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Android tablets need work--alot of work...

Just returned from Xmas shopping and thought I was going to get some tablets for family members but found them to be frustratingly slow when compared to the iPad--which is what people are going to do, even though they shouldn't, they're going to. Google did announced that Android <2.2 is simply not ready for tablets and I couldn't agree more.
I have an iPad at home and the cheapest iPad competes successfully with the best tablets Android has, the Dell Streak and Samsung tab. Those tablets are <$600, so's the iPad. Unless there's a specific reason why you'd rather use an Android tablet when the screen is smaller and the whole tablet is overall slower, the choice is easily iPad.
I heard a shopper try to use one and comment how slow Android is. I showed him my Evo to tell him that Android's still in progress, it'll get faster. Unless you don't mind paying for $300 or less for frustration, (inexpensive) Android tablets are just not ready. I hear Honeycomb will have a tabler-optimized system.
** mind you, I'm a Phandroid so...

Couldn't agree more. The galaxy tab is an embarrassment. I tried using one in a store the other day and got 3 force closes in ten minutes, plus a jerky UI and ****house resolution.

I liked the Tab a lot, thought it was really great. Didn't have any issues with it when I played it with it. But I agree to an extent. Problem is, most Android tablets are made poorly. Archos is about the only one that has made decent tablets aside from Dell and Samsung. It could be better though, I'll say that. Right now Android is suited for mobile phones. For a good reason, it's a phone OS.

More reason to look forward to honeycomb. The flagship Google tablet should set the standard for android tablets.

tknz said:
More reason to look forward to honeycomb. The flagship Google tablet should set the standard for android tablets.
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Yes! And they're going to kick butt. Apple optimized the iPhone's OS for three years before they brought out the iPad. Android is only about three years old, isn't it? I just hope that the crappy tablets out there now haven't damaged Android's rep.
Or Google should've just thrown ChromeOS on tablets. Chrome is basically what I use on my Ubuntu powered netbook. I rarely see the desktop anymore.

I have had a galaxy tab for about 27 days..I also have an ipad that i've had for awhile....I like the tab but it's going back tomarrow...Had 3 and all 3 had dead pixels..I think the screen is better than ipad and using the apps and playing with OS is peppy like my Vibrant but start browsing and it becomes sluggish...Some sites are much worst than others...The stock browser is by far the slowest thing ever..dolphin hd is better but still sluggish..I tried all browsers and disabling flash/plugins and different settings ...No matter what i try browsing is not smooth like my ipad...I hoped a fix came out or a ROM that would fix the laggy browsing but nothing yet....I really like the tab because of A: Android OS vs the boring basic ios4 and B: The screen is better than my ipad...While the ipad screen is very nice the tab is better and once samoled starts coming on them ohhh my!

Google had plenty of time to make the OS smooth, 2.3 is a big fail. I don't know what google has given to people but everyone believes that android will be the next big thing. Seems like we will never reach the promised land.
People had so much expectations about gingerbread, new UI, gpu accelerated graphics, the smoothness, new integration with social networking... Instead you get a 2.3 with a new keyboard and few little things people don't care.
After 2 yrs and some the OS still is not smooth, it lacks in visual appearance, the apps are crap. I don't know how much longer i'll stay with this OS. Everytime i get a new phone is always read the stickies, flash new roms rinse and repeat. I am so tired of this, i don't know how long is going to stay like this but is like google doesn't give two ****s about it.
I bought an ipad this past weekend, jailbroke it, and started installing apps and end of story. I have games that i have fun playing with and apps that doesn't look like crap. If iphone had 3g in tmobile i'd consider getting an iphone.

greenstuffs said:
After 2 yrs and some the OS still is not smooth, it lacks in visual appearance, the apps are crap. I don't know how much longer i'll stay with this OS. Everytime i get a new phone is always read the stickies, flash new roms rinse and repeat. I am so tired of this, i don't know how long is going to stay like this but google don't give two ****s about it.
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It seems like you're the type that just wants their computer to work..[period]. This is not a criticism, you must just not be interested in hacking and modding your phone and why should you have to? There are so many choices out there, you don't have to use an Android phone--unless you were forced into using one.
Some of the apps are crap and some are are not but the choice is yours. The good apps filter to the top and bad ones never surface. I only choose apps that are four stars or better so my apps aren't crap--not to me at least. Don't you think that sort of freedom is nice? I do!
I, for one am glad that Google doesn't give two-****s about it ( I think they do ), it's an open source project and what you do with "your" phone is up to "you". We've never had this sort of freedom and I'm grateful we finally have it. But you don't have to try new ROMs or read any stickies if you don't enjoy it. I know Android phone users who have absolutely no plans to ever root their phone because they're happy with the way the carrier set it up for them--great!
I came from the Blackberry world and the only thing I could do with that was change the wallpaper and the size of the fonts *yawn*. RIM did everything for me and I had no clue what they were doing. Also, I've had Apple products, they magically patch things for me--what's going on? I'd like to know... Apple says, "no you don't--just use it, m'kay?" Microsoft does the same... No... Let's keep this open, I'm having a blast!

semperlux said:
It seems like you're the type that just wants their computer to work..[period]. This is not a criticism, you must just not be interested in hacking and modding your phone and why should you have to? There are so many choices out there, you don't have to use an Android phone--unless you were forced into using one.
Some of the apps are crap and some are are not but the choice is yours. The good apps filter to the top and bad ones never surface. I only choose apps that are four stars or better so my apps aren't crap--not to me at least. Don't you think that sort of freedom is nice? I do!
I, for one am glad that Google doesn't give two-****s about it ( I think they do ), it's an open source project and what you do with "your" phone is up to "you". We've never had this sort of freedom and I'm grateful we finally have it. But you don't have to try new ROMs or read any stickies if you don't enjoy it. I know Android phone users who have absolutely no plans to ever root their phone because they're happy with the way the carrier set it up for them--great!
I came from the Blackberry world and the only thing I could do with that was change the wallpaper and the size of the fonts *yawn*. RIM did everything for me and I had no clue what they were doing. Also, I've had Apple products, they magically patch things for me--what's going on? I'd like to know... Apple says, "no you don't--just use it, m'kay?" Microsoft does the same... No... Let's keep this open, I'm having a blast!
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Wow, well said mate, agreed except for Microsoft phones (WinMo), you can also buy them with the idea of tweaking, hacking, configuring everything to your liking, etc. in mind, unlike blackberry and apple.

