Looks like Google is ready to take it to 'em. And this is correctly targeting *all* parties involved. Not just Apple. And I'm glad to see Google stand up and wallop. I hope Google balances out the situation because Google is the only real and true, "worthy" company among them all. Google stands for humanity. The others stand for profits at all costs. With Google here, the others are usable and enjoyable. Without Google here, the others are the ruination of the industry.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/03/google-slams-apple-and-microsoft-claims-hostile-organized-cam/
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Google stands for humanity. The others stand for profits at all costs.
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Oh come on now, let's not get carried away. Google is a business as well. They care about making money. And they do it by collecting as much info about you as possible and then selling it to advertisers.
Now, I am against this patent BS and fully support Google in their effort to fight it. But lets not make Google into more than they are.
Praise Jesus they're getting involved!!
lol google is more powerful, and will eventually just be as evil as any of those other companies.
Google is becoming too much of a monoply. They're just very good at concealing their true intentions.
I don't like patents?
Yes, completely forget about the phrase "Don't Be Evil." True, they are not as evil as Apple, but they still have some shady stuff.
It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Google didn't come off looking too good after the whole Nortel thing by immediately going to the DOJ and blogging about how broken the patent system is(which it is). Android seems to be everyone's target these days
Ouch.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/03/microsoft-just-kicked-google-in-the-nuts/
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Ouch.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/03/microsoft-just-kicked-google-in-the-nuts/
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Was just about to post the same, so Microsoft asked google if they wanted to bid with them and google said no and yet they blog that crap...
How exactly would Google bidding with MS help them? They need patents to defend themselves from MS, to establish a MAD situation. They can't do that with patents that are jointly owed by MS too.
And this all shows the BS-ness of patents. Where's the stuff about patents encouraging innovation and stuff? Nowhere. All I see is patents being bought as bargaining chips.
I mean, buying some patents and using them to sue is totally about someone copying what you invented, riiiiiiight. Because buying = inventing, sure.
I can only repeat: It's all BS.
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How exactly would Google bidding with MS help them? They need patents to defend themselves from MS, to establish a MAD situation. They can't do that with patents that are jointly owed by MS too.
And this all shows the BS-ness of patents. Where's the stuff about patents encouraging innovation and stuff? Nowhere. All I see is patents being bought as bargaining chips.
I mean, buying some patents and using them to sue is totally about someone copying what you invented, riiiiiiight. Because buying = inventing, sure.
I can only repeat: It's all BS.
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Well it works like this, you buy a patent with one of your competitors and then it can't be used against you by them.
It also saves you money as the cost is shared and there is one less bidder at the auction to ramp the price up trying to out bid you.
Sure, you then can't use it to make a deal with MS to infringe some of their patents for free, but if you don't win the bid, you can't do that anyway, and they can use it against you.
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Was just about to post the same, so Microsoft asked google if they wanted to bid with them and google said no and yet they blog that crap...
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FAIL GOOGLE =)
that is all
Monopolies are never a good thing. Whenever one company becomes too powerful and controls everything that goes on in your life it becomes a little frightening.
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How exactly would Google bidding with MS help them? They need patents to defend themselves from MS, to establish a MAD situation. They can't do that with patents that are jointly owed by MS too.
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Or they could suck up their pride, have patents along with Apple, Oracle, Microsoft, etc., have this cross-licensing patent deal and have less lawsuits. On the other hand, they can buy all the patents and use them for "defensive purposes."
I don't like the patent system either and I am pretty sure that Google won't fix it.
Booms! Plurals! Gets used to its!
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Well it works like this, you buy a patent with one of your competitors and then it can't be used against you by them.
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Yeah, but there's tons of patents that aren't part of this particular portfolio. So all there would be is Google spending a lot of money while not being any safer from litigation.
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What does this have to do with pride? It's all about needing to amass a large portfolio of patents just so that when you're sued (and you *will* be sued, because it has become impossible to create *anything* without infringing), you have something to defend yourself.
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Oh come on now, let's not get carried away. Google is a business as well. They care about making money. And they do it by collecting as much info about you as possible and then selling it to advertisers.
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their street view cars can read e-mail too, ya know, they have wifi-detection software in the antennas of those cars.
