http://www.tmonews.com/2011/11/occupy-protesters-and-communication-workers-to-march-on-new-york-t-mobile-store/
HA ha. Maybe they should spend their time working on their resume. The useful idiots of the socialist movement lead around by their noses by ACORN now want to protest T-Mobile. Silly socialists. Life is not easy. Try a little harder.
Putting on my flame resistant suit.
Of all the wireless companies, OWS decided to go after T-Mobile? And why? "Anti-worker union busting". I know three people who work at T-Mobile call centers and LOVE it there. The pay is great they all said. They got 6 months of training and they got paid while they were in training. T-Mobile is almost always hiring where I am.
T-Mobile is the best as far as I'm concerned in customer service. They even have an iPhone support group and T-Mobile doesn't even sell iPhones nor can they. I could send all of the people who have never used a cell phone before to a T-Mobile store and recommend any phone and the clerk would go out of his or her way to make sure that the referred person knows how to use the phone.
T-Mobile has some of the lowest subscription prices for US consumers on the market. I see no reason for union workers or employees to demand higher wages and benefits. If they do and get they what they want, they will most likely cause an increase in price or a downgrade of service to the consumer. T-Mobile owes Deutsche Telekom a lot of money as it is right now. I don't think there is any way T-Mobile could maintain the great pricing and give in to unions. If the unions succeed, the cost will be paid for by the customer, like it always is with every situation like this. The consumer loses.
I also must add that AT&T and Verizon are both unionized. Look at their customer service. Look at their pricing. Neither company even offers an unlimited data plan. I've dealt with both before, it's not pretty.
You know what other company offers an unlimited data plan and is only a little bit behind T-Mobile in pricing? It's Sprint Mobile. Are they unionized? No.
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http://www.tmonews.com/2011/11/occu...-workers-to-march-on-new-york-t-mobile-store/
HA ha. Maybe they should spend their time working on their resume. The useful idiots of the socialist movement lead around by their noses by ACORN now want to protest T-Mobile. Silly socialists. Life is not easy. Try a little harder.
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No sure what your feelings about these protesters has to do with what we do here. Can we get this thread close or deleted?
dkb218 said:
No sure what your feelings about these protestors has to do with what we do here. Can we get this thread close or deleted?
[Tmonews - a stooge for T-Mobile. A gutter rat snake in T-Mobiles pocket.]
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No sure what your feelings about these protestors has to do with what we do here. Can we get this thread close or deleted?
[Tmonews - a stooge for T-Mobile. A gutter rat snake in T-Mobiles pocket.]
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Well my opinion is not that important. The protest is relevant because they have made a decision to target my cell phone company. Are you the new thread police? Don't like the topic, don't post.
The "protesters" have damaged many small private business by their "activities". I hope they at least have the good sense make sure it is not a franchise store, but I doubt it. They do not appear particularly bright.
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Of all the wireless companies, OWS decided to go after T-Mobile? And why? "Anti-worker union busting".
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Because the occupation's army is comprised of Anarchist first, and socialists 2nd. A big hint is no clear agenda other than promotion of chaos. These are serious anarchists, the European Anarchists. And T-Mobile parent company is where? Deutsche Telekom.
If it was an American based uprising it would be against ATT as it trys to eat the little guy. I wish I had a trust fund big enough to be part of OWS
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Well my opinion is not that important. The protest is relevant because they have made a decision to target my cell phone company. Are you the new thread police? Don't like the topic, don't post.
The "protesters" have damaged many small private business by their "activities". I hope they at least have the good sense make sure it is not a franchise store, but I doubt it. They do not appear particularly bright.
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It is a franchise store. I work 4 blocks from it. Pay my bills there.
Let me get this straight. Your small business in KC is being harmed by a bunch of kids in Manhattan.
No I'm not the new thread police. Just didn't think this was the place to preach political views. But since you started it.
I think anyone who speaks against this protest is a traitor to the Constitution. Protesting is a RIGHT we have in the United States. If you have a problem with people practicing their rights as Americans maybe you should try a communist country. I hear the food is good.
And Fox News is not news. That stuff will rot your brains.
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No sure what your feelings about these protestors has to do with what we do here. Can we get this thread close or deleted?
[Tmonews - a stooge for T-Mobile. A gutter rat snake in T-Mobiles pocket.]
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Instead of trying to get a thread closed by complaining to those reading the thread, why not just send the moderators a note and see if trying to stifle conversation works out for you.
Your opinion of TMOnews is very important, others talking about a flash mob communication to take over our phone's network offices....that is not worthy....according to who?
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Instead of trying to get a thread closed by complaining to those reading the thread, why not just send the moderators a note and see if trying to stifle conversation works out for you.
Your opinion of TMOnews is very important, others talking about a flash mob communication to take over our phone's network offices....that is not worthy....according to who?
