Without Google here, the others are the ruination of the industry.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/03/google-slams-apple-and-microsoft-claims-hostile-organized-cam/

MartyLK said:
Google stands for humanity. The others stand for profits at all costs.
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Oh come on now, let's not get carried away. Google is a business as well. They care about making money. And they do it by collecting as much info about you as possible and then selling it to advertisers.
Now, I am against this patent BS and fully support Google in their effort to fight it. But lets not make Google into more than they are.

Praise Jesus they're getting involved!!

lol google is more powerful, and will eventually just be as evil as any of those other companies.
Google is becoming too much of a monoply. They're just very good at concealing their true intentions.

I don't like patents?
Yes, completely forget about the phrase "Don't Be Evil." True, they are not as evil as Apple, but they still have some shady stuff.

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Google didn't come off looking too good after the whole Nortel thing by immediately going to the DOJ and blogging about how broken the patent system is(which it is). Android seems to be everyone's target these days

Ouch.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/03/microsoft-just-kicked-google-in-the-nuts/

canadariot2312 said:
Ouch.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/03/microsoft-just-kicked-google-in-the-nuts/
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Was just about to post the same, so Microsoft asked google if they wanted to bid with them and google said no and yet they blog that crap...

How exactly would Google bidding with MS help them? They need patents to defend themselves from MS, to establish a MAD situation. They can't do that with patents that are jointly owed by MS too.
And this all shows the BS-ness of patents. Where's the stuff about patents encouraging innovation and stuff? Nowhere. All I see is patents being bought as bargaining chips.
I mean, buying some patents and using them to sue is totally about someone copying what you invented, riiiiiiight. Because buying = inventing, sure.
I can only repeat: It's all BS.

Gusar321 said:
How exactly would Google bidding with MS help them? They need patents to defend themselves from MS, to establish a MAD situation. They can't do that with patents that are jointly owed by MS too.
And this all shows the BS-ness of patents. Where's the stuff about patents encouraging innovation and stuff? Nowhere. All I see is patents being bought as bargaining chips.
I mean, buying some patents and using them to sue is totally about someone copying what you invented, riiiiiiight. Because buying = inventing, sure.
I can only repeat: It's all BS.
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Well it works like this, you buy a patent with one of your competitors and then it can't be used against you by them.
It also saves you money as the cost is shared and there is one less bidder at the auction to ramp the price up trying to out bid you.
Sure, you then can't use it to make a deal with MS to infringe some of their patents for free, but if you don't win the bid, you can't do that anyway, and they can use it against you.

Tone_ said:
Was just about to post the same, so Microsoft asked google if they wanted to bid with them and google said no and yet they blog that crap...
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FAIL GOOGLE =)
that is all

Monopolies are never a good thing. Whenever one company becomes too powerful and controls everything that goes on in your life it becomes a little frightening.

Gusar321 said:
How exactly would Google bidding with MS help them? They need patents to defend themselves from MS, to establish a MAD situation. They can't do that with patents that are jointly owed by MS too.
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Or they could suck up their pride, have patents along with Apple, Oracle, Microsoft, etc., have this cross-licensing patent deal and have less lawsuits. On the other hand, they can buy all the patents and use them for "defensive purposes."
I don't like the patent system either and I am pretty sure that Google won't fix it.

Booms! Plurals! Gets used to its!

xaccers said:
Well it works like this, you buy a patent with one of your competitors and then it can't be used against you by them.
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Yeah, but there's tons of patents that aren't part of this particular portfolio. So all there would be is Google spending a lot of money while not being any safer from litigation.
canadariot2312 said:
Or they could suck up their pride
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What does this have to do with pride? It's all about needing to amass a large portfolio of patents just so that when you're sued (and you *will* be sued, because it has become impossible to create *anything* without infringing), you have something to defend yourself.