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every company sells info, hate to break it to ya. and the conspiracy nuts fail to reealize those antennas are there so they can detect a wifi hotspot like a coffee shop or private network, and put into the maps software.
imagine if you are a traveling buisiness man with a laptop, and don't have a wireless tether on your phone, also if you are in a dead zone (serious, all verizon customers, go to mound city, mo, just TRY to use your data there, you will be lucky if you get 1x, must have somthing to do with the bluff)
Google's biggest problem right now is Apple, especially with the recently ruling Apple got against HTC <I would post link if I could but I'm not allowed yet>. So it would have been beneficial for them to jointly own them with Microsoft, for a couple reasons. First being Apple isn't going to go after Microsoft, their patent portfolio is too big. But more importantly it gives Google more defense against Apple which is really what they need right now. I believe I read somewhere that Google only has about 1000 patents related to the wireless and I'm sure Apple has ton more.
I do agree the whole patent system is rediculous for software but unfortunately it is what it is for now.
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Google's biggest problem right now is Apple, especially with the recently ruling Apple got against HTC <I would post link if I could but I'm not allowed yet>. So it would have been beneficial for them to jointly own them with Microsoft, for a couple reasons. First being Apple isn't going to go after Microsoft, their patent portfolio is too big. But more importantly it gives Google more defense against Apple which is really what they need right now. I believe I read somewhere that Google only has about 1000 patents related to the wireless and I'm sure Apple has ton more.
I do agree the whole patent system is rediculous for software but unfortunately it is what it is for now.
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well, technicly google got into the mobile market back in 2003 when they purchased then start-up company Android Inc.
and people forget that the iPhone wasn't the first capacitive touch screen phone
anyone remember the LG Prada? (yes it was a feature phone but the point is that it was a touch screen phone, the first of it's kind)
****, let's go EARLIER then that, the IBM Simon, wasn't really a "cell phone" maybe bag phone, but it had a resistive touch screen.
"We have a mantra: don't be evil, which is to do the best things we know how for our users, for our customers, for everyone. So I think if we were known for that, it would be a wonderful thing." - Larry Page
I totally want to have Google's babies!
When I say Google is for humanity, I'm speaking in relation to their sphere of involvement, not a "Christ" or anything weird like that. Google cares about benefiting humanity with convenience and comfort. Example: If Google knew of a perpetual free energy source, they would reveal it to the public. The others might be inclined to keep it secret from the public because of deals or influence from battery makers or oil companies. Google would laugh at an oil company who wanted them to keep free energy from the public.
If Google discovered alien life, they wouldn't be inclined to keep it from the public in order to keep church safe. They would reveal any and every information that can potentially free humanity from tyranny. NASA would oblige the government for the sake of religious lobbyists in Washington to keep it secret so humanity can remain under control of the church that much longer.
Sure, Google is a business. Google is made up of people who have the same needs everyone else does and need to make a living. That doesn't mean they have to conduct their business like the "good 'ol boys" do. If Google fails, humanity will remain in darkness that much longer until another entity comes along and rocks the system.
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http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-sues-teen-who-sold-steve-wozniak-his-white-iphone-4/97249
Theres the link basically summarizing that apple decides to sue a teenager who sold white iphone 4 conversion kits he ordered from china early, and apple decides to sue his family for over 100k, im not gunna lie apple is starting to piss me of with there suing of samsung "copying" the iPhone and copying android with iOS 5, not to mention they called us copycats with our tablets that are VERY different from theres..
It's apple's time of the month.
+1 to that!!
While I don't agree with Apple suing the Teenager and targeting him first, the parts were also obtained illegally, and he had no permission to sell apples products. His parents also were in on it too, so it was more a family matter than just him. What they're suing him for is basically what he made, that seems pretty fair to me.
Also haters gonna hate. If Apple didn't bring out the ipad, the tablet market would still be tiny and almost non-existent. Same with the smart phone market, and same with the mp3 market. They don't create the markets, but they easily have a hand in shaping them to something bigger.
Read other articles too that explain the situation more.
http://www.cultofmac.com/teen-who-s...d-a-laywer-to-defend-himself-from-apple/97469
It’s a bit hard to parse what to think of all this. On one hand, it seems pretty bogus for Apple to be sending a team of lawyers into a meeting with a teenage kid who can’t afford representation, but on the other hand, it looks like Apple’s not really interested in taking this very far. After all, they’ve already filed motion to dismiss. My guess is they are just trying to make a public wrist-slap of the whole thing, and otherwise, let Fei get on with his life. But should proceedings really have even gotten this far to begin with?
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Like I said, I don't agree with Apple targeting him like that, but the kits weren't his to sell.
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While I don't agree with Apple suing the Teenager and targeting him first, the parts were also obtained illegally, and he had no permission to sell apples products. His parents also were in on it too, so it was more a family matter than just him. What they're suing him for is basically what he made, that seems pretty fair to me.