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..take over our phone networks offices? Flash mob? You're right. I shouldn't try to hinder conversation. We have a right to free speech also and If I'm gonna back the right to protest, I have to back the right to peoples opinions on a given subject.
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While I'll back the right to protest to my dying breath, these kids have been taken over by who knows who. Wanna protest over jobs being sent overseas? Fine. Wanna protest over the price of education? Fine. Wanna protest police brutality? I'm with ya.
But there are about 6 employees at a T-Mobile store who will soon look out the window and wonder what the **** is going on.
Protest until you can't protest anymore. Just stick to the subject. Whatever the subject maybe.
[Anarchist - Don't you think you went overboard with that definition of the protesters?]
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I think anyone who speaks against this protest is a traitor to the Constitution. Protesting is a RIGHT we have in the United States. If you have a problem with people practicing their rights as Americans maybe you should try a communist country. I hear the food is good.
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So you support and don't speak out against any protest, because protesters have the right to do so. Under your logic, anyone speaking against a KKK rally is a traitor because the KKK has a right as American to protest.
You see dkb218, content does make a difference. If people have the right to speak out and demonstrate, anyone with common sense, (yourself seemingly absent) should understand that others have the right to speak against the concepts being promoted.
The anarchists who call themselves the occupation army, or OWS, don't have any demands. Goobers like yourself think that they need to be nurtured and supported no matter anything. I am sure you think that Chris Matthew's the speech writer for Jimmy Carter, and chief of staff to the Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill is just a non-biased journalist too.
These idiots are about to mob rush some clerks selling phones, and you support that. I don't mind that you are a lemming, just don't involve others in your insight of the need to run towards the cliff.
The right to say something is NOT the right to not being criticized and mocked for being a twit.
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So you support and don't speak out against any protest, because protesters have the right to do so. Under your logic, anyone speaking against a KKK rally is a traitor because the KKK has a right as American to protest.
You see dkb218, content does make a difference. If people have the right to speak out and demonstrate, anyone with common sense, (yourself seemingly absent) should understand that others have the right to speak against the concepts being promoted.
The anarchists who call themselves the occupation army, or OWS, don't have any demands. Goobers like yourself think that they need to be nurtured and supported no matter anything. I am sure you think that Chris Matthew's the speech writer for Jimmy Carter, and chief of staff to the Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill is just a non-biased journalist too.
These idiots are about to mob rush some clerks selling phones, and you support that. I don't mind that you are a lemming, just don't involve others in your insight of the need to run towards the cliff.
The right to say something is NOT the right to not being criticized and mocked for being a twit.
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Point taken. I stand corrected.
I feel a Rodney King statement coming on
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And Fox News is not news. That stuff will rot your brains.[/QUOTE]
I smell a liberal.
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It always ends bad, so I'm closing this now before it starts going downhill.
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The FCC is opening its ears to public opinions on this whole takeover going down. Check out this article!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-on-the-attt-mobile-deal-grab-your-pitchfork/
and here is the link where you can speak your mind, it is also linked in the article above!
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=24j63
While the article states some more phone technical difficulties and how poorly ATT treats the android community, they also need to realize some equally bigger and some effects that will be instantly impacting everyone. The acquisition will leave ATT with too many stores and they will and have already stated that they will have to cut back the work force, I would speculate a good percentage, around 15-20% of the total workforce after they acquire Tmobile. This is going to be an instant loss in THOUSANDS of jobs across the US. Great, lets lay smore people off in this already ****ty economy, **** you ATT.
Imagine if ATT did not find a way to immediately integrate the current tmobile network into the current ATT network. This would mean all sorts of issues starting with new phones, many of the 34 million customers tmobile has will be forced to buy new phones. ATT just spent 39 billion dollars on a new company do you really think they are going to give everyone new phones of equal value to the ones they currently have? I would guess maybe similar deals to what are currently on the market if you sign a new contract and maybe an additional 50-100 dollars if you sign a new contract coming from tmobile. Not only that but how is the new network going to handle the instant surge of traffic into their network, an almost 40% instant increase in traffic! They can hardly handle their own traffic currently!
ATT is ultimately buying what they cannot earn or achieve on its own and a more liberal and customer friendly business model is threatening to what ATT wants. ATT continuously gets horrible reviews on their customer service where as Tmobile is continuously receiving outstanding reviews on theirs, again tmobile buying a model to maybe improve their own or just ultimately stomp out the competition so they don't look as bad. People cannot hate them if after 5 years of no tmobile they dont remember how the good days were.
ATT has slower and poorer network coverage than Tmobile, especially when it comes to "4g" and I use 4g loosely because it is not true 4g, however it is vastly further along than ATT's equivalent model for growth. Again, ATT cannot keep up so they are buying up.
