http://www.talkandroid.com/91827-go...ion-pull-down-bar-still-pending/#.Tz8Ts-ywVz3
Saw this posted over on Droidforums. With everything that Apple has sued over, Google has not had the means to return the favor as it has not done much in the way of patenting things that seem intuitive, or have they? Seems they filed a patent for a notification tab all the way back in '09, just hasn't been approved yet. Looks like iOS 5 may pay for so blatantly ripping off Android after all the whining about things that Android has supposedly "stolen" from Apple. Guess we'll see what comes of this.
Once Motorola merger completes GOOG will be in much better position to protect itself from the nonsense patent lawsuits. Motorola patents would be a deterrent to Apple.
I hope Google rips Apple.
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Once Motorola merger completes GOOG will be in much better position to protect itself from the nonsense patent lawsuits. Motorola patents would be a deterrent to Apple.
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Yup, Motorolla has been making mobile phones/mobile communication since 1928, so you bet they have MANY patents that relate to how a mobile phone works.
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Yup, Motorolla has been making mobile phones/mobile communication since 1928, so you bet they have MANY patents that relate to how a mobile phone works.
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They do but in europe that means they are legally obliged to allow others to use those patents as without them no others could make phones. Its called frand and there must be equivalent rule in usa and other countries.
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They do but in europe that means they are legally obliged to allow others to use those patents as without them no others could make phones. Its called frand and there must be equivalent rule in usa and other countries.
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The patent holder has to agree they are covered by FRAND, normally in order for products to be made and sold, or in order to match the requirement of a standard (ie a consortium agrees a new standard, then manufacturers set out to be the first to make the technology to fit the standard).
For instance if Motorola came up with a new technology that would give 10 days battery life and 1Gbps connection but didn't release that as FRAND, mobile equipment manufacturers (tower makers etc) would find it very difficult to make equipment to use that technology so Motorola can then sell phones that use it.
What happened with the Apple FRAND 3G issue is they didn't bother to make any payments so "stole" the technology. Now they've been caught out and told they must pay, they're objecting to being penalised for stealing, which is why they're trying to put pressure on the patent system to have the rules changed in their favour.
There are plenty of other patents which don't come under FRAND, the push email that Apple have infringed for instance.
I hope google gets his patent and goes to apple "Well we have a core feature of your OS on all your devices patented, we won't use this patent against you and force you to change your whole OS as long as you leave us, and the other handset makers alone"
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The patent holder has to agree they are covered by FRAND, normally in order for products to be made and sold, or in order to match the requirement of a standard (ie a consortium agrees a new standard, then manufacturers set out to be the first to make the technology to fit the standard).
For instance if Motorola came up with a new technology that would give 10 days battery life and 1Gbps connection but didn't release that as FRAND, mobile equipment manufacturers (tower makers etc) would find it very difficult to make equipment to use that technology so Motorola can then sell phones that use it.
What happened with the Apple FRAND 3G issue is they didn't bother to make any payments so "stole" the technology. Now they've been caught out and told they must pay, they're objecting to being penalised for stealing, which is why they're trying to put pressure on the patent system to have the rules changed in their favour.
There are plenty of other patents which don't come under FRAND, the push email that Apple have infringed for instance.
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I was under the impression from the patents blog that certain essential patents have to be licenced as otherwise the patent holder is stifling competition.
Apple did get caught not paying and got away with it by apparently saying they would make a new licence fee offer to motorola. This got the injunction lifted but their new offer was still less than motorola wanted as it was a clever but effective way to lift the iphone ban.
Apples attitude is "we are apple, do what we say or you will be litigated out of existence". And with such deep pockets no one can stop them because the world belongs to the lawyers.
There is no way even a big hundred million dollar company could afford to battle apple because sooner or later it comes down to who can pay their lawyers the longest and that's always going to be the richest company.
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I was under the impression from the patents blog that certain essential patents have to be licenced as otherwise the patent holder is stifling competition.
Apple did get caught not paying and got away with it by apparently saying they would make a new licence fee offer to motorola. This got the injunction lifted but their new offer was still less than motorola wanted as it was a clever but effective way to lift the iphone ban.
Apples attitude is "we are apple, do what we say or you will be litigated out of existence". And with such deep pockets no one can stop them because the world belongs to the lawyers.
There is no way even a big hundred million dollar company could afford to battle apple because sooner or later it comes down to who can pay their lawyers the longest and that's always going to be the richest company.
