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It seems mister Steve Jobs is very scared of Android, as I'm sure your all aware.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...es-patents-appea/&category=classic&postPage=1
Apple continues to target the major Android handset manufacturers. Unfortunately it seems HTC lost its battle with Steve for now, with Samsung also under fire.
Does Apple really think they can slow down Android enough to keep its precious iPhone on top? Not likely. I don't think showing fear is good for the company.
Apple continues to rely on its brand name's reputation, instead of doing something truely innovative (the iPhone was innovative... WAS. The iPad was innovative as well, but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it). Now the iPhone is small screened and slow (network and CPU wise) compaired to any high-end Android device.
Apple is only buying time. Sooner or later, the iPhone fad will come to an end, much like Facebooks current plight.
Feel free to give your input.
*NOTICE* These are my personal opinion. If you like the iPhone or Apple for that matter, then more power to you. Apple makes good products, expensive as they are. Flaming is not necessary.
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"All Things D is reporting that the two patents in question are 5,946,647 and 6,343,263, the former of which is said to be "fundamental to Android."
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orkillakilla said:
but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it
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Isn't the Xoom some half-finished product, both software and hardware-wise?
Other than that, I fully agree with your post - Apple is afraid. Very afraid. They're not the only ones though, Microsoft is as well. That's why they're both resorting to patent litigation. While at the same time Apple is totally copying Android's notification dropdown. Hypocrisy at it's best.

The ones who are really afraid? The ones who keep talkin' smack about Apple and MS. Otherwise they would sit back and watch it.

MartyLK said:
The ones who are really afraid? The ones who keep talkin' smack about Apple and MS. Otherwise they would sit back and watch it.
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Yes, we're talking out of fear, it's totally not about calling companies out on their crap. Sure. LOL

Totally agree bother! Didn't Microsoft get in trouble for forcing there software into pcs? Someone got paid off for win this last one with HTC. I think its totally against our rights to hold back technology for the gain of one. Plus the iphone is old school. Its time to move on to better pastures Mr jobs! Remember how technology was for apple before the iphone came out or the ipod? Apple sucked the big one! I think there running scared cause android is its competition! to bad,we the people have a right to choose!
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orkillakilla said:
It seems mister Steve Jobs is very scared of Android, as I'm sure your all aware.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...es-patents-appea/&category=classic&postPage=1
Apple continues to target the major Android handset manufacturers. Unfortunately it seems HTC lost its battle with Steve for now, with Samsung also under fire.
Does Apple really think they can slow down Android enough to keep its precious iPhone on top? Not likely. I don't think showing fear is good for the company.
Apple continues to rely on its brand name's reputation, instead of doing something truely innovative (the iPhone was innovative... WAS. The iPad was innovative as well, but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it). Now the iPhone is small screened and slow (network and CPU wise) compaired to any high-end Android device.
Apple is only buying time. Sooner or later, the iPhone fad will come to an end, much like Facebooks current plight.
Feel free to give your input.
*NOTICE* These are my personal opinion. If you like the iPhone or Apple for that matter, then more power to you. Apple makes good products, expensive as they are. Flaming is not necessary.
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hmm another android vs apple thread...hmm.. lost count on the numbers now

jags_the1 said:
hmm another android vs apple thread...hmm.. lost count on the numbers now
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Hmm... another pointless post. Lost count on the number now...
If you don't want to add to the discussion, or don't like the fact that there are many of these threads, simply don't read it.
Has far as the Xoom goes, I've only read good things about it, and that it's at least on the same level as the iPad. I haven't played around on one though, so I can't say for sure.
It seems Microsoft and Apple, being the "old dogs" in the computer/tech/smartphone world, have their tails between their legs, acting like a chihuahua showing it's teeth at a pit bull...

orkillakilla said:
something about dogs
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I don't think its Apple with the problems.. check out some snippets from the link below:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
ITC judge finds HTC in infringement of two Apple patents
Google's Android mobile operating system is in serious trouble:
Patents appear to be at the core of Android and are likely infringed by all Android devices
I have looked at those patents before and they appear to be very fundamental. They are very likely to be infringed by code that is at the core of Android.
This could in a worst-case scenario result in an import ban against many or even all Android-based HTC products in the U.S. market.
In a slightly less negative scenario, HTC might have to remove certain functionality from its products, and that could result in a significant or even substantial degradation of the quality of those devices.
Since those patents don't appear to relate to HTC's own extensions of Android but to Android itself, they may affect all of the other makers of Android-based devices. Apple could soon be in a strong position to obtain import bans against dozens of device makers.
Apple unlikely to grant a license -- but might make damages claims
Android is also under fire in dozens of federal lawsuits. By my count, there are 49 Android-related infringement suits (federal and ITC). A very prominent one is Oracle's lawsuit against Google, and the judge presiding over that case has raised very serious questions about the possibility of Google's intentional infringement of Java-related intellectual property.