Gusar321 said:
Oh come on now, let's not get carried away. Google is a business as well. They care about making money. And they do it by collecting as much info about you as possible and then selling it to advertisers.
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their street view cars can read e-mail too, ya know, they have wifi-detection software in the antennas of those cars.
[/tin foil hat]
every company sells info, hate to break it to ya. and the conspiracy nuts fail to reealize those antennas are there so they can detect a wifi hotspot like a coffee shop or private network, and put into the maps software.
imagine if you are a traveling buisiness man with a laptop, and don't have a wireless tether on your phone, also if you are in a dead zone (serious, all verizon customers, go to mound city, mo, just TRY to use your data there, you will be lucky if you get 1x, must have somthing to do with the bluff)

Google's biggest problem right now is Apple, especially with the recently ruling Apple got against HTC <I would post link if I could but I'm not allowed yet>. So it would have been beneficial for them to jointly own them with Microsoft, for a couple reasons. First being Apple isn't going to go after Microsoft, their patent portfolio is too big. But more importantly it gives Google more defense against Apple which is really what they need right now. I believe I read somewhere that Google only has about 1000 patents related to the wireless and I'm sure Apple has ton more.
I do agree the whole patent system is rediculous for software but unfortunately it is what it is for now.

termleech said:
Google's biggest problem right now is Apple, especially with the recently ruling Apple got against HTC <I would post link if I could but I'm not allowed yet>. So it would have been beneficial for them to jointly own them with Microsoft, for a couple reasons. First being Apple isn't going to go after Microsoft, their patent portfolio is too big. But more importantly it gives Google more defense against Apple which is really what they need right now. I believe I read somewhere that Google only has about 1000 patents related to the wireless and I'm sure Apple has ton more.
I do agree the whole patent system is rediculous for software but unfortunately it is what it is for now.
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well, technicly google got into the mobile market back in 2003 when they purchased then start-up company Android Inc.
and people forget that the iPhone wasn't the first capacitive touch screen phone
anyone remember the LG Prada? (yes it was a feature phone but the point is that it was a touch screen phone, the first of it's kind)
****, let's go EARLIER then that, the IBM Simon, wasn't really a "cell phone" maybe bag phone, but it had a resistive touch screen.

"We have a mantra: don't be evil, which is to do the best things we know how for our users, for our customers, for everyone. So I think if we were known for that, it would be a wonderful thing." - Larry Page
I totally want to have Google's babies!

When I say Google is for humanity, I'm speaking in relation to their sphere of involvement, not a "Christ" or anything weird like that. Google cares about benefiting humanity with convenience and comfort. Example: If Google knew of a perpetual free energy source, they would reveal it to the public. The others might be inclined to keep it secret from the public because of deals or influence from battery makers or oil companies. Google would laugh at an oil company who wanted them to keep free energy from the public.
If Google discovered alien life, they wouldn't be inclined to keep it from the public in order to keep church safe. They would reveal any and every information that can potentially free humanity from tyranny. NASA would oblige the government for the sake of religious lobbyists in Washington to keep it secret so humanity can remain under control of the church that much longer.
Sure, Google is a business. Google is made up of people who have the same needs everyone else does and need to make a living. That doesn't mean they have to conduct their business like the "good 'ol boys" do. If Google fails, humanity will remain in darkness that much longer until another entity comes along and rocks the system.

SOPA bill hearings - no opponents allowed

moving to canada as soon as i get the money and gas money.
http://www.yousaytoo.com/congressio...-the-bill-allowed/1434936#.Tsl5xNcWPKM.tumblr
SCREW THIS GOVERNMENT.

All they're accomplishing by doing this is stirring even more public distrust and hatred towards the government.

You Americans always...You think your government are downright assholes?Come to Greece!The place where idiocy is considered a fundamental "trait" if someone wants to lead the country.
I'm so depressed now...

With the current nutjobs in the majority in the House I am not suprised. All they are about is tax cuts for the rich and de-regulate all big corporations and banks so they can rob us and poison us at the same time. It is just creeping fascism, but maybe the "creeping" is actually "running" now days. Couple that with the Roberts SCOTUS that says that corporations are people and money is speech (Citizen's united) and are allowed to buy elections, we are screwed.
Since the elite have already bought off the corporate "news" media, now they want the last bastion of free speech, the "internets".