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Yes in this case the patent is part of the 3G standard, so the 3G consortium agreed on the 3G standard and either tasked them with creating the technology to meet the standard or they were the the first/best of the bunch of companies that tried to make the technology to meet the standard. Had they not agreed to FRAND then another technology method would have been given the status as part of the 3G standard.
Remember the issues with different dial up modem technologies until one was picked as the standard? Oh fun times those were
http://www.bgr.in/manufacturers/app...ttempts-to-dodge-apple’s-slide-unlock-patent/
Another patent article, though what I found interesting is the mentioned-in-passing patent that Google has filed for Voice Recognition unlocking and possibly Face Recognition unlocking. Looks like Apple will have to pay licensing fees in the future or be left in the dust.
I'm hoping Google also beats them to the punch on fingerprint unlocking. Sucks that manufacturers and developers have to patent every damn little thing now though.
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I was under the impression from the patents blog that certain essential patents have to be licenced as otherwise the patent holder is stifling competition.
Apple did get caught not paying and got away with it by apparently saying they would make a new licence fee offer to motorola. This got the injunction lifted but their new offer was still less than motorola wanted as it was a clever but effective way to lift the iphone ban.
Apples attitude is "we are apple, do what we say or you will be litigated out of existence". And with such deep pockets no one can stop them because the world belongs to the lawyers.
There is no way even a big hundred million dollar company could afford to battle apple because sooner or later it comes down to who can pay their lawyers the longest and that's always going to be the richest company.
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Msft used to think they are above the law because of their deep pockets. Time will tell how long Appl will remain the big bully without paying for its crimes.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/16/google-files-patent-app-for-unlocking-devices-says-we-dont-nee/
And a little more
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http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07...eat-google-for-nortel-patents/?ref=technology
Big problems for Android coming?
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It's funny how far off their bid was...
Why would that make a difference? They didn't have the patents before the sale so nothing really changed.
Just so you guys know, this stuff happens all the time. Google was putting in weird bids and one of them was even for the number for pi. 3.14...billion. Theory has it that Google didn't really want the patents but wanted the price driven up some. They've done it before. If i can find the link to the article i'll post it for you but in essence this is no big deal.
I take all of this with a grain of salt. Google is an extremely smart and innovative company. They knew they didn't need to receive those patents, or they could have outbid. I agree, it was more of a process to draw the bid higher, that's all.
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Actually, now that i've read other sources Google does say they were disappointed. Geez they were outbid by a conglomerate of Apple, RIM, Sony, and Microsoft. Yeah, that's fair. Still doesn't seem like a crushing blow according to most articles. Just an inconvenience.
$4.5b for the Nortel patents is overpriced when Google can just buy RIM for $15b.
Means that Android Manufacturers play more royalties per device than people who are part of the consortium or who already have a license. It will affect the race to the bottom, where cheaper Android devices will have a higher Build of Materials costs due to higher licensing costs vs other OS's who have this pegged in.
For OS Vendors, it's a strategic armoury for patent disputes. For Manufacturers its all about the build cost.
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$4.5b for the Nortel patents is overpriced when Google can just buy RIM for $15b.
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I'd like to see Google buy Apple and MS as well as RIM and Sony. That would be a hoot. Google is the only company of them all that has a humanity-driven business model. If Google were ever to fold, I guarantee the world would turn dark.
I have hope Google has tricks up its sleeves to get past this business with Apple. The Nortel stuff I think is inconsequencial. But I hope Google can come out on the top side of this. Google certainly has skillful and genius programmers and devs so I see them coming up with alternatives to any roadblocks brought on by infringed patents or loss of patents.
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Lets wait and watch.
Google wanted Nortel's patents because their own patent portfolio is quite small. When you get sued by companies like Apple and Microsoft, it is VERY GOOD to have a strong patent portfolio. It gives you a position of strength in the license negotiations.
Losing the Nortel's patents may mean that Google has to take patent licenses from folks like Apple and Microsoft.
I saw this in another forum and thought I would also share it here in the Sensation Forum.
Well I'm not a Apple or MS fan, but Apple is throwing all it's punches towards Android it seems. Just shows how much of a impact Android has had on them and will have in the future.
Anyway read this article about the ITC and HTC violating Apples Patents. I hope HTC comes back a wipes the **** out of Apple in the end.
http://allthingsd.com/20110715/itc-rules-htc-violated-two-apple-patents/?refcat=news
And here http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20079905-94/itc-says-htc-violating-two-of-apples-patents/
Apple is just full of crap.