Tmobile caters to android and the development of google's open OS model. Google has released all of their officially branded phones to work with tmobile's network because tmobile continues to support google, it has been a great mutual relationship. I owned a nexus one phone for tmobile and I remember the release of an ATT radio banded nexus one and it was like a whole other world for ATT users to be on a stock android device that was not locked down by the carrier at all.
These were just the first points that popped into my head... people rarely look past anything other than the phone and network incompatibility because that will effect them personally.
"The FCC works towards six goals in the areas of broadband, competition, the spectrum, the media, public safety and homeland security, and modernizing the FCC." The FCC does have to take into account large scale effects on the country such as tens of thousands of jobs going away as a result of the merger. Competition is a big factor in this because if ultimately this turns into a monopoly setting for ATT then the FCC looks like assholes in letting this go through and they will be in the middle of a huge judicial matter down the road. If the FCC feels that millions of customers will face a headache or extra financial burden by the merger than this falls under the public safety, protecting us from damages.
I encourage that if you do say something about the merger, be academic about it. 10 million people chiming in about ATT's ****ty customer service will not get anything done, the FCC does not give a rats ass about quality customer service or high dropped call rates, they are going to be focused on business model, economical impact in the present and future and ultimately the immediate effect on customers and any unnecessary financial burdens. This is a selfish act by ATT and they are covering it up with their bull**** about how they want to expand their network for the benefit of everyone.
147 comment/complaints!
i have made mine lets take advantage of our rights and tell the FCC how we REALLY FEEL!
THANKS FOR THE LINKS OP!
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147 comment/complaints!
i have made mine lets take advantage of our rights and tell the FCC how we REALLY FEEL!
THANKS FOR THE LINKS OP!
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no problem man! this issue is bigger than, omg i dont want to deal with ATT, their ****ty customer service and ****ty phones...
What is the "proceeding number" and "filing number"?
What does my Front Facing Camera care about AT&T's acquisition of T-Mobile?
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What is the "proceeding number" and "filing number"?
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11-65 is the proceeding number
read the andriodpolice link and then go to the fcc link!
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What does my Front Facing Camera care about AT&T's acquisition of T-Mobile?
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LOL @ the topic name
@ op can you edit the topic tittle to FCC not FFC lol
Thank you for this thread! I've posted my misgivings and although I'm sure it doesn't meet their request for it to be 'brief', it certainly outlined my biggest issues w/this travesty!
I also liked both this page and the article itself in Stumbleupon. I had thought about like the FCC page, but w/o an explanation, I know ppl wouldn't know what it was about.
If this unholy union takes place, all I can say is I hope they send me some lipstick, because as Cartman said, "... I like to look pretty before I get*bleeped*!"
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11-65 is the proceeding number
read the andriodpolice link and then go to the fcc link!
LOL @ the topic name
@ op can you edit the topic tittle to FCC not FFC lol
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LOL wow i totally did not even notice this either... proofreadfail
Voiced my disapproval of the deal.
I think I agree with the OP's statements on this matter. Especially his last paragraph. They want to get an idea of what their getting into before they make a final choice. If everyone just tells them how much they hate Att and how crappy their CS is, then your just wasting your time. They will prolly make it through the first sentence and discard your message. I would suggest being mature, direct - and by direct I do not mean demanding. Focus on the big picture rather than just how it effects yourself. They wanna make sure that they arent going to regret this, they dont want to be the ones that hurt thousands of hard working americans in such a wounded economy. With gas prices, real estate and tons of material costs and not to mention food prices raising more and more, the last thing they want is to screw the cellular economy also. I would suggest reading the whole original post and thinking before you hit the send button. Because I think these emails will have an impact on their decision, I would send one, but I am not a true t-mobile customer, although I will be shortly. I honestly hope this doesnt go through, I really dont like Att either, but also dont know t-mobile enough to give an honest, informed opinion. Good luck to us all. . .
All of this GB radio leak talk has me extremely pissed and saddened. You guys saying "I'll take the chance, I have insurance" are committing fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, do you have no Moral compass? You are breaking the LAW (committing a FELONY) and you are costing all of us NON-ASSHOLES money. I have a higher insurance rate than I used to because of all the fraudulent claims, we all have encrypted bootloaders because of all the fraudulent claims....
If you run unsigned code and the phone breaks, that is YOUR FAULT, not the OEM or anyone else's.
Honesty is a virtue, and many of you are lacking it, your families would be so proud.
It's a damn shame that jcase pointed out the error and you guys attack him and say that you don't care, you'll just defraud people. I hope Asurion subpoenas your IP addresses and files lawsuits against you all, criminal and civil. Seriously.
I would just like to point out the the OP that his message is in futility to anyone he intends it for. Just saying
This has always made me wonder...
