Boycott Nvidia? Hell No! - T-Mobile LG G2x

Boycott Nvidia? Hell No! - T-Mobile LG G2x

I've read on many a thread to not buy the next Nvidia quadcore equipped phones, just because Nvidia isn't very open with their source code.
I say Hell No! If anyone, especially in the cellphone business knows about gaming, it's Nvidia.
Video games are the state of the art in software. It the most demanding kind of software on computer hardware, and Nvidia is an expert in this area.
The G2x was meant to be first and foremost a GAMING device disguised as a super smartphone, and almost a year after it's release it's showing it's potential with PSP looking graphics in games such as GTA 3, Frontline Commando, 9 MM, and many new releases in the month of Nov/Dec.
Most of the other phones that don't have a Nvidia chip has massive framerate drops and struggle to play these new breed of cellphone games smoothly.
Also, when the G2x does get the ICS update it'll extend the life of the phone maybe another year or 2 just because now the operating system should fully support multiple cores thereby tapping into every bit of power the Tegra 2 has to run more smartly future videogames adapted to take advantage of the phones particular architecture.
Me, I'm staying with Nvidia and I suggest anyone that wants a powerful phone for entertainment (not just videogames but any sort of media) fully support Nvidia and their upcoming powerhouse Tegra chips.

jacob808 said:
I've read on many a thread to not buy the next Nvidia quadcore equipped phones, just because Nvidia isn't very open with their source code.
I say Hell No! If anyone, especially in the cellphone business knows about gaming, it's Nvidia.
Video games are the state of the art in software. It the most demanding kind of software on computer hardware, and Nvidia is an expert in this area.
The G2x was meant to be first and foremost a GAMING device disguised as a super smartphone, and almost a year after it's release it's showing it's potential with PSP looking graphics in games such as GTA 3, Frontline Commando, 9 MM, and many new releases in the month of Nov/Dec.
Most of the other phones that don't have a Nvidia chip has massive framerate drops and struggle to play these new breed of cellphone games smoothly.
Also, when the G2x does get the ICS update it'll extend the life of the phone maybe another year or 2 just because now the operating system should fully support multiple cores thereby tapping into every bit of power the Tegra 2 has to run more smartly future videogames adapted to take advantage of the phones particular architecture.
Me, I'm staying with Nvidia and I suggest anyone that wants a powerful phone for entertainment (not just videogames but any sort of media) fully support Nvidia and their upcoming powerhouse Tegra chips.
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Sorry, but between NVIDIA's insane attitude towards open source software and companies like LG who are utterly inept at properly coding, maintaining and updating Android devices...no. Without the necessary code to update and improve the phone ourselves without tons of necessary workaround coding that is having to be done to port updates (like ICS) to our phones, dev support for Tegra 2 devices will be slim in the next year or so. There is absolutely no doubt that LG will delay, waffle and even possibly just never update the G2x in the first place, and that's hoping that update won't be another buggy mess that has to be cleaned up by independent developers in the first place like the Froyo and Gingerbread builds were.
I'll pass on buying another NVIDIA product. I stopped buying their PC products a LONG time ago because of their poor support and quality (don't even get me started on their Linux drivers), and I should have stayed away from their mobile processors too.
That's not even beginning to counter your assertions that most of the games you mention only run on Tegra processors well. The Tegra 2 isn't the best mobile processor by any means (although it is nice), almost no games were ever made to actually take advantage of the GPU any more than any other Android device's GPU and in fact the Tegra zone games run just fine on other processors once you remove the device check. O yeah, and it handles almost all native high resolution videos poorly, even in YouTube for crying out loud.

None of the games you mention are Tegra games...not one... Have you seen tegra zone? Its a disgrace. BTW the reason tegra games don't work on other phones is not because our phones are that much superior, but because the game checks to see if your phone has a tegra chip, if it doesn't, it won't even boot, but people have made an app that bypasses this check so even people using the SGS2 can play our so called "unique to tegra" games.
Sorry, not to be rude or offensive, but I don't think you know what you're talking about =\
Also, this quote:
Most of the other phones that don't have a Nvidia chip has massive framerate drops and struggle to play these new breed of cellphone games smoothly.
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^^ is pretty funny hehe
EDIT: I might be wrong about the way the phone plays Tegra games, I believe Tegra specific games are coded differently (NOT STANDARD) so that's why other phones can't play them. Some smart people made an app that can read this code and play the game on phones like the Galaxy S2, I remember reading about it when the SGS2 barely came out.
Either way...

psychoace said:
a lot of your complaints seem to not be g2x specific. everyone is having the exact same problems the g2x is having with ICS because its the same problem across all boards. a lot of drivers are not open sourced. even in the source release drivers are compiled and presented as modules. the reason it seems worse for the g2x is because there are so few tegra 2 devices to rip files from. there are tons of snap dragon and hummingbird devices out there that its easier to fix some problems. what your asking from
nvidia is more then what you will get from anyone else you might jump too
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Believe it or not, Qualcomm releases open source for their chips (and devs like the CM team are having an extremely easy time of porting ICS to many of those devices for that very same reason, OMAP4 is just first as the Galaxy Nexus is OMAP4 itself and therefore faster to port). Your post appeared to be about the Tegra 2 chipset, which is why you got a response about the Tegra 2 chipset. While my complaints are not necessarily G2x specific, they are very much so about the Tegra 2, and by extension all are also directly related to the G2x as all of them exist on the G2x also due to it being run by the very same chipset...