Tone_ said:
I don't think its Apple with the problems.. check out some snippets from the link below:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
ITC judge finds HTC in infringement of two Apple patents
Google's Android mobile operating system is in serious trouble:
Patents appear to be at the core of Android and are likely infringed by all Android devices
I have looked at those patents before and they appear to be very fundamental. They are very likely to be infringed by code that is at the core of Android.
This could in a worst-case scenario result in an import ban against many or even all Android-based HTC products in the U.S. market.
In a slightly less negative scenario, HTC might have to remove certain functionality from its products, and that could result in a significant or even substantial degradation of the quality of those devices.
Since those patents don't appear to relate to HTC's own extensions of Android but to Android itself, they may affect all of the other makers of Android-based devices. Apple could soon be in a strong position to obtain import bans against dozens of device makers.
Apple unlikely to grant a license -- but might make damages claims
Android is also under fire in dozens of federal lawsuits. By my count, there are 49 Android-related infringement suits (federal and ITC). A very prominent one is Oracle's lawsuit against Google, and the judge presiding over that case has raised very serious questions about the possibility of Google's intentional infringement of Java-related intellectual property.
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As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
I have read some about the Oracle case, but I haven't really read all about it yet. I'll definitely give that a look.
Also, I would like to thank you for making a productive post that isn't negative, and that actually adds to this discussion.

Well it's not really a surprise here. Every software dev does this kind of thing. They ask patents on certain elements that they know would slow down or make another product less appealing.
Otherwise spending thousands of dollars on patents would be kinda pointless.
And like MS did and does it sues those that so called took there patent without asking or paying. I don't see anything new here. Sure it's again the big companies Apple vs Android but heck those are the 2 biggest players for home usage.
The point of all these lawsuits is:
Try and get money from competition even banning devices
Showcase all features you have but others can't get
Advertise
And for the other company sympathy. Besides ads even if they are bad are always good for sales
And a good lawyer stretches it till it either expires or till they invent something better.

orkillakilla said:
As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
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HTC bought S3 recently and Apple has been found infringing on S3 patents. This stupid game works both ways. So there may not be a one-way settlement, but instead a cross-licensing deal.
@Tone_: Apple resorting to patent litigation is because it is them with a problem. Android's growth is much faster than iOS's. And Apple doesn't like that.
Also, it begins, the backlash because of this software patent stupidity: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2011/jul/15/app-developers-withdraw-us-patents <- It's app developers for now, but I'm really, really waiting for the day when hardware makers simply pull out of the US market. Let the US companies sue each other into oblivion, while the saner parts of the world flourish in actually moving things forward.

orkillakilla said:
As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
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HTC bought out the rest of S3 and apple infringed them so who knows, would most likely be other Android manufactures that cop it..
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/7/4/apple-found-guilty-s3-patent-infringement/

Gusar321 said:
@Tone_: Apple resorting to patent litigation is because it is them with a problem. Android's growth is much faster than iOS's. And Apple doesn't like that.
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They say there is no smoke without fire also a lot of people buying Android probably could not afford or do not want iphones so Apple probably aren't that worried as its a sale they would not have made.

Tone_ said:
They say there is no smoke without fire also a lot of people buying Android probably could not afford or do not want iphones so Apple probably aren't that worried as its a sale they would not have made.
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That's not necessarly true. Before Android, if you wanted a smart phone, you either got a WMP, crapberry, or an iPhone. Most people probably wouldn't want a windows phone. Blackberries were good, but moslty for business people. That leaves iPhone. If Android weren't in the picture, you can bet a lot of people would be getting iPhones.
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orkillakilla said:
That's not necessarly true. Before Android, if you wanted a smart phone, you either got a WMP, crapberry, or an iPhone. Most people probably wouldn't want a windows phone. Blackberries were good, but moslty for business people. That leaves iPhone. If Android weren't in the picture, you can bet a lot of people would be getting iPhones.
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True but I would say wanting rather than getting at the time they were expensive, still are in comparison. All Android sales are not sales lost to Apple as I alluded to earlier.
Apple are probably more bothered about all the taglines the iworshipers love to hear that they can no longer use..

Isn't another selling point of Android the screen size of some devices? I mean alot of people can't type or anything on the iPhones tiny screen
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Jmatch said:
Isn't another selling point of Android the screen size of some devices? I mean alot of people can't type or anything on the iPhones tiny screen
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I remember going to the Apple store when the iPhone came out to try it. I couldn't type with my sausage thumbs. So I was banned to sliders and flippers until the newer 4.3 Android phones. And now Apple winning against HTC... WTF. Go to hell Apple. I'd rather reactivate my VX8300 than buy a iTurd.