Also haters gonna hate. If Apple didn't bring out the ipad, the tablet market would still be tiny and almost non-existent. Same with the smart phone market, and same with the mp3 market. They don't create the markets, but they easily have a hand in shaping them to something bigger.
Read other articles too that explain the situation more.
http://www.cultofmac.com/teen-who-s...d-a-laywer-to-defend-himself-from-apple/97469
Like I said, I don't agree with Apple targeting him like that, but the kits weren't his to sell.
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It's extremely refreshing to see someone who isn't completely stupidly blinded by Android fanboyism; someone who realizes that Android wouldn't be where it is now if Apple hadn't started this all.
Not mocking you, I'm serious. I've seen your posts and you seem to be among the few mature people on this forum.
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It's extremely refreshing to see someone who isn't completely stupidly blinded by Android fanboyism; someone who realizes that Android wouldn't be where it is now if Apple hadn't started this all.
Not mocking you, I'm serious. I've seen your posts and you seem to be among the few mature people on this forum.
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i feel a simple cease and desist letter would have been good enough. i dont consider myself as a fanboy but this. i dont think the need to sue him:
1. he was just trying to pay for school
2. all the clients that bought the kits had to take apart there phones thus voiding there warranty. so if they broke it then apple will charge full price to anyone who needed to get a replacement. more money for Steve.
they are makings him give all his money he made back to apple and shut down the site. if i were apple i would congratulate him and maybe make him a distributor.
Just return the damn parts.
100k for some kid and his family? Ridiculous.
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im not gunna lie apple is starting to piss me of
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Starting? Apple has never changed.
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i feel a simple cease and desist letter would have been good enough. i dont consider myself as a fanboy but this. i dont think the need to sue him:
1. he was just trying to pay for school
2. all the clients that bought the kits had to take apart there phones thus voiding there warranty. so if they broke it then apple will charge full price to anyone who needed to get a replacement. more money for Steve.
they are makings him give all his money he made back to apple and shut down the site. if i were apple i would congratulate him and maybe make him a distributor.
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1. Doesn't matter, he is still selling an illegal product. That being okay, then it must be okay for me to sell a product that's also illegal to put myself through school! Thinking heroine might fetch me a good amount.
2. That's on the client then, since they decided to buy the kit.
I don't think some of you realize that what he did was illegal. I will say it again, even though I've said it a couple of times. The way Apple went after this kid I'm against, but the kid should not be protected or above the law and should have known what he was getting himself into. Intel does the same thing when people leak pre production cpus. It's one thing if it's just the kid, but it's his kid and his parents and his parents are responsible for him. Even if they weren't in on it, they could have easily just have said no to this but didn't.
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1. Doesn't matter, he is still selling an illegal product. That being okay, then it must be okay for me to sell a product that's also illegal to put myself through school! Thinking heroine might fetch me a good amount.
2. That's on the client then, since they decided to buy the kit.
I don't think some of you realize that what he did was illegal. I will say it again, even though I've said it a couple of times. The way Apple went after this kid I'm against, but the kid should not be protected or above the law and should have known what he was getting himself into. Intel does the same thing when people leak pre production cpus. It's one thing if it's just the kid, but it's his kid and his parents and his parents are responsible for him. Even if they weren't in on it, they could have easily just have said no to this but didn't.
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Hello.
Lam is claimed to have diluted and infringed Apple’s trademark – compromising its relationship with customers by causing confusion over whether there was an official release of the white iPhone 4.
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Wow. See - U.S. "intellectual property" law has become a burden impossible to bear, which is being exported worldwide - like the ACTA crap. Retarded patents being granted by USPTO without any prior review, RIAA, MPAA etc. lobbying their laws thru to force virtually unlimited copyright duration, strip all fair use right from people etc.
This idiocy is harming progress. Who profits? Lawyers? Sure. Jobbers? Definitely. Lawmakers that take money from these lobbyists? You bet. Consumers? Hell no way.
He sold on as conversion kits at up to $295 a piece to those who couldn’t wait any longer for the device
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Wow. White iPhone 4, wheeeeeeeee. I must have it NOW, 111!!!!!!111!!
Let us shot the minor dead since our brainwashed iPhone fans are "confused". Go sue those who buy some Chinese piece of plastic skin worth of $0.50 for $295 and declare them mentally incompetent, first of all taking their voting right away from them.
I like how everyone is just preying on the obvious sensationalist nature of the article.
What he did was wrong, it doesn't matter if he was a minor, a girl, a monkey or Bob Saget, it's still wrong. Get it into your heads, and move the **** on.
