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I am wondering whether to buy a plus to learn webOS development, does anyone thinks there will be a big market share of webOS phone?
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I don't see why not. webOS is going to be big next year. I think every app in the market needs to be rewritten in order to work with the new Enyo framework. Now is the time to make apps
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I don't see why not. webOS is going to be big next year. I think every app in the market needs to be rewritten in order to work with the new Enyo framework. Now is the time to make apps
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Great.
But what is the official version of a Pre plus has? I am wondering whether I should buy a pre plus or considering newer model.
I have a Verizon Pre Plus. The most recent updated version on mine is Palm WebOS 1.4.5.
Of all of the phones I've owned, or played with, WebOS is the best and most intuitive - even better than iOS. However, Palm/HP needs to get over the clunky slider hardware.
I love my Pre. I was and still am a Win Mo diehard. Absolutely hated Android, Win7, iOS, and Blackberry. After picking up my pre I haven't looked elsewhere.
Even though it has many shortfalls, WebOS is SUPREMELY easy to use. It just feels so elegant and polished. Never once has my phone froze, stuttered, or slowed down during use. Multitasking is unrivalled.
With HP pushing new stuff out in the summer, and WebOS on PC shortly after. 2011 is going to be big with WebOS
Honestly... I don't think so
Look, I love webOS- I really do. It's a great mobile operating system and is really underrated and I want to see it thrive. But I've had a Pre Plus for year now, and while I love webOS, I can't stand the hardware. The screen is small, the processor is slow (but there's always overclocking ), the battery life is bad, and it's got a terrible build quality- I'm on my 5th Pre at least. It could be more, I've lost count. But when I went to Palm Developer Day in November 2010, I got a free Pre 2, as did everyone else who went. The Pre 2 was an awesome phone. I loved it, and I'd recommend you buy it if you're interested in webOS. It's got a much better build quality and is much faster than the Pre Plus, and it comes with webOS 2.0 out of the box. Unfortunately, my Pre 2 was run over (I'm kinda careless as you can tell) and no longer works, but for the 3 or so months that I had it, I loved it. It was a great phone, and I highly recommend it. You can get the unlocked GSM version and put whatever SIM you like in it (you'll get AT&T 3G, but not T-Mobile 3G, sorry) and you'll be good to go, or you can buy the Verizon version. Either way, the Pre2 is the way to go. Good luck!
Yes, I also would recommend you to buy a new Pre 2 as he is going to get the Update to newer WebOS-Versions which will support the new development modell (Enyo which uses Javascript, you can also mix C or only use C for development).
You can get a cheaper developer Pre 2 if you register.
Just look here to get started:
developer.palm.com
I don't think that WebOS will surpass Apple or Google very fast and in this year it will "only" establish and stabilise itself. The next year is when it is getting bigger. For now there is still some room for good Applications in WebOS.
We have good Twitter, Music and Notes-Apps... But I guess if you have an idea and you kick it your idea will work wherever you try^^
A third working eco-system, especially at the start, is a big chance for "new" guys or people who have a good App which now only is on the third, fourth or fifth place because the platform where he is now already isn't very "flexible" any more and has some big established players. In such an environment he could try to make himself a name on another platform before the big ones show up.
I am selling a LNIB pre 2 gsm unlocked. PM me if interested.
Wait for pre 3
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wait for the pre3
I think webos is promising, but still need a lot of work before it becomes perfect and mature as iOS and android. You can try pre plus.
wait for the Pre 3
buy a veer. it can open upto 30 apps and still run.
I have about $500 to buy a new unlocked phone and I'm looking at the Nexus S. Until recently I'd just choose the cheapest phone the phone plan offered, so I'm really overwhelmed with this choice. Any advice is appreciated!
I need:
A fast phone (I HATE waiting on apps to open, waiting for screens to change, etc.)