I remember when the iPhone first came out. The only smartphones we had were low-quality, low-tech devices with resistive, un-finger friendly LCDs. The best we had was Treos or other stuff. There were no smartphones with all the tech the iPhone employed at that time. When the iPhone came out, it included all that futuristic tech we all dreamed of but could never get. It was like going from vinyl records to CDs. For you young-uns, that was a huge and exciting step.
The iPhone opened up a whole new world. Here in the US, companies were either too scared or too lazy to make an effort to incorporate solid reliability and high-tech into a smartphone. Then comes Apple. They not only made a world record phone, but made it genuinely reliable and usable. Sure...other companies had smartphones. But they didn't have the simplicity and cleanness and reliability or contain all of the high-end hardware the iPhone contained. Apple did for us consumers what the rest of the industry at that time did not want to do: make a fully developed and reliable smartphone that they (Apple engineers) wanted to use. Apple made a phone that they, themselves, wanted. You don't get that anywhere else in industry. Companies only make what their bean counter, lawyers, committees or shareholders want them to make. The other companies are only interested in putting out just barely good-enough products that will sell. Apple basically said to hell with the committees, lawyers, bean counters and made what they wanted to make. *THAT* is why the iPhone became a world-wide phenomenon. When a company makes something you truly want and wish a company would make, it will sell wildly and take over the world.
That is Apple. The company that did us all good and right and now, because other companies are copying Apple's success, and spreading lies and mis-information about Apple, people hate Apple. Apple gave us all what no other company had the stones to give us. And people are hating them for it. People look at all the smartphones we have now and say Apple's stuff is ****. But they never stop...or are too young to realize...that before the iPhone, the only thing we had was nothing like or as good as an iPhone.

MartyLK said:
I remember when the iPhone first came out. The only smartphones we had were low-quality, low-tech devices with resistive, un-finger friendly LCDs. The best we had was Treos or other stuff. There were no smartphones with all the tech the iPhone employed at that time. When the iPhone came out, it included all that futuristic tech we all dreamed of but could never get. It was like going from vinyl records to CDs. For you young-uns, that was a huge and exciting step.
The iPhone opened up a whole new world. Here in the US, companies were either too scared or too lazy to make an effort to incorporate solid reliability and high-tech into a smartphone. Then comes Apple. They not only made a world record phone, but made it genuinely reliable and usable. Sure...other companies had smartphones. But they didn't have the simplicity and cleanness and reliability or contain all of the high-end hardware the iPhone contained. Apple did for us consumers what the rest of the industry at that time did not want to do: make a fully developed and reliable smartphone that they (Apple engineers) wanted to use. Apple made a phone that they, themselves, wanted. You don't get that anywhere else in industry. Companies only make what their bean counter, lawyers, committees or shareholders want them to make. The other companies are only interested in putting out just barely good-enough products that will sell. Apple basically said to hell with the committees, lawyers, bean counters and made what they wanted to make. *THAT* is why the iPhone became a world-wide phenomenon. When a company makes something you truly want and wish a company would make, it will sell wildly and take over the world.
That is Apple. The company that did us all good and right and now, because other companies are copying Apple's success, and spreading lies and mis-information about Apple, people hate Apple. Apple gave us all what no other company had the stones to give us. And people are hating them for it. People look at all the smartphones we have now and say Apple's stuff is ****. But they never stop...or are too young to realize...that before the iPhone, the only thing we had was nothing like or as good as an iPhone.
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Yes, Apple opened the doors to the modern smartphone, but if it wasn't them, someone else would have.
As for Apple as a company, the ONLY thing they did right was the iPhone/pod/pad. Their computers were crappy as hell (WERE). They have done better with computers recently, though not for the price in my opinion. I don't necessarily hate apple, I just think most if their products are way too expensive for my taste (mainly their computers).
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Dislike Apple? ITC Rules HTC Violated 2 Apple Patents, Bad News for Android?

I saw this in another forum and thought I would also share it here in the Sensation Forum.
Well I'm not a Apple or MS fan, but Apple is throwing all it's punches towards Android it seems. Just shows how much of a impact Android has had on them and will have in the future.
Anyway read this article about the ITC and HTC violating Apples Patents. I hope HTC comes back a wipes the **** out of Apple in the end.
http://allthingsd.com/20110715/itc-rules-htc-violated-two-apple-patents/?refcat=news
And here http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20079905-94/itc-says-htc-violating-two-of-apples-patents/

Apple is just full of crap.
This will blow over, it wont have a huge impact, they wont be able to sue much for damages even if HTC did loose. Android is open source, they will either find a loop hole or just work around it for future releases. No worries here.

That's crap.. The patents are 15 years old. Looks like Android is starting to be a threat to them.
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They are very paranoid of all the Android success...hope HTC wins the appeal!

Google need to take action to protect its eco system.
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I like to see Apple suing more OEMs so they will gang up on Apple and sue back togather in revenge, and if at the end of the day HTC loses and got banned from selling Android devices in the US market, American consumers will probably be stuck with smuggled products.

Patent enforcement is a big and lucrative business. All the major players have a portfolio of patents they use defensively to protect themselves from being sued. This quote sums up HTC's particular position:
HTC is considered the most vulnerable legally of the Android partners because it lacks a robust portfolio of patents that act as a potential shield. Earlier this month, HTC purchased S3 Graphics, largely because of a collection of patents that the ITC administrative law judge recently determined were used illegally by Apple.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20079905-94/itc-says-htc-violating-two-of-apples-patents/

dhumil said:
That's crap.. The patents are 15 years old. Looks like Android is starting to be a threat to them.
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They're that old??
Hmm.....IIRC,international patents last 17 years.
Two years of appeals....
I suspect that in the end,Apple will get theirs.
The sad part is that I don't dislike Apple,they just don't impress me.