This will blow over, it wont have a huge impact, they wont be able to sue much for damages even if HTC did loose. Android is open source, they will either find a loop hole or just work around it for future releases. No worries here.
That's crap.. The patents are 15 years old. Looks like Android is starting to be a threat to them.
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They are very paranoid of all the Android success...hope HTC wins the appeal!
Google need to take action to protect its eco system.
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I like to see Apple suing more OEMs so they will gang up on Apple and sue back togather in revenge, and if at the end of the day HTC loses and got banned from selling Android devices in the US market, American consumers will probably be stuck with smuggled products.
Patent enforcement is a big and lucrative business. All the major players have a portfolio of patents they use defensively to protect themselves from being sued. This quote sums up HTC's particular position:
HTC is considered the most vulnerable legally of the Android partners because it lacks a robust portfolio of patents that act as a potential shield. Earlier this month, HTC purchased S3 Graphics, largely because of a collection of patents that the ITC administrative law judge recently determined were used illegally by Apple.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20079905-94/itc-says-htc-violating-two-of-apples-patents/
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That's crap.. The patents are 15 years old. Looks like Android is starting to be a threat to them.
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They're that old??
Hmm.....IIRC,international patents last 17 years.
Two years of appeals....
I suspect that in the end,Apple will get theirs.
The sad part is that I don't dislike Apple,they just don't impress me.
It was only judge who ruled in Apple's favor. It's still going to be reviewed by the whole panel of judges. This isn't even close to a "victory" for Apple. Yet.
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Patent enforcement is a big and lucrative business. All the major players have a portfolio of patents they use defensively to protect themselves from being sued. This quote sums up HTC's particular position:
HTC is considered the most vulnerable legally of the Android partners because it lacks a robust portfolio of patents that act as a potential shield. Earlier this month, HTC purchased S3 Graphics, largely because of a collection of patents that the ITC administrative law judge recently determined were used illegally by Apple.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20079905-94/itc-says-htc-violating-two-of-apples-patents/
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Thanks for the link, I added it to the first post as well. It looks like HTC might be buying the patents as defense.
Like others said it is a long way from over.
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Google need to take action to protect its eco system.
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It really sucks they lost out on the Nortel patents. It would have helped a lot. But honestly, this patent trolling has to stop. It's getting ridiculous now.
The only reason why android is getting all these random lawsuits is because its a threat.. Apple never cared before Google bought android. YES android existed before the G1 from Google, Google bought android out and took it to new levels, which we all thank lol.. The big players do this all the time, Apple Vs Microsoft, Apple Vs. Samsung, Apple Vs. Android... Well microsoft owns part of Apple's stocks, and vise-versa, its a way to move money around without being blunt obvious..
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Even if HTC loses, it won't really change anything except their profit margin. They'll end up paying Apple something per handset for use of their intellectual property but won't have to redesign the handsets. But now that they own patents that Apple's theoretically infringing on the whole thing could be a draw anyway.
Apple has resorted to patent trolling hopefully...the appeals court will overturn the ruling
Bloody Apple...why don`t they just create great products instead of suing competitors. Stupid American thinking - if you can`t beat your competitor, sue him.
But no to worry - Google reported that every day there are 550 000 Android devices activated.
I cannot believe that Apple is actually trying to claim that they invented SCROLLING and TOUCH SCREENS. And all this as they're blatantly copying Android's notifications for iOS 5. I hope Google sues the living **** out of them.
This company is the very definition of scum.
I don't like Apple at all
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When your own pool of innovation has run dry, sue the other guy for having a bigger pool
Steve Jobs fostered this sort of thinking by Apple back in the garage days, and although they have found ways over the years to manipulate their groupthink disciples and the non-techie commonman into believing that they have changed, it's never really been any different. Small wonder, since Microsoft and Apple basically created each other, and forged their own business personas together... an endless game of backstabbing between two foul companies, whilst at the same time they attempt to destroy anyone else in the middle.
Companies like Microsoft and Apple make me wish that anti-trust investigations were more centered around *groups* of corporations, rather than simply individual ones. A lot more of the real dirt going on in the tech markets would maybe get scrubbed off of the floor, so to speak
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/motorola-cant-enforce-standard.html
German courts have made a ruling that means if Motorola tries to use its most important patents against Apple in a court case the company will be in violation of European Anti trust law.