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What he did was wrong, it doesn't matter if he was a minor, a girl, a monkey or Bob Saget, it's still wrong. Get it into your heads, and move the **** on.
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The only thing being wrong here is Apple not realizing they have succeeded in brainwashing people so incredibly that they are willing to fork out $300 for a piece of useless plastic (the "conversion" kit.) - what a missed business opportunity. They could have spared loads of cash selling just the useless plastic instead of the whole phone. Buy a black iPhone and get a white skin for only $300 - wow, what a bargain. I can imagine millions of teenagers convincing their parents that this is definitely a musthave.
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It's extremely refreshing to see someone who isn't completely stupidly blinded by Android fanboyism; someone who realizes that Android wouldn't be where it is now if Apple hadn't started this all.
Not mocking you, I'm serious. I've seen your posts and you seem to be among the few mature people on this forum.
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Disliking one brand does not automatically make you a fanboy of another rival brand. Your generalisation fails.
Like Kayne West, like what they make, hate what they do.
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Disliking one brand does not automatically make you a fanboy of another rival brand. Your generalisation fails.
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Obviously you don't know the difference between "disliking" a brand and having irrational hate for it. The majority of people posting in here have no real rational reason for their Apple hate, it's just all about how Android owners are "required by unwritten code of law" to hate all things Apple.
Apple's not perfect, but much of the reasoning I keep seeing for hating them is downright immature and retarded.
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Obviously you don't know the difference between "disliking" a brand and having irrational hate for it.
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Even irrational hatered of something does not automatically equal fanboisim for a rival brand, although it is equally as pointless as irrational devotion.
I can like several products and dislike others for many reasons without being a fanboy for any one of them.
Irrational devotion and defensiveness for a brand is a sign of fanboisim. Not bothering to research and just purchasing on company marketing or brand loyalty can be a result fanboisim.
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The majority of people posting in here have no real rational reason for their Apple hate, it's just all about how Android owners are "required by unwritten code of law" to hate all things Apple.
Apple's not perfect, but much of the reasoning I keep seeing for hating them is downright immature and retarded.
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I am glad you can tell people what they think and why they think it. People like and dislike apple for a number of reasons. Conversely many of the reasons I see people telling me I should like apple I consider immature and retarded, and until I see features that appeal to me I shall not consider buying apple products.
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Even irrational hatered of something does not automatically equal fanboisim for a rival brand, although it is equally as pointless as irrational devotion.
I can like several products and dislike others for many reasons without being a fanboy for any one of them.
Irrational devotion and defensiveness for a brand is a sign of fanboisim. Not bothering to research and just purchasing on company marketing or brand loyalty can be a result fanboisim.
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It does when you supplement said irrational hate with further irrational/generalized/generic points about your preferred brand.
I am glad you can tell people what they think and why they think it. People like and dislike apple for a number of reasons. Conversely many of the reasons I see people telling me I should like apple I consider immature and retarded, and until I see features that appeal to me I shall not consider buying apple products.
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Yes, because I've said somewhere in my post that I hate Apple or that you should like Apple. /s
Are you even reading the thread title? It's something a 10 year-old would say. If it was Google suing a minor, you can be damn sure the title would haven't been phrased the way it is. I'm not telling ANYONE what to think, I'm asking people to think about what they're saying. If you still want to **** on Apple, at least use mature reasoning, that's all I'm saying.It's like watching the console wars (360 vs PS3) and the combatants are all screaming tweens who play Modern Warfare and whose mothers just bought them their consoles
Please don't play stupid. The Android fanboyism is here, and rampant. Each line of the irrational insults and hate that iOS and Apple get on here further confirms to me that there are complete idiots who exist on this forum who don't understand what impact Apple has had on the mobile landscape.
You respect your rivals, you don't hate them. Even if you don't want to be remotely polite about them, the least you can do is ignore what doesn't affect you, especially when you use retarded childish tactics to make your opinion vocal.
I think the biggest issue people see here is that people try to push the idea that because Android gives us choice, it must instantly be better. Where is the logic in that? I have the CHOICE to say **** the law and start shooting people at random, rather than stick with the law that says doing so is not allowed. Exaggerated? Yes. Retains the point? Very much so; Apple's strategy is not to be the mind-controlling Orwellian bull**** that most Android fanboys seem to think it is, they simply try to eliminate the need for choice by making all the elements of the phone and its OS as perfect, functional, and good looking as they can.
