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HTC, Motorola, Samsung

All three of these guys have claimed they will be more developer friendly and intend on providing unlockable bootloaders in their future devices. However, as of yet only Samsung has actually shipped their powerhouse devices unencrypted. HTC has promised to release future patches that will unlock their devices. Motorola made pretty much one statement about offering unencrypted devices but has yet to release any details and all of their devices since that statement (bar the Xoom) have been released with encrypted boot loaders.
The question is, does this have a major impact on who you decide to support with your hard earned cash?

as a beginner in the development industry, i believe Motorola will hold the key from now on. Why? Because Motorola is now Google. Simple as that

alxz_4acdc said:
as a beginner in the development industry, i believe Motorola will hold the key from now on. Why? Because Motorola is now Google. Simple as that
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I think it still has to be approved...

Motorola-Google is approved today both in the US and in Europe.
As for the question, it does. I want a phone that I know will be maintainable. Even if that is not by the manufacturer. I think of my phone like a car. I spent a lot of money on it and I need it to last for a long time. If the manufacturer stops servicing it, I need to be able to service it myself.

The next Nexus is hopefully a Motorola with an unlocked bootloader.
Nexus Razr. Ha
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I Am Marino said:
The next Nexus is hopefully a Motorola with an unlocked bootloader.
Nexus Razr. Ha
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That doesn't actually sound bad at all, or maybe Droid Nexus, Nexus MAXX, as long as it's not exclusive to VZW

Motorola all the way!

Atrix bootloader is unlocked

.... discuss
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Wasn't it only done through a leaked build of upcoming gingerbread update for Atrix though? Not really applicable for us, is it?

Atrix sales suck. Xoom sales suck. Nobody believes Motorola will unlock anything. Motorola can't afford Bionic sales to suck, but plans to release it with a locked bootloader, anyway. Minimal effort to get the blogosphere on your side: leak bootloader. Unlock other devices? Won't bother.
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Mioze7Ae said:
Atrix sales suck. Xoom sales suck. Nobody believes Motorola will unlock anything. Motorola can't afford Bionic sales to suck, but plans to release it with a locked bootloader, anyway. Minimal effort to get the blogosphere on your side: leak bootloader. Unlock other devices? Won't bother.
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1 The Xoom-bootloader is already unlocked.
2 The Atrix-bootloader is leaked here. Motorola would've unlocked it with the 2.3-upgrade. And if you don't believe me, ask the devs who found it. They'll tell you they would.
And Xoom-sales suck? There is too much demand for the Xoom here in The Netherlands. All store are out of stock at the moment and still a lot of people want it.

Vistaus said:
1 The Xoom-bootloader is already unlocked.
2 The Atrix-bootloader is leaked here. Motorola would've unlocked it with the 2.3-upgrade. And if you don't believe me, ask the devs who found it. They'll tell you they would.
And Xoom-sales suck? There is too much demand for the Xoom here in The Netherlands. All store are out of stock at the moment and still a lot of people want it.
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From what I've read, Xoom is only unlocked in the US. Xoom sales sucking was widely reported when Motorola Mobility released their financials. I'm sorry supply is low in your neck of the woods.
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syrenz said:
Wasn't it only done through a leaked build of upcoming gingerbread update for Atrix though? Not really applicable for us, is it?
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No... not really.
But i though that it was news worthy... since this applies to all Motorola products, being unlocked or not i mean.
The Atrix's bootloader was shipped locked and now will be unlocked so if the XT720 was shipped locked... there is still a chance right?> just my 2 centsed
../.;

syrenz said:
Wasn't it only done through a leaked build of upcoming gingerbread update for Atrix though? Not really applicable for us, is it?
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hellmonger said:
No... not really.
But i though that it was news worthy... since this applies to all Motorola products, being unlocked or not i mean.
The Atrix's bootloader was shipped locked and now will be unlocked so if the XT720 was shipped locked... there is still a chance right?> just my 2 centsed
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I thought I read that it came from a leak of a Motorola GB release too. I don't think anyone has cracked the bootloader yet.