Its amazing how when someone comes along with an educated opinion, how many omniscient people are members here. We should change the name from xda to I know everything and everyone else is wrong. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Nice point bro, nvidia does do games well. They don't have to make them, their job is to run them efficiently.
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On a positive note:
1. The Tegra 2 really is a nice chipset, it does some graphics very well and while some of the Adreno models are superior they don't tend to have well coded drivers on some phones.
2. NVFlash - While in some ways this is limiting (not being able to flash the recovery otherwise, Rom Manager isn't really great on Tegra 2 devices as you cannot use the recovery on the actual recovery partition), this pretty much makes the phone nearly unbrickable and far easier to root than many other devices being as you can just NVFlash CWM and flash away.
3. I love my G2x and would love to use it as my daily driver for at least another year or so, unless some phone comes out that has both amazing processing power AND vastly improved battery technology. Batteries are really what is holding mobile computing back at this time, and current battery technology is why the battery life on new cell phones and devices like the 3DS and (reportedly) the Vita suffer, as while processing power has increased exponentially, battery life has not really improved at all.
Now, it does have some issues:
1. NVIDIA is not likely to ever release source, which pretty much spells death for the phone as far as updates are concerned as soon as LG stops updating the phone or NVIDIA has a change of heart. LG's update history is pretty sordid. Devs WILL get tired of trying to find workarounds to get basic hardware functions like hardware acceleration, sound, and bluetooth working when other phones have hardware that is far easier to code for (and often with open sourced drivers, at least enough to update the drivers to run on newer versions of Android).
2. There are issues with certain (many) formats of video running in 720/1080p that the Tegra 2 chipset stutters on. As there is no hardware acceleration for these video formats in the Tegra 2, it all has to be done in software which these devices seem to have trouble with.
3. The Tegra 2 has a limited amount of bus to work with, while not a problem most of the time and helped by the decent amount of cache on the chip, this occasionally causes some traffic jams.
4. The G2x has a somewhat limited amount of RAM with only 512MB total and a good chunk of that dedicated to the GPU. That said, that's really not that bad considering just how recent being able to have that much RAM was possible in such a small device really is.
Note: I am not an expert by any means and what I say is not to be taken as the absolute truth. I am merely a device enthusiast who happens to really love his Asus Transformer and G2x (both Tegra 2 devices) and I try to spend time learning about how they work and hoping that those with far more skill than I will ever have continue to love and support our wonderful toys.

mustangtim49 said:
Its amazing how when someone comes along with an educated opinion, how many omniscient people are members here. We should change the name from xda to I know everything and everyone else is wrong. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Nice point bro, nvidia does do games well. They don't have to make them, their job is to run them efficiently.
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I'll cut my left nut before i buy another NVIDIA phone, even LG is not getting my business, had ti buy 3 TVs for xmas, guess what was one of my choices ....LG and guess what even tho they were cheap i did not buy them, same thing goes with the next rig i build NO NVIDIA. They did us soo bad with the ****ty GB update, if it wasn't because of the lawsuit we would have never received it, thanks cm team, the hell with NVIDIA & LG. If i want cool graphics ill play 360 or ps3, i want my phone fast, smooth and trouble free.
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!

fcisco13 said:
I'll cut my left nut before i buy another NVIDIA phone, even LG is not getting my business, had ti buy 3 TVs for xmas, guess what was one of my choices ....LG and guess what even tho they were cheap i did not buy them, same thing goes with the next rig i build NO NVIDIA. They did us soo bad with the ****ty GB update, if it wasn't because of the lawsuit we would have never received it, thanks cm team, the hell with NVIDIA & LG. If i want cool graphics ill play 360 or ps3, i want my phone fast, smooth and trouble free.
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!
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Off topic, but if you don't want to deal with NVIDIA, AMD makes some very nice video cards that have been properly trouncing NVIDIA's offerings for over a year now, AND they have far more open source and Linux support available to boot! They also designed the GPUs in the Wii and the 360 (the 360's GPU was actually fairly impressive at the time and Nintendo buys older, cheaper and more stable hardware on purpose, which the GPU in the Wii is). Also, all Adreno GPUs are actually based on the ATi Imageon GPUs.

I say stay with nvidia its not out fault cyanogen mod is so stubborn that they have to not use the original drivers just so there build.prop says 2.3.7 instead of 2.3.3 there's no difference
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I'll stick to boycotting nvidia. I'd rather my money goes to a company that will support me. I'd also rather own a phone that isn't a nightmare for devs to upgrade that devs will probably lose interesting in developing for sooner.

ZeroT| Demented said:
I say stay with nvidia its not out fault cyanogen mod is so stubborn that they have to not use the original drivers just so there build.prop says 2.3.7 instead of 2.3.3 there's no difference
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mjm128 said:
I'll stick to boycotting nvidia. I'd rather my money goes to a company that will support me. I'd also rather own a phone that isn't a nightmare for devs to upgrade that devs will probably lose interesting in developing for sooner.
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+1 you mean sooner as in lost interest now...
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!

G2X is king.
We will have ICS soon enough once cyanogenmod team releases it. What our devs did on here was kind as we got to play around on the beta rom, nobody should be complaining about any issues on it.
Bottom line= our phones our the best gaming mobiles til tegra 3 comes out( or intel releases their mobile with AMD gpu?) Ya some phones can play some of our exclusive THD games but not all of them, i bet not as smoothly either.
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ZeroT| Demented said:
I say stay with nvidia its not out fault cyanogen mod is so stubborn that they have to not use the original drivers just so there build.prop says 2.3.7 instead of 2.3.3 there's no difference
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Oh man... So much fail in this statement.