That doesn't make them worse, that just makes them different. You don't have to agree with it, but it doesn't make for a poor product, it just makes for a product that doesn't do what you want.
Although the kid shouldn't have sold the conversion kits, that was clearly wrong, there is something else here.
If he was able to sell these kits at $300 a piece, then there was obviously some moron willing to pay that price. Simple supply and demand. They are clinically insane.
Apple is also trying to send out a message here and declare that anyone willing to sell their product illegally will be held accountable. They are just trying to protect their intellectual property. I feel a little bit of sympathy for the kid, but he will know never to do it again!
He found someone in the factory to see him the parts.. I would think the factory should be hit hard for this, which I assume they will be..
I am just curious at what point to they become Apple's property. If apple pre-paid for all the parts than sure it s theirs..If they pay after the parts are made and delivered, than did the kid sell Apple's stuff or just copyright infringement because of the logo?
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He found someone in the factory to see him the parts.. I would think the factory should be hit hard for this, which I assume they will be..
I am just curious at what point to they become Apple's property. If apple pre-paid for all the parts than sure it s theirs..If they pay after the parts are made and delivered, than did the kid sell Apple's stuff or just copyright infringement because of the logo?
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From the moment the contract was made from Apple to Foxconn, it was Apples product.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07...eat-google-for-nortel-patents/?ref=technology
Big problems for Android coming?
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It's funny how far off their bid was...
Why would that make a difference? They didn't have the patents before the sale so nothing really changed.
Just so you guys know, this stuff happens all the time. Google was putting in weird bids and one of them was even for the number for pi. 3.14...billion. Theory has it that Google didn't really want the patents but wanted the price driven up some. They've done it before. If i can find the link to the article i'll post it for you but in essence this is no big deal.
I take all of this with a grain of salt. Google is an extremely smart and innovative company. They knew they didn't need to receive those patents, or they could have outbid. I agree, it was more of a process to draw the bid higher, that's all.
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Actually, now that i've read other sources Google does say they were disappointed. Geez they were outbid by a conglomerate of Apple, RIM, Sony, and Microsoft. Yeah, that's fair. Still doesn't seem like a crushing blow according to most articles. Just an inconvenience.
$4.5b for the Nortel patents is overpriced when Google can just buy RIM for $15b.
Means that Android Manufacturers play more royalties per device than people who are part of the consortium or who already have a license. It will affect the race to the bottom, where cheaper Android devices will have a higher Build of Materials costs due to higher licensing costs vs other OS's who have this pegged in.
For OS Vendors, it's a strategic armoury for patent disputes. For Manufacturers its all about the build cost.
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$4.5b for the Nortel patents is overpriced when Google can just buy RIM for $15b.
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I'd like to see Google buy Apple and MS as well as RIM and Sony. That would be a hoot. Google is the only company of them all that has a humanity-driven business model. If Google were ever to fold, I guarantee the world would turn dark.
I have hope Google has tricks up its sleeves to get past this business with Apple. The Nortel stuff I think is inconsequencial. But I hope Google can come out on the top side of this. Google certainly has skillful and genius programmers and devs so I see them coming up with alternatives to any roadblocks brought on by infringed patents or loss of patents.
I wuv google <3
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Lets wait and watch.
Google wanted Nortel's patents because their own patent portfolio is quite small. When you get sued by companies like Apple and Microsoft, it is VERY GOOD to have a strong patent portfolio. It gives you a position of strength in the license negotiations.
Losing the Nortel's patents may mean that Google has to take patent licenses from folks like Apple and Microsoft.
Specifically, the judge found that HTC infringes patents 5,946,647 and 6,343,263. The first relates to receiving information that can then be used by a single interaction from the user, e.g. receiving a phone number, automatically highlighting it, and tapping the screen to call. The second relates to the processing of real-time data on a handset.
The issue this causes is much bigger than just impacting sales of HTC device as the patents relate to Android, not just HTC hardware. If the ruling stands, then Apple could quite rightly go after every manufacturer that uses Android, be it a smartphone or a tablet, and demand their device be banned from sale in the U.S. In effect, Apple would stop Android in its tracks and remove its biggest competitor from the field of play.
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http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...ould-see-all-android-devices-banned-20110716/
great, american consumers will be stuck with smuggled android devices.
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Will Apple get the ban hammer someday?
Apple has lost the race to android so now they are suing every android maker
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Apple has lost the race to android so now they are suing every android maker
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Precisely. It's funny that they have the nerve to do this, when many "new" features of iOS5 are clear rip-offs of Android features.
