All three of these guys have claimed they will be more developer friendly and intend on providing unlockable bootloaders in their future devices. However, as of yet only Samsung has actually shipped their powerhouse devices unencrypted. HTC has promised to release future patches that will unlock their devices. Motorola made pretty much one statement about offering unencrypted devices but has yet to release any details and all of their devices since that statement (bar the Xoom) have been released with encrypted boot loaders.
The question is, does this have a major impact on who you decide to support with your hard earned cash?
as a beginner in the development industry, i believe Motorola will hold the key from now on. Why? Because Motorola is now Google. Simple as that
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as a beginner in the development industry, i believe Motorola will hold the key from now on. Why? Because Motorola is now Google. Simple as that
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I think it still has to be approved...
Motorola-Google is approved today both in the US and in Europe.
As for the question, it does. I want a phone that I know will be maintainable. Even if that is not by the manufacturer. I think of my phone like a car. I spent a lot of money on it and I need it to last for a long time. If the manufacturer stops servicing it, I need to be able to service it myself.
The next Nexus is hopefully a Motorola with an unlocked bootloader.
Nexus Razr. Ha
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The next Nexus is hopefully a Motorola with an unlocked bootloader.
Nexus Razr. Ha
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That doesn't actually sound bad at all, or maybe Droid Nexus, Nexus MAXX, as long as it's not exclusive to VZW
Motorola all the way!
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Wasn't it only done through a leaked build of upcoming gingerbread update for Atrix though? Not really applicable for us, is it?
Atrix sales suck. Xoom sales suck. Nobody believes Motorola will unlock anything. Motorola can't afford Bionic sales to suck, but plans to release it with a locked bootloader, anyway. Minimal effort to get the blogosphere on your side: leak bootloader. Unlock other devices? Won't bother.
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Atrix sales suck. Xoom sales suck. Nobody believes Motorola will unlock anything. Motorola can't afford Bionic sales to suck, but plans to release it with a locked bootloader, anyway. Minimal effort to get the blogosphere on your side: leak bootloader. Unlock other devices? Won't bother.
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1 The Xoom-bootloader is already unlocked.
2 The Atrix-bootloader is leaked here. Motorola would've unlocked it with the 2.3-upgrade. And if you don't believe me, ask the devs who found it. They'll tell you they would.
And Xoom-sales suck? There is too much demand for the Xoom here in The Netherlands. All store are out of stock at the moment and still a lot of people want it.
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1 The Xoom-bootloader is already unlocked.
2 The Atrix-bootloader is leaked here. Motorola would've unlocked it with the 2.3-upgrade. And if you don't believe me, ask the devs who found it. They'll tell you they would.
And Xoom-sales suck? There is too much demand for the Xoom here in The Netherlands. All store are out of stock at the moment and still a lot of people want it.
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From what I've read, Xoom is only unlocked in the US. Xoom sales sucking was widely reported when Motorola Mobility released their financials. I'm sorry supply is low in your neck of the woods.
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Wasn't it only done through a leaked build of upcoming gingerbread update for Atrix though? Not really applicable for us, is it?
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No... not really.
But i though that it was news worthy... since this applies to all Motorola products, being unlocked or not i mean.
The Atrix's bootloader was shipped locked and now will be unlocked so if the XT720 was shipped locked... there is still a chance right?> just my 2 centsed
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Wasn't it only done through a leaked build of upcoming gingerbread update for Atrix though? Not really applicable for us, is it?
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No... not really.
But i though that it was news worthy... since this applies to all Motorola products, being unlocked or not i mean.
The Atrix's bootloader was shipped locked and now will be unlocked so if the XT720 was shipped locked... there is still a chance right?> just my 2 centsed
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I thought I read that it came from a leak of a Motorola GB release too. I don't think anyone has cracked the bootloader yet.