XtriFe said:
Wow, well said mate, agreed except for Microsoft phones (WinMo), you can also buy them with the idea of tweaking, hacking, configuring everything to your liking, etc. in mind, unlike blackberry and apple.
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Oh? I didn't know that about WinMO. I think that to a point you can hack and mod anything you want. I've seen OS 7 running on an iPhone and thought that was impressive but have no idea if that's difficult or not. But that's not Apple's corporate philosophy where as AOSP, by definition will lends itself to extensive modification and is almost encouraged--man, I've dreamed of this.

greenstuffs said:
Google had plenty of time to make the OS smooth, 2.3 is a big fail. I don't know what google has given to people but everyone believes that android will be the next big thing. Seems like we will never reach the promised land.
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Android is pretty big right now and still growing.
People had so much expectations about gingerbread, new UI, gpu accelerated graphics, the smoothness, new integration with social networking... Instead you get a 2.3 with a new keyboard and few little things people don't care.
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The UI has different elements from previous versions, but this isn't the first time this happened. This happens with other platforms all the time. Windows Phone 7 for not having Copy and paste off the bat, or any decent homebrew support. Apple with the lack of multitasking, or Blackberry with something actually new and specs that can rival current Android phones!
After 2 yrs and some the OS still is not smooth, it lacks in visual appearance, the apps are crap. I don't know how much longer i'll stay with this OS. Everytime i get a new phone is always read the stickies, flash new roms rinse and repeat. I am so tired of this, i don't know how long is going to stay like this but is like google doesn't give two ****s about it.
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It's not just google mind you, Google can only do so much. If you're gonna blame Google, then you have to blame Qualcomm, Samsung, TI, HTC, etc etc for making the phone and some of the drivers. And I don't know about you, but I didn't flash a new rom every day now. I just get a rom that's best for me, and if it needs updated, I update it. Same thing with stock roms. If Google didn't give 2 ****s about it, then why is Google still supporting Android as much as they are? I like the UI of Android a lot. Easy to customize and change, where as for the longest time in Ios and mostly still now, black background? Windows Phone 7, black background or a different color? For the apps, it's open source. That's what the reviews in the Marketplace are for. I've have good experiences with the apps.
I bought an ipad this past weekend, jailbroke it, and started installing apps and end of story. I have games that i have fun playing with and apps that doesn't look like crap. If iphone had 3g in tmobile i'd consider getting an iphone.
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Ios is also completely locked down in terms of development. Iphone 3g is also nothing compared to current Android phones now. An Arm11 v6 cpu, versus say an Arm Cortex a8? About 400-440mhz underclocked from 600mhz or so, versus even the Droid only being clocked at 550mhz, but having a huge advantage of better instruction sets and Adreno gpu? You obviously haven't done much homework either, Tmobile will support Iphone on their network, and there's even unlock codes in Cydia available. All you need to do, setup a plan with Tmobile, and get a Tmobile Sim card for that plan. It might now have the 3g network enabled, but there's your Iphone for you.
I'm not bad mouthing Apple, Iphone, Windows, Microsoft, WP7, or anything like that. But Apple has complete control over the Iphone and Ios(There isn't even an AT&T logo on the Iphone), WP7 is still young so we'll see how it turns out, and Android is still growing.

I would agree that the iPad is much more advanced. But the Galaxy Tab is pretty decent and I actually love the color nook. It is great for what it does...

Once released, Honeycomb should have a positve major impact on new futere Tablets.

semperlux said:
Just returned from Xmas shopping and thought I was going to get some tablets for family members but found them to be frustratingly slow when compared to the iPad--which is what people are going to do, even though they shouldn't, they're going to. Google did announced that Android <2.2 is simply not ready for tablets and I couldn't agree more.
I have an iPad at home and the cheapest iPad competes successfully with the best tablets Android has, the Dell Streak and Samsung tab. Those tablets are <$600, so's the iPad. Unless there's a specific reason why you'd rather use an Android tablet when the screen is smaller and the whole tablet is overall slower, the choice is easily iPad.
I heard a shopper try to use one and comment how slow Android is. I showed him my Evo to tell him that Android's still in progress, it'll get faster. Unless you don't mind paying for $300 or less for frustration, (inexpensive) Android tablets are just not ready. I hear Honeycomb will have a tabler-optimized system.
** mind you, I'm a Phandroid so...
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I completely disagree. You must not have done your homework well. Right now the best tablets are the tegra tablets. They own the ipad in every way possible and are receiving alot of development. As far as I know there are 4 out now: Toshiba Folio 100, Viewsonic G Tablet, Advent Vega, and the Elocity 7". I'm on the Viewsonic G Tablet, so far the rims developed by our Dev team are 1337! They can play flash, have full market, and are hella fast!

ipad or tablet, for a parent

if it were anyone else, id tell them how much apple sucks, and youll have no flash, free stuff, or any options.. but since its for my mom, who only knows the basics of a computer, would something without any options work better? i mean theres only one way to do things on an ipad.
ive never used a tablet before, but own a galaxy s2 and love it.
its my understanding the galaxy tab isnt as good as the s2 tho, and of course it doesnt have the samoled+ screen. i know the galaxy tab has a faster processor, and double the ram of the ipad, but as far as simplicity, or ease of use, screen quality, ect?
can the ipad use google talk video/voice chat?
thoughts and opinions please

i think ipad 2 is easy to use for a parent..

