I know that most of you guys are aware that ACTA is similar to the whole SOPA and PIPA thing,and I know that there are a number of threads already on XDA about,but this is kinda different.See,first of all,SOPA wasn't some secret agreement,everybody in the USA(well,everybody not living under a rock) knew about it and its consequences.ACTA is kept secret,and,especially here in Greece,we've learned to NOT trust politicians after they pretty much ravaged our rights in property and in living with dignity.We saw our salaries drop to nearly zip,we saw banks take our homes,we saw our brethren living in the streets because these total a$$es that rule our world decided to do so.
However,until now,we at least had the freedom to write about it,to share our opinions,to express ourselves.We were,at least as far as the internet goes,free.This liberty is ours people.It's yours,it's mine.It's not their's.
We can all agree that this is not about politicians suddenly deciding to start internet censorship,nor is it about them caring to protect any copyrighted material just because it's right to be protected.It's copyright holders who try to enforce it upon us.It's them,these guys that are perfectly willing to kill us just to add 10 more € to their billions-worth-of piles of cash.
So,starting from the last point I made.That is what will hurt them-hurting their wallets.Yeah,protests and blackouts against SOPA and PIPA were all good and stuff,but it was only the beginning.Protesting is not enough.They don't care about our freedoms or something.It may have worked in the US,but do you expect the guys who don't respect the lives of the millions of European tax payers to respect your freedom of speech on the internet or anything?The answer is clear,and it is NO,they won't.More drastic measures have to be taken.Examples include:
-Not buying any copyrighted material,including music CDs,DVDs etc.
-Not going to places like the cinema,where copyrighted material is shown.
-Not spending any money online for copyrighted material.
And many others like these.We,for once,have to react as consumers,as the people without the money of who they are nothing.We have the power-we just have to use it.And,for Christ's sake,we have to react as free people.Nowadays we tend to forget that we are indeed free people.Or at least we are supposed to be.
I'm not stating that what I have to say is absolutely right,as I'm very biased towards blaming these guys for anything.But I really want to hope that many other people share my opinion.
Mods,I know that there are already threads about it,but please,for once,let us be heard.We are about 4.5 million people in here.We have to be heard.I'm not talking about myself,I'm only 1/4500000 of this community.But guys like the news writer team,the guys at XDA TV(Azrienoch is the best at rants) and people well connected in the world outside XDA can really make a much bigger difference than I can.
So guys,put your wallets and credit cards inside your pockets,don't give your money to these guys.Start sharing this stuff.Facebook,Twitter,YouTube,you name it.Tell your friends,kids,parents,neighbours,bosses,co-workers.Start bothering your government.DO SOMETHING!ALL OF YOU!
I think we all deserve a free tomorrow,with all the rights our ancestors spilled their blood for.
So,no one cares?I'm surprised,seeing as we'll be among the first to be targeted...
Ish da illuminati! Rome for religion, USA for power and England for money! Omg!
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Ish da illuminati! Rome for religion, USA for power and England for money! Omg!
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Ermmm...What?
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http://www.tmonews.com/2011/11/occupy-protesters-and-communication-workers-to-march-on-new-york-t-mobile-store/
HA ha. Maybe they should spend their time working on their resume. The useful idiots of the socialist movement lead around by their noses by ACORN now want to protest T-Mobile. Silly socialists. Life is not easy. Try a little harder.
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Of all the wireless companies, OWS decided to go after T-Mobile? And why? "Anti-worker union busting". I know three people who work at T-Mobile call centers and LOVE it there. The pay is great they all said. They got 6 months of training and they got paid while they were in training. T-Mobile is almost always hiring where I am.
T-Mobile is the best as far as I'm concerned in customer service. They even have an iPhone support group and T-Mobile doesn't even sell iPhones nor can they. I could send all of the people who have never used a cell phone before to a T-Mobile store and recommend any phone and the clerk would go out of his or her way to make sure that the referred person knows how to use the phone.
T-Mobile has some of the lowest subscription prices for US consumers on the market. I see no reason for union workers or employees to demand higher wages and benefits. If they do and get they what they want, they will most likely cause an increase in price or a downgrade of service to the consumer. T-Mobile owes Deutsche Telekom a lot of money as it is right now. I don't think there is any way T-Mobile could maintain the great pricing and give in to unions. If the unions succeed, the cost will be paid for by the customer, like it always is with every situation like this. The consumer loses.