A camera of some kind
Android OS
Ability to root and (probably) install Cyanogen
Good battery life
I don't need:
Music player
Super wonderful camera
HD whatever (I don't even totally get what that whole deal is lol)
I'd also like fast internet... but I have a 3g phone now and rarely even see it say 3g in the data icon. It doesn't seem to make a difference anyway because it takes a million years to load a web site no matter what. I've had it in two different states with supposed 3g coverage so I know it's available. In short, 4g would be nice but it's not a dealbreaker.
So... should I take the plunge on the Nexus S? Or look at another phone or wait for a new release? I've been looking at all kinds of phones for a couple days and I'm just confused. Thanks!
why not wait until Galaxy S II comes out in Aug/Sept
Your first 4 needs are pretty much standard in any high-end Android phone these days. Battery life is subjective on how you use the phone so it's a bit hard to narrow it down for you in that regard as well.
If you gave a more specific criteria, then maybe we could help you further but so far the Nexus S does fit the bill for what you need (but so do many other phones).
As usual, as soon as I post I find the answer... Nexus Prime coming out later this year. 4g and dual-core processor so it sounds like what I want now basically. I guess I'll have to suffer my chipped up old mytouch 3g snail for a little longer.
Thanks!
Hello,
When I consider your expectations, I can say that "yes Nexus S is right for you"
Because I have Nexus S since 10 days, i can not explain taste of pure Android
so fast, stability and reliable.
Absolutely when the nexus series is released, i will buy it
The Nexus S is a great phone for a variety of reasons. As someone who started as a complete novice and has since been bitten by the Android bug pretty hard, I'll try to give you some pros and cons.
The big "con," at least on first examination, is the hardware. Yeah, there are more powerful phones out there; but don't let specs fool you. I went from a Galaxy S to the Atrix because I was lured in by the dual core processor, gb of RAM, etc. Specs don't tell the whole story. The Nexus S is smoother, faster, and more stable than the Atrix, by FAR. I figured I could solve any problems with the Atrix by running CM7 as I had on my Galaxy S...but ROMs are in short supply for the Atrix. The Nexus S, on the other hand, is pretty much perfect straight out of the box (well, once you set it up to your liking).
The elephant in the room when it comes to choosing a new phone these days is Ice Cream Sandwich. No matter what, when ICS comes out, it's going to take time to make it onto most devices, even through unofficial channels. The Nexus S, on the other hand, will get an official update asap. As someone who also uses Honeycomb (3.2), I can tell you the ICS update is probably going to be fantastic.
So, you can get a phone with superior hardware and then jump through hoops to make it smooth, stable, and fast, or you can get a Nexus S. You'll have a great phone as soon as you power it on, and you'll have ICS as soon as it's available.
I've had a Galaxy S, two Atrix 4Gs, a Nook Color with Gingerbread, a Xoom with 3.0/3.1/3.2, and a Nexus S 4G- I can honestly tell you that nothing is better than pure Google. You will have official updates as soon as they're available, and you'll have those updates incorporated into custom ROMs sooner as a result. Everyone else will be jumping through hoops and dealing with buggy ROMs to get the same features.
I been thinking about picking up a Nexus S 4G but the only thing that's stopping me is fear of it not being dual core. not sure how smooth Icecream sandwich would be on it since it's not a dual core phone and the last thing on my mind would the next Nexus phone coming out... the thing is that there's been a lot of speculation that it's going to come out with a 4.3 inch screen which i don't really like in phones.... I like phones that can actually fit in skinny jeans -.-
hello,
first of all, i love follwing the tech and seeing present devices getting better with better softwares.. i own a xoom for 2 months and i really love it.. but -like most of the people here, probably- i believe the software is not fully optimized for the hardware.. in my computers i always used nvidia products, because i believe it did its job very good even when the ati competitors were better on the paper.. so here i am with a tegra 2 SoC and i cant find any game as smooth as ipad games..
now -in addition to my xoom- i was planning to buy a samsung galaxy tab 10.1 (one is for my girlfriend, one is for me but mostly to be used together) but when i was making some research, last night i found nvidia ULP and ipad 2 comparisons and could not believe the results.. ipad 2 was 2-6 times faster/better than the motorola xoom.. imeedieatly i downloaded the same tests and i ran them too and ended up with same results unfortunately.. and then i downloaded lots of high quality games and every time i ended between 20-25 FPS.. i think it is not satisfying..