It was only judge who ruled in Apple's favor. It's still going to be reviewed by the whole panel of judges. This isn't even close to a "victory" for Apple. Yet.

BarryH_GEG said:
Patent enforcement is a big and lucrative business. All the major players have a portfolio of patents they use defensively to protect themselves from being sued. This quote sums up HTC's particular position:
HTC is considered the most vulnerable legally of the Android partners because it lacks a robust portfolio of patents that act as a potential shield. Earlier this month, HTC purchased S3 Graphics, largely because of a collection of patents that the ITC administrative law judge recently determined were used illegally by Apple.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20079905-94/itc-says-htc-violating-two-of-apples-patents/
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Thanks for the link, I added it to the first post as well. It looks like HTC might be buying the patents as defense.
Like others said it is a long way from over.

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Google need to take action to protect its eco system.
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It really sucks they lost out on the Nortel patents. It would have helped a lot. But honestly, this patent trolling has to stop. It's getting ridiculous now.

The only reason why android is getting all these random lawsuits is because its a threat.. Apple never cared before Google bought android. YES android existed before the G1 from Google, Google bought android out and took it to new levels, which we all thank lol.. The big players do this all the time, Apple Vs Microsoft, Apple Vs. Samsung, Apple Vs. Android... Well microsoft owns part of Apple's stocks, and vise-versa, its a way to move money around without being blunt obvious..

aNYthing24 said:
this patent trolling has to stop.
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Even if HTC loses, it won't really change anything except their profit margin. They'll end up paying Apple something per handset for use of their intellectual property but won't have to redesign the handsets. But now that they own patents that Apple's theoretically infringing on the whole thing could be a draw anyway.

Apple has resorted to patent trolling hopefully...the appeals court will overturn the ruling

Bloody Apple...why don`t they just create great products instead of suing competitors. Stupid American thinking - if you can`t beat your competitor, sue him.
But no to worry - Google reported that every day there are 550 000 Android devices activated.

I cannot believe that Apple is actually trying to claim that they invented SCROLLING and TOUCH SCREENS. And all this as they're blatantly copying Android's notifications for iOS 5. I hope Google sues the living **** out of them.
This company is the very definition of scum.

I don't like Apple at all
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When your own pool of innovation has run dry, sue the other guy for having a bigger pool
Steve Jobs fostered this sort of thinking by Apple back in the garage days, and although they have found ways over the years to manipulate their groupthink disciples and the non-techie commonman into believing that they have changed, it's never really been any different. Small wonder, since Microsoft and Apple basically created each other, and forged their own business personas together... an endless game of backstabbing between two foul companies, whilst at the same time they attempt to destroy anyone else in the middle.
Companies like Microsoft and Apple make me wish that anti-trust investigations were more centered around *groups* of corporations, rather than simply individual ones. A lot more of the real dirt going on in the tech markets would maybe get scrubbed off of the floor, so to speak

[update] Apple VS HTC

found it on bbc. Some interesting facts regarding HTC's plan of attack. I thought it will be good to share with all of you:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14238741

AntonJart said:
found it on bbc. Some interesting facts regarding HTC's plan of attack. I thought it will be good to share with all of you:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14238741
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Thanks, was looking for more info on this.

Thank you I was slightly confused of the situation and what was happening. This article cleared it up and made me hopeful that Android will still be in the US.

To assume HTC has more guns in their arsenal than apple is comical, let it go back and forth in a patent war and there will be a clear winner. They really should've attempted to come to an out of court agreement or found a work-around.

z33dev33l said:
To assume HTC has more guns in their arsenal than apple is comical, let it go back and forth in a patent war and there will be a clear winner. They really should've attempted to come to an out of court agreement or found a work-around.
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Unfortunately, you're right on. Even so, I'm still rooting for HTC.
Thanks for the article.

I thought if Apple went after HTC they would have to go after companies such as Motorola and Samsung. They would also have to go after Windows Phone 7. So if they did succeed of banning such operating systems from the U.S. there would be Anti-Trust issues too?

z33dev33l said:
To assume HTC has more guns in their arsenal than apple is comical, let it go back and forth in a patent war and there will be a clear winner. They really should've attempted to come to an out of court agreement or found a work-around.
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To assume this is Apple vs HTC is even more comical. This is Apple vs ANDROID and any manufacturer that has Android on their hardware. If HTC doesn't make a stand, Morola is next and Samsung is already being sued luckily if they weren't already in bed with Apple they'd be facing banishment from America as well.
Everyone who likes to make choices should be rooting for HTC. As the article says. I can't think of one person EVER who has walked into a store looking to purchase an Iphone and walked out with an Android phone. But that's the bottom line with what Apple was claiming at the ITC. Which is garbage. There are more Android users than iPhone users and that is a problem for Apple.