I can drive down the street with my phone held out the window and when it drops I can have it replaced (via insurance) without hearing someone yell fraud. Sure its stupid, but I could do it.
How is this different?
Morkai Almandragon said:
This has always made me wonder...
I can drive down the street with my phone held out the window and when it drops I can have it replaced (via insurance) without hearing someone yell fraud. Sure its stupid, but I could do it.
How is this different?
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If you threw the phone out the window it would be fraud...
Right vs wrong. Deception vs honesty. Being a good person vs being an asshole.
Does no one ever look in the mirror anymore???
Fraud costs us all, and you have to be one selfish asshole to commit it. You are no more important than I, so why should you be able to cheat a company that will require ME to pay more?
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I would just like to point out the the OP that his message is in futility to anyone he intends it for. Just saying
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If 50 people read it I'll be happy. Just letting them know that there are still some honest people left who will look down upon them for their selfishness. I don't care if any of them change their ways, so long as they know they are assholes.
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If 50 people read it I'll be happy. Just letting them know that there are still some honest people left who will look down upon them for their selfishness. I don't care if any of them change their ways, so long as they know they are assholes.
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No offense but no one cares what people say on the internet. No one is telling it to their faces so they just shrug it off.
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Fine with me if someone wants to claim insurance fraudulently, but don't brag about it. Pretty obvious.
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All of this GB radio leak talk has me extremely pissed and saddened. You guys saying "I'll take the chance, I have insurance" are committing fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, do you have no Moral compass? You are breaking the LAW (committing a FELONY) and you are costing all of us NON-ASSHOLES money. I have a higher insurance rate than I used to because of all the fraudulent claims, we all have encrypted bootloaders because of all the fraudulent claims....
If you run unsigned code and the phone breaks, that is YOUR FAULT, not the OEM or anyone else's.
Honesty is a virtue, and many of you are lacking it, your families would be so proud.
It's a damn shame that jcase pointed out the error and you guys attack him and say that you don't care, you'll just defraud people. I hope Asurion subpoenas your IP addresses and files lawsuits against you all, criminal and civil. Seriously.
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Just wondering with your strong moral compass do you let others know when you record their phone calls? Being that you not letting someone know they are being recorded could make you an asshole. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14171309#post14171309
jett2314 said:
Just wondering with your strong moral compass do you let others know when you record their phone calls? Being that you not letting someone know they are being recorded could make you an asshole. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14171309#post14171309
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Nice try, but in my job I actually investigate fraud, and I start every phone call with "This call is being recorded" and then I ask them to state their name and say that they are aware of being recording. Having that built-in would make my job easier....
Want to try me again? This time in the bonus round where all rewards are doubled?
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Just wondering with your strong moral compass do you let others know when you record their phone calls? Being that you not letting someone know they are being recorded could make you an asshole. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14171309#post14171309
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That could also be a crime. If you are in one of the twelve states listed in this article you would need consent from all parties on a call before you record. I wonder how this would work for cellphones with different area codes since they are mobile and all. For instance, if I have a Hawaii number but I travel to Florida would the law apply to my geographic location at time of making call or where my number is based out of?
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/
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I for one would feel bad about doing it in this case because we were warned before hand. I approach things like tethering differently because I feel like I already pay for data, etc, etc...But this seems different to me (albeit tethering is wrong too). I don't think I could send it in for warranty exchange after being careless and ignored warnings, but, I'm not one to throw stones either way.
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No offense but no one cares what people say on the internet. No one is telling it to their faces so they just shrug it off.
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They'll care when/if they are getting investigated and possibly sent to prison over a $500 phone. Insurance fraud nets you an average sentence of over 2 years in the penal system.... My investigations have led to almost as much jail-time as Denzel's character in "Training day"!!!!!
I'm sure you do. As for post, although I agree it's wrong to mislead someone. I feel it's not your position to pass judgment on to others since you benefit from their work.
Your insurance is higher because your holding a nearly $600 phone, not because of the minuscule % of people doing fraudulent claims. You would be shocked at the #"s of people that have droids to those who root. I work for vzw and honestly probably 1 out of every 20 droids I sell, does the person actually know what rooting is. On that note, they've heard of it, but don't know anything about it and when we explain the voided warranty, they quickly loose interest. It takes someone that is pretty confident in their PC skills to actually follow through with the root process. Plus the ones that actually do get through the process usually know enough to fix any issues they may come across. Ie. Everyone flashing older radios and going back to froyo. Bottom line its all about #s and it is NOT the reason behind Asurion raising monthly cost. Its the device...
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Does anyone find it funny that folks are getting bent out of shape over insurance claims, yet insurance companies screw the end user, be it medical, dental, whatever, constantly.
Just stop it with the moral compass crap and insurance talk. Neither belong together. The insurance company certainly has no moral compass. Two wrongs don't make a right...but a right and a wrong, still equals a wrong.