I also must add that AT&T and Verizon are both unionized. Look at their customer service. Look at their pricing. Neither company even offers an unlimited data plan. I've dealt with both before, it's not pretty.
You know what other company offers an unlimited data plan and is only a little bit behind T-Mobile in pricing? It's Sprint Mobile. Are they unionized? No.
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HA ha. Maybe they should spend their time working on their resume. The useful idiots of the socialist movement lead around by their noses by ACORN now want to protest T-Mobile. Silly socialists. Life is not easy. Try a little harder.
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No sure what your feelings about these protesters has to do with what we do here. Can we get this thread close or deleted?
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No sure what your feelings about these protestors has to do with what we do here. Can we get this thread close or deleted?
[Tmonews - a stooge for T-Mobile. A gutter rat snake in T-Mobiles pocket.]
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ut oh..you just got the twinkle fingers lol
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No sure what your feelings about these protestors has to do with what we do here. Can we get this thread close or deleted?
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Well my opinion is not that important. The protest is relevant because they have made a decision to target my cell phone company. Are you the new thread police? Don't like the topic, don't post.
The "protesters" have damaged many small private business by their "activities". I hope they at least have the good sense make sure it is not a franchise store, but I doubt it. They do not appear particularly bright.
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Of all the wireless companies, OWS decided to go after T-Mobile? And why? "Anti-worker union busting".
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Because the occupation's army is comprised of Anarchist first, and socialists 2nd. A big hint is no clear agenda other than promotion of chaos. These are serious anarchists, the European Anarchists. And T-Mobile parent company is where? Deutsche Telekom.
If it was an American based uprising it would be against ATT as it trys to eat the little guy. I wish I had a trust fund big enough to be part of OWS
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Well my opinion is not that important. The protest is relevant because they have made a decision to target my cell phone company. Are you the new thread police? Don't like the topic, don't post.
The "protesters" have damaged many small private business by their "activities". I hope they at least have the good sense make sure it is not a franchise store, but I doubt it. They do not appear particularly bright.
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It is a franchise store. I work 4 blocks from it. Pay my bills there.
Let me get this straight. Your small business in KC is being harmed by a bunch of kids in Manhattan.
No I'm not the new thread police. Just didn't think this was the place to preach political views. But since you started it.
I think anyone who speaks against this protest is a traitor to the Constitution. Protesting is a RIGHT we have in the United States. If you have a problem with people practicing their rights as Americans maybe you should try a communist country. I hear the food is good.
And Fox News is not news. That stuff will rot your brains.
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No sure what your feelings about these protestors has to do with what we do here. Can we get this thread close or deleted?
[Tmonews - a stooge for T-Mobile. A gutter rat snake in T-Mobiles pocket.]
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Instead of trying to get a thread closed by complaining to those reading the thread, why not just send the moderators a note and see if trying to stifle conversation works out for you.
Your opinion of TMOnews is very important, others talking about a flash mob communication to take over our phone's network offices....that is not worthy....according to who?
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Instead of trying to get a thread closed by complaining to those reading the thread, why not just send the moderators a note and see if trying to stifle conversation works out for you.
Your opinion of TMOnews is very important, others talking about a flash mob communication to take over our phone's network offices....that is not worthy....according to who?
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..take over our phone networks offices? Flash mob? You're right. I shouldn't try to hinder conversation. We have a right to free speech also and If I'm gonna back the right to protest, I have to back the right to peoples opinions on a given subject.
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While I'll back the right to protest to my dying breath, these kids have been taken over by who knows who. Wanna protest over jobs being sent overseas? Fine. Wanna protest over the price of education? Fine. Wanna protest police brutality? I'm with ya.
But there are about 6 employees at a T-Mobile store who will soon look out the window and wonder what the **** is going on.
Protest until you can't protest anymore. Just stick to the subject. Whatever the subject maybe.
[Anarchist - Don't you think you went overboard with that definition of the protesters?]
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I think anyone who speaks against this protest is a traitor to the Constitution. Protesting is a RIGHT we have in the United States. If you have a problem with people practicing their rights as Americans maybe you should try a communist country. I hear the food is good.
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So you support and don't speak out against any protest, because protesters have the right to do so. Under your logic, anyone speaking against a KKK rally is a traitor because the KKK has a right as American to protest.
You see dkb218, content does make a difference. If people have the right to speak out and demonstrate, anyone with common sense, (yourself seemingly absent) should understand that others have the right to speak against the concepts being promoted.