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Ginosaji said:
Most of these patents are a blatant exploit of the system. I wouldn't be surprised if most, if not all of them are thrown out.
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Indeed these patents have only a few years left in them, yet for the first one loads of phones and computer programs have incorporated text recognition and processing, yet I don't recall Apple getting uppety about it.
technology will be slow if all patent not colaborate
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technology will be slow if all patent not colaborate
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Only in America, for Americans. The rest of the world doesn't have this problem with idiot patents grabbing "ownership" of massively vague concepts. It's not really a problem for the rest of us, America is just a small corner of the worldwide market.
great,,,,,,,,,...
MAD I tell you!
If Apple were to get Android banned, I would imagine Google will fight back by removing all their apps from iOS.
There goes Google maps, youtube, and gmail.
We would live in the smartphone dark ages.
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MAD I tell you!
If Apple were to get Android banned, I would imagine Google will fight back by removing all their apps from iOS.
There goes Google maps, youtube, and gmail.
We would live in the smartphone dark ages.
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I don't see that happening. If anything, Apple will license their products to Google for a fee or Google will pay royalties. That is if anything comes of it.
Apple is pushing too hard.
These are normal things, which everyone uses, has used and will use. All droid companies gotta do is bring up a small update for the call thing and then smear it in apple's face, idk about second one though.
This is no way near to banning androids all over usa, indeed apple just changes a few things, while using android stuff.
They have been holding out on new iphone, probably cause of this patent thing.
Android made it through the multi touch patent, this should be a piece of cake.
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Apple is pushing too hard.
These are normal things, which everyone uses, has used and will use. All droid companies gotta do is bring up a small update for the call thing and then smear it in apple's face, idk about second one though.
This is no way near to banning androids all over usa, indeed apple just changes a few things, while using android stuff.
They have been holding out on new iphone, probably cause of this patent thing.
Android made it through the multi touch patent, this should be a piece of cake.
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There hasn't been anything done by Apple on the multi-touch capacitive mobile display tech yet. Apple was just awarded the patent last month. In all likelihood Apple will wait to see what happens with all of its current litigation before determining what to do with its nuclear bomb.
Apple will never be able to put a finger on with the current models. Probably a royalty.
I was under the misinformation that apple got the patent a year ago.
'Apple was just awarded the patent last month.'
I am sure there is a law that stops patented technology from going forward against the technology which is present at that time
Actually doesn't iOS already steal Android's notification system? Hahahaha...
popular products never actually get banned from sale. What actually happens is that the parties agree to a match of chess after they get bored of the court, and the lower pays the winner a random amount of money.
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Apple will never be able to put a finger on with the current models. Probably a royalty.
I was under the misinformation that apple got the patent a year ago.
I am sure there is a law that stops patented technology from going forward against the technology which is present at that time
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Apple applied for the patent around the time the first iPhone came out, about 3 years ago. The government just now found time to award it to them. I guess it took the government 3 years to study its validity.
I think Apple just wants some money - royalties - from HTC (or Samsung... or any other manufacturer).
There would be a big backlash against Apple if they were able to ban any android devices from the United States.
It's all about the money.
FloatingFatMan said:
Only in America, for Americans. The rest of the world doesn't have this problem with idiot patents grabbing "ownership" of massively vague concepts. It's not really a problem for the rest of us, America is just a small corner of the worldwide market.
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That's why I love my dear Brazil... ahh soooo great! haha
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...-android-in-serious-trouble/13714?tag=nl.e539
I just read this, and wow.
While I am not a programmer, I cant understand how apple is winning these disputes. If you read here
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
you will see that in some cases.. just having a SCREEN that allows you to touch it to control the phone is a copyright infringement, and that same screen that shows you the information is also a copyright infringement.
That's like saying a Ford truck has 4 wheels that roll with an engine providing the power is a copyright infringement on chevy
The potential is that HTC will be banned from selling phones in the US, but that article also says that all android devices break these patents.
wtf apple.. you cant beat android so you do this crap?
msticlaru said:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...-android-in-serious-trouble/13714?tag=nl.e539
I just read this, and wow.
While I am not a programmer, I cant understand how apple is winning these disputes. If you read here
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
you will see that in some cases.. just having a SCREEN that allows you to touch it to control the phone is a copyright infringement, and that same screen that shows you the information is also a copyright infringement.
That's like saying a Ford truck has 4 wheels that roll with an engine providing the power is a copyright infringement on chevy
The potential is that HTC will be banned from selling phones in the US, but that article also says that all android devices break these patents.
wtf apple.. you cant beat android so you do this crap?