So you either win, or you lose. Moral compass doesn't pay any bills, and it doesn't make either side play fair, just because one side adheres to it.
--Sent from my phone, and off kilter moral compass.
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I'm sure you do. As for post, although I agree it's wrong to mislead someone. I feel it's not your position to pass judgment on to others since you benefit from their work.
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How do I benefit from people returning their phones fraudulently??
I don't get it?
Are you saying I benefit because they made a call recorder? In no way is any dev telling anyone to commit fraud, so I obviously am not passing judgement on any of them....
I am passing judgement on the people that cost me $$$$.
I work in the field, so let me tell you, BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING when fraud gets to the insane levels that they have here, and they will respond with appropriate rate hikes and litigation. In fact XDA developers themselves could face court fines if Asurion subpoenaed them and they didn't divulge the IP addresses of the admitted defrauders.
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Does anyone find it funny that folks are getting bent out of shape over insurance claims, yet insurance companies screw the end user, be it medical, dental, whatever, constantly...
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What a minute, did you peak at my latest medical bill? Their moral compass led them to my bank account.
I don't get how its fraud say I accidebtly dropped my phone out the window of my car...I knew before hand that I could drop it and break it but it happened so now let's say I rooted my phone and and it pricked I knew before that it could brick but it happened...it goes the same for swimming with your phone or doing anything else **** give me a break its not like people are breaking their phone on purpose I would agree when it comes to that but their not.
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What a minute, did you peak at my latest medical bill? Their moral compass led them to my bank account.
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hahaha!
Aint that the truth!
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Does anyone find it funny that folks are getting bent out of shape over insurance claims, yet insurance companies screw the end user, be it medical, dental, whatever, constantly.
Just stop it with the moral compass crap and insurance talk. Neither belong together. The insurance company certainly has no moral compass. Two wrongs don't make a right...but a right and a wrong, still equals a wrong.
So you either win, or you lose. Moral compass doesn't pay any bills, and it doesn't make either side play fair, just because one side adheres to it.
--Sent from my phone, and off kilter moral compass.
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If you feel like the insurance companies are screwing you, then don't get insurance. Very simple. I'm sure you can afford to pay for a catastrophic illness or disability out of pocket... Most people cannot, and rely on insurance to handle the burden...
You sign an agreement with them, actually a legally binding contract!!!! They don't violate it, so why should you be allowed to?? Because you want to stick it to "the man"????? Great reasoning.
Anyway, I'm out. Got business.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/t-mobile-to-begin-charging-overage-on-its-200mb-plans-on-august/
I don't even want to know what mobile data is gonna look like in a year.
This is hilarious. I was just fighting with a customer saying he was going to switch his four lines to tmo because it was 119 a month.
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I really hope Sprint doesn't follow the path of the other carriers.
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I really hope Sprint doesn't follow the path of the other carriers.
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It will happen. No avoiding it.
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It will happen. No avoiding it.
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There is no proof of that, pure assumption.
Aren't you in a different thread right now arguing because I'm "making a claim with no proof"? [Which I'm not but that's not the point of me asking this here]
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There is no proof of that, pure assumption.
Aren't you in a different thread right now arguing because I'm "making a claim with no proof"? [Which I'm not but that's not the point of me asking this here]
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Wait. Proof of what? What proof need there be? Sooner than later it will happen. Are you suggesting it wont? How long do you give it?
As for overages, to unlimited data (which you've seemed to confidently talk of before) something is going to give sooner than later. Would be shocking, at the rate things are going, for unlimited to last for the next couple years. Especially if that's when they complete their revision. 2-3 years ... if that long. Things change, Mox.
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Hmm, I wonder what happened to this comment from the now (properly) locked facebook thread:
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This will be my last thread in the in Evo subforum trying to help people out.
Honestly, its not in anyway deserved by people here.
Ill find another subforum next time.
Sad how a few people that could only be described as "trollers" ruin this forum.
Also, my posted older version has been downloaded 55 times. Which speaks louder then the few forum members that aren't here for anything but a fight.
Goodday Evo subforum.
Whole place needs a good /format
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Did you forget that you are still in the EVO subforums?
OK so here is my issue with all this "unlimited" data crap. I don't see how legally any company can use the term unlimited to describe a service when it clearly has limits.
By definition:
----------unlimited [uhn-lim-i-tid] adjective
----------1.not limited; unrestricted; unconfined: unlimited trade.
----------2.boundless; infinite; vast: the unlimited skies.
----------3.without any qualification or exception; unconditional.