Motorola Mark on getsatisfaction found a polite way to convey that unlocking XT720 has a snowball's chance in hell. But he also doesn't know anything about Cincinnati Bell's upgrade. Which means one of two things...

3rdstring said:
I thought I read that it came from a leak of a Motorola GB release too. I don't think anyone has cracked the bootloader yet.
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yeah it's a leak...
http://wiki.rootzwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Motorola_Atrix

Mioze7Ae said:
Motorola Mark on getsatisfaction found a polite way to convey that unlocking XT720 has a snowball's chance in hell. But he also doesn't know anything about Cincinnati Bell's upgrade. Which means one of two things...
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Sounds like we're screwed....

Mioze7Ae said:
From what I've read, Xoom is only unlocked in the US. Xoom sales sucking was widely reported when Motorola Mobility released their financials. I'm sorry supply is low in your neck of the woods.
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Xoom is unlocked on all versions. Just need to do the fastboot oem unlock thing.
I'd argue that Motorola's android sales aren't horrendous, if you just consider the number of Vzn droid devices in the states.

true news? if its true would be damn great!!

All I know is that according to disgruntled Xoom users on reddit in the continuous "where the hell is SD card support?!?!" posts, Google handles Xoom's software in the US (and has not released SD card support) but the US version has fastboot oem unlock and that Xoom software on at least some non-US versions is handled by Motorola (which has released SD card support outside the US) but these devices lack fastboot oem unlock.
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@Mioze7Ae: I have a Xoom 3G myself. The Dutch one, so European. And I can confirm that the bootloader is unlockable here via fastboot oem unlock.

3rdstring said:
I thought I read that it came from a leak of a Motorola GB release too. I don't think anyone has cracked the bootloader yet.
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A Motorola GB-release for the Atrix leaked. The release contained the unlockable bootloader-thing. So yeah, it's cracked as the devs now have control over that leaked upgrade which unlocks the bootloader.

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/06/28/motorola-mobility-slumps-anew-after-analyst-downgrade/
It's kind of satisfying seeing Motorola take hits like this. Makes me wonder how they ever thought the idea of making phones and then ditching the people who bought it was a good idea. Their lack of updates and locked phones has certainly got them into this mess.

syrenz said:
http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/06/28/motorola-mobility-slumps-anew-after-analyst-downgrade/
it's kind of satisfying seeing motorola take hits like this. Makes me wonder how they ever thought the idea of making phones and then ditching the people who bought it was a good idea. Their lack of updates and locked phones has certainly got them into this mess.
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yes!!! F#%$ you moto!!!!

Verizon not part of HTC's bootloader policy?

With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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Adrozz07 said:
With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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I don't think HTC will unlock bootloaders at all, I think they gonna make unlockable bootloaders which is a different thing.
To the topic who know we'll know more when the photon 4G comes to Sprint since it sounds like the bionicand if the bootloader is unlockable then is most likely the Verizon doesn't like unlockable bootloaders
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jgalan14 said:
I don't think HTC will unlock bootloaders at all, I think they gonna make unlockable bootloaders which is a different thing.
To the topic who know we'll know more when the photon 4G comes to Sprint since it sounds like the bionicand if the bootloader is unlockable then is most likely the Verizon doesn't like unlockable bootloaders
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Sorry for my wording. Unlockable is of course what I meant.
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Adrozz07 said:
With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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HTC said that the unlocking of bootloaders will ultimately be in the wireless carrier's hands as far as the final say so. Verizon does not have a good track record for being community friendly.

akanatrix said:
HTC said that the unlocking of bootloaders will ultimately be in the wireless carrier's hands as far as the final say so. Verizon does not have a good track record for being community friendly.
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Because not caring about people rooting is very anti-community..
What phones were you expecting them to unlock? The ones that have bootloaders that have already been bypassed? lol