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apple is getting set up to get REAMED by the FTC for monopolistic business practices.. completely borked patent system aside, crapple may win these battles but eventually big daddy google is gonna step in and start throwing their weight around. i'd like to see apple try and go toe to toe with them
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All sides in these disputes have loaded guns pointed at the other. A settlement is the only way out for Apple and the Android manufacturers.
anoninja118 said:
apple is getting set up to get REAMED by the FTC for monopolistic business practices.. completely borked patent system aside, crapple may win these battles but eventually big daddy google is gonna step in and start throwing their weight around. i'd like to see apple try and go toe to toe with them
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Apple: "Well, we innovated all this stuff (not really, this technology was thought of long ago, but we put it on the market and somehow a bunch of fags started buying them, so we put a copyright/patent on EVERYTHING, even your ass!), and now we're getting our ass handed to us by an open source OS. And since we're too narrow-minded to think of more stuff to try to save our market share, we'll just file for patent infringement everywhere we can!"
FTC: "Umm, we don't think that's such a good idea..."
Google: "DO IT ******. We dare you."
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kvswim said:
Google: "DO IT ******. We dare you."
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I think that might be the best summary of how these lawsuits are going to end up.
kvswim said:
Apple: "Well, we innovated all this stuff (not really, this technology was thought of long ago, but we put it on the market and somehow a bunch of fags started buying them, so we put a copyright/patent on EVERYTHING, even your ass!), and now we're getting our ass handed to us by an open source OS. And since we're too narrow-minded to think of more stuff to try to save our market share, we'll just file for patent infringement everywhere we can!"
FTC: "Umm, we don't think that's such a good idea..."
Google: "DO IT ******. We dare you."
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+1 best thing ive heard all day
mst*claru said:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...-andro*d-*n-ser*ous-trouble/13714?tag=nl.e539
* just read th*s, and wow.
Wh*le * am not a programmer, * cant understand how apple *s w*nn*ng these d*sputes. *f you read here
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/*tc-judge-f*nds-htc-*n-*nfr*ngement-of.html
you w*ll see that *n some cases.. just hav*ng a SCREEN that allows you to touch *t to control the phone *s a copyr*ght *nfr*ngement, and that same screen that shows you the *nformat*on *s also a copyr*ght *nfr*ngement.
That's l*ke say*ng a Ford truck has 4 wheels that roll w*th an eng*ne prov*d*ng the power *s a copyr*ght *nfr*ngement on chevy
The potent*al *s that HTC w*ll be banned from sell*ng phones *n the US, but that art*cle also says that all andro*d dev*ces break these patents.
wtf apple.. you cant beat andro*d so you do th*s crap?
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There... I ed*ted your post to protect you from Apple's lawyers.
But seriously... most of the patents they've been granted are ridiculous
and severely threaten development of tech. by other companies.
When I compared many of the Android phones against the iPhone, I found the iPhone to be a dinosaur. Apple is running scared. It's time to innovate again Apple, not threaten and sue.
I like your auto manufacturer analogy. They each push each other to build better automobiles. They don't waste their time suing each other over who had which feature first. Although I doubt many of the features have been patented.
If you can't out-innovate them, out-litigate them.
Apple is just setting themselves up for a huge failure.
I will never buy an apple product and know many that will not.
And they are drawing lots of attention to android, people may say i have to see what all the fuss is about and buy an android phone.
Apple almost died once and the competition bailed them out, who will bail them out next time?? not Google!
Let them shoot themselves in the foot!
apples patents are sooo vague. Apple sure as hell is feeling the heat, they know they have nothing left in the tank and thousand miles left. They will crash and burn and the fanboys will see the true beast. Like I say you buy apple your going to eat it.
i think google should stop allowing iphones to use google maps and other google services; including gmail, maps, voice, latitude, etc.. that would show them.
Look at Google, Android phones use things Google developed (some unfortunately use MS developed things but we won't get into that). even look at windows phone 7, it uses MS branded services like Bing Maps, Messenger, XBL, things that MS developed.
but then there is apple. they have NO services similar to those that Google/MS have; no maps, no messenger, no search engine. No, all they have is a big ****ty store with 200,000 farting apps
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i think google should stop allowing iphones to use google maps and other google services; including gmail, maps, voice, latitude, etc.. that would show them.