I can understand lowering speeds. Then, technically, you are still unlimited because you are able to use as much as you want, just at lower speeds. But if they charge you for going "over" then how can it be unlimited. There must be a limit in order for you to go over it. I think that if Sprint is smart they will keep with the truly unlimited data and they will have customers flocking to them. The cost will be out weighed by the influx of new customers. Personally, if i had T-mobile right now and they tried to tell me that my unlimited plan had limits and i was going to get charged for exceeding that limit, I would sue the crap out of them for false advertising and breach of contract. It would only take a few people doing this before they would either remove the "unlimited" or stop charging for it. But this is all just my opinion and in a world full of them mine doesn't matter much. And to those who say that Sprint will eventually fall in line, you are probably right. Let's just hope it happens later, way later than sooner.
Would all of you please chill out and stop carrying on these silly internet arguments in every thread that gets posted? I'm sorry I ever thought it was funny now; it's just getting annoying.
Back on-topic, it looks to me like mobile data is inching backwards in terms of how they bill while at the same time providers strive to increase data rates. It's hard to determine why exactly this is, because if they're truly oversubscribing their networks they should be focusing on existing network expansion rather than building out new networks.
Of course, then they would be mocked for not having "4G" and would lose customers because consumers are, by and large, uneducated and see lightning striking a Verizon store in a commercial and they're sold.
It seems counter-intuitive that these companies would try so hard to get 10-20Mbps (and more) while at the same time working so hard to limit their customers to paltry consumption rates. At this point I think it's a cash grab until consumers won't accept it anymore.
I don't think that Sprint is being put in a position where it'll be forced to do start limiting consumption. There are no indications that their network is oversubscribed; quite the contrary. Considering that Sprint has almost nothing else to entice people to switch at this point, killing its unlimited plans would be a nail in the company's coffin. Until/unless they get something else to bring in customers, I think we're going to have unlimited plans for a long time to come.
Frankly, I think T-Mobile is taking these steps to bring themselves more in-line with AT&T so there's less reason to disapprove the merger and customers are already acclimated to the Death Star's rates and plans.
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There is no proof of that, pure assumption.
Aren't you in a different thread right now arguing because I'm "making a claim with no proof"? [Which I'm not but that's not the point of me asking this here]
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http://www.google.com/m/url?client=...QQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNHjpR7wFthZWfDJ__i_XWj19qBfBg
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MaxCarnage said:
It seems counter-intuitive that these companies would try so hard to get 10-20Mbps (and more) while at the same time working so hard to limit their customers to paltry consumption rates. At this point I think it's a cash grab until consumers won't accept it anymore.
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This is exactly right. If enough customers complained or threatened to sue then all this would stop.
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Sorry, but that headline has a lot of spin in it. Of course "nothing is forever", and no CEO is ever going to promise that a feature is going to last forever. But as he also said, it's a great differentiator, and frankly the only one Sprint has right now because the wimax angle is all but dead and they'll be way behind the LTE curve when they finally start launching that network.
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Sorry, but that headline has a lot of spin in it. Of course "nothing is forever", and no CEO is ever going to promise that a feature is going to last forever. But as he also said, it's a great differentiator, and frankly the only one Sprint has right now because the wimax angle is all but dead and they'll be way behind the LTE curve when they finally start launching that network.
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To say that article has a lot of spin on it is an understatement.
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To say that article has a lot of spin on it is an understatement.
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I think it says the reality of the situation. Unlimited data is a marketing point, the fact that Sprint has been unable to sustain the past quality of a unlimited data network proves that.
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I think it says the reality of the situation. Unlimited data is a marketing point, the fact that Sprint has been unable to sustain the past quality of a unlimited data network proves that.
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The quality of Sprint's network does not necessarily correlate to their unilimited data offerings. It's an older network that uses outdated radio technology, and that probably contributes to their problems more than anything. A company that for a long time was losing customers in droves and has since only been able to maintain numbers is not likely to be over oversubscribed. Nothing is "proved" in your assertion, only assumed.
You're right that unlimited data is a marketing point, and the only one that Sprint has to offer. If Sprint got rid of it and started charging like the other carriers do, I am pretty certain that oversubscription would be the least of their concerns. I know I for one am not with Sprint because they have an amazing network; I am a customer because they save me money. The day that stops happening is the day I switch to another carrier with a better network. That's really what it all boils down to, and Hesse is saavy enough to realize that he doesn't have a whole lot else going for him.
You don't embark on a national advertising campaign touting your unlimited plans just to yank the carpet out from under yourself a short time later. This is Sprint's marketing campaign for the forseeable future, and I have seen nothing to dissuade me from that belief yet.
That article is not proof of anything.
BREAKING NEWS!
DAN HESSE HINTS SPRINT MAY TURN INTO A FARMING COMPANY
A few direct quotes from Sprint's CEO Dan Hesse the other day suggests that Sprint may change from mobile provider to farming company.
"Every few months we take a look, we take a look at tonnage, and we take a look at all the things we're doing to offload tonnage ... We'll just continue to monitor it," Dan said as he contemplated changing industries.