Motorola Mark on getsatisfaction found a polite way to convey that unlocking XT720 has a snowball's chance in hell. But he also doesn't know anything about Cincinnati Bell's upgrade. Which means one of two things...
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I thought I read that it came from a leak of a Motorola GB release too. I don't think anyone has cracked the bootloader yet.
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yeah it's a leak...
http://wiki.rootzwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Motorola_Atrix
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Motorola Mark on getsatisfaction found a polite way to convey that unlocking XT720 has a snowball's chance in hell. But he also doesn't know anything about Cincinnati Bell's upgrade. Which means one of two things...
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Sounds like we're screwed....
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From what I've read, Xoom is only unlocked in the US. Xoom sales sucking was widely reported when Motorola Mobility released their financials. I'm sorry supply is low in your neck of the woods.
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Xoom is unlocked on all versions. Just need to do the fastboot oem unlock thing.
I'd argue that Motorola's android sales aren't horrendous, if you just consider the number of Vzn droid devices in the states.
true news? if its true would be damn great!!
All I know is that according to disgruntled Xoom users on reddit in the continuous "where the hell is SD card support?!?!" posts, Google handles Xoom's software in the US (and has not released SD card support) but the US version has fastboot oem unlock and that Xoom software on at least some non-US versions is handled by Motorola (which has released SD card support outside the US) but these devices lack fastboot oem unlock.
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@Mioze7Ae: I have a Xoom 3G myself. The Dutch one, so European. And I can confirm that the bootloader is unlockable here via fastboot oem unlock.
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I thought I read that it came from a leak of a Motorola GB release too. I don't think anyone has cracked the bootloader yet.
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A Motorola GB-release for the Atrix leaked. The release contained the unlockable bootloader-thing. So yeah, it's cracked as the devs now have control over that leaked upgrade which unlocks the bootloader.
http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/06/28/motorola-mobility-slumps-anew-after-analyst-downgrade/
It's kind of satisfying seeing Motorola take hits like this. Makes me wonder how they ever thought the idea of making phones and then ditching the people who bought it was a good idea. Their lack of updates and locked phones has certainly got them into this mess.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/06/28/motorola-mobility-slumps-anew-after-analyst-downgrade/
it's kind of satisfying seeing motorola take hits like this. Makes me wonder how they ever thought the idea of making phones and then ditching the people who bought it was a good idea. Their lack of updates and locked phones has certainly got them into this mess.
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yes!!! F#%$ you moto!!!!
With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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I don't think HTC will unlock bootloaders at all, I think they gonna make unlockable bootloaders which is a different thing.
To the topic who know we'll know more when the photon 4G comes to Sprint since it sounds like the bionicand if the bootloader is unlockable then is most likely the Verizon doesn't like unlockable bootloaders
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I don't think HTC will unlock bootloaders at all, I think they gonna make unlockable bootloaders which is a different thing.
To the topic who know we'll know more when the photon 4G comes to Sprint since it sounds like the bionicand if the bootloader is unlockable then is most likely the Verizon doesn't like unlockable bootloaders
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Sorry for my wording. Unlockable is of course what I meant.
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With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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HTC said that the unlocking of bootloaders will ultimately be in the wireless carrier's hands as far as the final say so. Verizon does not have a good track record for being community friendly.
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HTC said that the unlocking of bootloaders will ultimately be in the wireless carrier's hands as far as the final say so. Verizon does not have a good track record for being community friendly.
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Because not caring about people rooting is very anti-community..
What phones were you expecting them to unlock? The ones that have bootloaders that have already been bypassed? lol
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HTC said that the unlocking of bootloaders will ultimately be in the wireless carrier's hands as far as the final say so. Verizon does not have a good track record for being community friendly.
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This.