I will never get another nvidia powered mobile device. Even if you pay me. Such a crap.
I dont care for CM much.
What I want I real support from both LG and Nvidia. Not half assed responses and their blame game.
While, I admint its good gaming platform, it underperforms with playing of 1080p videos.
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JaiaV said:
Sorry, but between NVIDIA's insane attitude towards open source software and companies like LG who are utterly inept at properly coding, maintaining and updating Android devices...no. Without the necessary code to update and improve the phone ourselves without tons of necessary workaround coding that is having to be done to port updates (like ICS) to our phones, dev support for Tegra 2 devices will be slim in the next year or so. There is absolutely no doubt that LG will delay, waffle and even possibly just never update the G2x in the first place, and that's hoping that update won't be another buggy mess that has to be cleaned up by independent developers in the first place like the Froyo and Gingerbread builds were.
I'll pass on buying another NVIDIA product. I stopped buying their PC products a LONG time ago because of their poor support and quality (don't even get me started on their Linux drivers), and I should have stayed away from their mobile processors too.
That's not even beginning to counter your assertions that most of the games you mention only run on Tegra processors well. The Tegra 2 isn't the best mobile processor by any means (although it is nice), almost no games were ever made to actually take advantage of the GPU any more than any other Android device's GPU and in fact the Tegra zone games run just fine on other processors once you remove the device check. O yeah, and it handles almost all native high resolution videos poorly, even in YouTube for crying out loud.
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1. A bunch of yahoos seem to want to be the first to get ICS to boot on any device....this exercises is a complete waste. Your panties are all bunched up just to keep up with the Jones' down the street. Congrats
2. ICS is coming to the G2x in the first batch of devices that did not ship with it. Yes that is not fast enough for babies. Waaaa Waaaa They could just buy a device that ships with ICS. ".....crying out loud." awwwww
3. According to your logic, ever device and supplier to every device, sucks because a custom ROM was generated. Those superhero DEVs had to swoop in and fix everything.
4. The device that was perfect on its day of release that did not need a custom ROM is? What is the name of this unicorn of unicorn devices?
5. I don't believer there is a better game phone on the market right now....maybe some peers but nothing better of any significance. Are you upset about the ability of the G2X to run any games?
6. G2x not going through the menus fast enough for you? Really?
7. Just another complaint for the sake of benchmarking, or saying you have ICS first? Or is their something your phone is not doing for you? Something broken, that all these ROM available dispite LG and Nvidia is still having you want?
9. Any apps that you can not run?
I know you want to toss a tantrum on not having ICS, or scared that daddy won't provide you with ICS fast enough, but why so slow with your protest? Why not just get the heck out of here? Terminate your contract with T-Mobile, sell your phone for 200 easy, pay the 200 terminate fee, and go out and buy the phone that fills that empy void. Its does not cost you a thing to leave.
Or perhaps buying ICS is beyond your ability to not complain? Boycott this or that. Whinnnnnnnnne. The world of angst solved by just buying the phone you wanted for Christmas....how hard is this?
Yes ICS is not on the G2x when it released 8 months ago....it is so very terrible for this to be done to you. Nvidia and LG so very terrible to you. You poor little thing you.

tombaker1 said:
1. A bunch of yahoos seem to want to be the first to get ICS to boot on any device....this exercises is a complete waste. Your panties are all bunched up just to keep up with the Jones' down the street. Congrats
2. ICS is coming to the G2x in the first batch of devices that did not ship with it. Yes that is not fast enough for babies. Waaaa Waaaa They could just buy a device that ships with ICS. ".....crying out loud." awwwww
3. According to your logic, ever device and supplier to every device, sucks because a custom ROM was generated. Those superhero DEVs had to swoop in and fix everything.
4. The device that was perfect on its day of release that did not need a custom ROM is? What is the name of this unicorn of unicorn devices?
5. I don't believer there is a better game phone on the market right now....maybe some peers but nothing better of any significance. Are you upset about the ability of the G2X to run any games?
6. G2x not going through the menus fast enough for you? Really?
7. Just another complaint for the sake of benchmarking, or saying you have ICS first? Or is their something your phone is not doing for you? Something broken, that all these ROM available dispite LG and Nvidia is still having you want?
9. Any apps that you can not run?
I know you want to toss a tantrum on not having ICS, or scared that daddy won't provide you with ICS fast enough, but why so slow with your protest? Why not just get the heck out of here? Terminate your contract with T-Mobile, sell your phone for 200 easy, pay the 200 terminate fee, and go out and buy the phone that fills that empy void. Its does not cost you a thing to leave.
Or perhaps buying ICS is beyond your ability to not complain? Boycott this or that. Whinnnnnnnnne. The world of angst solved by just buying the phone you wanted for Christmas....how hard is this?
Yes ICS is not on the G2x when it released 8 months ago....it is so very terrible for this to be done to you. Nvidia and LG so very terrible to you. You poor little thing you.
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Are you aware how off topic your reply was? His complaint is with the fact that nvidia and/or LG make it unnecessarily difficult to make custom roms for the g2x due to a lack of embracing the Android community and open source.
It's why cm7 and MIUI run smoother on the vastly underpowered nexus one than the G2x.
An ics port would be done by now if not for the devs having to work around these restrictions.

I am not bothering to argue why boycotting NVIDIA is necessary, there's plenty of reasons to. The G2X is the last anything with NVIDIA I buy and probably LG too.

Again video game software has always influenced computer manufacturers to develop more powerful hardware, and modern day cell phones are minature PCs.
Most of the people advocating boycotting Nvidia don't realize this trend that smartphones will advance in power because of gaming apps.
I have always been a gamer and creating virtual worlds has been about how much polygons a CPU/GPU can generate per second. This is crucial.
Nvidia has been in this game a very long time on the PC side and their years of R&D has minaturized a power efficient dual and now quadcore chip that can run for hours on battery.
The Nvidia Tegra has put the Android platform on the map and made it here to stay. They will be the leader as far as the future of cellphones are concerned.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who actually found it the right time to upgrade to a smartphone such as the G2x because it was marketed as a TRUE GAMING superphone that could generate xbox like graphics.
I'll bet alot of hardcore PC gamers who are tired of lugging around their laptop will invest in Nvidia Tegra cellphones. Nvidia knows this and will capture this huge market.

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Lack of development interest?

I know its new but even phones like the GS2 and Sensation had things going on in the thread before they were out, could this phone be skipped by the devs and ignored which makes it a pointless phone to own what's your views.

Have you tried developing a 3D app etc? It's probably a lot harder for starters... It's not just a case of porting an app over like from the HTC HD to say a mini pro.
Give it a few weeks and I'm sure something will pop up

Jabbypants said:
a pointless phone to own what's your views.
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I want a phone that can be rooted and does 3D, this phone sounds perfect to me

projectsome said:
Have you tried developing a 3D app etc? It's probably a lot harder for starters... It's not just a case of porting an app over like from the HTC HD to say a mini pro.
Give it a few weeks and I'm sure something will pop up
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i don't mean 3D apps I mean roms with owning a Sensation and now a GS2 as well as this phone, the Android Development threads were beaming with things even before the phones had been released but there is little on this so far.