+1
Even though I am an android fan, Apple products are great for their ease of use.

What about the Amazon Fire? Well spec'd and about the size of a paperback, perfect for getting your folks into using it for reading then gently move on to web browsing etc with it.
Much cheaper than an iphad too.

can anyone comment on the UI, how smooth is honeycomb vs ipad? specs suggest it should be the galaxy tab, but it doesnt always work that way

ipad is bigger and easier to see for older people

soraxd said:
can anyone comment on the UI, how smooth is honeycomb vs ipad? specs suggest it should be the galaxy tab, but it doesnt always work that way
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Chap at work has gotten himself a tab and used it so much more he sold his ipad.

Just ignore the specs, it doesn't really work that way.
I mean, you get smoother UI and apps from an iphone than you get from some Android phones that have twice the RAM and a dualcore CPU.
(And the ipad2 has as good a CPU as any Android tablet, and its GPU smokes all of the Android GPUs!)
But yeah, I'd go for ipad or ipad2. Not only is there ease of use, there are also WAY more tablet apps for ipads than for Android tablets.
(I own an Iconia myself)
Your mom will also have a really easy time with buying music and movies if she wants that, and don't forget that other big Apple advantage: Futureproofing.
With an ipad she'll be good for OS upgrades for the next three years.

I personally wouldn't buy any apple product right now, it's companies like them that I refuse to support. If apple had it's way they would patent the idea of breathing oxygen... but it's not just apple that is the problem, it is the consumer that is willing to pay for a name that is the problem. You will only be supporting apple's lawsuits by purchasing their products.
In my honest opinion, anything will the apple name on it is overpriced, you are limited with what you can do, and you become a part of their "walled garden"
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Mattix724 said:
I personally wouldn't buy any apple product right now, it's companies like them that I refuse to support. If apple had it's way they would patent the idea of breathing oxygen... but it's not just apple that is the problem, it is the consumer that is willing to pay for a name that is the problem. You will only be supporting apple's lawsuits by purchasing their products.
In my honest opinion, anything will the apple name on it is overpriced, you are limited with what you can do, and you become a part of their "walled garden"
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youre preaching to the choir man, i know all about apple, and how they operate, i totally go off on people who use iphones.. but i realize that they are far more simple, which in most of our cases, is not something you look for, but in the case of something for my mother, who calls me up on the phone every now and then asking me how to save a picture she found on the internet, i dont think open source is really something she use lol..
if even xda members think ipad is smoother, i think ill look into it.
tho i am wondering, theres no flash right?
and isnt the apple browser slower than the android?

Well first off, just because apple puts a lower case "i" in front of it, it doesn't suddenly become a not-a-tablet. iFad ***IS*** a tablet. I wish that people would start calling it more generically (more *appropriately*) as "apple tablet". Every time someone puts an "i" in front of something, it makes me want to BARF.
As far as ease of use goes.... AVOID crippled apple. The only reason it might seem easy to use is because it doesn't actually do anything!
You have other options as far as tablets go...
Have you looked at B&N Nook?
Have you looked at Amazon kindle (the new one that runs android)?
These have simplified UI's, but are still fairly functional tablets. And the nice thing about them (at least the nook, no word yet on the kindle since its so new), is that if she wants a more COMPLETE tablet, you can root and customize. Cyanogenmod 7 runs on nook color!
*** You also save a butt-load of $$. Nook color is $250. I think Kindle is supposed to go for $200.
BOTH run Android.

I own an ipad 2 myself. To be honest I wasted 600$ for it I rarely use it. One thing I realy like about ipad that it runs smooth and there more apps out there for it compared to android tablet but, recently I notice android market is getting a lot better and they are cheaper to buy also it runs flash. So buy what fits your parents preference.
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soraxd said:
if even xda members think ipad is smoother, i think ill look into it.
tho i am wondering, theres no flash right?
and isnt the apple browser slower than the android?
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As for the "walled garden" thing, that's not really a bad thing for kids and heh, some older folks. You know what I saw in the Android Market the other day? (And not just hidden away somewhere, it was in the top grossing list)
An app called Peter North Redecorator or something, named after the famous pornstar, where you get to eh.. put semen on a picture from your phones memory. Cute, eh? Maybe not something most people, or their parents would like to get thrown in their face when checking out the top grossing apps? So besides the quality assurance, the whole walled garden has its place.
But yeah, the iPad IS smoother than even my 3.2 tab I hate to say. Browser is just as fast on the iPad, if not faster. Also seems quite a bit more stable.
There's no flash, but there are different apps and browsers that make you play Flash videos or access Flash websites. But pretty much all the sites I've ever visited have a Flash alternative, where they play html5 video instead or something similar, so you won't ever get to miss the Flash.
Another thing to consider: I don't know how your parents use mobile banking and different sites, but there are alot more apps like that for iPad than Android. Meaning: Most of the banks they go to and stores they visit and so on, will have iPad apps, but no Android apps, which might make a difference.