Expect to have to continue unlocking bootloaders the hard way. At least HTC phones are relatively easy to crack. Now Motorola... my old Droid X is still not fully unlocked and likely never will be. Oh well, so happy I got my Thunderbolt. It's been one hell of a device. Even if HTC cannot fully uphold their claim to having unlockable bootloaders, I still prefer them because so far it seems most of the time they CAN be unlocked, eventually. That's reason enough for me to choose them over M anyday. Not to mention their build quality just feels nice.
Yeah, Verizon hasn't been very community-friendly. But that doesn't explain why certain LG and Samsung devices have launched without any sort of bootloader lockdowns.
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Yeah, Verizon hasn't been very community-friendly. But that doesn't explain why certain LG and Samsung devices have launched without any sort of bootloader lockdowns.
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As far as I know, every Android phone has a locked bootloader. I may be mistaken though.
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Not to mention the fact one of the Grand Poobahs at Motorola came right out and said if you want an unlocked phone don't bother with the Bionic.
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This.
Expect to have to continue unlocking bootloaders the hard way. At least HTC phones are relatively easy to crack. Now Motorola... my old Droid X is still not fully unlocked and likely never will be. Oh well, so happy I got my Thunderbolt. It's been one hell of a device. Even if HTC cannot fully uphold their claim to having unlockable bootloaders, I still prefer them because so far it seems most of the time they CAN be unlocked, eventually. That's reason enough for me to choose them over M anyday. Not to mention their build quality just feels nice.
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This is why I am done with Motorola.
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With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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Verizon lie? NEVER!
I honestly believe that HTC, Motorola, etc. don't give a ****e about locking bootloaders. Blame the carriers.
This **** is RIDICULOUS.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...-headed-to-europe-with-a-u-s-version-to-come/
Never again will I buy a Moto phone.
"Unlocked bootloaders by the end of '11!"
"Here's a new expensive device you can buy to get an unlocked bootloader! Take that original RAZR owners, and the rest of the Motorola community! Hahahaha."
I don't know what to say.
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This **** is RIDICULOUS.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...-headed-to-europe-with-a-u-s-version-to-come/
Never again will I buy a Moto phone.
"Unlocked bootloaders by the end of '11!"
"Here's a new expensive device you can buy to get an unlocked bootloader! Take that original RAZR owners, and the rest of the Motorola community! Hahahaha."
I don't know what to say.
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I agree, the way that Motorola has been treating it's customers has been truly ridculous. They have (or so it seems) practically abandoned the Atrix 2 which is a relativity new phone, and their only major phone on AT&T.
Not to say that I regret buying the Atrix 2, it's a great phone, but it's safe to say that unless Motorola majorly revamps their customer service/relations I'll never be buying another phone from them.
I love my A2. They make brilliant devices, but as you said the way they are treating their loyal customers is unacceptable.
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That is fine just look at the bright side ^_^ once they release those unlocked devices our devs can simply port it over to locked counter part ^_^v can't wait they should release it we can buy, dump and return hehehe.
Just a clarification: If they release an Atrix 2 developers edition...
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That is fine just look at the bright side ^_^ once they release those unlocked devices our devs can simply port it over to locked counter part ^_^v can't wait they should release it we can buy, dump and return hehehe.
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Sadly it doesn't work that way... our Atrix 2's are encrypted with a different key than the Development Razr's... we can't just "port" it, otherwise we would have done so with the Bionic.
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Sadly it doesn't work that way... our Atrix 2's are encrypted with a different key than the Development Razr's... we can't just "port" it, otherwise we would have done so with the Bionic.
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I was just about to post this/ask a question on it.
Just remember reading somewhere (possibly here) that the dev edition phones use different hardware/software??
Im saying if they release a developer edition of atrix 2 not the razr one
Hi everyone,
After reading this article, and the recent blaming game between LG and Google over low supply of Nexus 4,
http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/21/...rking-with-motorola-to-design-its-own-x-phone
Theoretically, if LG would make the Nexus 5 from their own flagship device of Optimus G Pro, most consumers would definitely choose the cheaper version Nexus 5 and it would definitely be a business loss for LG flagship device'slow sales (Optimus G Pro)
I think it only make sense that Google would manufacture their next flagship device by their own OEM, Motorola Mobile division. and perhaps if this will be true. Motorola brand would return its good press impression in the mobile tech world.
what do you think, guys?