i dont believe apple has the alien technology, i think the software makes the difference.. so i asked myself to questions;
"what do i plan to use my tablet for" and
"what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS comes"???
my expectations from ISC is to bring more optimisation to our devices, i cant say no to new cool feautures but first i want my existing ones to be perfect...
to be honest, i can not answer both questions... i can only answer what i want from a tablet.. and again to be honest i guess i am hungry for performance, even though i do not need it. so in every tests tegra 2 cpu beats a5, and the web pages (the first thing i want my tablet to do professionally) are super faster loading then the ipad2 ... besides i love customizable home screen definition, i love being easy to carry my media from the computer or to the computer with one cable without any software.. and i love being able to connect my hard drive so that i can give up from my laptop once i buy a bluetooth keyboard..
but my second question; what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS here? will iOS5 catch up with android by beating it in CPU and usefullness tests too or will ICS cacth up with the smoothnes and games performance and the promises they gave?
in my country asus transformer, acer iconia a500, ipad 2 16gb, motorola xoom are same prices and samsung galaxy tab is about 40 dollars more expencive in second hands or abroad products.. so i dont care about the price here.. what i am asking is which one is going to better according to your opinion between all these devices? and which one is going to give me more development and more increase in perfection?
i am so confused and every opinion is wellcomed.. i am planning to use it mostly for web browsing as a laptop replecement, gaming, photo and video making/editing/storing and -if possible- using engineering programs like the icircuit in ipad or the autocad in galaxy s (i have it on my galaxy s but i could not run it in tablet)..
so please share) thanks..
okay...
as you are FULLY aware... we are talking apples and oranges here
1. iOS is for people who want something out of the box.. not worried about setting much up and have a billion games... for now atleast (something my grandma would like to be honest)
2. Android OS is far superior with whats under the hood and the customizations and endless tweeking...
my simple answer is... do you want something the same as every other...er... individual (*snickers* - as the ad's would have you believe).. or something that is truly your OWN device
i bet 9 out of 10 people in the xoom forum has something that is entirely unique to the next... i love this aspect... i like having something a little different.. i like to tweek untill i break it or have the best device out there.. 3/4 of the time if there is an app for the iOS there is a better app for android.. for example.. there is only crap remote mouse apps for iOS and yet i have unified remote full for android a masterpiece and i can control nearly every aspect of my computer via a remote with my android devices (yes there is splashtop HD for iOS and android but this is not always a viable solution and trust me i have both)... this is just one example as i cbf putting down the many apps i have that are better (foto tile slideshow - the live wallpaper is another AWESOME app that comes to mind)
last and not least... lets remember software for both devices are going crazy.. however now the tables have turned with android leading the way and iOS playing catch up and ice cream is going to be one hell of an update to which im pretty sure xoom will be compatible =]
i know i may have not 100% been to topic but had to express something (you did say all views were welcome lol)
I agree with the above poster...and will add that no matter what we wish, we will never have the very best, fastest,most bleeding-edge device because once we buy, there will always be something newer, faster, better, etc. IOS gives you what it wants you to have. Android lets you have (or create) what you want.
If you are rooted, with Tiamat Hammerhead Rom and the Tachi oc gpu kernel, and a launcher like ADW Ex, could the Xoom be any smoother?
It does make a difference how hands-on you want to be.
thanks for it.. you have made very good points..
i guess i am trying to look at it as computers.. when i had my desktop it was not a big deal when one of the parts was getting old/slower becuase i was able to change only that one without spending big money... but once that world (both hardware and games) got larger it got harder to follow and find the best one.. so i felt like i was lost between nvidia and ati products.. then i switched to laptops when i became more mobile in daily life and when laptops offered more graphic power.. and i always thought GPU first and the ram 2nd, and the HDD 3rd.. CPU was ok to wait.. because CPU tech is already a lot higher than todays daily process needings..