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p45_noob said:
i think ipad 2 is easy to use for a parent..
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When will people stop going on with generalised crap like this. If your parent can use a computer or a phone they can use pretty much ANY tablet. If they can't Use either it wopuld take them about the same amount of time to learn the BASIC functions of both devices. Stop repeating this crap because you heard it on T.V / Apple press release. Some people make it sound like you need a doctorate in mechanical engineering to operate an android device and a gold star from a kindergarten teacher for an idevice. STOP believing and repeating this crap
For example:
http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-help/25343-cant-get-my-new-ipad-work.html
OH NOES!!!!! LURNINZ CURVEZ TOO HIE HELPZ APPPLEZ DUZZENT JUZT WURK OMG!!!!112111111121111112112 [email protected]@ MURE DAN 5 MINZ OV LURNINGS AND SETUPS!!!21123qy6
Edit: Oh and a usability assessment between the two from a self proclaimed ios user. http://spyrestudios.com/android-vs-ios-a-usability-battle/
And http://www.cravingtech.com/android-vs-ios.html
There now can people please stop talking BS?

As much as it pains me to say this, I hate Apple, but if you're buying for your parent/grandparent, get them an apple product. The reason I say that is because they're far more user friendly than anything else out there.
I will say this.. I hate Apple products because of how locked down it is, but I work technical support over the phone and Apple products are the easiest to work with, hence why I say get them an Ipad.
*curls up in a corner and cries*

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I think I too love android. so I will Tablet.

I was going to get the Thinkpad Tablet for my Dad, however I think it would be better off holding it off until next year when Windows 8 tablet comes. A proper OS is much better than a mobile OS IMO.

Usualsuspect182 said:
I am incapable of reading one post above me or supplying evidence for my general rehashed marketing statement. But I know ipads are easy to use cause thats what apple say. One day I will attend the university that all those 5 year olds who know how to use android devices must have attended.
*curls up in a corner and cries*
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10 chars......

I wouldn't even recommend a tablet. They are a luxury not a tool.

Iphone 5 vs Galaxy S II?

Hey guys. Im on t-mobile right now and i was wondering if i should stay with em and get the Galaxy S II, or switch to verizon and get the iPhone 5 when it comes out later this month. I dont really care about services and all that. All i care about is the phone itself and which one is better and has more features and all that good stuff.
Thanks in advanced!
Remember! Im only 13. Gimme a break!

Well if you like playing games...get the iPhone.
For two reasons:
1) The App Store in general has higher quality games (and a much larger selection). (Real Racing 2, Infinity Blade, Rage HD, etc.)
2) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1285162 The A5 has much better graphics performance than the Exynos.
On the other hand if you love modding and tweaking your phone, Android FTW! Jailbreaking is rather limited in comparison.

iPwn_ said:
Well if you like playing games...get the iPhone.
For two reasons:
1) The App Store in general has higher quality games (and a much larger selection). (Real Racing 2, Infinity Blade, Rage HD, etc.)
2) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1285162 The A5 has much better graphics performance than the Exynos.
On the other hand if you love modding and tweaking your phone, Android FTW! Jailbreaking is rather limited in comparison.
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I can confirm that about Real Racing 2. I have it on my iPhone 4 and it's, to me, a smartphone version of Gran Turismo from the Playstation for gameplay and physics. Just a superb smartphone racing game. And the games on iPhone do tend to be superior.

Of course there is going to be a bias in this forum. However, all bias aside, what till the iPhones press release to see what it has to offer. Then decide if a functional phone (with all its downfalls in what I choose for a phone os, it is a very functional phone out of the box. Can't deny that) is for you, or if you like the freedom of android (where my bias lies ) choose that. Although android has flaws like ios, wp7 or any other, SGS2 did a great job of tackling some based on reviews I have read. Based on this and test driving them both, make your decision. Either way have fun with your shiny new toy. Also you could wait for the next nexus, which has me torn between that and the SGS2.
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In all honesty this is like a PC versus Mac comparison. The Galaxy S II is going to be a remarkable phone specs wise, and going by the benchies I've seen the software is great to boot, but Apple is good at appealing to what some people want. An easy UI, while locked down, providing a great experience, but nonetheless I'm far from being an apple fan, with their locked down environment, you wonder why it's called jailbreaking when you root your phone? The fact of the matter is (to me), people are going to flock to the Iphone 5 because of the marketing hype, those in the know will grab the Galaxy SII because they know what's up.

im gonna have to agree to disagree. the galaxy s2 does have some great games as well made by non other Gameloft. asphalt 6 is great looking on the s2, you got games from EA like Need for Speed and many more...For the person who said you can tweak the galaxy s2 more than the iphone you are completely and utterly wrong. for me when i had my iphone 4 i tweaked it up so much it looked like a car out of pimp my ride once i finished with it..in cydia there are so many hundreds of tweaks and stuff that you can do is unbelieavable....also there is an application called dreamboard were you can change so many themes..go on youtube to check it out...
all in all though its down to you little buddy what you want to choose.. i have the galaxy s2 and im very happy...does what i need and my next phone will probably be the s3 if it comes out or shall i say when it comes out....but if you want quality games or shall i say more games then the iphone is the one for you...but true wait tilll they announce it and see what its like

Matriak31 said:
im gonna have to agree to disagree. the galaxy s2 does have some great games as well made by non other Gameloft. asphalt 6 is great looking on the s2, you got games from EA like Need for Speed and many more...For the person who said you can tweak the galaxy s2 more than the iphone you are completely and utterly wrong. for me when i had my iphone 4 i tweaked it up so much it looked like a car out of pimp my ride once i finished with it..in cydia there are so many hundreds of tweaks and stuff that you can do is unbelieavable....also there is an application called dreamboard were you can change so many themes..go on youtube to check it out...
all in all though its down to you little buddy what you want to choose.. i have the galaxy s2 and im very happy...does what i need and my next phone will probably be the s3 if it comes out or shall i say when it comes out....but if you want quality games or shall i say more games then the iphone is the one for you...but true wait tilll they announce it and see what its like
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The problem with the whole "Games" thing is that Apple was first to the punch, and they release a static platform, while me personally I dislike anything apple, the fact is that most companies that produce games go for what works, and sadly iOS is the first in line they develop for, stats wise though if they released games for the Android platform things would be much different, but I guess most people have an Apple on the brain so a lot of the good stuff we see for the iOS won't hit Android.

