With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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Adrozz07 said:
With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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I don't think HTC will unlock bootloaders at all, I think they gonna make unlockable bootloaders which is a different thing.
To the topic who know we'll know more when the photon 4G comes to Sprint since it sounds like the bionicand if the bootloader is unlockable then is most likely the Verizon doesn't like unlockable bootloaders
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jgalan14 said:
I don't think HTC will unlock bootloaders at all, I think they gonna make unlockable bootloaders which is a different thing.
To the topic who know we'll know more when the photon 4G comes to Sprint since it sounds like the bionicand if the bootloader is unlockable then is most likely the Verizon doesn't like unlockable bootloaders
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Sorry for my wording. Unlockable is of course what I meant.
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Adrozz07 said:
With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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HTC said that the unlocking of bootloaders will ultimately be in the wireless carrier's hands as far as the final say so. Verizon does not have a good track record for being community friendly.
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HTC said that the unlocking of bootloaders will ultimately be in the wireless carrier's hands as far as the final say so. Verizon does not have a good track record for being community friendly.
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Because not caring about people rooting is very anti-community..
What phones were you expecting them to unlock? The ones that have bootloaders that have already been bypassed? lol
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HTC said that the unlocking of bootloaders will ultimately be in the wireless carrier's hands as far as the final say so. Verizon does not have a good track record for being community friendly.
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This.
Expect to have to continue unlocking bootloaders the hard way. At least HTC phones are relatively easy to crack. Now Motorola... my old Droid X is still not fully unlocked and likely never will be. Oh well, so happy I got my Thunderbolt. It's been one hell of a device. Even if HTC cannot fully uphold their claim to having unlockable bootloaders, I still prefer them because so far it seems most of the time they CAN be unlocked, eventually. That's reason enough for me to choose them over M anyday. Not to mention their build quality just feels nice.
Yeah, Verizon hasn't been very community-friendly. But that doesn't explain why certain LG and Samsung devices have launched without any sort of bootloader lockdowns.
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Yeah, Verizon hasn't been very community-friendly. But that doesn't explain why certain LG and Samsung devices have launched without any sort of bootloader lockdowns.
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As far as I know, every Android phone has a locked bootloader. I may be mistaken though.
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Not to mention the fact one of the Grand Poobahs at Motorola came right out and said if you want an unlocked phone don't bother with the Bionic.
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DaRkL3AD3R said:
This.
Expect to have to continue unlocking bootloaders the hard way. At least HTC phones are relatively easy to crack. Now Motorola... my old Droid X is still not fully unlocked and likely never will be. Oh well, so happy I got my Thunderbolt. It's been one hell of a device. Even if HTC cannot fully uphold their claim to having unlockable bootloaders, I still prefer them because so far it seems most of the time they CAN be unlocked, eventually. That's reason enough for me to choose them over M anyday. Not to mention their build quality just feels nice.
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This is why I am done with Motorola.
Adrozz07 said:
With the recent announcement that HTC will be unlocking bootloaders on new devices via OTA releases in the "near" future, I find it odd that there wasn't a Verizon phone in the lineup. Especially since Verizon claimed that it was a manufacture issue, not one from the carrier. Is anyone privy to info that could ultimately reveal what the official stance and relation is?
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Verizon lie? NEVER!
I honestly believe that HTC, Motorola, etc. don't give a ****e about locking bootloaders. Blame the carriers.
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All three of these guys have claimed they will be more developer friendly and intend on providing unlockable bootloaders in their future devices. However, as of yet only Samsung has actually shipped their powerhouse devices unencrypted. HTC has promised to release future patches that will unlock their devices. Motorola made pretty much one statement about offering unencrypted devices but has yet to release any details and all of their devices since that statement (bar the Xoom) have been released with encrypted boot loaders.
The question is, does this have a major impact on who you decide to support with your hard earned cash?
as a beginner in the development industry, i believe Motorola will hold the key from now on. Why? Because Motorola is now Google. Simple as that
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as a beginner in the development industry, i believe Motorola will hold the key from now on. Why? Because Motorola is now Google. Simple as that
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I think it still has to be approved...
Motorola-Google is approved today both in the US and in Europe.
As for the question, it does. I want a phone that I know will be maintainable. Even if that is not by the manufacturer. I think of my phone like a car. I spent a lot of money on it and I need it to last for a long time. If the manufacturer stops servicing it, I need to be able to service it myself.
The next Nexus is hopefully a Motorola with an unlocked bootloader.
Nexus Razr. Ha
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The next Nexus is hopefully a Motorola with an unlocked bootloader.
Nexus Razr. Ha
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That doesn't actually sound bad at all, or maybe Droid Nexus, Nexus MAXX, as long as it's not exclusive to VZW
Motorola all the way!