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HTC said that the unlocking of bootloaders will ultimately be in the wireless carrier's hands as far as the final say so. Verizon does not have a good track record for being community friendly.
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This.
Expect to have to continue unlocking bootloaders the hard way. At least HTC phones are relatively easy to crack. Now Motorola... my old Droid X is still not fully unlocked and likely never will be. Oh well, so happy I got my Thunderbolt. It's been one hell of a device. Even if HTC cannot fully uphold their claim to having unlockable bootloaders, I still prefer them because so far it seems most of the time they CAN be unlocked, eventually. That's reason enough for me to choose them over M anyday. Not to mention their build quality just feels nice.

Yeah, Verizon hasn't been very community-friendly. But that doesn't explain why certain LG and Samsung devices have launched without any sort of bootloader lockdowns.

sc4fpse said:
Yeah, Verizon hasn't been very community-friendly. But that doesn't explain why certain LG and Samsung devices have launched without any sort of bootloader lockdowns.
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As far as I know, every Android phone has a locked bootloader. I may be mistaken though.
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Not to mention the fact one of the Grand Poobahs at Motorola came right out and said if you want an unlocked phone don't bother with the Bionic.
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This.
Expect to have to continue unlocking bootloaders the hard way. At least HTC phones are relatively easy to crack. Now Motorola... my old Droid X is still not fully unlocked and likely never will be. Oh well, so happy I got my Thunderbolt. It's been one hell of a device. Even if HTC cannot fully uphold their claim to having unlockable bootloaders, I still prefer them because so far it seems most of the time they CAN be unlocked, eventually. That's reason enough for me to choose them over M anyday. Not to mention their build quality just feels nice.
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This is why I am done with Motorola.

Adrozz07 said:
With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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Verizon lie? NEVER!
I honestly believe that HTC, Motorola, etc. don't give a ****e about locking bootloaders. Blame the carriers.

[Q] anyone know if the verizon's razr hd bootloader will be cracked?

hi as the title says i was just wondering if someone is or plans to work on a crack for the verizon version of the razr hd... i plan on getting one tomorrow but it would seem the developer version is only available without a plan and i just started one. if theres any alternative let me know please and thank you

If you can afford it just buy the Dev. You can just switch it over to your current plan.
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yea thats exactly it i can't afford it =( o well thanks though

Other than that then Verizon has no plans to let their normal HD be unlocked. Maybe the devs can come up with something?
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can it be cracked? Definitely, just look at the Galaxy S3. But will enough developers get on the Razr HD to make it happen? That idk. I don't remember the first Razr getting cracked but rather kexec releases which still brings custom roms. I think that is a great possibility

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can it be cracked? Definitely, just look at the Galaxy S3. But will enough developers get on the Razr HD to make it happen? That idk. I don't remember the first Razr getting cracked but rather kexec releases which still brings custom roms. I think that is a great possibility
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Samsung bootloaders vs Motorola's big difference... kexec still doesn't fully work on the old RAZR
And they are coming out with more and more snooping software
Its not looking good for a unlocked boot loader on Verizon... sucks cause I'm in that boat...and I hated that with the RAZR
We need some killer devs bottom line
This phone is sick I'm surprised more people are not here yet
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lucidvtec said:
This phone is sick I'm surprised more people are not here yet
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The phone just came to market about a week and a half ago, and isn't cheap. Patience is a virtue I'm sure it will happen, this phone is mad ridiculous. Haven't even rooted it yet and loving everything about it.

I'm sorry if this has been posted somewhere else on this forum, but I couldn't find it anywhere.
djrbliss has supposedly found an exploit to unlock the bootloader on most current Motorola phones, including possibly the XT926 as some people in the thread have claimed. Here's the link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32888705#post32888705
Can anyone else back up this information? I'd have thought this would have made a bigger deal here, since the biggest downside of my RAZR MAXX HD, in my opinion, is the locked bootloader.