"Nothing is forever" says Dan, as he pined for his days as a farmer "[referring to moving to an all farming company] we think it's a terrific opportunity to differentiate ourselves in the market."
Hesse has a point. We've never heard of a company making such a drastic industry change. "Think of it as two different solar systems," Hesse said.
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If I posted this exact same link in "proof" of something you would troll the next 15 pages about how much spin and "proving of nothing" this link is.
Come on now.
mattykinsx said:
That article is not proof of anything.
If I posted this exact same link in "proof" of something you would troll the next 15 pages about how much spin and "proving of nothing" this link is.
Come on now.
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I don't know what you are trying to prove. Dan Hesse was quoted as saying that unlimited data is not promised forever. That's pretty much it. No spin just a quote from the man himself that its a possibility.
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Unlimited is the only thing Sprint has going good right now. Wimax is a joke. Most people are switching just for the unlimited.
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I don't know what you are trying to prove. Dan Hesse was quoted as saying that unlimited data is not promised forever. That's pretty much it. No spin just a quote from the man himself that its a possibility.
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Everything is a possibility and the quotes "nothing lasts forever" and "were constantly watching what we do every month" can be used to validate anything.
That's the point.
I would be scared of a company that didn't constantly re-evaluate it's options and policies.
I love how yet again a thread has been taken off topic.
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I don't know what you are trying to prove. Dan Hesse was quoted as saying that unlimited data is not promised forever. That's pretty much it. No spin just a quote from the man himself that its a possibility.
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Our responses are based on conqu1stador's original assertion that Sprint was likely to move away from unlimited plans sooner rather than later along with the others. There's no evidence of that being the case, other than an obscure quote from Dan Hesse saying that "nothing lasts forever" and then qualifying that statement by saying that it's their best differentiator from the other carriers right now. How that is evidence that Sprint will be dropping its unlimited plans "sooner rather than later" I don't know.
I get that there's a "trend" among the carriers towards dropping unlimited plans, but let's analyze that for a second. We really only have four big carriers; AT&T and Verizon are primarily in competition with each other so they keep their plans competitive against themselves. If AT&T drops unlimited plans, Verizon is sure to follow suit as they both go for quick cash grabs while they build out their next gen networks.
T-Mobile and Sprint were each other's main competition, but with AT&T looking to buy T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom wanting it to happen, T-Mobile is going to slowly start aligning itself with AT&T's existing plans and policies to make the merger more streamlined.
Where does this leave Sprint? A lone wolf against two major carriers with nothing to offer other than competitive pricing; do you really see them trying to align themselves with the other carrier's pricing when they can't compete on any other level? At least against T-Mobile they have relatively comparable network coverage (though with GSM and HSDPA+ you can argue that T-Mobile has a better quality network), but other than that what is Sprint going to be able to offer against AT&T and/or Verizon?
Until or unless Sprint decides to commit corporate suicide to make itself look ripe for a buyout by Verizon, Sprint will do whatever it can to maintain its competitive pricing, and that includes its unlimited plans. There's no other reason to stick with Sprint right now. One obscure quote taken out of context doesn't prove that Sprint is going away from unlimited plans, and nothing else I have seen indicates so.
so apparently the German government (and other entities) have been using silent sms attacks to keep tabs on its civilians
they send a silent sms to someones phone, it dosent show up at all on their device, but it pings back Imei numbers and other info, which can be cross reffed with the operator log of the towers and used to compile an entire movement profile for an individual
now i dont know about you but as an upstanding citizen this kind of crap concerns the heck outta me.
i believe further exploration into some sort of defense against ssms attacks is in order but it is way above my paygrade
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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Eeroz said:
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
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Not the OS developers, it purely has to do with the carriers. I remember reading a lot about similar things in the past, like pinging a phone, class 0 sms', etc. Does anyone have any related links, whether relating to the governments use or these pinging sms' in general? Sounds like an interesting topic!
ishmael345 said:
It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I hear you there. Look at the new chip they want in all cell phones in the US starting this year for government based SMS for terrorist threats and amber alerts. Wonder why it is gonna be connected to the GPS and phone mic?
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
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http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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Any proof about this?
Do a search for Fema chips in cell phones and see.
zeekiz said:
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
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http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
zelendel said:
Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
M_Nation said:
I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I know that maybe a bit harsh but some of my freinds were those that stood up for our rights and freedom and for someone to say its OK for a government to remove that right rubs me wrong.
I would to if you were innocent until proven guilty but we all know that is not the case anymore. Now you are guilty until proven innocent.
I think the days of thinking that our government is out for the good of people is long over.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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Oh for my "protection" well thats okay then.