The anarchists who call themselves the occupation army, or OWS, don't have any demands. Goobers like yourself think that they need to be nurtured and supported no matter anything. I am sure you think that Chris Matthew's the speech writer for Jimmy Carter, and chief of staff to the Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill is just a non-biased journalist too.
These idiots are about to mob rush some clerks selling phones, and you support that. I don't mind that you are a lemming, just don't involve others in your insight of the need to run towards the cliff.
The right to say something is NOT the right to not being criticized and mocked for being a twit.
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So you support and don't speak out against any protest, because protesters have the right to do so. Under your logic, anyone speaking against a KKK rally is a traitor because the KKK has a right as American to protest.
You see dkb218, content does make a difference. If people have the right to speak out and demonstrate, anyone with common sense, (yourself seemingly absent) should understand that others have the right to speak against the concepts being promoted.
The anarchists who call themselves the occupation army, or OWS, don't have any demands. Goobers like yourself think that they need to be nurtured and supported no matter anything. I am sure you think that Chris Matthew's the speech writer for Jimmy Carter, and chief of staff to the Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill is just a non-biased journalist too.
These idiots are about to mob rush some clerks selling phones, and you support that. I don't mind that you are a lemming, just don't involve others in your insight of the need to run towards the cliff.
The right to say something is NOT the right to not being criticized and mocked for being a twit.
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Point taken. I stand corrected.
I feel a Rodney King statement coming on
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I smell a liberal.
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It always ends bad, so I'm closing this now before it starts going downhill.
moving to canada as soon as i get the money and gas money.
http://www.yousaytoo.com/congressio...-the-bill-allowed/1434936#.Tsl5xNcWPKM.tumblr
SCREW THIS GOVERNMENT.
All they're accomplishing by doing this is stirring even more public distrust and hatred towards the government.
You Americans always...You think your government are downright assholes?Come to Greece!The place where idiocy is considered a fundamental "trait" if someone wants to lead the country.
I'm so depressed now...
With the current nutjobs in the majority in the House I am not suprised. All they are about is tax cuts for the rich and de-regulate all big corporations and banks so they can rob us and poison us at the same time. It is just creeping fascism, but maybe the "creeping" is actually "running" now days. Couple that with the Roberts SCOTUS that says that corporations are people and money is speech (Citizen's united) and are allowed to buy elections, we are screwed.
Since the elite have already bought off the corporate "news" media, now they want the last bastion of free speech, the "internets".
This is really a secret conspiracy hatched by the VPN providers to force everyone to use their services or risk being thrown in jail.
Actually its Hollywood. The same people who tried to sue back in the 90's to ban mp3 players.
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The thing is also Google does have lobbyists in congress and Google is against it. Sony is too, and Microsoft Telecom hate it too
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The thing is also Google does have lobbyists in congress and Google is against it. Sony is too, and Microsoft Telecom hate it too
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As big as Hollywood companies are, Google, Sony, and Microsoft are a LOT bigger.
This bill won't pass, not with companies like this trying to stop it, because we all know who can pay the government more.
Wow , such corruption and bribery can never be tolerated in Singapore
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funny thing is even Google and other big online guys are against this SOPA bill
In another post, Tepp said that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce "will always stand" on the "side of American businesses"--an odd statement given that the list of businesses opposed to SOPA includes eBay, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, AOL, Zynga, and many other technology companies. (See CNET's FAQ and our previous coverage of security concerns.)
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well... ****. Am I the only one who saw internet censorship coming?
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**** like this makes me want to just throw away technology and move to a mountanous area in some third world country.
here's the link to sign the petition against this bs: http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/sopa_testimony/?akid=1018.606560.JTkqV4&rd=1&t=2
share it on facebook, twitter etc.. make your voices heard
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You Americans always...You think your government are downright assholes?Come to Greece!The place where idiocy is considered a fundamental "trait" if someone wants to lead the country.
I'm so depressed now...
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Ahhh. greece.. it just as nice as i thought it would be.
I was lmfao when i saw this bill. This bill is going to drop harder than anything. Piracy actually helps sales. One friend pirates movie oh i saw that movie etc you should see it to.
If it does pass piracy is going to be hitting harder than it was before. Movies will be pirated while the scene is actually taking place. Behind the scenes all the time.
Sad thing is that these companies are legally allowed to bribe our elected officials through a process called lobbying.
Lobbying should be illegal.
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Sad thing is that these companies are legally allowed to bribe our elected officials through a process called lobbying.
Lobbying should be illegal.