Does the motofail2go unlock the bootloader, or just root the phone? I was under the impression that the two were completely different beasts...

Yea I was under the impression that is the root exploit. He mentioned unlocked bootloader because you don't need an exploit to root those.
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GoClifGo05 said:
Yea I was under the impression that is the root exploit. He mentioned unlocked bootloader because you don't need an exploit to root those.
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Ah, I see. I saw it linked from another article somewhere saying that it was a bootloader unlock. I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the thread itself after i saw the words unlocked bootloader in the OP. Sorry about that.

bootloader unlock
Recently went out and picked up a moto razr maxx hd only to find that moto is no allowing US models to be unlocked through their site. I went through all of the steps to get the device id: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-b only to find out I cant unlock because my phone was purchased in the US:
HOW DO I TELL IF MY DEVICE HAS AN UNLOCKABLE/RE-LOCKABLE BOOTLOADER?
This depends on a few factors. First is whether the device ships with a bootloader that is capable of being unlocked or re-locked. Second is whether the wireless carrier that sells the device allows the bootloader to be unlocked, as each of our operator partners has their own policy. As new devices are released, please check the bootloader introduction page. You will be able to check whether your device shipped with an unlockable bootloader. We will be adding devices to this list regularly.
As of August 2012, the only Motorola devices which can be unlocked are:
Photon Q 4G LTE (Sprint)
RAZR Developer Edition (Europe Only)
XOOM
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...ICE_HAS_AN_UNLOCKABLE/RE-LOCKABLE_BOOTLOADER?
Heres to hoping things get sorted, I'll gladly donate to whomever can do it effectively...

Is updates for our maxx and ultra's done

I have a maxx and I believe they are done with updating this phone due to being bought out by lenova. Anybody know any news on this...
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Really did you just ask this question? We will get 4.4.2 and even the next update our phones are 6 months old hell moto is updating the RAZR and M how old are they. I so tired of all the negativity against lenova and stupid posts like this one. Fear mongering that all this post is about. Unless you have something of probative value on this subject do me a favor and keep your ? To yourself.

The Lenovo deal is not finalized yet. Google still owns Motorola.
Why would Lenovo not want to update the phone? Also, Motorola is still rolling out updates to the X, after the Lenovo deal was announced. The Lenovo deal was negotiated late last year, and updates still continue. Motorola just announced a new watch that was developed before the deal. Frankly, I don't think anything is going to change.

Lenovo is going to want to start out by keeping their active customer base happy... The first thing they don't want to do is piss off everyone they just acquired. I'm certain Motorola will roll out 4.4.2 before Lenovo takes over. Lenovo should keep updates coming at least until they have their own line of superior phones.

A buyout like this isn't over night. Can take a couple of years to finalize.
Why does everyone care about updates so much?

Wasn't there talks from Google about phones will only receive updates until they are 1.5/2 years old? Or do I have the times wrong.

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Wasn't there talks from Google about phones will only receive updates until they are 1.5/2 years old? Or do I have the times wrong.
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Kinda but you have it backwards. It was that they WILL received updates for 18 months but that has never really been a firm thing and it's still up to providers. This doesn't mean they will stop receiving updates after that 18 months though. Motorola has shown a willingness to update timely and I have no doubt that will continue. I'm sure the hold up is playing the Verizon game.

From what I understand its not really Motorola that holds the updates. Its Verizon they receive the update for said phones and they add their little programs and secret squirrel crap to the update before the consumer receives it.
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So since there is no root for 4.4 without bootloader unlock there is no much sense for VZW to push 4.4.2 =)

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So since there is no root for 4.4 without bootloader unlock there is no much sense for VZW to push 4.4.2 =)
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I have a locked boot loader with 4.4 and I'm rooted
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Yeah but you gained root on 4.2.2 then took the update. Run an fxz and your root is bye bye because you can't root 4.4

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I have a locked boot loader with 4.4 and I'm rooted
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So did I. But portion these people is small too =) All new phones comes with 4.4, problem solved. Most people got updated first and then checked for root options.