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Wasn't it only done through a leaked build of upcoming gingerbread update for Atrix though? Not really applicable for us, is it?
Atrix sales suck. Xoom sales suck. Nobody believes Motorola will unlock anything. Motorola can't afford Bionic sales to suck, but plans to release it with a locked bootloader, anyway. Minimal effort to get the blogosphere on your side: leak bootloader. Unlock other devices? Won't bother.
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Mioze7Ae said:
Atrix sales suck. Xoom sales suck. Nobody believes Motorola will unlock anything. Motorola can't afford Bionic sales to suck, but plans to release it with a locked bootloader, anyway. Minimal effort to get the blogosphere on your side: leak bootloader. Unlock other devices? Won't bother.
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1 The Xoom-bootloader is already unlocked.
2 The Atrix-bootloader is leaked here. Motorola would've unlocked it with the 2.3-upgrade. And if you don't believe me, ask the devs who found it. They'll tell you they would.
And Xoom-sales suck? There is too much demand for the Xoom here in The Netherlands. All store are out of stock at the moment and still a lot of people want it.
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1 The Xoom-bootloader is already unlocked.
2 The Atrix-bootloader is leaked here. Motorola would've unlocked it with the 2.3-upgrade. And if you don't believe me, ask the devs who found it. They'll tell you they would.
And Xoom-sales suck? There is too much demand for the Xoom here in The Netherlands. All store are out of stock at the moment and still a lot of people want it.
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From what I've read, Xoom is only unlocked in the US. Xoom sales sucking was widely reported when Motorola Mobility released their financials. I'm sorry supply is low in your neck of the woods.
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Wasn't it only done through a leaked build of upcoming gingerbread update for Atrix though? Not really applicable for us, is it?
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No... not really.
But i though that it was news worthy... since this applies to all Motorola products, being unlocked or not i mean.
The Atrix's bootloader was shipped locked and now will be unlocked so if the XT720 was shipped locked... there is still a chance right?> just my 2 centsed
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Wasn't it only done through a leaked build of upcoming gingerbread update for Atrix though? Not really applicable for us, is it?
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hellmonger said:
No... not really.
But i though that it was news worthy... since this applies to all Motorola products, being unlocked or not i mean.
The Atrix's bootloader was shipped locked and now will be unlocked so if the XT720 was shipped locked... there is still a chance right?> just my 2 centsed
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I thought I read that it came from a leak of a Motorola GB release too. I don't think anyone has cracked the bootloader yet.
Motorola Mark on getsatisfaction found a polite way to convey that unlocking XT720 has a snowball's chance in hell. But he also doesn't know anything about Cincinnati Bell's upgrade. Which means one of two things...
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I thought I read that it came from a leak of a Motorola GB release too. I don't think anyone has cracked the bootloader yet.
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yeah it's a leak...
http://wiki.rootzwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Motorola_Atrix
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Motorola Mark on getsatisfaction found a polite way to convey that unlocking XT720 has a snowball's chance in hell. But he also doesn't know anything about Cincinnati Bell's upgrade. Which means one of two things...
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Sounds like we're screwed....
Mioze7Ae said:
From what I've read, Xoom is only unlocked in the US. Xoom sales sucking was widely reported when Motorola Mobility released their financials. I'm sorry supply is low in your neck of the woods.
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Xoom is unlocked on all versions. Just need to do the fastboot oem unlock thing.
I'd argue that Motorola's android sales aren't horrendous, if you just consider the number of Vzn droid devices in the states.
true news? if its true would be damn great!!
All I know is that according to disgruntled Xoom users on reddit in the continuous "where the hell is SD card support?!?!" posts, Google handles Xoom's software in the US (and has not released SD card support) but the US version has fastboot oem unlock and that Xoom software on at least some non-US versions is handled by Motorola (which has released SD card support outside the US) but these devices lack fastboot oem unlock.
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@Mioze7Ae: I have a Xoom 3G myself. The Dutch one, so European. And I can confirm that the bootloader is unlockable here via fastboot oem unlock.
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I thought I read that it came from a leak of a Motorola GB release too. I don't think anyone has cracked the bootloader yet.
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A Motorola GB-release for the Atrix leaked. The release contained the unlockable bootloader-thing. So yeah, it's cracked as the devs now have control over that leaked upgrade which unlocks the bootloader.
http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/06/28/motorola-mobility-slumps-anew-after-analyst-downgrade/
It's kind of satisfying seeing Motorola take hits like this. Makes me wonder how they ever thought the idea of making phones and then ditching the people who bought it was a good idea. Their lack of updates and locked phones has certainly got them into this mess.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/06/28/motorola-mobility-slumps-anew-after-analyst-downgrade/
it's kind of satisfying seeing motorola take hits like this. Makes me wonder how they ever thought the idea of making phones and then ditching the people who bought it was a good idea. Their lack of updates and locked phones has certainly got them into this mess.