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The problem is that the same people who could make lobbying illegal are the politicians getting the money! They are enjoying their payoffs way too much to make a law against getting free money from lobbyists
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The problem is that the same people who could make lobbying illegal are the politicians getting the money! They are enjoying their payoffs way too much to make a law against getting free money from lobbyists
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It's a vicious cycle...
Too bad we can't really do anything about it.. Who doesn't want free money?
I wonder why "big pharma" would be against it. Canadian online drugstores making that big a dent in their profits or are they afraid of the free exchange of homeopathic remedies or is it (most likely) that the internet makes it easier for people who have suffered severe side effects from their overpriced medicines to find each other and start class action suits?
You can fight this and many other horrible bills that our bought congress creates at demandprogress.org. They organize many petitions against these bills.
It is very important that everyone Has a chance to know about this bill. Because this Bill will most likely Greatly impact this website due to Modification of software, it is important that this bill is stopped. Please read the article Posted in this link.
http://www.xda-developers.com/annou...8th-at-8am-you-can-help-bring-us-back-online/
What the hell this is bull****.
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Just gonna say. People can protest all they want but Congress is pretty much hell bent on getting it passed. The only solution I see is that when it is passed and most sites are blocked, people will be in outrage because they have all been in the dark about SOPA. Riots will ensue untill the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional on the basis that it restricts peoples freedoms on the internet.
Whatever the case is, it will be gone in the future.
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R u really damn serious
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R u really damn serious
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Clarify your question please?
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Perfectly legal **** we're doing here. Developers aren't modificating software to steal money or sell anything, plus these sources are given to us....... We are just brains of this action...... We want better things that we just can't have, I mean what the ****. Torrents are illegal but yet they rather waste their time with XDA.
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The White House is against it isn't it?
The house and the senate are not f**kin around. From what i have read and seen on the news, this is some serious ****.
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Quite frankly, this bill should never be passed. I can understand wanting to protect artist's rights, but this is pushing it far beyond constitutional boundaries. Even if it is repealed though, I'm sure they won't hesitate to try again with a lighter variant, which would've otherwise been repealed..
You guys all know this will have far reaching consequences other than a few torrent sites going down right?
If this passes Youtube will cease to exist as you know it. It will be much too much work for them to filter new uploaded videos to make sure there is not any music clips, company logos, or other references that someone can close them down for. After awhile it will be too costly and too much work to maintain and police so Youtube may just go away forever.
Any site can be shut down for anything that someone thinks might have something on it related to a copyright of any kind. Someone could be sued for drawing a picture of the USS Enterprise and putting it on their site even. That is considered a copyright and illegal if the bill is passed.
You are guilty until proven innocent. Do you have the money for the lawyers to prove your innocence? Or is it easier to just shut your site down and not take the chance? If someone just doesn't like you they can claim you have copyrighted material and you will be shut down. If they find nothing then you can go back up but will it be worth the constant hassle?
On a forum such as this if someone has a picture as their avatar, or in their sig that someone somewhere has some rights to, the site can be shut down. It will make things a big chore to keep up with.
Make no mistake, this draconian bill will destroy the internet as you know it, and will effect much more than pirate sites.
In the US of A today what big corporations want, big corporations get. They own most of the law makers in Washington of both parties. Ever since the Citizens United ruling by the 5 right-wing corporatist justices that say "corporations are people and money is speech" politicians are beholden to corporate interests. If you as a politician go against the corporate powers that be , they will flood your opponent with advertizing cash to defeat you in the next election. This has already happened since the ruling. All this does is make any politician that wants to keep his job genuflect at the knees of corporate America. In this case the music and movie industry among others are driving this bill.
This is a BIG deal folks, even if you never will partcipate in any piracy of any kind.
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The White House is against it isn't it?
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It seems so if you look around, I found this statement:
"Is the SOPA bill dead? In the wake of criticisms released by the Obama administration Saturday, many observers predict the Stop Online Privacy Act and its sister act, the Protect IP Act (or PIPA), are dead on arrival."
But that doesn't meant we can relax. Corporate America is ruthless when it comes to getting what they want (which is why we give billions of dollars in corporate welfare to super rich Exxon just so they can rip us off). We need to keep up the pressure.
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Just gonna say. People can protest all they want but Congress is pretty much hell bent on getting it passed. ... Riots will ensue untill the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional on the basis that it restricts peoples freedoms on the internet.
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The Supreme court? That is a laugh. Not THIS Supreme court. The Roberts Supreme court LOVES corporate fascist stuff like this (see:Citizen's United).