As the article says:
"Apple scored a breakthrough court victory today against Motorola. Its important can hardly be overstated. This is so huge that it even begs the question of whether Google's strategy for its $12.5 billion purchase of Motorola Mobility has failed before the deal is even formally closed (they're still waiting for some regulatory approvals)."
It would be nice to see Apple bought down a peg or two but the way things are going its likely to be Google-Motorola (and therefore also Android) that is on the losing side.
After all Motorola cannot use its genuinely essential patents in court now and yet Apple can still use dumb ones like voice search, touch screen, text completion etcetera that although every decent phone nowadays has these features Apple own the patents to and have been able to use in court cases so it seems Apple now have the upper hand.
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Why, yes, Apple, you can patent intuitive actions on your devices all you please; and don't worry about those pesky other companies patenting worthwhile operating features, we'll make them play ball with you. Hahaha, let's go smoke this cigar together and laugh at all the little people.
this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...
Firetribe said:
this is getting hilarious...they all should concentrate on developing new devices instead of sueing each other. I hate Apple for all these lawsuits...
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They can't develop new devices without violating apples patents anymore. When the new phones with android get released after mwc you'll see more lawsuits against those models too.
Apple will win because they have patents that are not subject to frand so don't have to let people use them.
Odd thing is that apples licence offer to motorola, which stopped the injunction on iphones in Germany, is still less than motorola asked for yet judges order them to not sue apple as a result.
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all... I just feel sorry for the time wasted in court, only to slow down the other side, time and money which could be used much better.
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Things got worse for motorola today as apple won court case over the android gallery and they have to change it or all their products running android get banned and recalled.
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First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)
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First of all you have to consider the source of this information to be able to evaluate the spin on this. Florian Mueller is a anti Google/Android pro MS mouthpiece who tends to be clueless.
This is a lifting of the preliminary injunction. The case itself is still pending, but It'll likely to take quite a while to finish up. Granted this isn't good news for Motorola, but it's NOT the end of the road.
Check out Groklaw for a different slant on this and other issues (eg Oracle/Google)
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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Actually he uses android devices as he has a Samsung that was affected by the german court case against them last year and he is actually very knowledgeable.
I follow his work and have not noticed any pro apple bias but the things he states are facts, motorolas cannot sue apple using their patents for the duration of the appeal which is between one to two years so how would any bias change the facts?
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He said "pro MS" and not "pro apple"
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He said anti android as well which if the guy uses android as he does is unlikely.
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Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.
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Sucks for Motorola. I really had hope this would be a big battle for the long lasting.
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I thought that steve jobs was gone, apple would stop these law suits but it seems to be differing
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The patent trolling will never end.
Patent fraud is some really easy money, especially when you've got easy victories guaranteed, like Apple does.
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Yeo, I know it was Apple who started it all...
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Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..
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Motorola sued apple first, which started the ball rolling..
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Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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So ridiculous.
European courts seem to be all over Apple's side.
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Motorola sued after apple didn't pay licencing fees in 2010, something apple still won't pay. Bit different to apple suing because phones can auto complete text for example.
Motorola sued for a good reason but apple do so to stifle competition.
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saw this and i thought i would say that apple originally started all of this by suing google and HTC first
they r trying to hold back developemnet becuz thats all apple has done is steal and try and stop competition
in the long run apple will fall
and ppl only buy apple products cuz they br pretty i buy google products for quality and interfacing
all in all apple products r made for the stupid and wealthy while android/windows r made for ppl that want to improve thru the reason y google is open source
Long live open source!
Apple are thieves.
Buy an Apple product and you support your own demise.
Wake up people!
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Do your own research and decide. His name is mud on Slashdot and Groklaw. Here's one article. found at m.paidcontent.org/article/419-is-patent-expertblogger-florian-mueller-getting-too-cozy-with-microsoft/
Partial quote:
The problem lies not with Mueller’s analysis—but with his impartiality. The engineer is right when he says that Mueller has the knives out for Google. Even a casual reader of the FOSS blog can easily discern that Mueller is quick to amplify any legal setback for Google’s Android or its affiliates. His tone can be crowing and haughty—see the tendentious “Google scores an Own Goal” post about Motorola (NYSE: MMI)—and for all the world echoes Microsoft’s own “they’re getting what they deserve” attitude to Google.