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yes!!! F#%$ you moto!!!!
hi as the title says i was just wondering if someone is or plans to work on a crack for the verizon version of the razr hd... i plan on getting one tomorrow but it would seem the developer version is only available without a plan and i just started one. if theres any alternative let me know please and thank you
If you can afford it just buy the Dev. You can just switch it over to your current plan.
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yea thats exactly it i can't afford it =( o well thanks though
Other than that then Verizon has no plans to let their normal HD be unlocked. Maybe the devs can come up with something?
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can it be cracked? Definitely, just look at the Galaxy S3. But will enough developers get on the Razr HD to make it happen? That idk. I don't remember the first Razr getting cracked but rather kexec releases which still brings custom roms. I think that is a great possibility
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can it be cracked? Definitely, just look at the Galaxy S3. But will enough developers get on the Razr HD to make it happen? That idk. I don't remember the first Razr getting cracked but rather kexec releases which still brings custom roms. I think that is a great possibility
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Samsung bootloaders vs Motorola's big difference... kexec still doesn't fully work on the old RAZR
And they are coming out with more and more snooping software
Its not looking good for a unlocked boot loader on Verizon... sucks cause I'm in that boat...and I hated that with the RAZR
We need some killer devs bottom line
This phone is sick I'm surprised more people are not here yet
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lucidvtec said:
This phone is sick I'm surprised more people are not here yet
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The phone just came to market about a week and a half ago, and isn't cheap. Patience is a virtue I'm sure it will happen, this phone is mad ridiculous. Haven't even rooted it yet and loving everything about it.
I'm sorry if this has been posted somewhere else on this forum, but I couldn't find it anywhere.
djrbliss has supposedly found an exploit to unlock the bootloader on most current Motorola phones, including possibly the XT926 as some people in the thread have claimed. Here's the link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32888705#post32888705
Can anyone else back up this information? I'd have thought this would have made a bigger deal here, since the biggest downside of my RAZR MAXX HD, in my opinion, is the locked bootloader.
Does the motofail2go unlock the bootloader, or just root the phone? I was under the impression that the two were completely different beasts...
Yea I was under the impression that is the root exploit. He mentioned unlocked bootloader because you don't need an exploit to root those.
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Yea I was under the impression that is the root exploit. He mentioned unlocked bootloader because you don't need an exploit to root those.
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Ah, I see. I saw it linked from another article somewhere saying that it was a bootloader unlock. I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the thread itself after i saw the words unlocked bootloader in the OP. Sorry about that.
bootloader unlock
Recently went out and picked up a moto razr maxx hd only to find that moto is no allowing US models to be unlocked through their site. I went through all of the steps to get the device id: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-b only to find out I cant unlock because my phone was purchased in the US:
HOW DO I TELL IF MY DEVICE HAS AN UNLOCKABLE/RE-LOCKABLE BOOTLOADER?
This depends on a few factors. First is whether the device ships with a bootloader that is capable of being unlocked or re-locked. Second is whether the wireless carrier that sells the device allows the bootloader to be unlocked, as each of our operator partners has their own policy. As new devices are released, please check the bootloader introduction page. You will be able to check whether your device shipped with an unlockable bootloader. We will be adding devices to this list regularly.
As of August 2012, the only Motorola devices which can be unlocked are:
Photon Q 4G LTE (Sprint)
RAZR Developer Edition (Europe Only)
XOOM
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...ICE_HAS_AN_UNLOCKABLE/RE-LOCKABLE_BOOTLOADER?
Heres to hoping things get sorted, I'll gladly donate to whomever can do it effectively...
Oh my, more choices.
Not sure if I should hold out for these versions but from my understanding either this dev or google version will only be 16gb?
Where as there is a 32gb currently with at&t?
http://phandroid.com/2013/05/23/galaxy-s4-developer-edition/
SysAdmNj said:
Oh my, more choices.
Not sure if I should hold out for these version but from my understanding either this dev or google version will only be 16gb?
Where as there is a 32gb currently with at&t?
http://phandroid.com/2013/05/23/galaxy-s4-developer-edition/
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damn them. lol
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damn them. lol
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Even more AT&T S4's will be on Swappa, craigslist, and ebay. All depending on the price of course. I would think it would have to come under the Google edition price for folks to be interested.
If this is priced under the Google Edition, I'll probably be putting mine up on craigslist when the Developer Edition it comes out.