Jabbypants said:
i don't mean 3D apps I mean roms with owning a Sensation and now a GS2 as well as this phone, the Android Development threads were beaming with things even before the phones had been released but there is little on this so far.
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How long have you had the LGO3D? Give the phone a chance....

projectsome said:
How long have you had the LGO3D? Give the phone a chance....
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I will give it chance but weeks before the Sensation was released there was loads of interest in the Development section, test roms etc same with the GS2 but this one so far is pretty dead.

AFAIK, LG is not as popular "yet" as the 2 two pioneer brands...but it has great potentials...

I think the reason is the complexity behind the 3D part of this phone. After all, the main reason for getting this phone is for its 3D capability. Also, this is one of the first 3D phone around... so give it some time
Don't forget Samsung also had smae prb back when the "Galaxy" range come up.. the dev rom not really picked up before i9000 arrive.
Sure this phone will pick up once u see more on street, it is very early now ^^

There are also a lot of developers that are interested but can't get the phone yet.
We are getting Verizon LTE here this week, but we don't even have a date for any dual core Cortex-A9 phone yet.

wait till you see CM7 pops out at you.
Am sure almost all the good teams will be with it soon enough. LG could help too by releasing some stuff too.

I dont think this phone will lack interest of developers. Once it has been released in US, many things will change imo. The phone has great potential not only because of its 3D capabilities, but also because of the Tri-Dual tech and Omap4.
I am actually satisfied enough with root and chainfire nvidia drivers for tegra games. Omap4 is quite capable of playing high end games which are specifically designed for ANOTHER gpu. This gives me the thought of its potential that if there will be games specifically designed for omap4, it could be really really rocking.

As stated above wait for the US release, also when it comes to ROMs, this phone is hard, there where a few early leaks but nothing much and the hardware is completely new compared to others and that takes time as well to get to know, on the plus side TI shares code and are often very helpful to homebrew projects etc, on the downside 3D is also completely new to the ROM builders and that will take some time to learn etc.
Many of the phone that get builds before they are even out share most of the same hardware as other phones and so on, the LG Optimus 2X is just getting CM7 but still no stable build, not for lack of interest but for the fact that it's a new chipset and dual-core etc, if you are hoping for a ROM within the next few weeks you are going to be disappointed but if you are willing to give it 3-6 months you'll probably get some really neat stuff to put in your phone.

This phone has great potential. But currently it is still too "costy" for development purpose and too many "first" for the industry. So everything is from scratch. So far the only thing that I am able to stuff in this phone is the HTC IME (chinese) which I still couldn't find anything better.

need opinions to choose tablet with ios or android

hello,
first of all, i love follwing the tech and seeing present devices getting better with better softwares.. i own a xoom for 2 months and i really love it.. but -like most of the people here, probably- i believe the software is not fully optimized for the hardware.. in my computers i always used nvidia products, because i believe it did its job very good even when the ati competitors were better on the paper.. so here i am with a tegra 2 SoC and i cant find any game as smooth as ipad games..
now -in addition to my xoom- i was planning to buy a samsung galaxy tab 10.1 (one is for my girlfriend, one is for me but mostly to be used together) but when i was making some research, last night i found nvidia ULP and ipad 2 comparisons and could not believe the results.. ipad 2 was 2-6 times faster/better than the motorola xoom.. imeedieatly i downloaded the same tests and i ran them too and ended up with same results unfortunately.. and then i downloaded lots of high quality games and every time i ended between 20-25 FPS.. i think it is not satisfying..
i dont believe apple has the alien technology, i think the software makes the difference.. so i asked myself to questions;
"what do i plan to use my tablet for" and
"what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS comes"???
my expectations from ISC is to bring more optimisation to our devices, i cant say no to new cool feautures but first i want my existing ones to be perfect...
to be honest, i can not answer both questions... i can only answer what i want from a tablet.. and again to be honest i guess i am hungry for performance, even though i do not need it. so in every tests tegra 2 cpu beats a5, and the web pages (the first thing i want my tablet to do professionally) are super faster loading then the ipad2 ... besides i love customizable home screen definition, i love being easy to carry my media from the computer or to the computer with one cable without any software.. and i love being able to connect my hard drive so that i can give up from my laptop once i buy a bluetooth keyboard..
but my second question; what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS here? will iOS5 catch up with android by beating it in CPU and usefullness tests too or will ICS cacth up with the smoothnes and games performance and the promises they gave?
in my country asus transformer, acer iconia a500, ipad 2 16gb, motorola xoom are same prices and samsung galaxy tab is about 40 dollars more expencive in second hands or abroad products.. so i dont care about the price here.. what i am asking is which one is going to better according to your opinion between all these devices? and which one is going to give me more development and more increase in perfection?
i am so confused and every opinion is wellcomed.. i am planning to use it mostly for web browsing as a laptop replecement, gaming, photo and video making/editing/storing and -if possible- using engineering programs like the icircuit in ipad or the autocad in galaxy s (i have it on my galaxy s but i could not run it in tablet)..
so please share) thanks..

okay...
as you are FULLY aware... we are talking apples and oranges here
1. iOS is for people who want something out of the box.. not worried about setting much up and have a billion games... for now atleast (something my grandma would like to be honest)
2. Android OS is far superior with whats under the hood and the customizations and endless tweeking...
my simple answer is... do you want something the same as every other...er... individual (*snickers* - as the ad's would have you believe).. or something that is truly your OWN device
i bet 9 out of 10 people in the xoom forum has something that is entirely unique to the next... i love this aspect... i like having something a little different.. i like to tweek untill i break it or have the best device out there.. 3/4 of the time if there is an app for the iOS there is a better app for android.. for example.. there is only crap remote mouse apps for iOS and yet i have unified remote full for android a masterpiece and i can control nearly every aspect of my computer via a remote with my android devices (yes there is splashtop HD for iOS and android but this is not always a viable solution and trust me i have both)... this is just one example as i cbf putting down the many apps i have that are better (foto tile slideshow - the live wallpaper is another AWESOME app that comes to mind)
last and not least... lets remember software for both devices are going crazy.. however now the tables have turned with android leading the way and iOS playing catch up and ice cream is going to be one hell of an update to which im pretty sure xoom will be compatible =]
i know i may have not 100% been to topic but had to express something (you did say all views were welcome lol)