Usualsuspect182 said:
The problem with the whole "Games" thing is that Apple was first to the punch, and they release a static platform, while me personally I dislike anything apple, the fact is that most companies that produce games go for what works, and sadly iOS is the first in line they develop for, stats wise though if they released games for the Android platform things would be much different, but I guess most people have an Apple on the brain so a lot of the good stuff we see for the iOS won't hit Android.
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true true...but if you look we do have some amazing games for the android though...just because iOS gets first dips doesnt mean we dont have any good ones..and if you read you will see in the next few months dev will be working hard on bringing some exclusives games to android first but anyway if someone wants to buy a phone purely for games they might as well buy a console...

no offence but, I am kind of disappointed by this thread because it seems to me people here have gaming as their number 1 priority.

Dude he's 13. When I was 13 I played games all day on my iPod touch.

I am with Android all the way unless the Iphone comes out with dual GSM CDMA support built in then i am Iphone due to the fact that i like to travel with my phone and give my old phones to relatives over seas.

iPhone is better for you if you like games, simplicity and if you are happy with stock features . Android in general is better for modding and upgrading etc. Jailbreak is limited.

just go for iphone
won't regret

ka'cipeder said:
iPhone is better for you if you like games, simplicity and if you are happy with stock features . Android in general is better for modding and upgrading etc. Jailbreak is limited.
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The only thing you can't do with jailbroken iPhone is change kernels,and cpu speed so saying it's limited is really wrong. Jail broken iPhone has lots of possibilities since the apps they have are way more polished than android apps. Idk why would you change cpu speed and kernels anyway they run flawlessly.
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I finally had a chance to play with the SGS2 this morning. Although a very nice phone, I saw nothing better than the Infuse 4G. Everything the SGS2 has the Infuse has or will have except the dual core CPU and NFC. The Infuse display is not only the same as the SGS2, but is also larger. The styles are almost the same, except the Infuse uses an unbroken black-chrome bezel from front to back. The SGS2 uses a partial black-chrome surround around the front.
As for Gingerbread, the Infuse will eventually have that.
My suggestion would be to wait for the iPhone 5 and see how it fares.

iphone it is!!

Killbynature said:
The only thing you can't do with jailbroken iPhone is change kernels,and cpu speed so saying it's limited is really wrong. Jail broken iPhone has lots of possibilities since the apps they have are way more polished than android apps. Idk why would you change cpu speed and kernels anyway they run flawlessly.
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Well for sgs 2 I do change my cpu speed. However not for overclocking, but for underclocking. The thing is that on 800mhz, it still runs like it is on 1.2ghz and can handle anything currently available, so why not just save my phone the waste of using my up battery on something unneeded.

Or...wait for the Nexus Prime. Not only will it decimate iPhone 5 AND the SII specwise, it'll be loaded with ICS. iPhone is seeing the end of it's days and Apple knows it. Thats why all the "groundbreaking" and "game changing" features they're introducing with iOS 5, are features that already are, and have been available on Android since 1.0. They're blatantly copying Android to keep the iPhone relevant. And even if you do go with the SII, it will probably be seeing an ICS update not long after the Prime is released, so you're SII will have just become better(again) than the just released iPhone. Simple decision I think...

At the end of the day, Samsung will always be miles ahead of Apple when it comes to hardware, with things like screen quality and processing power; and this is because Samsung is competing against other manufacturers such as HTC and Motorola, because android users can choose more than one handset (thank God.)
However Apple doesn't really need to compete, its got a following of...I'm not sure tbh, but its enough to make them the richest company in America.
I'm far from a fan of Apple, but I doubt they're too bothered when it comes to who releases the better handset; considering the fanboy following they have.

Well spec wise, i think the Iphone 5 will come out on top with it's sgx 543mp2 GPU. if it performs practically more than 100% better than the Mali on the sgs2 when running a 720p gaming benchmark test, well that's just a huge facepalm right there.
And as said if you want gaming, the iPhone 5 is your bet for now. The iOs platform holds the gaming spotlight right now and will prolly till say the next yr or 8 months till it will share the spotlight with android.

The Android tablet makers are doing it wrong...

NOTE: If you are looking to troll, insult the intelligence of users of any platform, or flame in any way, then you are in the wrong thread.
To understand why "true" Android tablets (read as tablets besides the Fire) are struggling to gain market share, one must first consider why the iPad, and the Kindle to some extent, has been so successful, and why people choose to use a tablet instead of a laptop in the first place. It has nothing to do with specs. It has to do with three simple words: "Ease of use."
With little effort or thinking required, anyone can pick up an iPad without it being headache inducing or bad for your blood pressure. A good example is Netflix. I don't even want to start the Netflix app on the Transformer Prime. It is painfully slow and non-responsive. On the iPad, the Netflix app with the same exact layout is as smooth as butter and arguably one of the best ways to consume Netflix content. No constantly having to glance at the battery, no rampaging through forums trying to find out why your device is constantly rebooting. It is just you and your tablet having a relaxing, intimate experience.
Unless the Android tablet makers straighten out the reboots, the app issues, the wifi issues, etc before worrying about specs, then Android on tablets is destined to go the way of the Zune.

in the case of netflix, that's netflix's failure, not Android's or the tablet makers.
as for "ease of use", if you think an Android tablet is too hard to just pick up and use, you must be especially inept. both my 56 year old mother and 72 year old step-father picked up my Transformer and were tapping and swiping away like they'd been using a tablet for years, no hiccups at all.