This is really a secret conspiracy hatched by the VPN providers to force everyone to use their services or risk being thrown in jail.

Actually its Hollywood. The same people who tried to sue back in the 90's to ban mp3 players.
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The thing is also Google does have lobbyists in congress and Google is against it. Sony is too, and Microsoft Telecom hate it too
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Kiboe said:
The thing is also Google does have lobbyists in congress and Google is against it. Sony is too, and Microsoft Telecom hate it too
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As big as Hollywood companies are, Google, Sony, and Microsoft are a LOT bigger.
This bill won't pass, not with companies like this trying to stop it, because we all know who can pay the government more.

Wow , such corruption and bribery can never be tolerated in Singapore
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funny thing is even Google and other big online guys are against this SOPA bill
In another post, Tepp said that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce "will always stand" on the "side of American businesses"--an odd statement given that the list of businesses opposed to SOPA includes eBay, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, AOL, Zynga, and many other technology companies. (See CNET's FAQ and our previous coverage of security concerns.)
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-5...-aggressive-defender-u.s-chamber-of-commerce/

well... ****. Am I the only one who saw internet censorship coming?
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**** like this makes me want to just throw away technology and move to a mountanous area in some third world country.
here's the link to sign the petition against this bs: http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/sopa_testimony/?akid=1018.606560.JTkqV4&rd=1&t=2
share it on facebook, twitter etc.. make your voices heard

tolis626 said:
You Americans always...You think your government are downright assholes?Come to Greece!The place where idiocy is considered a fundamental "trait" if someone wants to lead the country.
I'm so depressed now...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK63eUyk-iM&feature=related
Ahhh. greece.. it just as nice as i thought it would be.

I was lmfao when i saw this bill. This bill is going to drop harder than anything. Piracy actually helps sales. One friend pirates movie oh i saw that movie etc you should see it to.
If it does pass piracy is going to be hitting harder than it was before. Movies will be pirated while the scene is actually taking place. Behind the scenes all the time.

Sad thing is that these companies are legally allowed to bribe our elected officials through a process called lobbying.
Lobbying should be illegal.
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jordanishere said:
Sad thing is that these companies are legally allowed to bribe our elected officials through a process called lobbying.
Lobbying should be illegal.
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The problem is that the same people who could make lobbying illegal are the politicians getting the money! They are enjoying their payoffs way too much to make a law against getting free money from lobbyists

DaveC1964 said:
The problem is that the same people who could make lobbying illegal are the politicians getting the money! They are enjoying their payoffs way too much to make a law against getting free money from lobbyists
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It's a vicious cycle...
Too bad we can't really do anything about it.. Who doesn't want free money?

I wonder why "big pharma" would be against it. Canadian online drugstores making that big a dent in their profits or are they afraid of the free exchange of homeopathic remedies or is it (most likely) that the internet makes it easier for people who have suffered severe side effects from their overpriced medicines to find each other and start class action suits?

You can fight this and many other horrible bills that our bought congress creates at demandprogress.org. They organize many petitions against these bills.

Google finally has some Ammo in the Lawsuit Battles

http://www.talkandroid.com/91827-go...ion-pull-down-bar-still-pending/#.Tz8Ts-ywVz3
Saw this posted over on Droidforums. With everything that Apple has sued over, Google has not had the means to return the favor as it has not done much in the way of patenting things that seem intuitive, or have they? Seems they filed a patent for a notification tab all the way back in '09, just hasn't been approved yet. Looks like iOS 5 may pay for so blatantly ripping off Android after all the whining about things that Android has supposedly "stolen" from Apple. Guess we'll see what comes of this.

Once Motorola merger completes GOOG will be in much better position to protect itself from the nonsense patent lawsuits. Motorola patents would be a deterrent to Apple.