I agree with the above poster...and will add that no matter what we wish, we will never have the very best, fastest,most bleeding-edge device because once we buy, there will always be something newer, faster, better, etc. IOS gives you what it wants you to have. Android lets you have (or create) what you want.
If you are rooted, with Tiamat Hammerhead Rom and the Tachi oc gpu kernel, and a launcher like ADW Ex, could the Xoom be any smoother?
It does make a difference how hands-on you want to be.

thanks for it.. you have made very good points..
i guess i am trying to look at it as computers.. when i had my desktop it was not a big deal when one of the parts was getting old/slower becuase i was able to change only that one without spending big money... but once that world (both hardware and games) got larger it got harder to follow and find the best one.. so i felt like i was lost between nvidia and ati products.. then i switched to laptops when i became more mobile in daily life and when laptops offered more graphic power.. and i always thought GPU first and the ram 2nd, and the HDD 3rd.. CPU was ok to wait.. because CPU tech is already a lot higher than todays daily process needings..
so with the same feeling i have the same reflex to go for the better GPU one.. i feel like the weaker GPU one is going to get old faster/earlier.. this scares me..
and there is also the untidyness in the android world.. there are hundreds of phones with different specs and only a few of them has the full control of every feauture android can give you.. so when you buy a cheap android phone you are not only lacking some hardware, but also being some short on the software too.. they solved this mostly by making the tegra 2 the center of the tablets and i believe ICS will bring even more tidyness to the world just like apple world.. but i still have my suspicious with ICS, because i have read an opinion here in xda, he says ; ICS is a big development for 2.3 devices not for the 3.x devices.. but i want to believe better drivers will come and help us benefit from our hardware better.. nvidia has done that before when the game crysis was out, they increased the overall performance by %10 for every 8xxx card with a new firmware..
besides i made some research and some experiments; apperiantly this ULP is first defining the need of the FPS and then setting it as a limit to keep the power comsumption low.. so even though it can go faster or produce more FPS it stays in the limit of 28 especially in the desktop while ipad can go with 60 FPS.. i guess this is excatly what makes me jealous.. because i feel like my tablet does not have power to do that...
so basicly, i do not like apple anymore after they sue everyone they see as a thread... but i also believe the complains i made (the belief of the GPU being much more worse than the ipad 2 GPU) scares me.. i put my faith on the new software before, to nokia.. and every time they have given a new software to their "smartphones" they ruined it even more.. so far, in android, everything is just going good.. every new version came with better optimizations and i want to believe it is going to be like this in the future..
i guess my opinions and fears are mostly emotional and coming from my unfortunate experiences.. but i get attached to every device of mine and i want them to be good enough and last long enough .. so i do not want to feel like i am buying something to be old so quick under the shadow of new coming kal-el and already existing apple ipad 2..

Buy a xoom and root it! You have the use of SD card, flash drives, and USB hdd's. My wife looked at the options and realized she takes photos and needs access to her camera and to her hdd she uses to store those photos. Not one other tablet can do what the xoom can do! Sure it has some flaws, but at the same time it has less of those flaws than any tablet I have tested so far. My Logitech wireless mouse works, and every other device I have at my house. One cable to do it all, not several diff things like the tab 10.1. You want a custom PC, then here it is!
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Maybe you should just be prepared to buy and sell whatever you no longer want so you can buy something new.Unfortunately none of us, except e.mote can tell the future.

I guess your points are valid considering alot if the economic uncertainty.. However one must argue that the ipad in all its glory is not a technological advancement.. Think about it.. U can do some neat things yet you cant replace a desktop with it.. Yet the Android comes so close it can almost blur the line entirely.. You can also try and get a windows 7 tab for cheaper as i was looking at these but i weighed up the usefulness and the tech side in me and now people watch me screw around with the xoom on the train and how individualistic it is and then my phone is a new avenue for full customization.. Sure they are not for all and its funny to watch the smartest people i know fumble with such a device and stick to apple babble like its the be all and get slugged a premium its great to see the sheep follow =]
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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..

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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
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essentially... when do u want a device... NOW or NEVER?.. there is always going to be a newer better device in the future... why did you buy your phone when u did when there are better phones out now or the future... same with your computer... same crap... if you wait for the next one you will never have anything and never enjoy the benefits of such a device... personally im happy to have a device for 12 months maybe less and grab the next newest bit... because someone else in my family will benefit form the older software and i continue with the newest gadget

This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.

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This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
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^^ exactly... this is my second tablet in less than a year and just the difference between froyo and honeycomb is astounding... i did my research before buying this tab.. in fact from my first experience i didn't want another tab at all... i despise apple products on general principle (not relevant but yeh) so it took alot of research and convincing about another tab.... i was going to buy a galaxy tab 10.1 yet upon buying it at auction i came across the xoom.. and viewed the true capabilities and noted that the galaxy tab is just a android iOS device and the xoom is a true android device and something that can fulfill my experimental side..

Just buy the iPad 2.
2 great tablets, no one needs to persuade you to use android.

Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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huh, why would anyone who doesn't own any android products would even register on this site in the first place?