The biggest problem with Android tablets is shoddy,poorly optimized software and lack of apps. Android is nowhere near as smooth as iOS(ICS better than Honeycomb but still nowhere close to iPad), which really degrades the user experience. There is also a severe lack of tablet specific apps, and certain apps run fine on one tablet,but not another even though the hardware is identical. The only way Android tabs can compete is on price, which is why Kindle Fire was able to gain traction. No one I their right mind will pay the same price for an Android tablet that will be obsolete in a few months, and may not receive OS updates. Google really dropped the ball by making Honeycomb such a steaming pile of dung and launching overpriced junk like the Xoom to take on iPad 2, horrible first impression to say the least.

As said above me, the problem is indeed the lack of apps and optimizations for the tablet with both size and hardware specs.
The only reason for that, is that Android 3 was rebuilt from scratch, iOS, which was old and popular already, was simple "streched" over the screen of the iPad. Even the hardware is the same.

Google didn't release the zoom Motorola did. As for honeycomb vs ios, ios is for all purposes the same exact operating system released on the first iPhone. The advancements have been few and far between, and always behind the time. Google actually changed everything, yes some of it did not come out perfect, but honeycomb is a unique ui from gingerbread, froyo, etc. I have some issues with my honeycomb tablet but the limitations of ios out weigh my issue with honeycomb. The ipad is a great product with an offensively boring operating system
Netfilx runs on my tablet with out any lag whats so ever, and I experience no reboots unless I am pushing it with over clocking and what not. Apple makes a one size firts all product. One screen size, one processor, one clock speed, one os, one ui. Most people who complain about android made a poor choice of the device they purchased, then blame the operating system for the performance. With Apple there is one tablet.
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You are definitely right. The downside about Android is not the actual software but in a way how many devices and manufacturers there are. With So many Android devices coming out every other week, it would be almost impossible for Google to be able to take their software and mod it to every new device. With Apple they have one tablet and are able to focus on making things work perfectly on that one device, no other device specs to throw in.

The iPad sells because it is made by Apple and their customers are very loyal to the brand. Developers for the iPad only have 1 (or 2 if you count the 1st gen iPad) device to test on, so there should be no problems. Android app developers have many different devices which means there is a greater chance for issues, but this is not Google's fault or even the tablet maker's fault, it's the app developer.
Android has had quite a few updates in the last few years, both UI and Linux kernel. iOS on the other hand still looks like 2007 with some newer apps included. The tablet versions of Android are still pretty young. Even if the ratio of Android tablets to phones doesn't take off, getting everyone on ICS should help out stability of tablet apps.

sarreq said:
in the case of netflix, that's netflix's failure, not Android's or the tablet makers.
as for "ease of use", if you think an Android tablet is too hard to just pick up and use, you must be especially inept. both my 56 year old mother and 72 year old step-father picked up my Transformer and were tapping and swiping away like they'd been using a tablet for years, no hiccups at all.
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When people are having to read forums and sometimes open up their device to get wifi to work correctly, that is not easy to use. You may not be having this issue, but there are hundreds in the prime forum having it. People use the tablet because it is a more enjoyable experience. If the laptop is more convenient, they will use that instead, which is why people don't want to use Android tablets. They are headache inducing trying to figure out why nothing is working like it should. They have great specs, but software is more important on the tablet form factor.

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When people are having to read forums and sometimes open up their device to get wifi to work correctly, that is not easy to use. You may not be having this issue, but there are hundreds in the prime forum having it. People use the tablet because it is a more enjoyable experience. If the laptop is more convenient, they will use that instead, which is why people don't want to use Android tablets. They are headache inducing trying to figure out why nothing is working like it should. They have great specs, but software is more important on the tablet form factor.
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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device

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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device
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And you missed the whole point of my OP.
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Your issues are not android software related. You should of read the same forums you are talking about before purchasing the device and you would of been aware prior. Because of the fragmentation of android there are plenty of sub par decvices on the market. It is up to the consumer to make a smart decision as to which to purchase.
this is all a matter of prefference so the argument can just go round in circles. If I was to win an I Pad 2 in a raffle I would not even take it out of the box before I sold it and used the proceeds to get an android device
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So you're in a small minority of people who want to waste their cash on a barely functional device running junky software. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people would take an iPad over an Android tablet unless it's much cheaper with a comparable ecosystem ala Kindle Fire.

I don't see the Android tablets ever surpassing the iPad. In the tablet market, the "just working" is even more of a powerful concept than the phones since tablets are generally an extra expense.
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I think the real problem is that people don't want tablets, they want an Ipad. I have never been sold on the tablet craze. My screen is 4.5 inches, why would I need more? I truly believe that this is why Apple keeps the Iphone so small, to almost make a tablet a necessity.

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And you missed the whole point of my OP.
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No I get it, you have problems with your tablet and are assuming the issues are symptomatic of android
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No I get it, you have problems with your tablet and are assuming the issues are symptomatic of android
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No you don't get the point of my OP. The forums for each of the popular tablets, the app selection, and Android market share prove they are symptoms of Android on tablets.
Google and the tablet manufacturers do not get why the tablet form factor became popular in the first place. This is the point of my post.
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My apologies for the bickering, although I do not agree with the premise I respect your position. I have a company iPhone and purchased an android tablet as I prefer the platform. I have a htc flyer and for half the price like it more than my wives iPad. In the end that is just me though

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No you don't get the point of my OP. The forums for each of the popular tablets, the app selection, and Android market share prove they are symptoms of Android on tablets.
Google and the tablet manufacturers do not get why the tablet form factor became popular in the first place. This is the point of my post.
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Isn't that the same thing everyone said about Android on phones when it released?
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Isn't that the same thing everyone said about Android on phones when it released?
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Tablet market is not the same as the phone market. The reason Android gained traction is because carriers needed something to combat the iPhone and it was the best alternative at the time. Android gained market share because carriers embraced it since it put them back in the driver's seat, they could take out features,install loads of crapware and modify the OS to their heart's content. The majority of Android phones sold aren't premium handsets, but low to midrange phones of the BOGO or free with contract variety. Meanwhile tablets are typically not bought with a contract and wifi models are far more popular, which cuts the carriers out of the loop. This puts vendors in a precarious position,because they can't rely on carrier subsidies and can't compete with Apple on price due to their purchasing power. Trying to push an Android tablet at $500+ is an automatic fail because there aren't enough Apple haters or hardcore geeks who are pretty much your only market at that price point. The fact that W8 is also looming on the horizon and looks to be a much better tablet OS than anything that Google is bringing to the table doesn't help either.