I hope Google rips Apple.

akashvani said:
Once Motorola merger completes GOOG will be in much better position to protect itself from the nonsense patent lawsuits. Motorola patents would be a deterrent to Apple.
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Yup, Motorolla has been making mobile phones/mobile communication since 1928, so you bet they have MANY patents that relate to how a mobile phone works.

adelmundo said:
Yup, Motorolla has been making mobile phones/mobile communication since 1928, so you bet they have MANY patents that relate to how a mobile phone works.
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They do but in europe that means they are legally obliged to allow others to use those patents as without them no others could make phones. Its called frand and there must be equivalent rule in usa and other countries.
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mistermentality said:
They do but in europe that means they are legally obliged to allow others to use those patents as without them no others could make phones. Its called frand and there must be equivalent rule in usa and other countries.
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The patent holder has to agree they are covered by FRAND, normally in order for products to be made and sold, or in order to match the requirement of a standard (ie a consortium agrees a new standard, then manufacturers set out to be the first to make the technology to fit the standard).
For instance if Motorola came up with a new technology that would give 10 days battery life and 1Gbps connection but didn't release that as FRAND, mobile equipment manufacturers (tower makers etc) would find it very difficult to make equipment to use that technology so Motorola can then sell phones that use it.
What happened with the Apple FRAND 3G issue is they didn't bother to make any payments so "stole" the technology. Now they've been caught out and told they must pay, they're objecting to being penalised for stealing, which is why they're trying to put pressure on the patent system to have the rules changed in their favour.
There are plenty of other patents which don't come under FRAND, the push email that Apple have infringed for instance.

I hope google gets his patent and goes to apple "Well we have a core feature of your OS on all your devices patented, we won't use this patent against you and force you to change your whole OS as long as you leave us, and the other handset makers alone"

xaccers said:
The patent holder has to agree they are covered by FRAND, normally in order for products to be made and sold, or in order to match the requirement of a standard (ie a consortium agrees a new standard, then manufacturers set out to be the first to make the technology to fit the standard).
For instance if Motorola came up with a new technology that would give 10 days battery life and 1Gbps connection but didn't release that as FRAND, mobile equipment manufacturers (tower makers etc) would find it very difficult to make equipment to use that technology so Motorola can then sell phones that use it.
What happened with the Apple FRAND 3G issue is they didn't bother to make any payments so "stole" the technology. Now they've been caught out and told they must pay, they're objecting to being penalised for stealing, which is why they're trying to put pressure on the patent system to have the rules changed in their favour.
There are plenty of other patents which don't come under FRAND, the push email that Apple have infringed for instance.
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I was under the impression from the patents blog that certain essential patents have to be licenced as otherwise the patent holder is stifling competition.
Apple did get caught not paying and got away with it by apparently saying they would make a new licence fee offer to motorola. This got the injunction lifted but their new offer was still less than motorola wanted as it was a clever but effective way to lift the iphone ban.
Apples attitude is "we are apple, do what we say or you will be litigated out of existence". And with such deep pockets no one can stop them because the world belongs to the lawyers.
There is no way even a big hundred million dollar company could afford to battle apple because sooner or later it comes down to who can pay their lawyers the longest and that's always going to be the richest company.
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mistermentality said:
I was under the impression from the patents blog that certain essential patents have to be licenced as otherwise the patent holder is stifling competition.
Apple did get caught not paying and got away with it by apparently saying they would make a new licence fee offer to motorola. This got the injunction lifted but their new offer was still less than motorola wanted as it was a clever but effective way to lift the iphone ban.
Apples attitude is "we are apple, do what we say or you will be litigated out of existence". And with such deep pockets no one can stop them because the world belongs to the lawyers.
There is no way even a big hundred million dollar company could afford to battle apple because sooner or later it comes down to who can pay their lawyers the longest and that's always going to be the richest company.
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Yes in this case the patent is part of the 3G standard, so the 3G consortium agreed on the 3G standard and either tasked them with creating the technology to meet the standard or they were the the first/best of the bunch of companies that tried to make the technology to meet the standard. Had they not agreed to FRAND then another technology method would have been given the status as part of the 3G standard.
Remember the issues with different dial up modem technologies until one was picked as the standard? Oh fun times those were