Oh and here is something that passed while all Americans were distracted by the new year. (Link below) I'm farelly certain that if things get out of hand, with the Sopa bill, Obama will use his new found power.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...jan/02/ndaa-historic-assault-american-liberty
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I heard that Obama eats babies too.!!!!!
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I heard that Obama eats babies too.!!!!!
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With a spork!!
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With a spork!!
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While gettin a bubble bath from George Dubya Bush
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2012_01/putting_sopa_on_a_shelf034765.php
its been shelved
Face facts, our government already controls the media, filling people's heads full of the crap they want us to believe. They eventually will control everything and call it Homeland Security. They keep inventing new "evil ones" to keep us living in fear of "terror".
Read, read some more, use common sense and figure out what's going on. Our governments want us to be mindless, overweight, thoughtless zombies
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Face facts, our government already controls the media, filling people's heads full of the crap they want us to believe. They eventually will control everything and call it Homeland Security. They keep inventing new "evil ones" to keep us living in fear of "terror".
Read, read some more, use common sense and figure out what's going on. Our governments want us to be mindless, overweight, thoughtless zombies
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+1 I agree so much I have been considering moving to Canada for a couple months now
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CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVEs
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well it looks like that black out did quite a bit of damage. hahaha anyone else see "WTF WIKI?" tweets?
In an exciting turn of events, it turns out that Lamar Smith, the man behind SOPA, has actually used copyrighted material for his personal website without credit. And not just once, either.
Ok, so Megaupload has been seized by the Feds, and now other file sharing sites are withdrawing access, how is this going to affect Custom Rom Development?
SOPA is dead and nothing to do with Megaupload being shuttered. Fewer file sharing sites might mean developers having to look for alternative hosts for their ROMs, but it won't affect development.
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SOPA is dead and nothing to do with Megaupload being shuttered. Fewer file sharing sites might mean developers having to look for alternative hosts for their ROMs, but it won't affect development.
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SOPA was only an initiative by the US Senate. Other countries around the world have their own versions of anti-piracy laws that could in the future make development illegal. Also, SOPA is not dead it is only being delayed, it will rear its ugly head around sooner or later unless the members of Senate involved in this are voted out in the US 2012 election.
I have noticed that many links from Multiupload are now dead, as in there are other sites that have stopped people being able to share the files they've uploaded. I think the loss of MegaUpload will be an inconvenience, but nothing more - there are plenty of other options out there for hosting ROMs, APKs, etc.
Life itself doesn't like void - when something needed/useful disappears, new thing appears somwhere else.
I think you don't have to worry
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Open source licenses like the GPL allow freedom to share and modify software, they're not about protecting copyright and will not be affected by SOPA-like anti-piracy laws.
Also, SOPA is not dead it is only being delayed, it will rear its ugly head around sooner or later unless the members of Senate involved in this are voted out in the US 2012 election.
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That's doubtful now. The debate has boiled down to Silicon Valley versus Hollywood, and ultimately Silicon Valley weilds more power and is more attractive to politicians, especially to Republicans thanks to the perceived liberal Hollywood bias.
I think everything will be fine.
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I doubt it.
Although Megaupload is down for good and other hosters like Filesonic, Wupload and many more have stopped their services, there are still several functioning filehosters such as Rapidshare and Mediafire.
Yea exactly plus i prefer mediafire
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SOPA was only an initiative by the US Senate. Other countries around the world have their own versions of anti-piracy laws that could in the future make development illegal. Also, SOPA is not dead it is only being delayed, it will rear its ugly head around sooner or later unless the members of Senate involved in this are voted out in the US 2012 election.
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VOTE any politician that supports this SOPA/PIPA iniyiatives out in 2012.I'm so sick and tired of all this big government,big brother crap.They are coming after everything now from sports nutrition supplements to light bulbs to the internet. This madness got to stop!
Vote Everybody out and give a bunch of new people the chance to mess things up. Congress needs some house cleaning anyways.
Well if we could do away with congress altogether it would be fantabulous,But in all seriousness if the people don't rise up and make their voice heard this abuse of power will continue.
Think about it the government is regulating almost every aspect of our lives,and more and more regulations are issued almost every day.It wont be long before they will control how and when we use the internet.