More and more Android tablet makers are getting it right, starting now, just the way Google is getting the Android experience to match up to the iOS experience. It is true iOS was light years ahead in terms of beauty, simplicity, ease of use, performance etc - but Google (with Android) and many of the tablet makers (Samsung, Amazon, and now even the ODMs/OEMs in rest of the world) are catching up in terms of the OS experience - ICS is quite simply amazing, and one can't say it is horrible compared to iOS, even if one loves iOS.
The reason why many people complained about Android, rightly so, is caused by the fact that Android didn't dictate what hardware it must be run on, allowing manufacturers to make compromises/mistakes on the hardware (processor, memory, display etc) whereas Apple ensured the hardware is just as good as the OS, and even more than that Apple knew the internals of iOS and its processor/hardware really well from before, and could ensure the best optimized experience. With more manufacturers learning more about Android now - they are becoming more sophisticated in their engineering - and the Android experience will continue to flourish. And not just Google's own flavor of Android, but fork-offs like those of Amazon (and maybe others like Samsung?) may result in even more special things!
Its certainly an exciting time for Android, and in general, consumer electronics. As coders, I hope we all can add to this and bring great products to life!

As an avid android phone user, as well as a android tablet user, after comparing it with an iPad, my only gripe with my android tablet is the lack of productivity applications.
I can't seem to find one that fits my needs well enough. Most productivity apps (e.g. note taking, office applications) seems to be subpar and not a worthy laptop replacement. I haven't found a worthy office application on the iPad either. However, for note taking with a capacitive pen, iPad do have applications that performs pretty well, and those are mighty useful from the feel of it. This is my biggest gripe about the android tablet. This is coming from a university student, and of course it is probably less related to business based in terms of note taking.
Productivity aside, I love using my android tablet to watch shows, moboplayer is simply one good media player that is really convenient, unlike the iOS. As for games, there are hardly any games worth playing on the mobile platform. If I wanted proper games, I'd pick up my DS or PSP along the way rather than playing some half assed game on iOS or Android. This is my personal opinion of mobile platform gaming, most of the games are largely boring, that being said, there are some A grade games being ported off PC indie games that are worth playing on the mobile platform. Other than that, the general population of games arn't exactly worth playing.

which tablet to choose?

just to let everyone know up front I am not considering any apple tablets, so please do not suggest them
I've been looking at the HTC Flyer, the Samsung Galaxy tab, but am not sure if there are any other decent tablets out there between 7'' - 12''
budgets is about 200-400 quid
I'm just having a hard time making a decision, I'm not bothered about 1080p playback 720p is fine with me, must have a decent processor/gpu as I like to play alot of games as well, must be android only
at least 5mp camera, preferable with the option of being able to root and ICS
do i get a 3g sim or non 3g? what the heck do i do?
hdmi out is a selling point, dual core is a selling point
I won't be making calls on it but I might want to use 3g+ on it if im out and about
rooting and customisation very important
any one got any decent suggestions,
EDIT:
GOT THE XOOM IN THE END, WHAT A TABLET!! its freaking amazing

I hear the Tab is quite good.
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mox123 said:
just to let everyone know up front I am not considering any apple tablets, so please do not suggest them
I've been looking at the HTC Flyer, the Samsung Galaxy tab, but am not sure if there are any other decent tablets out there between 7'' - 12''
budgets is about 200-400 quid
I'm just having a hard time making a decision, I'm not bothered about 1080p playback 720p is fine with me, must have a decent processor/gpu as I like to play alot of games as well, must be android only
at least 5mp camera, preferable with the option of being able to root and ICS
do i get a 3g sim or non 3g? what the heck do i do?
hdmi out is a selling point, dual core is a selling point
I won't be making calls on it but I might want to use 3g+ on it if im out and about
rooting and customisation very important
any one got any decent suggestions,
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This should help you choose lol
droidfather.com/VideoCategory/Android-Tablets

The Asus transformer series are really nice, I'm looking around to get a Samsung Galaxy Tab myself soon, it looks quiet promising.

I would recommend the Motorola Xoom. The development for the device has been stellar, the devs are awesome and has an unlockable bootloader. Cm9 and other wonderful custom roms like Team EOS nightly builds are solid, fast and will make others envious. The Xoom feels solid and is well built. The screen is not as nice as the ones found on the Asus transformer or Samsung Tab but it isn't bad either. Those other screens also have their cons due to the nature of their technology. There have also been a decent amount of complaints about Asus build quality and Samsung lack of timely updates. The Xoom was the first to get ICS, the first to get a cornerstone build, the first to be officially supported tab for Cm9 and continues to have the latest android enhancements via Team EOS roms. Also the proprietary charger charges the xoom pretty fast and the accessories are cheap now due to it being out for a while. Because it was the first to market, it doesn't mean the it is obsolete. I got a bit of a bad rep in the beginning due to screw ups on Motorola part but all is well now.
I have a 4g Xoom and use it every day. I run the Team EOS nightlys, with the device overlooked to 1.4 (i can get 1.6, but not needed) and undervolted to save juice. Feel free to check out the development thread to verify my claims. Cheers!

what about the xoom 2?
i actually like the look of the xoom 1 but the xoom 2 doesnt look great, whats your thoughts

mox123 said:
what about the xoom 2?
i actually like the look of the xoom 1 but the xoom 2 doesnt look great, whats your thoughts
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Don't get the xoom 2. The bootloader is locked, there isn't nearly as much dev support, no custom roms, no micro sd card slot (deal breaker), more expensive and not all the much of an improvement. It also isn't a Google experience device.
Yea, this I will admit the the screen is better and the writing tech is nice. But you will kick yourself for not going with a better supported device. Before I purchase anything, I checked to see how the community support of the device is and recommend that others do the same. I don't want to solely rely on manufacturers for support.