http://www.bgr.in/manufacturers/app...ttempts-to-dodge-apple’s-slide-unlock-patent/
Another patent article, though what I found interesting is the mentioned-in-passing patent that Google has filed for Voice Recognition unlocking and possibly Face Recognition unlocking. Looks like Apple will have to pay licensing fees in the future or be left in the dust.
I'm hoping Google also beats them to the punch on fingerprint unlocking. Sucks that manufacturers and developers have to patent every damn little thing now though.

mistermentality said:
I was under the impression from the patents blog that certain essential patents have to be licenced as otherwise the patent holder is stifling competition.
Apple did get caught not paying and got away with it by apparently saying they would make a new licence fee offer to motorola. This got the injunction lifted but their new offer was still less than motorola wanted as it was a clever but effective way to lift the iphone ban.
Apples attitude is "we are apple, do what we say or you will be litigated out of existence". And with such deep pockets no one can stop them because the world belongs to the lawyers.
There is no way even a big hundred million dollar company could afford to battle apple because sooner or later it comes down to who can pay their lawyers the longest and that's always going to be the richest company.
Dave
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Dave
Msft used to think they are above the law because of their deep pockets. Time will tell how long Appl will remain the big bully without paying for its crimes.
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Aun no puedo entrar, ...

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/16/google-files-patent-app-for-unlocking-devices-says-we-dont-nee/
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[Discussion] XDA blocked in Iran

from two days ago xda forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com) blocked in Iran!!!!!
Can anybody say me why!? Is there any sexual or political thread here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Iran

Huh? Thats odd
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I hope that is a temporary issue that will be dealed with soon.

Iran has plans in the near future to completely disconnect themselves from the global internet and replace it with a heavily censored state intranet. Perhaps they're starting to block off resources that can teach people ways to circumvent internet technologies.

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Iran has plans in the near future to completely disconnect themselves from the global internet and replace it with a heavily censored state intranet. Perhaps they're starting to block off resources that can teach people ways to circumvent internet technologies.
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that's quite likely, although perhaps a blanket distrust of Western internet sites is the other possibility.
Sounds like a right proper pain to folk in Iran.

Maybe because filters blocked it by accident? I, live in Oman and Internet service is crappie -They blocked Google and it's services by accident and it lasted for 3-4 days.

interiesting

sreza said:
Iran has plans in the near future to completely disconnect themselves from the global internet and replace it with a heavily censored state intranet. Perhaps they're starting to block off resources that can teach people ways to circumvent internet technologies.
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it's incredible that in 2012 there are things like this --'

Casi92 said:
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Sadly, there are still worse places than this, like North Korea. As far as these countries are concerned, the Enlightenment never happened.

At some point in time blame ultimately shifts from the oppressor to the people that allow themselves to be oppressed.

I know Turkey blocked youtube back few years ago(for sure atleast a year)... not sure if its still blocked though

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At some point in time blame ultimately shifts from the oppressor to the people that allow themselves to be oppressed.
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In the case of North Korea, the situation is called a "cult of personality". Their -religion- is the worship of the rulers, and the state media does a very good job of preventing the people from realizing the advances that have taken place in the rest of the world over the past 40 years. They honestly don't know any better.
In Iran however, the people aren't being oppressed by the ruling class. They are actually actively oppressing themselves. They have access to the internet, and they are appalled by how liberal the rest of the world is. As the American Dad episode shows, the men are quite happy with the status quo, and the women are stoned to death for raising any protest. They have democratic elections the same as us, with 48 million registered voters, and the voting isn't particularly rigged either. The trouble is that they live in a society with Bronze Age ethics.
Hell, the most passionate advocates for covering women's faces and genital mutilation are the women themselves, who feel it's the only way to keep themselves from being raped (and then stoned to death for committing "adultery") or from being unable to be considered marriageable.