The owner of megaupload I heard is facing 50 years while murders and rapist get 15 to 20 what a [email protected] joke. So who do I need to vote for or against to get the people out of the office that are pushing the SOPA idea
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The owner of megaupload I heard is facing 50 years while murders and rapist get 15 to 20 what a [email protected] joke. So who do I need to vote for or against to get the people out of the office that are pushing the SOPA idea
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Well it's hard to say for sure,but basically the more liberal/left leaning the politician,the more likely he/she is to push for bigger,more intrusive government and more regulations.(Exmp. the so-called fairness doctrine)
Usually libertarians and small government conservatives are for less government intrusion and more individual liberty.You just have to listen to what they say and also examin their record on similar issues.
Here is a neat little site that shows who is for/against SOPA/PIPA type laws.
http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/
Look for your member of congress there and VOTE accordingly.
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So today I was greeted with a simple PM that quickly escalated to nonsense for no reason. I am putting it here because I wan't to hear the community's thoughts on this. I have erased the user's name and other information to avoid any humiliation. Please keep your discussion specific and don't flame. Blue color for my conversation and green color for the other party.
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Hello, just love your Berry Black Keyboard Theme!
would like to download it, it's posted as free on xda - clicking on link you've provided - and it appears to be paid. maybe some kind of mistake.
can you please be so kind sharing?
and do you have webmoney accound so i can donate? we don't have / can't pay through paypal in ukraine.
thank you.
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It's not for free sorry. I made a mistake in the thread, I have updated it now.
You can buy from slideme app store they allow world wide users to buy apps easily.
Berry white and ICS Froyo are the two free keyboards.
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LOL first developer not sharing 1$ eight png images to the other person kindly asking. even if he asked by mistake and willing to donate for the app he thought was free.
checked slideme - same thing with my country, anyway the deal is not about the money.
maybe i think so because i do some serious stuff in real life.
but i will never understand how 1$ and some png images can beat kind words.
wish you all the best - so your life changes the way 1 bucks won't be such an issue.
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Thats the whole point my friend. A bunch of images and random colors organized in a nice fashion is what makes it worth something. Just like mining gold. Have you ever asked the question why there is no berry black keyboard theme in the market in the first place ? Theres literally thousands of free keyboard theme apps and not one black berry styled keyboard ? Why ?
And as for sharing a $1 app, I've had users email me and they were kind enough to do a video for it as well. You are like the 100th person to ask me for free. If I gave all the other 100 people the theme for free then whats in it for me ? Like seriously ? In normal case scenario if a person has a life and other things to do why would he make and then do all the extra overhead work of creating icons and market listing and upload it and then give it out for free ? I would have given you the app anyways after you checked and told me what happened with slideme but like others you too had no patience and had to add your own smart comments.
Your right It's not about money, I give out free apps every week. People like you need to realize that $1 not because its worth $1 but because it will not sell at higher prices. It takes about 15 hours to finish a keyboard theme from start to finish and testing it on all resolutions. So if my rate of earning were to be even $10 per hour then its 10x15=$150. Which means until I sell 150 keyboard themes I have not earned enough. And then comes the 100+ people who want it for free. This is why developers quit in the middle of working on kernels and roms here in xda because when people want something they will make noise but not work on it themselves. When someone does it for them they got even more complains.
Unlike other designers here on xda I fight for designers. I don't care about your $1.
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are all these people live somewhere where electronic money transactions are REALLY hard. ebay doesn't even accept transactions for random goods to anyone in ex-ussr. didn't know that, sure?
were all these people thinking it was free and willing to donate even more than you want for it (i didn't even notice it was 1$ until i started with slideme) but with webmoney which we have exchange for?
that's not a reason for you, you're thinking of other 100 free askers and all that pity math. you concerned about money more than you try to imply, believe me it's well seen.
now as for stuff you call desiiiign - a simple recent example of an app everyone uses WhatsApp modded
price was the same as you 8 png images but this person did MUCH more work, including photoshop, smali editing compiling etc etc etc. 15 hours for your skin? than how much for testing and drawing the whole app? it'll take a year with that productivity.
and concerning the marketing question, believe me, a lot more users would download themed whatsapp with extra features not implemented by developer itself, rather than one of thousand keyboard skins.
guess what, he is giving it out for free when it was paid and than made it donate version. yes he can sell thousand of copies of this skin but he doesn't.
he earns money for his work but he is not shaking for every bucks when situation doesn't worth it and stay a real man. you live not far from russia, hope you understand the meaning of being a man in our meaning. there are things men can not afford because they're too cheap for them. not literally of course.
and the xda full of those examples.