Unless, of course, this could help Adam or Dan or someone else find a permanent unlock for the bootloader...
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If this is priced under the Google Edition, I'll probably be putting mine up on craigslist when the Developer Edition it comes out.
Unless, of course, this could help Adam or Dan or someone else find a permanent unlock for the bootloader...
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at&t pricing under the google edition? I seriously doubt it.
Wonder if at&t will release it before google. Samsung really whoring themselves out with this galaxy model this time around huh
Don't look now but rumor has it that HTC is coming out with a Google edition soon.
Nice! This is what I have been waiting for, best of both worlds. Just wish it was the 32gb.
If it's subsidized, I will be picking one up! Still have 2 upgrades available!!
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Don't look now but rumor has it that HTC is coming out with a Google edition soon.
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Htc one Google edition, developer edtion, or the at&t developer edition either way I liked the sgs4 screen much better.
I dont understand the point of this phone. Why not just release one model with the unlocked boot loader?
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Will LOKI ROMs and kernels even work on these phones?
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Will LOKI ROMs and kernels even work on these phones?
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They won't need loki patched roms. Bootloader is unlocked on those versions
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They won't need loki patched roms. Bootloader is unlocked on those versions
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So developers will be releasing two versions of their ROMs and kernels? One LOKI and one not?
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So developers will be releasing two versions of their ROMs and kernels? One LOKI and one not?
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No. They are not required to do so. However as a courtesy some will.
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AutoUnion said:
I dont understand the point of this phone. Why not just release one model with the unlocked boot loader?
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Two Words
MORE MONEY!!!
and to screw the people that bought the locked version of the phone!! your phone WILL be worth alot less when they hit the market. now that everybody has *****ed and blogged about the bootloader being locked on AT&T
Rotary Parts said:
Two Words
MORE MONEY!!!
and to screw the people that bought the locked version of the phone!! your phone WILL be worth alot less when they hit the market. now that everybody has *****ed and blogged about the bootloader being locked on AT&T
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nope. 99% of the people buying the phone just want the phone to use, not to mod.
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nope. 99% of the people buying the phone just want the phone to use, not to mod.
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Thank you for pointing this out.
Half of the people posting on these threads no idea how to root/mod/flash anything as it is and are learning. Half of the people I talk to about my s4 being rooted don't even know what it means, I say ROM, they go "Whats thats!"
When I sold my s3, the guy had no real concept of what it meant when I said It was rooted running a stock rom...
"What does that mean?"
"Um... let me put it this way... You're getting better battery life, features, and all sorts of stuff than a regular S3 is..."
Rotary Parts said:
Two Words
MORE MONEY!!!
and to screw the people that bought the locked version of the phone!! your phone WILL be worth alot less when they hit the market. now that everybody has *****ed and blogged about the bootloader being locked on AT&T
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Don't think the phone will be worth less. Once the boot loader exploit is out, you don't have to deal with any of these issues
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I currently have a Verizon Galaxy S4 and all in all i'm happy with it but there's one HUGE fault for me. The bootloader isn't unlockable. I'm the type of person who really loves customization and well you can see why this is a problem for me. What would be another option similar in specs that would have an unlockable bootloader + root methods available?
The phone i currently want would be an HTC One or HTC One (M8), but i'm not sure as to if it's bootloader is unlockable so if someone who knows could tell me i'd be grateful. (I would Google it but it's 3:30 am in the morning and i can't think straight enough to think of what to Google )
S1L3nTShaDoWz said:
I currently have a Verizon Galaxy S4 and all in all i'm happy with it but there's one HUGE fault for me. The bootloader isn't unlockable. I'm the type of person who really loves customization and well you can see why this is a problem for me. What would be another option similar in specs that would have an unlockable bootloader + root methods available?
The phone i currently want would be an HTC One or HTC One (M8), but i'm not sure as to if it's bootloader is unlockable so if someone who knows could tell me i'd be grateful. (I would Google it but it's 3:30 am in the morning and i can't think straight enough to think of what to Google )
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Nexus 5! No more problems with bootloaders, knox or risk of bricking
HTC One M8 Developer Editions will have an unlocked bootloader I guess...
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I wish
sharkware said:
Nexus 5! No more problems with bootloaders, knox or risk of bricking
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I had my eyes set on that a week ago and was going to get one until I came across stuff about it being incompatible with Verizon so I dropped it and found another. Was I wrong and it'll work with them?
Ya
Ferris Cruiser said:
HTC One M8 Developer Editions will have an unlocked bootloader I guess...
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Yeah well I'm going with a contract phone because at the moment I don't have $700 to blow on Smartphones
I wish though