That's exactly what happened to me and also what pushed me into the "potential bootloader unlock" game but all said and done I'm glad it happened that way living life to the Maxx is so much easier now...
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doogald said:
The Lenovo deal is not finalized yet. Google still owns Motorola.
Why would Lenovo not want to update the phone? Also, Motorola is still rolling out updates to the X, after the Lenovo deal was announced. The Lenovo deal was negotiated late last year, and updates still continue. Motorola just announced a new watch that was developed before the deal. Frankly, I don't think anything is going to change.
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Lenovo wont even give us there own phones they make money on. Why would they update something they make $0 off of at this point?
Look at there android tablets. I havent seen anything of updates on them in a while.

It's going to be a while for 4.4.2. David Schuster just said on his g+ page " I understand your frustration, we are also frustrated. We have been working to get you this upgrade as quickly as we can but there have been some unforeseen delays with requirement changes. We are actively working on getting you this update."
In other words Verizon is insisting on more ways to make your phone theirs.

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It's going to be a while for 4.4.2. David Schuster just said on his g+ page " I understand your frustration, we are also frustrated. We have been working to get you this upgrade as quickly as we can but there have been some unforeseen delays with requirement changes. We are actively working on getting you this update."
In other words Verizon is insisting on more ways to make your phone theirs.
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All they have to say is NO. But they won't. The Droid line Motorola has made for years any other provider would take if they could get it. TMZ started with these crazy loud videos playing that you couldn't pause or turn off the volume about a year back. With Android 4.4 Google said NO and now the app crashes each time it try to open with a video ad.
If Samsung, HTC, and Motorola got together and stopped letting Verizon screw up there software with extra crap it would all be fine. Apple said NO.. Guess what.. They still sell the iPhone.

Motorola is contracted by Verizon to make the droid branded phones for them. This isn't like the X, or the HTC one, or the samsung galaxy or note phones, or the lg phones - Verizon hired Motorola to make the droids, rather than Motorola coming to Verizon with a phone to sell. Moto has no choice but to follow Verizon's specifications. They can't say no, and they definitely can't update the phone without Verizon's approval.
The iPhone is completely different. The carriers are begging apple to sell the phone, rather than the other way around. Apple has power in that sort of relationship that no other phone OEM has, and probably will have for a long time, if ever.
David schuster said the fix would take "a number of weeks". So, by the end of May? Is that really that long a time?

radzer0 said:
All they have to say is NO. But they won't. The Droid line Motorola has made for years any other provider would take if they could get it. TMZ started with these crazy loud videos playing that you couldn't pause or turn off the volume about a year back. With Android 4.4 Google said NO and now the app crashes each time it try to open with a video ad.
If Samsung, HTC, and Motorola got together and stopped letting Verizon screw up there software with extra crap it would all be fine. Apple said NO.. Guess what.. They still sell the iPhone.
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You simply don't get how this works.

doogald said:
Motorola is contracted by Verizon to make the droid branded phones for them. This isn't like the X, or the HTC one, or the samsung galaxy or note phones, or the lg phones - Verizon hired Motorola to make the droids, rather than Motorola coming to Verizon with a phone to sell. Moto has no choice but to follow Verizon's specifications. They can't say no, and they definitely can't update the phone without Verizon's approval.
The iPhone is completely different. The carriers are begging apple to sell the phone, rather than the other way around. Apple has power in that sort of relationship that no other phone OEM has, and probably will have for a long time, if ever.
David schuster said the fix would take "a number of weeks". So, by the end of May? Is that really that long a time?
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Best answer I have read in weeks!
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The title on this thread. The thread needs to go away.
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