free apps, kernels, roms, mods! years of man work for free. all this stuff needs much more knowledge and work than those 8 images you call design. and all this app can be successfully sold! but they're not. how do you think why? as for berry keyboard and first places - there's just nothing special about it no one looks for it and no one downloads it that's why it's not on a first place LOL.
donations and earning money for any work is good.
but being such a principle person in such a simple situation - trading for such a mediocre work makes me smile.
believe me, if you were such a principle person with EVERYTHING in your life you won't think about 100xxxwhatever persons 150xxxwhatever dollars and all that funny numbers. so you're not that sharp. and you're telling me you don't care about 1$. that's a funny stuff showing me i was right from the beginning.
and for the keyboard we were talking about - already got that
Order date: March 4, 2012 11:47:50 AM PST
Berry Black Keyboard
CA$1.00
Total:
CA$1.00
- doesn't look as good as it was on a screenshot - won't use it, deserves a refund in my opinion, but i won't, just because i prefer to be principle in real life with some really worthy stuff and can afford a bunch of so-called "Designer_Stuff organized in nice fashion".
just to support person who says he doesn't care for 1$ and stands for designers, but writes a huge explanation with examples from 1$ math and doesn't have anything we call design on his deviantart. keep believing LOL
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So first you message me that you love the theme and you want it for free because you cannot buy it. Next you buy from market somehow and now your complaining. I just proved my point. Your purchase has been refunded. I did not come knocking on your door you came to me trying to be cheap. You can say what you want about my deviantart I dont really care, I do things my way. You wrote an entire essay complaining maybe you could have used that time to design your own keyboard that will satisfy your needs.
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you're funny little person.
i was trying to donate for free app. remember/no? how's your memory today?
needed to ask another person to download it for me, than send money to him through webmoney... a lot of actions to do. taken about an hour, ain't it too much for a couple of images?
that's why i asked it for free first.
but such a looser like you would better believe someone tried to cheat him for 1$. greedy piece of LOL can see nothing but money. you thought someone would even bother to write a message not to pay 1$? are you that retard to not understand how small that amount is for anybody in this world?
i buy "designers" with such "creativity" and way of thinking you just clearly demonstrated for a couple of hundreds per dosen. believe me i didn't mean to steal you dollar. LOOOOOOOOOL
you've made a refund? funny enough i've noticed your apk on some other forum. so doesn't really matter. if i'd find this leaked version earlier i wouldn't meet a man that don't deserve being a man. greedy pays twice, or loosing a lot of potential buyers one way or another.
first impression is the right one. cheap stuff smells in a special way and shows itself in everything related to a person.
now get lost, tired of your pathetic mind.
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I told you before you would have got your theme for free but you had to be sarcastic from start thats why you didnt get it. If you were nice you could have avoided everything but you chose this course of action. As for the apk in another forum you just proved that you wanted to pirate it in the first place, thats why you were still looking for it in the other forums. You thought it would be nice if you could ask me directly for it so you dont feel guilty. I get many people like you every day and this is not support. I don't need nagging people like you to support me when I have the support of my designer friends in deviantart. They see something in me and you don't, go figure why. All the kernels and roms and free stuff I use from xda I have personally offered all those devs my apps for free. Some agreed others said they will buy it from the market. I don't need to explain anything to you but I'm being nice and explaining to you so your narrow one sided mind can understand that it was you who messed it up. Your the pathetic one with zero patience.
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i didnt need your theme for free clown! i needed it with less possible actions to download. see the difference?
it would be nice to ask not to feel guilty? for what? i'd use it if i like it and so what? it wouldnt work if i dont buy it? why spending time sending message waiting for answer. why talk to some clerk thinking he is a designer?
are you retard tell me? or you think sun walks around you? that's getting funniest conversation ever. you live in interesting world where you believe in some idiotic stuff you wanna believe and proving it further. that youre designer, that someone will talk to you for 1$ hahaha too much for your pity self. telling you once again - no one writes message for 1$ believe me.
you don't need to explain? you were just offered to get lost but you still here smelling in my PM. why? because im right. zero are you and you can do nothing with it. you are angry because you understand that people see how pathetic everything you do and wanna call design. its worth 1$ nothing more you're right.
youre offering apps for free to devs stuff you use? how about others? or you're only a tradewhore offering 8 images for whole kernel rom etc?. think its equal? how convinient. its like nothing to 1$ even less, we are talking about.
do you understand how low are you telling this stuff as an argument. and who uses your great skins in their roms? never seen it anywhere even for free.
get lost you're plankton, prooved in three variations.