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To assume this is Apple vs HTC is even more comical. This is Apple vs ANDROID and any manufacturer that has Android on their hardware. If HTC doesn't make a stand, Morola is next and Samsung is already being sued luckily if they weren't already in bed with Apple they'd be facing banishment from America as well.
Everyone who likes to make choices should be rooting for HTC. As the article says. I can't think of one person EVER who has walked into a store looking to purchase an Iphone and walked out with an Android phone. But that's the bottom line with what Apple was claiming at the ITC. Which is garbage. There are more Android users than iPhone users and that is a problem for Apple.
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but due to the shotty way that android is produced android is teetering on the backs of its OEMs. If they attack the OEMs individually they have a case that while not technically valid is legally secure enough to essentially cross out android for a decent period of time. Im not saying I support the idea but androids infrastructure is a joke and it was pretty clear that this is what it's come to given time.

I like variety! Crapple Monopoly! Apple's patents are so stupid, like finger gestures and pinch to zoom. Josh from Engadget said how useless the HTC Evo was with the front camera till the iphone4 came out with one. Then the iphone was innovative.

waydaddym said:
I like variety! Crapple Monopoly! Apple's patents are so stupid, like finger gestures and pinch to zoom. Josh from Engadget said how useless the HTC Evo was with the front camera till the iphone4 came out with one. Then the iphone was innovative.
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Stupid or not, if they were your patents you'd be loving them...with all the sports cars and luxury they would buy you.
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It's nice to see what Apple resorts to when they have less customers using their phones. I have never been a supporter of Apple, and none of these lawsuits will help to change that.

Apple's own proud could be its demise. I'm an apple and htc fan. I hope they compete in the marketplace and not the courtroom.
I believe apple makes better media devices and htc makes better phones. So I own both.
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To those people talking about the legal defenses of apple vs HTC, yes there's no question that apple has more resources. But it also reminds me of Eric Schmidt of Google saying that they would "make sure" that HTC wins. With HTC having Google's backing, it will be interesting to see what happens. It really does seem that lately, instead of being competitive in the market, apple has been choosing to go after their competitors in the courtroom. There's no denying that they've lost market share due to android's explosive growth, and it seems like they're uneasy.

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To those people talking about the legal defenses of apple vs HTC, yes there's no question that apple has more resources. But it also reminds me of Eric Schmidt of Google saying that they would "make sure" that HTC wins. With HTC having Google's backing, it will be interesting to see what happens. It really does seem that lately, instead of being competitive in the market, apple has been choosing to go after their competitors in the courtroom. There's no denying that they've lost market share due to android's explosive growth, and it seems like they're uneasy.
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you're right, never thought of it. HTC got google in the back, and apple? nobody, and I think google is much bigger that apple..

k_nivesout said:
To those people talking about the legal defenses of apple vs HTC, yes there's no question that apple has more resources. But it also reminds me of Eric Schmidt of Google saying that they would "make sure" that HTC wins. With HTC having Google's backing, it will be interesting to see what happens. It really does seem that lately, instead of being competitive in the market, apple has been choosing to go after their competitors in the courtroom. There's no denying that they've lost market share due to android's explosive growth, and it seems like they're uneasy.
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True, Google is backing HTC because they don't have more resources then Apple.
It's the reason why Google didn't back Samsung, Samsung has WAY more then enough resources then Apple, and they have more patents, so they can easily take on Apple.
I really do hope that Samsung and HTC win their suits, because if they do, that would be a giant ***** YOU* to Apple.

pudgybunnyBry said:
It's nice to see what Apple resorts to when they have less customers using their phones. I have never been a supporter of Apple, and none of these lawsuits will help to change that.
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This, a million times this. I've always been against Apple's practices, and this is making it so much worse.
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Android forever!
So, HTC!

Looks like the Apple pressure might be too high for some. I know Apple is fearsome, though. Don't blame anyone not wanting to face them.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/25/htc-exec-leaves-company-for-personal-reasons/

MartyLK said:
Looks like the Apple pressure might be too high for some. I know Apple is fearsome, though. Don't blame anyone not wanting to face them.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/25/htc-exec-leaves-company-for-personal-reasons/
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Sure, all to do with Apple and nothing to do with his daughter having leukaemia.

Apple Seeks Preliminary Injunction Against Samsung Galaxy Nexus

http://pocketnow.com/android/apple-seeks-preliminary-injunction-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus
seriously ? word completion
wtf

really... this apple way really offending me.... why they did not realize good and cheap products instead of sueing everybody they think are market better ranked???
who will they suite now? the nature cause of electron speed in battery charge???
apple wake up!

Word Completion, seriously Apple? They've had that in Windows Mobile since at least 2000 (possibly earlier on Windows CE) and it really wasn't much different from what Apple has on the iPhone today.

More ridiculousness from camp crApple!
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Sigh.
I hope what goes around comes around one day.
I'm waiting for the day when the other OEMs gang up on Apple.

I Am Marino said:
Sigh.
I hope what goes around comes around one day.
I'm waiting for the day when the other OEMs gang up on Apple.
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The way Apple directly attacked Google it this one, makes the think how long Google will hold out before unleashing Motorola's patents on Apple.

nejc121 said:
The way Apple directly attacked Google it this one, makes the think how long Google will hold out before unleashing Motorola's patents on Apple.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.