To be honest I would wait for the Windows 8 tablets if you truly cannot buy an Apple device, as all of the Android tablets still suck(to put it mildly). The iPad is just in a whole another league right now, and ICS didn't make the situation any better. They all lag like crazy, even the 7.7 inch Exynos-equipped Tablet from Samsung. The tablet experience just isn't there yet for android.

What ever you do never get an LG V900 or V909, cant be rooted, or just shortly until you reboot.
Unless you like stock and no root.

Have a look to the Acer Iconia 501.

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To be honest I would wait for the Windows 8 tablets if you truly cannot buy an Apple device, as all of the Android tablets still suck(to put it mildly). The iPad is just in a whole another league right now, and ICS didn't make the situation any better. They all lag like crazy, even the 7.7 inch Exynos-equipped Tablet from Samsung. The tablet experience just isn't there yet for android.
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Wow really? What tablets running ICS have you owned? My Xoom running Team EOS ICS 4.0.3 is smooth an rarely lags.
The ipad hardware is in another league but the software is still Crap. What good is having all of that power and design but only being able to do 1/4 of what an android tablet can do? Also you are limited to whatever apps Apple deems fit in their one appstore. The other other alternative is to jailbreak and uses cydia. Don't even get me started on having to rely on a pc or mac to back up apps and settings usin itunes. On android I just use titanium backup and clockwork recovery to make a full back up to my micro sd card. I have been through that Crap an will never go back. Have you?
I also like how people are assuming windows 8 is going to be the answer for everyone. It can't run your normal desktop apps, I will be more expensive, it will be locked down, possibly more vulnerable due to it being based of windows and missing so awesome features due to limited api access or something similar. Keep in mind the Android was never intended to take on desktop OSs and the ios doesn't come any closer to accomplishing that. ios is worst. I don't care if here are 200,000+ apps, how many fart emulators and angry birds clones do you need? I how many apps do people on average even bother downloading from the appstore? I can tell you it is not 200,000 or even 50.
I will admit that the stock rom may have its issues, the custom roms usually fixes and enhances the user experience. I have only used the Motorola Xoom and Asus Transformer. Both have Cm9 and Team EOS ICS 4.0.3 nightlys available for them that run like butter. I never use stock rom.
ICS is there in tablet experience and will be getting better with release of 4.0.5 and 4.0.4. I wish people wih limited hands on experience would stop making blanket general statements. Not having the opportunity to tinker wih various hardware and software is one thing, but being unsatisfied wih the out of he box experience is another. This is XDA, experiment, create and discover.

ASUS Transformer Series are good and popular

@runhopskipjump: Way to go turning this into an Apple vs Android thread. Read any reputable review site that actually have an objective viewpoint on the matter and you'll come to realize exactly what everyone else has(except for some die-hard android fans): the android experience does not translate well onto tablets yet.
I love android, and have been waiting on an android tablet that would match the iPad, like the SGS did with the iPhone, but alas no tablet has done so yet and with the new iPad, apple leapfrogged the android manufacturers by a year, again.
The only tablet I would even remotely consider is the updated Transformer Prime TF700, but that won't be out until June.
Windows 8 is going to bridge the gap between the PC and Tablet space, allowing tablets to run desktop apps and vice versa. I hate having to have two devices, when one should be enough. The battery life of the current crop of Windows 7 tablets just isn't quite there yet and is the only obstacle keeping me from buying one, and I am hoping that the arm version of Windows 8 is going to remedy that.

thats the problem alot of the hardware does suck, however with the tegra 3 having only 1 gpu core compared to a5x's 4 gpus,
i think apple did the right thing here but I can't support a company like apple
the transformer prime sucks and they have made a new model of the same prime tablet due to issues with the back aluminum and some slight enhancements,
so in a way there is a flaw with those tablets right there and to overcome those you need to purchase the even new model of the prime,
I don't want to be running around, I just want something that will work hardware wise, and the software I can work around with custom roms,

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i would chose the samsung galaxy tab

I really recommend you TAB from Samsung Galaxy family

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I'm very satisfied with my galaxy tab 10.1
Covers all my needs, has great ROMs - I've only tried overcome, but there are others - and is overclockable.
Now that I've found the switchme app - me, my wife and child all have our separate accounts on it.
Whatever you get, make sure you have enough internal space for such an app.
It's very convenient for more than one user to be able to have their own google account on a tablet, since they often are shared my more than one user.
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its such a hard choice as they are all good but only one is going to be bought,
I wish I could make up my damn mind

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its such a hard choice as they are all good but only one is going to be bought,
I wish I could make up my damn mind
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If money is no object, you have two choices. Either you want a tablet can double down as a netbook and you go for the upcoming ASUS Transformer tablet (skip the Prime, I've heard from several people that it has connectivity issues), or you're more into consuming media, in which case Samsung Galaxy Tab is really good.
At this point it slowly starts to become a matter of taste. The top competitors are pretty close to each other. I'm curious about the upcoming Google-branded tablet too - I kicked the HTC Sense to the curb after a mere 2 weeks and replaced it with AOSP, so I don't put great trust in third party shells.