I think Google will tap Motorola to build a stock Android device eventually. But when ? Most think maybe end of this year, possibly the Nexus-Five.
Others say no, Google is afraid of pissing off partners like Samsung, HTC, Sony, etc...And we might never see a Motorola Nexus.
Time will tell, but doubt we hear any news until Google I/O in May, and even then don't surprise to hear no Motorola news. I think it might be 2014.
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I think Google/Motorola will be cranking out phones in a year or two.
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Lot of news and rumors building around the Xphone recently. I think it WILL be announced in May. It'd be perfect time. Announce Android 5.0 on Xphone. Will be double breakthrough for Goog
I was hoping for an announcement at I/O, but if Google's CFO was speaking truth and not misdirection, it seems like the chances of that happening are less than I originally hoped. I'm running with my Toro right now, and it is sufficing thanks to some great ROMs (see MMuzzy's at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762846), but I would love to get my hands on newer tech. The real question right now for me tho is, which carrier will that be with??
They are gonna be separate device imo. :silly: nexus 5 will release in october-ish and "x" phone in summer. I want to buy any fro th either of two (would prefer nexus) which releases quicker. I'm not buying the nexus 4 cuz i'm waiting for either the nexus 5 or motorola "x" , hopefully the motorolla x will run stock android.
They worked together already a while back when creating the XOOM By Google and it was a complete success, I wouldn't mind if the next Nexus phone be Motorola... But I always wanted even after realizing that it's almost impossible; an Asus phone .. "ASUS Nexus 5 by Google" Ohh that sounds sweet, BUT...
I have a maxx and I believe they are done with updating this phone due to being bought out by lenova. Anybody know any news on this...
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Really did you just ask this question? We will get 4.4.2 and even the next update our phones are 6 months old hell moto is updating the RAZR and M how old are they. I so tired of all the negativity against lenova and stupid posts like this one. Fear mongering that all this post is about. Unless you have something of probative value on this subject do me a favor and keep your ? To yourself.
The Lenovo deal is not finalized yet. Google still owns Motorola.
Why would Lenovo not want to update the phone? Also, Motorola is still rolling out updates to the X, after the Lenovo deal was announced. The Lenovo deal was negotiated late last year, and updates still continue. Motorola just announced a new watch that was developed before the deal. Frankly, I don't think anything is going to change.
Lenovo is going to want to start out by keeping their active customer base happy... The first thing they don't want to do is piss off everyone they just acquired. I'm certain Motorola will roll out 4.4.2 before Lenovo takes over. Lenovo should keep updates coming at least until they have their own line of superior phones.
A buyout like this isn't over night. Can take a couple of years to finalize.
Why does everyone care about updates so much?
Wasn't there talks from Google about phones will only receive updates until they are 1.5/2 years old? Or do I have the times wrong.
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Wasn't there talks from Google about phones will only receive updates until they are 1.5/2 years old? Or do I have the times wrong.
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Kinda but you have it backwards. It was that they WILL received updates for 18 months but that has never really been a firm thing and it's still up to providers. This doesn't mean they will stop receiving updates after that 18 months though. Motorola has shown a willingness to update timely and I have no doubt that will continue. I'm sure the hold up is playing the Verizon game.
From what I understand its not really Motorola that holds the updates. Its Verizon they receive the update for said phones and they add their little programs and secret squirrel crap to the update before the consumer receives it.