so with the same feeling i have the same reflex to go for the better GPU one.. i feel like the weaker GPU one is going to get old faster/earlier.. this scares me..
and there is also the untidyness in the android world.. there are hundreds of phones with different specs and only a few of them has the full control of every feauture android can give you.. so when you buy a cheap android phone you are not only lacking some hardware, but also being some short on the software too.. they solved this mostly by making the tegra 2 the center of the tablets and i believe ICS will bring even more tidyness to the world just like apple world.. but i still have my suspicious with ICS, because i have read an opinion here in xda, he says ; ICS is a big development for 2.3 devices not for the 3.x devices.. but i want to believe better drivers will come and help us benefit from our hardware better.. nvidia has done that before when the game crysis was out, they increased the overall performance by %10 for every 8xxx card with a new firmware..
besides i made some research and some experiments; apperiantly this ULP is first defining the need of the FPS and then setting it as a limit to keep the power comsumption low.. so even though it can go faster or produce more FPS it stays in the limit of 28 especially in the desktop while ipad can go with 60 FPS.. i guess this is excatly what makes me jealous.. because i feel like my tablet does not have power to do that...
so basicly, i do not like apple anymore after they sue everyone they see as a thread... but i also believe the complains i made (the belief of the GPU being much more worse than the ipad 2 GPU) scares me.. i put my faith on the new software before, to nokia.. and every time they have given a new software to their "smartphones" they ruined it even more.. so far, in android, everything is just going good.. every new version came with better optimizations and i want to believe it is going to be like this in the future..
i guess my opinions and fears are mostly emotional and coming from my unfortunate experiences.. but i get attached to every device of mine and i want them to be good enough and last long enough .. so i do not want to feel like i am buying something to be old so quick under the shadow of new coming kal-el and already existing apple ipad 2..
Buy a xoom and root it! You have the use of SD card, flash drives, and USB hdd's. My wife looked at the options and realized she takes photos and needs access to her camera and to her hdd she uses to store those photos. Not one other tablet can do what the xoom can do! Sure it has some flaws, but at the same time it has less of those flaws than any tablet I have tested so far. My Logitech wireless mouse works, and every other device I have at my house. One cable to do it all, not several diff things like the tab 10.1. You want a custom PC, then here it is!
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Maybe you should just be prepared to buy and sell whatever you no longer want so you can buy something new.Unfortunately none of us, except e.mote can tell the future.
I guess your points are valid considering alot if the economic uncertainty.. However one must argue that the ipad in all its glory is not a technological advancement.. Think about it.. U can do some neat things yet you cant replace a desktop with it.. Yet the Android comes so close it can almost blur the line entirely.. You can also try and get a windows 7 tab for cheaper as i was looking at these but i weighed up the usefulness and the tech side in me and now people watch me screw around with the xoom on the train and how individualistic it is and then my phone is a new avenue for full customization.. Sure they are not for all and its funny to watch the smartest people i know fumble with such a device and stick to apple babble like its the be all and get slugged a premium its great to see the sheep follow =]
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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
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essentially... when do u want a device... NOW or NEVER?.. there is always going to be a newer better device in the future... why did you buy your phone when u did when there are better phones out now or the future... same with your computer... same crap... if you wait for the next one you will never have anything and never enjoy the benefits of such a device... personally im happy to have a device for 12 months maybe less and grab the next newest bit... because someone else in my family will benefit form the older software and i continue with the newest gadget
This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
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This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
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^^ exactly... this is my second tablet in less than a year and just the difference between froyo and honeycomb is astounding... i did my research before buying this tab.. in fact from my first experience i didn't want another tab at all... i despise apple products on general principle (not relevant but yeh) so it took alot of research and convincing about another tab.... i was going to buy a galaxy tab 10.1 yet upon buying it at auction i came across the xoom.. and viewed the true capabilities and noted that the galaxy tab is just a android iOS device and the xoom is a true android device and something that can fulfill my experimental side..
Just buy the iPad 2.
2 great tablets, no one needs to persuade you to use android.
Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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huh, why would anyone who doesn't own any android products would even register on this site in the first place?
hammer4203 said:
Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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i am only fan of people who develope, share, help and moreover ask to themselves and try to answer what they are doing with their devices and what they are planning to add to this in the future.. i am not fan of companies..
i know myself, i did this mistake before; i saw the 60 FPS shiny world of the iphone and when i was most bored with my lag-crazy nokia i swicthed to it (3gs) and found myself trying to buy a perfect book page by page and i was not able to choose the chapters..
when i had iphone i tried to customize the hardware limitations, unfortunately it was impossible.. then i tried to make things easier (like tried to get rid of itunes) that failed too.. and after 2 months i realised my little shiny and so called super optimized phone was lagging, this was when i learned iOS was able to lag too..
then after another failing nokia symbian update experience i tried android with galaxy s.. and that world my friend, became my addiction..
however; when i was making surfing throuh other forum sites i ran into some opinions and fears. they have become my fears too.. now i am making a summary of them in very short sentences, so i believe i will make myself more clear;
first thing like i said i always believed in every mobile device the GPU gets older first.. so, especially in my laptops i always tried to choose the better GPU over te CPU or the other specs.. and one day i was reading reviews about tegra 2 potential but then i saw ipad 2 was -sometimes- up to 5 times faster than it in graphic tests... that made me scared..
the second thing; i am fully aware of that our hardware is as valuable as its software and nokia failed me about it again and again.. one day, i found an web page which says ICS will make the performance 1.8 times better.. i assume (i want to assume) this is mostly graphic performance because CPU performance is already the best but i thing nvidia drivers needs to be optimized.. so the best thing is to wait for ICS and then decide about how android-tablet worlds growing bigger and success.. but, on the other hand, we are waiting for the tomorrows technology with yesterdays device.. this is my second fear, because i heard the quad core products are being released in this fall.. i am scared of being outdated even before i can enjoy the full performance of my xoom..
i have just shared these two fears and then realised apple owners did not have them.. so i asked here if apple is better at them.. it was not an "should i buy apple or android" topic.. but if people said "tegra 2 and honeycomb are temprory and will be history together soon and the real devices are the quad-core ones" i would go for an ipad 2 (maybe) for 6-9 months and then go back to android..
and not to forget; in my years, i have forgatten lots of device i used with their good or bad sides but i have never forgatten the people i shared knowledge and experience with.. and i am a fan of them..
I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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thank you.. i have narrowed down the equation to samsung tab 10.1 vs xoom .. i am trying to choose between them now.. i saw samurai 2 vengence and some other games and know i am so sure it is good enough as a toy too..
None of the tegra games seem to work right on honeycomb. I do like scrabble from ea. And cordy is kinda fun. Played one of the sniper games and it wasn't bad at all. Most of the games you have to buy and I just haven't found a good one I like. I wish halo reach could be done. Then I would be set!
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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Very well said--great points.
Hey guys. Im on t-mobile right now and i was wondering if i should stay with em and get the Galaxy S II, or switch to verizon and get the iPhone 5 when it comes out later this month. I dont really care about services and all that. All i care about is the phone itself and which one is better and has more features and all that good stuff.
Thanks in advanced!
Remember! Im only 13. Gimme a break!
Well if you like playing games...get the iPhone.
For two reasons:
1) The App Store in general has higher quality games (and a much larger selection). (Real Racing 2, Infinity Blade, Rage HD, etc.)
2) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1285162 The A5 has much better graphics performance than the Exynos.
On the other hand if you love modding and tweaking your phone, Android FTW! Jailbreaking is rather limited in comparison.
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Well if you like playing games...get the iPhone.
For two reasons:
1) The App Store in general has higher quality games (and a much larger selection). (Real Racing 2, Infinity Blade, Rage HD, etc.)
2) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1285162 The A5 has much better graphics performance than the Exynos.
On the other hand if you love modding and tweaking your phone, Android FTW! Jailbreaking is rather limited in comparison.