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Well, sadly, in another thread regarding the shipment delays I made the poor mistake of defending Apple and claiming the shipments being held by the ITC was likely a routine screening and not being held up because of Apple.
Turns out, I was wrong. Apple has filed a formal grievance with the US ITC today saying that HTC hasn't actually resolved the software issues and should meet as an emergency and re-enact the ban blocking imports of HTC phones.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10560
This is just more over-aggressive bull**** lawsuits for no reason. HTC is in no position to even directly compete against Apple in the market, and ultimately is doing some of the most unique software and hardware design in the industry.
At what point does this whole mobile lawsuit nonsense come to a boiling point?
Also, as a point of full disclosure, and because I don't really want to ***** about Apple being the worst company on earth, I do own use and love my iPad, Macbook Air, and iMac. I do own an iPhone 4S but as of recently it sits off in a drawer while I use my HOX.
This thread was not started with the intention of people piling in to say how Apple is terrible, or builds ****ty products, but rather have a conversation about the challenges of the mobile industry moving forward. As each company tries to innovate and release compelling products the likelihood of overlapping features and functionality is inevitable. How does the industry encourage innovate without trampling intellectual property rights? (or in other words, **** Software Patents)
Apple is just pissed the one x is better than the iPhone
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This is so ridiculous...
What gets me is how many of these patent disputes are actually FRAND (fair use) issues.
I'm waiting for some judge to put down his iPhone and see things clearly. Patent law is out of control and companies are only using it to maintain a monopoly or remain profitable to their stockholders when their product is actually no longer inovative and has lost market share (see also TiVo)
Apple sees a threat in Android a threat that will screw the company I hate apple but now its the devil to me .
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But this is bs! Why would they do that, apple needs competition, its basic business 101. Does apple think since I can't get a htc one phone imma get me some ios?? Hell no and im sure like me, that's just gonna piss others off and make it a point NOT to buy any apple products.
Maybe a boycott of apple is in order.
Man anyone see the original apple commercial for the first imac from the 70's or whatever? Oh the irony
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They should start focusing on a new iOS or putting something extraordinary in the iPhone 5 instead of law suites. Hop off android. Power users choose android and the rest use iOS their lawsuits won't convert anybody. They're always suing somebody haha. Samsung, HTC, might as well sue Google and the rest of the world.
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This has little to do with rightfully protecting intellectual property, and everything to do with patent trolling and using the law to attack competitors.
Android has gobbled up market share due to the fact that manufacturer are willing to give people variety and choices. Meanwhile, Apple is trying to lock everyone into one device form factor.
This also more represents Apple's failure to innovate, rather than the opposite. The iPhone has hardly changed its looks after 5 iterations. Aside from different backing material, it has looked almost exactly the same. And few internal hardware innovations as well. Aside from moving to a better screen, and a better camera, the hardware has only had incremental improvements (CPU and memory) over its entire lifespan.
The one form factor business model has benefited them in many ways, but we've come to a point where people now want bigger screens on their smartphones. Apple has simply run out of new ideas in the present form factor. Their biggest recent innovation. . . Siri (chuckle). They are stuck and they know it. If they move to a larger iPhone (and also a smaller iPad, or "iPad Mini" as its rumored) they begin to experience some of the OS fragmentation that they have criticized Android for so many times in the past.
I don't mean to complain about Apple so much, or sound like a hater. They make some nice devices, and have contributed some nice interface design to the smartphone world (earlier in the iPhones history). But its clear that they have stopped innovating. Instead of coming up with new ideas, they have chosen to use petty methods of attacking their competitors.
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Man anyone see the original apple commercial for the first imac from the 70's or whatever? Oh the irony
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It was the first Mac (or Macintosh back then) not iMac and the year was 1984. It played during the Superbowl. The irony is that 1984 (spelled out) is a book by George Orwell which was published in 1949 that dealt with a society under total government control. Apple's claim during the Macintosh commercial was that they were going to show the world how 1984 (the year) was not going to be like 1984 (the book). Apple has become the antithesis of what it proclaimed back in 1984.
I really tend to agree. While no one can argue that iOS and the iPhone were amazing innovations, and helped spur the mobile industry as it stands now, iOS has really stagnated on innovate.
There haven't been amazing new features / innovations to the platform in awhile and it seems Apple cares more about others not doing what they have done in the past then focus on what they can do in the future.
I think everyday there are more examples of software design that should be open and licensed rather than closed IP. Things like "pull to refresh" and "pinch to zoom" are functionalities that exist in natural user interface and simple should be able to freely licensed to all software developers.