Look at Google, Android phones use things Google developed (some unfortunately use MS developed things but we won't get into that). even look at windows phone 7, it uses MS branded services like Bing Maps, Messenger, XBL, things that MS developed.
but then there is apple. they have NO services similar to those that Google/MS have; no maps, no messenger, no search engine. No, all they have is a big ****ty store with 200,000 farting apps
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200,000 farting apps = win! Almost pissed myself when I read that line
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Delicate Donut said:
200,000 farting apps = win! Almost pissed myself when I read that line
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Don't get me wrong I am all about Android and Google, but the android market has TONS of farting apps too
Rememo said:
I like your auto manufacturer analogy. They each push each other to build better automobiles. They don't waste their time suing each other over who had which feature first. Although I doubt many of the features have been patented.
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Good thing Apple and Oracle aren't in the automobile business then. I know MS is starting to step into Fords, though.
dougdascenzo said:
Don't get me wrong I am all about Android and Google, but the android market has TONS of farting apps too
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I farted when I read about all of these farts! Android apps are better because most are free, ad revenue based. Farted again.
Story says MS is tracking WP7 users through their WP7 phones. If you have nothing to hide, don't worry. Maybe it will save your life someday.
http://gizmodo.com/5836713/lawsuit-...cking-every-windows-phone-even-if-you-opt-out
z33dev33l said:
The lawsuit is because the lady cut off the GPS settings and feels shes still being tracked by the camera app.
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Wow... I'm glad I keep mine in a pouch when I'm not using it. I'd hate for them to see me scratching me arse.
So wait she 'feels' like she's being tracked by the camera app? Is there any proof of it?
is this really surprising?
does anyone really think Microsoft values its users' privacy any more than the other big players?
that people believe these giants (el goog, MSFT, Apple - ANY business today that wants to be effective in this evolving marketing landscape) give two ****s about their users' privacy or security is comical.
get used to being monitored one way or another... it doesn't matter what search engine you use, what operating system you use, which mobile phone you have: you are being cataloged, researched and categorized with every action you take over the air. there is no way around it. that's the world we live in today, and it will only become more integral as technology continues to develop and businesses continue to seek new ways to reach their target markets.
don't mistake this for a tin foil hat post, I'm just sick of people running around acting like Google and Apple are the only companies in the world that "research" their customers via probing. they all do it. why is this shocking to anyone? take off the rose tinted spectacles, folks...
pmcqueen said:
is this really surprising?
does anyone really think Microsoft values its users' privacy any more than the other big players?
that people believe these giants (el goog, MSFT, Apple - ANY business today that wants to be effective in this evolving marketing landscape) give two ****s about their users' privacy or security is comical.
get used to being monitored one way or another... it doesn't matter what search engine you use, what operating system you use, which mobile phone you have: you are being cataloged, researched and categorized with every action you take over the air. there is no way around it. that's the world we live in today, and it will only become more integral as technology continues to develop and businesses continue to seek new ways to reach their target markets.
don't mistake this for a tin foil hat post, I'm just sick of people running around acting like Google and Apple are the only companies in the world that "research" their customers via probing. they all do it. why is this shocking to anyone? take off the rose tinted spectacles, folks...
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They would if it was Apple. Apple haters fine comb the world to find stuff to hate on Apple for. Some of them even manufacture issues with Apple so they can spew their hate and discontent.
All companies are the same. If Google was were Apple is, they would be doing the same thing. This goes for all other companies as well. Even the US government is getting into the suing business. They're suing companies and institutions right and left. It's "sue" pandemonium these days...like a carnival. I watched a "Sliders" show once, a very long time ago, where they slid into an alternate Earth were everybody was suing everybody else just for looking at someone crosseyed. Planet Earth seems to have slid right into the same episode as that Sliders one.
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I'm just sick of people running around acting like Google and Apple are the only companies in the world that "research" their customers via probing. they all do it.
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I know they do this kind of "research", and I know I'm watched everywhere everyday by cctv or whatever. But I just want to know how they do this, in what kind of conditions and by what tools. So I can make myself as best as possible.
z33dev33l said:
The lawsuit is because the lady cut off the GPS settings and feels shes still being tracked by the camera app.
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Which from the look of the articles it is tracking users.
Though I don't remember this properly but once Google automatically deleted a particular malware from all of it's affected android handsets without notifying them first.
In the end, this may have been for the betterment of the users. But if this is where Google sets the line, I'm against it. This is violation of privacy.
As for Microsoft, this was no different.
Did he really just say if Google was where Apple was at? Really? Last time i checked Google has passed Apple in well almost everything.
PharmCAT said:
*tin foil hat*
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Made my day +1 this is why i prefer my android
Lolol, read the comment. Atleast no one bought it. #yourtoeasytoloveMS.
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