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Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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i am only fan of people who develope, share, help and moreover ask to themselves and try to answer what they are doing with their devices and what they are planning to add to this in the future.. i am not fan of companies..
i know myself, i did this mistake before; i saw the 60 FPS shiny world of the iphone and when i was most bored with my lag-crazy nokia i swicthed to it (3gs) and found myself trying to buy a perfect book page by page and i was not able to choose the chapters..
when i had iphone i tried to customize the hardware limitations, unfortunately it was impossible.. then i tried to make things easier (like tried to get rid of itunes) that failed too.. and after 2 months i realised my little shiny and so called super optimized phone was lagging, this was when i learned iOS was able to lag too..
then after another failing nokia symbian update experience i tried android with galaxy s.. and that world my friend, became my addiction..
however; when i was making surfing throuh other forum sites i ran into some opinions and fears. they have become my fears too.. now i am making a summary of them in very short sentences, so i believe i will make myself more clear;
first thing like i said i always believed in every mobile device the GPU gets older first.. so, especially in my laptops i always tried to choose the better GPU over te CPU or the other specs.. and one day i was reading reviews about tegra 2 potential but then i saw ipad 2 was -sometimes- up to 5 times faster than it in graphic tests... that made me scared..
the second thing; i am fully aware of that our hardware is as valuable as its software and nokia failed me about it again and again.. one day, i found an web page which says ICS will make the performance 1.8 times better.. i assume (i want to assume) this is mostly graphic performance because CPU performance is already the best but i thing nvidia drivers needs to be optimized.. so the best thing is to wait for ICS and then decide about how android-tablet worlds growing bigger and success.. but, on the other hand, we are waiting for the tomorrows technology with yesterdays device.. this is my second fear, because i heard the quad core products are being released in this fall.. i am scared of being outdated even before i can enjoy the full performance of my xoom..
i have just shared these two fears and then realised apple owners did not have them.. so i asked here if apple is better at them.. it was not an "should i buy apple or android" topic.. but if people said "tegra 2 and honeycomb are temprory and will be history together soon and the real devices are the quad-core ones" i would go for an ipad 2 (maybe) for 6-9 months and then go back to android..
and not to forget; in my years, i have forgatten lots of device i used with their good or bad sides but i have never forgatten the people i shared knowledge and experience with.. and i am a fan of them..

I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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thank you.. i have narrowed down the equation to samsung tab 10.1 vs xoom .. i am trying to choose between them now.. i saw samurai 2 vengence and some other games and know i am so sure it is good enough as a toy too..

None of the tegra games seem to work right on honeycomb. I do like scrabble from ea. And cordy is kinda fun. Played one of the sniper games and it wasn't bad at all. Most of the games you have to buy and I just haven't found a good one I like. I wish halo reach could be done. Then I would be set!
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.

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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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Very well said--great points.

The Android tablet makers are doing it wrong...

NOTE: If you are looking to troll, insult the intelligence of users of any platform, or flame in any way, then you are in the wrong thread.
To understand why "true" Android tablets (read as tablets besides the Fire) are struggling to gain market share, one must first consider why the iPad, and the Kindle to some extent, has been so successful, and why people choose to use a tablet instead of a laptop in the first place. It has nothing to do with specs. It has to do with three simple words: "Ease of use."
With little effort or thinking required, anyone can pick up an iPad without it being headache inducing or bad for your blood pressure. A good example is Netflix. I don't even want to start the Netflix app on the Transformer Prime. It is painfully slow and non-responsive. On the iPad, the Netflix app with the same exact layout is as smooth as butter and arguably one of the best ways to consume Netflix content. No constantly having to glance at the battery, no rampaging through forums trying to find out why your device is constantly rebooting. It is just you and your tablet having a relaxing, intimate experience.
Unless the Android tablet makers straighten out the reboots, the app issues, the wifi issues, etc before worrying about specs, then Android on tablets is destined to go the way of the Zune.

in the case of netflix, that's netflix's failure, not Android's or the tablet makers.
as for "ease of use", if you think an Android tablet is too hard to just pick up and use, you must be especially inept. both my 56 year old mother and 72 year old step-father picked up my Transformer and were tapping and swiping away like they'd been using a tablet for years, no hiccups at all.

The biggest problem with Android tablets is shoddy,poorly optimized software and lack of apps. Android is nowhere near as smooth as iOS(ICS better than Honeycomb but still nowhere close to iPad), which really degrades the user experience. There is also a severe lack of tablet specific apps, and certain apps run fine on one tablet,but not another even though the hardware is identical. The only way Android tabs can compete is on price, which is why Kindle Fire was able to gain traction. No one I their right mind will pay the same price for an Android tablet that will be obsolete in a few months, and may not receive OS updates. Google really dropped the ball by making Honeycomb such a steaming pile of dung and launching overpriced junk like the Xoom to take on iPad 2, horrible first impression to say the least.

As said above me, the problem is indeed the lack of apps and optimizations for the tablet with both size and hardware specs.
The only reason for that, is that Android 3 was rebuilt from scratch, iOS, which was old and popular already, was simple "streched" over the screen of the iPad. Even the hardware is the same.

Google didn't release the zoom Motorola did. As for honeycomb vs ios, ios is for all purposes the same exact operating system released on the first iPhone. The advancements have been few and far between, and always behind the time. Google actually changed everything, yes some of it did not come out perfect, but honeycomb is a unique ui from gingerbread, froyo, etc. I have some issues with my honeycomb tablet but the limitations of ios out weigh my issue with honeycomb. The ipad is a great product with an offensively boring operating system
Netfilx runs on my tablet with out any lag whats so ever, and I experience no reboots unless I am pushing it with over clocking and what not. Apple makes a one size firts all product. One screen size, one processor, one clock speed, one os, one ui. Most people who complain about android made a poor choice of the device they purchased, then blame the operating system for the performance. With Apple there is one tablet.
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You are definitely right. The downside about Android is not the actual software but in a way how many devices and manufacturers there are. With So many Android devices coming out every other week, it would be almost impossible for Google to be able to take their software and mod it to every new device. With Apple they have one tablet and are able to focus on making things work perfectly on that one device, no other device specs to throw in.

The iPad sells because it is made by Apple and their customers are very loyal to the brand. Developers for the iPad only have 1 (or 2 if you count the 1st gen iPad) device to test on, so there should be no problems. Android app developers have many different devices which means there is a greater chance for issues, but this is not Google's fault or even the tablet maker's fault, it's the app developer.
Android has had quite a few updates in the last few years, both UI and Linux kernel. iOS on the other hand still looks like 2007 with some newer apps included. The tablet versions of Android are still pretty young. Even if the ratio of Android tablets to phones doesn't take off, getting everyone on ICS should help out stability of tablet apps.

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in the case of netflix, that's netflix's failure, not Android's or the tablet makers.
as for "ease of use", if you think an Android tablet is too hard to just pick up and use, you must be especially inept. both my 56 year old mother and 72 year old step-father picked up my Transformer and were tapping and swiping away like they'd been using a tablet for years, no hiccups at all.
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When people are having to read forums and sometimes open up their device to get wifi to work correctly, that is not easy to use. You may not be having this issue, but there are hundreds in the prime forum having it. People use the tablet because it is a more enjoyable experience. If the laptop is more convenient, they will use that instead, which is why people don't want to use Android tablets. They are headache inducing trying to figure out why nothing is working like it should. They have great specs, but software is more important on the tablet form factor.