If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
I just feel like software patents are going to be increasingly difficult to develop and protect and that these major players in the market need to understand there will be functionality overlaps. As such I want to see this bull**** end and cross-licensing begin.
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If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
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That is rational. Apple has no interest in negotiating nor being rational. They are the highest valued company in the world. They have no intention of licensing IP. They have so much cash that they don't know what to do with it and there is no sign of their revenue stream stopping any time soon, so they don't need the money. This is just a pissing match at this point. Apple's intention is total "Thermo-Nuclear-War" annihilation of Android. Things might start to get a bit different now that Steve Jobs is not around...but perhaps it is too soon. Not that I agree with Apple.
I just think patent reform is needed. Competition is good though. In some ways I think Apple has helped HTC. Now HTC has notoriety. Everyone I've recently showed my One X to asks to hold it, and then while holding it they are wowed and act as if they are handling a rare illegal piece of contraband. This HTC One X is now notorious. So even though sales were stopped because of customs I think more people now know what HTC is and that it represents a credible threat to Apple. People will want what they are told that they can't have....human nature.
This is why i got away from apple products not going to support their lawsuits... im tired of hearing this stuff but of course its not going to stop...
Instead of innovating they use wide spread patents to squash competition.
It's not just a problem in the phone industry, patents are way too wide sweeping, long lasting, and powerful these days. Try and remember patent law was created to promote innovation not crush it.
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Everyone I've recently showed my One X to asks to hold it, and then while holding it they are wowed and act as if they are handling a rare illegal piece of contraband.
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I have experienced this too and with my old Samsung Captivate as well. When people see an Android phone they are wowed by it and by the ability to make it what YOU want. When they see an iPhone, it's just another iPhone, there's nothing special anymore, nothing "magical." I used to get excited over iPhone announcements back in the days where I was a poor high school student yearning to have a smartphone. Now, howveer, I find the annoucements boring because really, there's nothing to be excited about anymore.
Apple where we invented the lawsuit
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fungflex said:
If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
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galfert said:
Apple has no interest in negotiating nor being rational. They are the highest valued company in the world. They have no intention of licensing IP.
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Well, it looks like that's exactly what happened, and HTC refused to license.
"Apple reportedly asked for $5 - $15 per device to settle Android patent dispute" (I'm not 'allowed' to post my source link, but if you google that headline, you should find it on the Dow Jones website. Article is dated May 5th, 2012.)
So HTC just went on their merry way and knowingly infringed on the patent. If they didn't see this coming, then they're idiots.
That said, I LOVE this damn phone! I see why Apple might have a little envy smeared on their faces!
Does anybody know what exactly it is they are claiming infringes on their patent still? I thought this was resolved with the adding of HTC Linkify Dispatcher. I've used the AT&T ROMS and I've seen how annoying this has made the UI compared to the Rogers version, what more do they want?
kilo89 said:
Does anybody know what exactly it is they are claiming infringes on their patent still? I thought this was resolved with the adding of HTC Linkify Dispatcher. I've used the AT&T ROMS and I've seen how annoying this has made the UI compared to the Rogers version, what more do they want?
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Money plain and simple friggin monopoly
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galfert said:
It was the first Mac (or Macintosh back then) not iMac and the year was 1984. It played during the Superbowl. The irony is that 1984 (spelled out) is a book by George Orwell which was published in 1949 that dealt with a society under total government control. Apple's claim during the Macintosh commercial was that they were going to show the world how 1984 (the year) was not going to be like 1984 (the book). Apple has become the antithesis of what it proclaimed back in 1984.
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Thanks for clearing up my ignorance, that's totally what I meant to say, (reference to the book by G.O.), and the point I was trying to make, lol.
I don't totally hate on apple my MacBook pro still best computer I have, and its almost 4yo, and still kicks ass media wise. But this lawsuit thing is just out of control.
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Boycott Crapple and encourage others to do the same. Enough already.
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The article is very helpful with all the details in a timeline format.
"The patent litigations we see today in tech industry are classic examples of corporate greed that takes away customer choice and welfare."
Definitely true when courts start banning the sales of devices instead of just ordering the company to pay for it.
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What do you guys think?