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I can confirm that about Real Racing 2. I have it on my iPhone 4 and it's, to me, a smartphone version of Gran Turismo from the Playstation for gameplay and physics. Just a superb smartphone racing game. And the games on iPhone do tend to be superior.
Of course there is going to be a bias in this forum. However, all bias aside, what till the iPhones press release to see what it has to offer. Then decide if a functional phone (with all its downfalls in what I choose for a phone os, it is a very functional phone out of the box. Can't deny that) is for you, or if you like the freedom of android (where my bias lies ) choose that. Although android has flaws like ios, wp7 or any other, SGS2 did a great job of tackling some based on reviews I have read. Based on this and test driving them both, make your decision. Either way have fun with your shiny new toy. Also you could wait for the next nexus, which has me torn between that and the SGS2.
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In all honesty this is like a PC versus Mac comparison. The Galaxy S II is going to be a remarkable phone specs wise, and going by the benchies I've seen the software is great to boot, but Apple is good at appealing to what some people want. An easy UI, while locked down, providing a great experience, but nonetheless I'm far from being an apple fan, with their locked down environment, you wonder why it's called jailbreaking when you root your phone? The fact of the matter is (to me), people are going to flock to the Iphone 5 because of the marketing hype, those in the know will grab the Galaxy SII because they know what's up.
im gonna have to agree to disagree. the galaxy s2 does have some great games as well made by non other Gameloft. asphalt 6 is great looking on the s2, you got games from EA like Need for Speed and many more...For the person who said you can tweak the galaxy s2 more than the iphone you are completely and utterly wrong. for me when i had my iphone 4 i tweaked it up so much it looked like a car out of pimp my ride once i finished with it..in cydia there are so many hundreds of tweaks and stuff that you can do is unbelieavable....also there is an application called dreamboard were you can change so many themes..go on youtube to check it out...
all in all though its down to you little buddy what you want to choose.. i have the galaxy s2 and im very happy...does what i need and my next phone will probably be the s3 if it comes out or shall i say when it comes out....but if you want quality games or shall i say more games then the iphone is the one for you...but true wait tilll they announce it and see what its like
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im gonna have to agree to disagree. the galaxy s2 does have some great games as well made by non other Gameloft. asphalt 6 is great looking on the s2, you got games from EA like Need for Speed and many more...For the person who said you can tweak the galaxy s2 more than the iphone you are completely and utterly wrong. for me when i had my iphone 4 i tweaked it up so much it looked like a car out of pimp my ride once i finished with it..in cydia there are so many hundreds of tweaks and stuff that you can do is unbelieavable....also there is an application called dreamboard were you can change so many themes..go on youtube to check it out...
all in all though its down to you little buddy what you want to choose.. i have the galaxy s2 and im very happy...does what i need and my next phone will probably be the s3 if it comes out or shall i say when it comes out....but if you want quality games or shall i say more games then the iphone is the one for you...but true wait tilll they announce it and see what its like
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The problem with the whole "Games" thing is that Apple was first to the punch, and they release a static platform, while me personally I dislike anything apple, the fact is that most companies that produce games go for what works, and sadly iOS is the first in line they develop for, stats wise though if they released games for the Android platform things would be much different, but I guess most people have an Apple on the brain so a lot of the good stuff we see for the iOS won't hit Android.
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The problem with the whole "Games" thing is that Apple was first to the punch, and they release a static platform, while me personally I dislike anything apple, the fact is that most companies that produce games go for what works, and sadly iOS is the first in line they develop for, stats wise though if they released games for the Android platform things would be much different, but I guess most people have an Apple on the brain so a lot of the good stuff we see for the iOS won't hit Android.
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true true...but if you look we do have some amazing games for the android though...just because iOS gets first dips doesnt mean we dont have any good ones..and if you read you will see in the next few months dev will be working hard on bringing some exclusives games to android first but anyway if someone wants to buy a phone purely for games they might as well buy a console...
no offence but, I am kind of disappointed by this thread because it seems to me people here have gaming as their number 1 priority.
Dude he's 13. When I was 13 I played games all day on my iPod touch.