Once somebody invents something, nobody else better even try to make a competing product. Apple will not rest until they are a complete monopoly. There were touch screen phones with Windows Mobile, Palm, etc years before the iPhone. I had no problem with the iPhone in 2007, it had quite a different UI from previous touch screen phones. Android also had a UI quite different from the iPhone when it came out. It had widgets, a notification bar, etc. I'm sure iOS inspired some of Android's UI but thats like saying Yahoo inspired Google.
Its a wonder Google was even allowed to start as a company since there were search engines established years before Google like Yahoo, AltaVista, etc. Its too bad one of them didn't copyright the search button, they could have sued Google out of existence in the late 90s.

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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
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You know little to nothing. In several courts in Europe apple is losing law suits and in some cases are not allowed to sell their drek. They are constantly attempting to patent things that already exist, and are trying to sue away superior products because they can not compete with the innovation of others. Apple did revolutionize the industry in 2007, and have done nothing but fallen behind since then. Their current product is so devoid of innovation it is embarrassing. They are on average a full calendar year behind the competition, but mindless fanboys, like you choose to ignore it
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Says it all
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple...exus?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
It's time for Google to step in and put a stop to this bull****. The first patent in question is the same one that was upheld against HTC in a move that shocked the tech community at large, essentially giving Apple the rights to the hyperlink --something invented over 20 years ago by numerous companies that aren't Apple.
The other three are just as laughable, or would be if not for the fact that Apple was allowed to secure the patents at all. Every single one of them has existed as prior art long before Apple became relevant, yet a patent was granted each and every time. This is the core of the problem. You can't blame Apple for trying, it's cheaper to litigate away your competition than it is to out-innovate them. And make no mistake -- that's exactly what's going on here. Apple wants Android to go away, and a look at any chart that shows market share will tell you why. It's a ****ty way to get ahead, but it's too easy not to try. It's going to take a tech giant to change the way this all works, and we know nobody can count on Apple or Microsoft to do it, because this is their system, created the way they like it, and making them rich. If Apple is afraid to go after Google, Google needs to go after Apple instead of sitting on their laurels waiting to ride in and save the day at the last minute.
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You know little to nothing. In several courts in Europe apple is losing law suits and in some cases are not allowed to sell their drek. They are constantly attempting to patent things that already exist, and are trying to sue away superior products because they can not compete with the innovation of others. Apple did revolutionize the industry in 2007, and have done nothing but fallen behind since then. Their current product is so devoid of innovation it is embarrassing. They are on average a full calendar year behind the competition, but mindless fanboys, like you choose to ignore it
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What alternate reality do you live in man? Cocaine is a helluva drug I see. Superior products don't get outsold my a 3 year old iPhone 3GS. The top 3 selling smart phones in the US are iPhone 4s, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, which means that a THREE year old phone outsold the "superior" competition. The iPhone also happens to be the top selling smart phone on virtually all carriers in the US and Europe(and likely Asia as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that one). Also, would you care to elaborate on how Apple is a full calendar year behind the competition? Last time I checked the iPhone outsold ALL Android phones combined on both AT&T and Verizon(huge Android backer btw) in the 4th quarter. The facts simply don't support your argument in any way, shape or form.

Britney Spears sold a ton of albums. Does that make her the best musical artist
The features of Ios 5 have been present in other mobile platforms for over a year. Dual core was available long before the 4s. Voice commands have Been around in android since gingerbread
It's simple, apple sells, no doubting that, they just do not innovate. They have not innovated since the first iPhone, **** they do not even offer 4g or 1gb of ram on any of their cell phones
But I am feeding the mindless troll, so I apologize
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forget i even said it.

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iPhones outsell others in certain situations because they are sold refurbished and cheap due to upgrades held within 2-year contracts. For instance, I bought an HTC Aria with AT&T almost 2 years ago. April 4th I qualify for a FREE upgrade to an iPhone 4.
Not everyone purchases their phones full-price and unlocked.
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You're not making any sense, if you had your phone for 2yrs then you qualify for upgrade pricing regardless of the phone. The carrier doesn't care whether you buy an iPhone or Android handset as long as they lock you into a new contract. You're making it sound as if iPhones are the only phones that get a carrier subsidy,which is obviously untrue.

nevermind.
avoiding infraction.