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When people are having to read forums and sometimes open up their device to get wifi to work correctly, that is not easy to use. You may not be having this issue, but there are hundreds in the prime forum having it. People use the tablet because it is a more enjoyable experience. If the laptop is more convenient, they will use that instead, which is why people don't want to use Android tablets. They are headache inducing trying to figure out why nothing is working like it should. They have great specs, but software is more important on the tablet form factor.
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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device

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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device
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And you missed the whole point of my OP.
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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device
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So you're in a small minority of people who want to waste their cash on a barely functional device running junky software. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people would take an iPad over an Android tablet unless it's much cheaper with a comparable ecosystem ala Kindle Fire.

I don't see the Android tablets ever surpassing the iPad. In the tablet market, the "just working" is even more of a powerful concept than the phones since tablets are generally an extra expense.
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I think the real problem is that people don't want tablets, they want an Ipad. I have never been sold on the tablet craze. My screen is 4.5 inches, why would I need more? I truly believe that this is why Apple keeps the Iphone so small, to almost make a tablet a necessity.

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No I get it, you have problems with your tablet and are assuming the issues are symptomatic of android
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No I get it, you have problems with your tablet and are assuming the issues are symptomatic of android
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No you don't get the point of my OP. The forums for each of the popular tablets, the app selection, and Android market share prove they are symptoms of Android on tablets.
Google and the tablet manufacturers do not get why the tablet form factor became popular in the first place. This is the point of my post.
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My apologies for the bickering, although I do not agree with the premise I respect your position. I have a company iPhone and purchased an android tablet as I prefer the platform. I have a htc flyer and for half the price like it more than my wives iPad. In the end that is just me though

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No you don't get the point of my OP. The forums for each of the popular tablets, the app selection, and Android market share prove they are symptoms of Android on tablets.
Google and the tablet manufacturers do not get why the tablet form factor became popular in the first place. This is the point of my post.
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Isn't that the same thing everyone said about Android on phones when it released?
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Isn't that the same thing everyone said about Android on phones when it released?
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Tablet market is not the same as the phone market. The reason Android gained traction is because carriers needed something to combat the iPhone and it was the best alternative at the time. Android gained market share because carriers embraced it since it put them back in the driver's seat, they could take out features,install loads of crapware and modify the OS to their heart's content. The majority of Android phones sold aren't premium handsets, but low to midrange phones of the BOGO or free with contract variety. Meanwhile tablets are typically not bought with a contract and wifi models are far more popular, which cuts the carriers out of the loop. This puts vendors in a precarious position,because they can't rely on carrier subsidies and can't compete with Apple on price due to their purchasing power. Trying to push an Android tablet at $500+ is an automatic fail because there aren't enough Apple haters or hardcore geeks who are pretty much your only market at that price point. The fact that W8 is also looming on the horizon and looks to be a much better tablet OS than anything that Google is bringing to the table doesn't help either.

More and more Android tablet makers are getting it right, starting now, just the way Google is getting the Android experience to match up to the iOS experience. It is true iOS was light years ahead in terms of beauty, simplicity, ease of use, performance etc - but Google (with Android) and many of the tablet makers (Samsung, Amazon, and now even the ODMs/OEMs in rest of the world) are catching up in terms of the OS experience - ICS is quite simply amazing, and one can't say it is horrible compared to iOS, even if one loves iOS.
The reason why many people complained about Android, rightly so, is caused by the fact that Android didn't dictate what hardware it must be run on, allowing manufacturers to make compromises/mistakes on the hardware (processor, memory, display etc) whereas Apple ensured the hardware is just as good as the OS, and even more than that Apple knew the internals of iOS and its processor/hardware really well from before, and could ensure the best optimized experience. With more manufacturers learning more about Android now - they are becoming more sophisticated in their engineering - and the Android experience will continue to flourish. And not just Google's own flavor of Android, but fork-offs like those of Amazon (and maybe others like Samsung?) may result in even more special things!
Its certainly an exciting time for Android, and in general, consumer electronics. As coders, I hope we all can add to this and bring great products to life!

As an avid android phone user, as well as a android tablet user, after comparing it with an iPad, my only gripe with my android tablet is the lack of productivity applications.
I can't seem to find one that fits my needs well enough. Most productivity apps (e.g. note taking, office applications) seems to be subpar and not a worthy laptop replacement. I haven't found a worthy office application on the iPad either. However, for note taking with a capacitive pen, iPad do have applications that performs pretty well, and those are mighty useful from the feel of it. This is my biggest gripe about the android tablet. This is coming from a university student, and of course it is probably less related to business based in terms of note taking.
Productivity aside, I love using my android tablet to watch shows, moboplayer is simply one good media player that is really convenient, unlike the iOS. As for games, there are hardly any games worth playing on the mobile platform. If I wanted proper games, I'd pick up my DS or PSP along the way rather than playing some half assed game on iOS or Android. This is my personal opinion of mobile platform gaming, most of the games are largely boring, that being said, there are some A grade games being ported off PC indie games that are worth playing on the mobile platform. Other than that, the general population of games arn't exactly worth playing.

Serious Help Needed.. Buying A New Phone...