I think Apple has pushed this so far that even those who love the Apple ecosystem have gotten tired of it. They are signing their own death warrant by both alienating even their staunch supporters and by stifling the very innovation that has become the hallmark of the mobile tech industry. iOS 5 and 6 literally owe almost every added feature to Android and to a lesser extent WP and R.I.M. It is the excitement of something new that put Apple on top but it is clear that without Jobs at the helm the company has become stagnant and seeks to bleed other companies dry rather than remaining a viable prospect in the marketplace. Tim Cook is clearly not competent for his leadership role if he thinks litigation is a viable long-term solution.
Apple will die soon enough, without Steve they're nothing
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I haven't seen any evidence that most apple users are really bothered by apples anti android tactics. There are still millions longing for the next iphone and saying that apple are great.
Apple won't die off, they still sell incredibly well and have done for the past five years. They are succeeding in most court cases and the only people really bothered are us android users, not people whose views cook and co are bothered about.
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I've actually seen a number of users on various forums who have gone with other devices when they were about to upgrade their Apple wear. Maybe it's just the fact that those who have strong opinions will be more vocal, but if ten people are moved enough to comment, then ten times that many might be on the same train. Even if it's just a pipe dream I would love if this would all finally backfire on Apple the way that it should.
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I've actually seen a number of users on various forums who have gone with other devices when they were about to upgrade their Apple wear. Maybe it's just the fact that those who have strong opinions will be more vocal, but if ten people are moved enough to comment, then ten times that many might be on the same train. Even if it's just a pipe dream I would love if this would all finally backfire on Apple the way that it should.
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I've seen people do the same but they all own android devices too, with apples new patents on everything from touch screens to displaying data on a screen I just can't see them going anywhere but up unfortunately.
They own patents that literally every mobile device can be seen as infringing so they have unlimited court case ammunition if their sales do drop and they need to make more money, they have judges in germany and usa imposing bans on rivals to limit competition and they have enough die hard fans to keep their business doing well even if the rest of the world did stop using their products.
I would love to see apple taught a lesson but the nearest anyone came was a uk judge telling them to apologise to samsung. What happened? Days later apple got an eu ban that overrides uk law.
They have unlimited resources and top lawyers, they also have patents on things every mobile device needs. They can't really lose.
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Well, Samsung just made their newest salvo so we'll see what comes of that. I really does appear that it's going to take a concerted effort from Sammny, Google, maybe a few others to fight this effectively. What amazes me is instances of Nokia and Microsoft supporting Apple in some of its previous complaints.
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/259842/apple_looked_to_sony_for_iphone_design_inspiration.html
One comment on the PC World article:
"By Gibson295
Wed Jul 25 14:33:21 PDT 2012
LAWL......
Trading my iPhone for a Galaxy nexus.
I won't lie, I'ma miss the battery life and the App store to a degree, A Bit (never rly used more then Netflix). But For Flash, and all the other goods, AND SHOWING APPLE HOW FLIPPEN DISPLEASED I AM WITH THEM RIGHT NOW.
Me doing the right thing.
I excited, ya baby."
Might not be a large percentage, but when loyal users move away there's also the influence they have on other buyers. Apple has built itself on perception and between the increased reporting of Jobs' tyrannical leadership and Apple's increasingly public patent mongering I can at least say this won't do anything to grow Apple's marketshare.
Apple will die gradually..so they are frustrated. Sony & Samsung will rule the world.
Who cares. Apply are dying... No one will even remember then in 5 years time.
Sadly, there are a lot of apple fan-boys who will buy their products for the sake of the brand. Sad but true. But at least this showed that other companies have at least a fighting chance legally with the absurd limitations apple tries to impose on them. When i hard brick my phone i'm gonna slap an iphone sticker on it and sell to those apple die-hards for $$$
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Odds are Apple won't die. Even IBM survived it's almost devised. That said, if they continue in the same way there relevance in the market is is in for a rather sizeable shift.
Like Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
That's what's gonna happen. Apple and Samsung are going to irreparable damage to each other.
LarsFromMars said:
Like Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
That's what's gonna happen. Apple and Samsung are going to irreparable damage to each other.
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Lol....you mean Gandhi, dont you?
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all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
rickywinataa said:
all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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Apple is really scared,they didn't see this coming.
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pee41 said:
Apple is really scared,they didn't see this coming.
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Apple are scared?
Apple are the ones who own the patents that are making their rivals lose in courts around the world, what are they scared of?
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rickywinataa said:
all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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and they win this ridiculous case ........
this is getting boring apple just need to lay off they know there beaten-talk of sore losers.