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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
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Are you sure you don't work for apple as you never address specific issues and only ever criticise with generalisations?
First go look at the motorola patents and you'll see they hold many patents that you cannot have a modern smartphone without using including having a hidden antenna for example. Which, contrary to your claim google would not sue apple over, google authorised motorola to use in a us court case against apple.
As for defending their ip well many of the things they patent and litigate over were stolen. Oh and if you want to talk rip offs look into lg claiming iphone ripped off prada.
Now your "facts" are shown incorrect perhaps you'll start using real facts?
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You're not making any sense, if you had your phone for 2yrs then you qualify for upgrade pricing regardless of the phone. The carrier doesn't care whether you buy an iPhone or Android handset as long as they lock you into a new contract. You're making it sound as if iPhones are the only phones that get a carrier subsidy,which is obviously untrue.
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I hate to say this as its agreeing with you but your right. Most phones do have two year contracts.
However I think your incorrect on subsidies as if I recall correctly iphones are not subsidised.
Iphones sell well due to simplicity, good marketing, fashion and because once you own an apple product your locked into its eco system.
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What alternate reality do you live in man? Cocaine is a helluva drug I see. Superior products don't get outsold my a 3 year old iPhone 3GS. The top 3 selling smart phones in the US are iPhone 4s, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, which means that a THREE year old phone outsold the "superior" competition. The iPhone also happens to be the top selling smart phone on virtually all carriers in the US and Europe(and likely Asia as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that one). Also, would you care to elaborate on how Apple is a full calendar year behind the competition? Last time I checked the iPhone outsold ALL Android phones combined on both AT&T and Verizon(huge Android backer btw) in the 4th quarter. The facts simply don't support your argument in any way, shape or form.
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If course iphone sold more. More iphones are made than any one specific android equivalent. If you were to judge based on operating system not models you will find android out numbers ios.
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Have this debate with my nephew all the time he is locked into the apple echo system and as I say to him they have got him where they want him.....trapped. but I have said this many times on here and it sums apple up
Average product first class marketing
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Have this debate with my nephew all the time he is locked into the apple echo system and as I say to him they have got him where they want him.....trapped. but I have said this many times on here and it sums apple up
Average product first class marketing
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Ok and if you actually bought Android apps then you're locked into Google's ecosystem. The only difference is Android apps are in typically of much lesser quality than iOS(the UI is particularly hideous IMO). I'd rather be locked into Apple's ecosystem with a better selection of quality,malware-free apps so you should really come up with a better argument for your nephew.

Apple Sues Again

Well, sadly, in another thread regarding the shipment delays I made the poor mistake of defending Apple and claiming the shipments being held by the ITC was likely a routine screening and not being held up because of Apple.
Turns out, I was wrong. Apple has filed a formal grievance with the US ITC today saying that HTC hasn't actually resolved the software issues and should meet as an emergency and re-enact the ban blocking imports of HTC phones.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10560
This is just more over-aggressive bull**** lawsuits for no reason. HTC is in no position to even directly compete against Apple in the market, and ultimately is doing some of the most unique software and hardware design in the industry.
At what point does this whole mobile lawsuit nonsense come to a boiling point?
Also, as a point of full disclosure, and because I don't really want to ***** about Apple being the worst company on earth, I do own use and love my iPad, Macbook Air, and iMac. I do own an iPhone 4S but as of recently it sits off in a drawer while I use my HOX.
This thread was not started with the intention of people piling in to say how Apple is terrible, or builds ****ty products, but rather have a conversation about the challenges of the mobile industry moving forward. As each company tries to innovate and release compelling products the likelihood of overlapping features and functionality is inevitable. How does the industry encourage innovate without trampling intellectual property rights? (or in other words, **** Software Patents)

Apple is just pissed the one x is better than the iPhone
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This is so ridiculous...

What gets me is how many of these patent disputes are actually FRAND (fair use) issues.
I'm waiting for some judge to put down his iPhone and see things clearly. Patent law is out of control and companies are only using it to maintain a monopoly or remain profitable to their stockholders when their product is actually no longer inovative and has lost market share (see also TiVo)

Apple sees a threat in Android a threat that will screw the company I hate apple but now its the devil to me .
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But this is bs! Why would they do that, apple needs competition, its basic business 101. Does apple think since I can't get a htc one phone imma get me some ios?? Hell no and im sure like me, that's just gonna piss others off and make it a point NOT to buy any apple products.
Maybe a boycott of apple is in order.
Man anyone see the original apple commercial for the first imac from the 70's or whatever? Oh the irony
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They should start focusing on a new iOS or putting something extraordinary in the iPhone 5 instead of law suites. Hop off android. Power users choose android and the rest use iOS their lawsuits won't convert anybody. They're always suing somebody haha. Samsung, HTC, might as well sue Google and the rest of the world.
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This has little to do with rightfully protecting intellectual property, and everything to do with patent trolling and using the law to attack competitors.
Android has gobbled up market share due to the fact that manufacturer are willing to give people variety and choices. Meanwhile, Apple is trying to lock everyone into one device form factor.
This also more represents Apple's failure to innovate, rather than the opposite. The iPhone has hardly changed its looks after 5 iterations. Aside from different backing material, it has looked almost exactly the same. And few internal hardware innovations as well. Aside from moving to a better screen, and a better camera, the hardware has only had incremental improvements (CPU and memory) over its entire lifespan.
The one form factor business model has benefited them in many ways, but we've come to a point where people now want bigger screens on their smartphones. Apple has simply run out of new ideas in the present form factor. Their biggest recent innovation. . . Siri (chuckle). They are stuck and they know it. If they move to a larger iPhone (and also a smaller iPad, or "iPad Mini" as its rumored) they begin to experience some of the OS fragmentation that they have criticized Android for so many times in the past.
I don't mean to complain about Apple so much, or sound like a hater. They make some nice devices, and have contributed some nice interface design to the smartphone world (earlier in the iPhones history). But its clear that they have stopped innovating. Instead of coming up with new ideas, they have chosen to use petty methods of attacking their competitors.