So whats your stance on carrier IQ then? after all its only sending information that will make our phone using experiance better, And from a safety issue SOPA and the Australian internet filter are brilliant, Means I can not access those nasty sites that will put me at risk, Just like in China. It does not stink of isolationisim and control at all. And all no one should want ANYTHING kept private if they are not breaking the law should they? Infact privacy breeds suscpicion. How about for everyones safety you post your private details and smses as well as your daily schedule so we know you are not going around consorting with terroists or drug dealers.
Anyone who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
Mainspring said:
forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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^^^^--- This.
Anyway, as far as being able to track you they would need probable cause to even begin to attempt to defend themselves if any government type decides to do this. At least enough to warrant a search a seizure. I don't know how the laws are outside of the states but I can imagine unless you're in a dictatorship or you live in a communist nation the laws are similar.
Higher-ups have always been able to do this, that's not the question. The question is the legitimacy of the situations that they decide to use their power.
LOL
I love you guys who born and grow up in the US. and Western part where democracy is practicing daily.
Coming off a communist country, I love freedom a lot but ......... if you do no harm to the nation, no harm to the country, no harm to the community and no harm to anybody, then you SHOULD NEVER worry about it.
If you say "Obama is suck and I hate him" you not gonna be jailed for that.
If you say "I hate white president and I never vote for those again", you not gonna be fined for that.
If you say "I just have sex with my g/f and she moans like crazy", they not gonna care to listen to your conversation.
But if you are up to something, potentially put the nation, commnunity at risk, yes, you are deserved to lock up for the rest of your life as the safety issue for the rest.
Period.
Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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hungry81 said:
Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Look at all the articles about how carriers gave the FBI an open ticket to their systems. The government has been doing unwarrented wire taps for years now in the name of security which is BS.
As for the previous comment no you don't get in trouble for things like that but let me tell you a true story about a buddy of mine.
He and his girlfreind got into an argument where she made up lies about how he said he would kill her for threating to run away with their child. The cops find him on a bus leaving state. Tosses him in jail for 4 weeks until he sees a judge as their is no bail in the state for demestic issues. Then he get 6 months probation and has to pay $4000 in fines. Cant go to trial as she cant be found. Now he has assault on his record and is having trouble finding work as all it says is ASSAULT nothing else. All for words he never said. But even if he had it was still just words. Nothing more. No history of violence. Just an empty threat.
Yeah freedom right. Guilty until proven innocent
Wow, never heard this until now
from two days ago xda forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com) blocked in Iran!!!!!
Can anybody say me why!? Is there any sexual or political thread here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Iran
Huh? Thats odd
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I hope that is a temporary issue that will be dealed with soon.
Iran has plans in the near future to completely disconnect themselves from the global internet and replace it with a heavily censored state intranet. Perhaps they're starting to block off resources that can teach people ways to circumvent internet technologies.
sreza said:
Iran has plans in the near future to completely disconnect themselves from the global internet and replace it with a heavily censored state intranet. Perhaps they're starting to block off resources that can teach people ways to circumvent internet technologies.
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that's quite likely, although perhaps a blanket distrust of Western internet sites is the other possibility.
Sounds like a right proper pain to folk in Iran.
Maybe because filters blocked it by accident? I, live in Oman and Internet service is crappie -They blocked Google and it's services by accident and it lasted for 3-4 days.
interiesting
sreza said:
Iran has plans in the near future to completely disconnect themselves from the global internet and replace it with a heavily censored state intranet. Perhaps they're starting to block off resources that can teach people ways to circumvent internet technologies.
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it's incredible that in 2012 there are things like this --'
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Sadly, there are still worse places than this, like North Korea. As far as these countries are concerned, the Enlightenment never happened.
At some point in time blame ultimately shifts from the oppressor to the people that allow themselves to be oppressed.
I know Turkey blocked youtube back few years ago(for sure atleast a year)... not sure if its still blocked though
85gallon said:
At some point in time blame ultimately shifts from the oppressor to the people that allow themselves to be oppressed.
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In the case of North Korea, the situation is called a "cult of personality". Their -religion- is the worship of the rulers, and the state media does a very good job of preventing the people from realizing the advances that have taken place in the rest of the world over the past 40 years. They honestly don't know any better.
In Iran however, the people aren't being oppressed by the ruling class. They are actually actively oppressing themselves. They have access to the internet, and they are appalled by how liberal the rest of the world is. As the American Dad episode shows, the men are quite happy with the status quo, and the women are stoned to death for raising any protest. They have democratic elections the same as us, with 48 million registered voters, and the voting isn't particularly rigged either. The trouble is that they live in a society with Bronze Age ethics.
Hell, the most passionate advocates for covering women's faces and genital mutilation are the women themselves, who feel it's the only way to keep themselves from being raped (and then stoned to death for committing "adultery") or from being unable to be considered marriageable.