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So since there is no root for 4.4 without bootloader unlock there is no much sense for VZW to push 4.4.2 =)
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So since there is no root for 4.4 without bootloader unlock there is no much sense for VZW to push 4.4.2 =)
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I have a locked boot loader with 4.4 and I'm rooted
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Yeah but you gained root on 4.2.2 then took the update. Run an fxz and your root is bye bye because you can't root 4.4
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So did I. But portion these people is small too =) All new phones comes with 4.4, problem solved. Most people got updated first and then checked for root options.
That's exactly what happened to me and also what pushed me into the "potential bootloader unlock" game but all said and done I'm glad it happened that way living life to the Maxx is so much easier now...
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doogald said:
The Lenovo deal is not finalized yet. Google still owns Motorola.
Why would Lenovo not want to update the phone? Also, Motorola is still rolling out updates to the X, after the Lenovo deal was announced. The Lenovo deal was negotiated late last year, and updates still continue. Motorola just announced a new watch that was developed before the deal. Frankly, I don't think anything is going to change.
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Lenovo wont even give us there own phones they make money on. Why would they update something they make $0 off of at this point?
Look at there android tablets. I havent seen anything of updates on them in a while.
It's going to be a while for 4.4.2. David Schuster just said on his g+ page " I understand your frustration, we are also frustrated. We have been working to get you this upgrade as quickly as we can but there have been some unforeseen delays with requirement changes. We are actively working on getting you this update."
In other words Verizon is insisting on more ways to make your phone theirs.
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It's going to be a while for 4.4.2. David Schuster just said on his g+ page " I understand your frustration, we are also frustrated. We have been working to get you this upgrade as quickly as we can but there have been some unforeseen delays with requirement changes. We are actively working on getting you this update."
In other words Verizon is insisting on more ways to make your phone theirs.
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All they have to say is NO. But they won't. The Droid line Motorola has made for years any other provider would take if they could get it. TMZ started with these crazy loud videos playing that you couldn't pause or turn off the volume about a year back. With Android 4.4 Google said NO and now the app crashes each time it try to open with a video ad.
If Samsung, HTC, and Motorola got together and stopped letting Verizon screw up there software with extra crap it would all be fine. Apple said NO.. Guess what.. They still sell the iPhone.
Motorola is contracted by Verizon to make the droid branded phones for them. This isn't like the X, or the HTC one, or the samsung galaxy or note phones, or the lg phones - Verizon hired Motorola to make the droids, rather than Motorola coming to Verizon with a phone to sell. Moto has no choice but to follow Verizon's specifications. They can't say no, and they definitely can't update the phone without Verizon's approval.
The iPhone is completely different. The carriers are begging apple to sell the phone, rather than the other way around. Apple has power in that sort of relationship that no other phone OEM has, and probably will have for a long time, if ever.
David schuster said the fix would take "a number of weeks". So, by the end of May? Is that really that long a time?
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All they have to say is NO. But they won't. The Droid line Motorola has made for years any other provider would take if they could get it. TMZ started with these crazy loud videos playing that you couldn't pause or turn off the volume about a year back. With Android 4.4 Google said NO and now the app crashes each time it try to open with a video ad.
If Samsung, HTC, and Motorola got together and stopped letting Verizon screw up there software with extra crap it would all be fine. Apple said NO.. Guess what.. They still sell the iPhone.
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You simply don't get how this works.
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Motorola is contracted by Verizon to make the droid branded phones for them. This isn't like the X, or the HTC one, or the samsung galaxy or note phones, or the lg phones - Verizon hired Motorola to make the droids, rather than Motorola coming to Verizon with a phone to sell. Moto has no choice but to follow Verizon's specifications. They can't say no, and they definitely can't update the phone without Verizon's approval.
The iPhone is completely different. The carriers are begging apple to sell the phone, rather than the other way around. Apple has power in that sort of relationship that no other phone OEM has, and probably will have for a long time, if ever.
David schuster said the fix would take "a number of weeks". So, by the end of May? Is that really that long a time?
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Best answer I have read in weeks!
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The title on this thread. The thread needs to go away.
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