Okay well before I go any further, I will let you guys know I highly enjoy gaming! I will mainly be using my device in my free time to probably games like Criticial Strike etc.. I occasionally play Words with Friends etc but due to the fact I have a 64GB iPad jailbroken device I feel as if my iDevice crave is fixed for the time being..
I have always been an avid Android fan since the original Droid was released from Motorolla with Verizon. I owned one, rooted it, did all the stuff that I thought made it more personal etc.. I just enjoyed it..
2 years later, I finally have had enough with Verizon and made the move to Sprint.. I purchased the Evo 4G a few days after its initial release and loved it. Again, it was rooted and had Fresh Rom installed along with being OCd..
Sadly not long after newer devices emerged.. T Mobile had the first Tegra dual core device, which made me feel as if my initial $300 investment was thrown out the window..
Ive finally decided I will go back to Sprint.. My girlfriend has AT&T and personally owns the new Tegra 3 Quad Core One X device.. I like it however when playing FPS games like Criticial Strike I notice the screen isnt as easy to navigate when aiming etc as opposed to say my iPad 2 in terms of smoothness.. It seems as if it lacks the ability to glide your fingers across the screen for smooth aiming etc..
I have noticed there are absolutely NO Tegra 3 Quad Core devices right now for Sprint.. This has me worried because I intend on getting something that will be fairly adequate for atleast the next year, hopefully 2, until I decide to upgrade..
Could anyone please help me with this?! I have heard that Qualcomms 28nm vs NVidias 40nm on there Tegra 3 is better.. I cant not say.. I have honestly not installed any Tegra 3 games on her One X and after the disapointment with the touch screen while attempting to play Criticial Strike made me give up rather fast..
Any phone junkies who would be able to assist me I would greatly appreciate it! I honestly would prefer to stick with Android due to the fact I have an iPad 2 but I will definantly be open to any opinions regarding performance etc as well! I also want to note I like tethering and with Sprints truly unlimited data makes it more suitable for my needs!
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The future of android?

I was wondering, now we've hit the quadcore 1.5Ghz, 2GB ram mark on our phones... What is the next step?
Will there still be a lot of change in the hardware used by manufacturers?
I wanted to hear peoples thoughts on this, mainly because I want to buy a new phone and I don't know if I should wait any longer...

Wait for the Snapdragon 800 chips or the Tegra 4 and 4i chips. Major speed boosts there.
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Well android can only get better and if we have come to a stage such as this it could mean that we might soon have budget speced phones with pretty good specs.
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Once ARMv8 gets into the swing of things we will no doubtly see a 64bit verson of android

The nig about android OS's
Unlike iOS for iPhone the only thing that really bugs me is how fast Google Develop the next android OS within the next year we will have something better the JB. They need the slow down the dev speed of these OS's because the market for newer phones coming isn't catching up with the the newer OS releases.
And if you're a sony user well lets just say they don't like updating there ranges they'd rather people be pee'd half way down the line with the 24 month contract stuck on a OS with apps they cannot have due to app developers disregarding older OS's running on current high and mid range market devices.

A USB port

I personally think that the future of android is all about software. Not to say that we won't be seeing hardware improvements - but that's almost a 'must' with every incremental update for any OEM. I mean, we've reached a point where android phones have as much processing and computing power as some people's computers! To expand, I really think that future updates to the android OS will be much more significant, especially since google has chosen to roll out individual components of their OS (such as the Google Keyboard, Play Music, etc) as individual services (apart from the OS). This way, even without updating the operating system - individual components will be updated and outdated phones will still be able to receive "updates" when OS updates from their OEM are no longer supported.

Since Sammy is 95% of the sales of Android, everything depends on sammy.. If sammy abandones Android and people switch to Tizen, android will be like Windows Phone is right now.
Also, the recent developments of android, its bad security permission policy and so on are reasons to be worried about. I simply do not trust google with the right decsiions.

Chips with Haswell-like arcitecture. im sure they will come giving some killer battery life.
Hardware is not my interest to follow right now. But the OS itself is way more exciting.
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Desktop PC hardware got to a point where even a bargain PC has plenty of power for the average user. It seems that phones are getting closer to that point too and I think the innovations that are going to be most exciting are going to be in the next generation of apps that are created to better help us organize our life and connect with people.
Well, of course there's the idea of wearable technology like Google Glass but unless fashion changes I don't think most people want to walk around looking like a cyborg. We saw how bluetooth headsets became an object of ridicule.

Eventually computers will be useless and everyone will have a tablet. android is for sure going to upgrade in terms of speed an fluidity. Devices are going to have crazy specs. However, if android could somehow become less demanding hardware wise, the components within the phones wouldn't have to be that powerful to operate the system smoothly. For example, the iPhone. Dual core, 1 gig of ram. The smoothest phone I've ever seem
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androidsoccer said:
Eventually computers will be useless and everyone will have a tablet. android is for sure going to upgrade in terms of speed an fluidity. Devices are going to have crazy specs. However, if android could somehow become less demanding hardware wise, the components within the phones wouldn't have to be that powerful to operate the system smoothly. For example, the iPhone. Dual core, 1 gig of ram. The smoothest phone I've ever seem
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A tablet is a computer, you sent that from a computer in tablet format.
Use the right terms, it's not irrelevant.
I will never substitute my laptop for a tablet though, there are some simple physical necessities when it comes to efficient workflow.
I'm writing this with Swype on my phone and it's fast, but it would be faster on my laptop, the physical keyboard is faster and most importantly 100% reliant/error free.
I'll probably get a tablet eventually, there are some things it just does better, but to say it'll replace desktops and laptops is ridiculous.
Android 5.0 is rumored to be less hardware demanding instead of the usual trend, but that remains to be seen.
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A USB port
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Yes bro.
The only feature left in here direct.
Usb port support
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Hell!
We got octa-core now!!
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No, we do not have octa-cores.
We have BIG.little quad-cores, and that's not semantics, there's a huge difference.
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future will be
galaxy s5
exynos 64core processor ..obviously closed source...
6inch 4k pixels ultraamoled plus plus foldable
1tb internal memory expandable upto 4tb
8gb ram
mali 1000 gpu
camera 40mp
water resistant upto depth of pacific ocean
Android 6.0(no cm support) lol

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Android 5.0 is rumored to be less hardware demanding instead of the usual trend, but that remains to be seen.
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Where have you read that?
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Unless we see major improvements in battery materials , we will see the tech of mobile devices start to level off, because no one would want a device that is as powerful as a desktop PC but you can only use it for 20 min. That is the main reason why desktop PCs will always be better than mobile devices.

There have been hundreds of threads like this. Anyway my speculation is that when the phones and tablets are so powerful that we simply don't need any more powerful devices, we plug the phone onto some kind of dock, hook it up to tv, and put keyboard and mouse on the dock, and run desktop Ubuntu or some other Linux distro(maybe "Android desktop"?) just like it was a mini sized pc computer.
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