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Man anyone see the original apple commercial for the first imac from the 70's or whatever? Oh the irony
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It was the first Mac (or Macintosh back then) not iMac and the year was 1984. It played during the Superbowl. The irony is that 1984 (spelled out) is a book by George Orwell which was published in 1949 that dealt with a society under total government control. Apple's claim during the Macintosh commercial was that they were going to show the world how 1984 (the year) was not going to be like 1984 (the book). Apple has become the antithesis of what it proclaimed back in 1984.

I really tend to agree. While no one can argue that iOS and the iPhone were amazing innovations, and helped spur the mobile industry as it stands now, iOS has really stagnated on innovate.
There haven't been amazing new features / innovations to the platform in awhile and it seems Apple cares more about others not doing what they have done in the past then focus on what they can do in the future.
I think everyday there are more examples of software design that should be open and licensed rather than closed IP. Things like "pull to refresh" and "pinch to zoom" are functionalities that exist in natural user interface and simple should be able to freely licensed to all software developers.
If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
I just feel like software patents are going to be increasingly difficult to develop and protect and that these major players in the market need to understand there will be functionality overlaps. As such I want to see this bull**** end and cross-licensing begin.

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If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
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That is rational. Apple has no interest in negotiating nor being rational. They are the highest valued company in the world. They have no intention of licensing IP. They have so much cash that they don't know what to do with it and there is no sign of their revenue stream stopping any time soon, so they don't need the money. This is just a pissing match at this point. Apple's intention is total "Thermo-Nuclear-War" annihilation of Android. Things might start to get a bit different now that Steve Jobs is not around...but perhaps it is too soon. Not that I agree with Apple.
I just think patent reform is needed. Competition is good though. In some ways I think Apple has helped HTC. Now HTC has notoriety. Everyone I've recently showed my One X to asks to hold it, and then while holding it they are wowed and act as if they are handling a rare illegal piece of contraband. This HTC One X is now notorious. So even though sales were stopped because of customs I think more people now know what HTC is and that it represents a credible threat to Apple. People will want what they are told that they can't have....human nature.

This is why i got away from apple products not going to support their lawsuits... im tired of hearing this stuff but of course its not going to stop...

Instead of innovating they use wide spread patents to squash competition.
It's not just a problem in the phone industry, patents are way too wide sweeping, long lasting, and powerful these days. Try and remember patent law was created to promote innovation not crush it.

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Everyone I've recently showed my One X to asks to hold it, and then while holding it they are wowed and act as if they are handling a rare illegal piece of contraband.
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I have experienced this too and with my old Samsung Captivate as well. When people see an Android phone they are wowed by it and by the ability to make it what YOU want. When they see an iPhone, it's just another iPhone, there's nothing special anymore, nothing "magical." I used to get excited over iPhone announcements back in the days where I was a poor high school student yearning to have a smartphone. Now, howveer, I find the annoucements boring because really, there's nothing to be excited about anymore.

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fungflex said:
If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
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Apple has no interest in negotiating nor being rational. They are the highest valued company in the world. They have no intention of licensing IP.
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Well, it looks like that's exactly what happened, and HTC refused to license.
"Apple reportedly asked for $5 - $15 per device to settle Android patent dispute" (I'm not 'allowed' to post my source link, but if you google that headline, you should find it on the Dow Jones website. Article is dated May 5th, 2012.)
So HTC just went on their merry way and knowingly infringed on the patent. If they didn't see this coming, then they're idiots.
That said, I LOVE this damn phone! I see why Apple might have a little envy smeared on their faces!

Does anybody know what exactly it is they are claiming infringes on their patent still? I thought this was resolved with the adding of HTC Linkify Dispatcher. I've used the AT&T ROMS and I've seen how annoying this has made the UI compared to the Rogers version, what more do they want?

kilo89 said:
Does anybody know what exactly it is they are claiming infringes on their patent still? I thought this was resolved with the adding of HTC Linkify Dispatcher. I've used the AT&T ROMS and I've seen how annoying this has made the UI compared to the Rogers version, what more do they want?
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Money plain and simple friggin monopoly
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galfert said:
It was the first Mac (or Macintosh back then) not iMac and the year was 1984. It played during the Superbowl. The irony is that 1984 (spelled out) is a book by George Orwell which was published in 1949 that dealt with a society under total government control. Apple's claim during the Macintosh commercial was that they were going to show the world how 1984 (the year) was not going to be like 1984 (the book). Apple has become the antithesis of what it proclaimed back in 1984.
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Thanks for clearing up my ignorance, that's totally what I meant to say, (reference to the book by G.O.), and the point I was trying to make, lol.
I don't totally hate on apple my MacBook pro still best computer I have, and its almost 4yo, and still kicks ass media wise. But this lawsuit thing is just out of control.
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