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Moral of the story, no more PM's for me. No one is pointing a gun at your head and making you buy my apps.
Don't respond to the trolls, especially when they can't write in proper English.
Agreed, don't feed the trolls. They never are grateful for it.
Now I know what a troll is...
retareq said:
Now I know what a troll is...
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essentially if it is something that makes you angry or makes you want to write a long message in reply to explain yourself and rant about it, delete it.
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essentially if it is something that makes you angry or makes you want to write a long message in reply to explain yourself and rant about it, delete it.
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Good advice. Its in effect right now.
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Don't respond to the trolls, especially when they can't write in proper English.
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Wow that was serious stuff. And his English its understandable. People are crazy nowadays
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Don't let idiots get you down buddy. I'm sure this made you very upset - I myself would have been livid. But fortunately people like this don't make their opinion valid in too many ways that come across as reasonable or pointed. Them trolls are insignificant in the long run - you know how hard you work on your many projects and what they're worth, as does anyone else with half a brain
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Don't let idiots get you down buddy. I'm sure this made you very upset - I myself would have been livid. But fortunately people like this don't make their opinion valid in too many ways that come across as reasonable or pointed. Them trolls are insignificant in the long run - you know how hard you work on your many projects and what they're worth, as does anyone else with half a brain
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Surprisingly I am not upset or livid. I was at first but I took this opportunity to train myself to be nice in stressful situations. I think I did well
Name & shame! Obviously wanted app for free, that's why they kept the focus on not wanting to pay "1$" and making personal insults.
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And this is why I just assume everyone who's not American is a Terrorist. And I do not negotiate with Terrorists.
we don't have / can't pay through paypal in ukraine.
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lol
What a flapwit.
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It's 2012 the sob story of any problem is now an alarm bell..... Especially when based on any value of of real $..
I lost my mind and faith in humanity in my last few sales jobs... Apparently too honest to survive... People would blatantly lie to me in the dumbest ways thinking it would save them a penny...
When will people learn that only your mom thinks your the best or smartest...
And to the people who believe that you could out canive everyone on survivor, is the reason why north america is about to fall under its own incapability to be efficient... all this weaseling is making it impossible to do anything right the first time.... Integrity is dead..
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Sadly for him, you don't owe him anything. You are free to sell your work for any amount of money. You are free to be a slow designer and take plenty of time to do work that would apparently take shorter. It's not your fault he cannot buy your work. It's not your fault the economy is what it is. It's not your fault you're part of a bigger machine, as one of the billion cogwheels that actually needs to work to be able to afford their food and other items. Or just to buy your second multi million dollars yacht. None of anyone's business.
He never had the intention to buy in the first place, otherwise he would just have done so. He did it later on only to prove his point rather than to acknowledge of your work. If you were treated as his equal, he would have had no qualms about putting as much work as you did to buy it. Instead, he started diminishing your work, insulting your efficiency and your talent.
If you were to deliver software for free, then it would be because you wanted to. You're not instantly a better person because you give your work for free, and if someone does this to get a good reputation, then I believe you're not doing it for the good reason. I've gave work for free before. Plenty of time was spent with no remuneration other than a thank you and a smile and I've felt good about that. But on the other side, I've had plenty of remuneration, in the form of monetary compensation, for things I would do naturally without expecting anything in return. All in all, it balances.
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Sadly for him, you don't owe him anything. You are free to sell your work for any amount of money. You are free to be a slow designer and take plenty of time to do work that would apparently take shorter. It's not your fault he cannot buy your work. It's not your fault the economy is what it is. It's not your fault you're part of a bigger machine, as one of the billion cogwheels that actually needs to work to be able to afford their food and other items. Or just to buy your second multi million dollars yacht. None of anyone's business.
He never had the intention to buy in the first place, otherwise he would just have done so. He did it later on only to prove his point rather than to acknowledge of your work. If you were treated as his equal, he would have had no qualms about putting as much work as you did to buy it. Instead, he started diminishing your work, insulting your efficiency and your talent.
If you were to deliver software for free, then it would be because you wanted to. You're not instantly a better person because you give your work for free, and if someone does this to get a good reputation, then I believe you're not doing it for the good reason. I've gave work for free before. Plenty of time was spent with no remuneration other than a thank you and a smile and I've felt good about that. But on the other side, I've had plenty of remuneration, in the form of monetary compensation, for things I would do naturally without expecting anything in return. All in all, it balances.
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+1 Nicely said