I am with Android all the way unless the Iphone comes out with dual GSM CDMA support built in then i am Iphone due to the fact that i like to travel with my phone and give my old phones to relatives over seas.
iPhone is better for you if you like games, simplicity and if you are happy with stock features . Android in general is better for modding and upgrading etc. Jailbreak is limited.
just go for iphone
won't regret
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iPhone is better for you if you like games, simplicity and if you are happy with stock features . Android in general is better for modding and upgrading etc. Jailbreak is limited.
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The only thing you can't do with jailbroken iPhone is change kernels,and cpu speed so saying it's limited is really wrong. Jail broken iPhone has lots of possibilities since the apps they have are way more polished than android apps. Idk why would you change cpu speed and kernels anyway they run flawlessly.
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I finally had a chance to play with the SGS2 this morning. Although a very nice phone, I saw nothing better than the Infuse 4G. Everything the SGS2 has the Infuse has or will have except the dual core CPU and NFC. The Infuse display is not only the same as the SGS2, but is also larger. The styles are almost the same, except the Infuse uses an unbroken black-chrome bezel from front to back. The SGS2 uses a partial black-chrome surround around the front.
As for Gingerbread, the Infuse will eventually have that.
My suggestion would be to wait for the iPhone 5 and see how it fares.
iphone it is!!
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The only thing you can't do with jailbroken iPhone is change kernels,and cpu speed so saying it's limited is really wrong. Jail broken iPhone has lots of possibilities since the apps they have are way more polished than android apps. Idk why would you change cpu speed and kernels anyway they run flawlessly.
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Well for sgs 2 I do change my cpu speed. However not for overclocking, but for underclocking. The thing is that on 800mhz, it still runs like it is on 1.2ghz and can handle anything currently available, so why not just save my phone the waste of using my up battery on something unneeded.
Or...wait for the Nexus Prime. Not only will it decimate iPhone 5 AND the SII specwise, it'll be loaded with ICS. iPhone is seeing the end of it's days and Apple knows it. Thats why all the "groundbreaking" and "game changing" features they're introducing with iOS 5, are features that already are, and have been available on Android since 1.0. They're blatantly copying Android to keep the iPhone relevant. And even if you do go with the SII, it will probably be seeing an ICS update not long after the Prime is released, so you're SII will have just become better(again) than the just released iPhone. Simple decision I think...
At the end of the day, Samsung will always be miles ahead of Apple when it comes to hardware, with things like screen quality and processing power; and this is because Samsung is competing against other manufacturers such as HTC and Motorola, because android users can choose more than one handset (thank God.)
However Apple doesn't really need to compete, its got a following of...I'm not sure tbh, but its enough to make them the richest company in America.
I'm far from a fan of Apple, but I doubt they're too bothered when it comes to who releases the better handset; considering the fanboy following they have.
Well spec wise, i think the Iphone 5 will come out on top with it's sgx 543mp2 GPU. if it performs practically more than 100% better than the Mali on the sgs2 when running a 720p gaming benchmark test, well that's just a huge facepalm right there.
And as said if you want gaming, the iPhone 5 is your bet for now. The iOs platform holds the gaming spotlight right now and will prolly till say the next yr or 8 months till it will share the spotlight with android.
just to let everyone know up front I am not considering any apple tablets, so please do not suggest them
I've been looking at the HTC Flyer, the Samsung Galaxy tab, but am not sure if there are any other decent tablets out there between 7'' - 12''
budgets is about 200-400 quid
I'm just having a hard time making a decision, I'm not bothered about 1080p playback 720p is fine with me, must have a decent processor/gpu as I like to play alot of games as well, must be android only
at least 5mp camera, preferable with the option of being able to root and ICS
do i get a 3g sim or non 3g? what the heck do i do?
hdmi out is a selling point, dual core is a selling point
I won't be making calls on it but I might want to use 3g+ on it if im out and about
rooting and customisation very important
any one got any decent suggestions,
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GOT THE XOOM IN THE END, WHAT A TABLET!! its freaking amazing
I hear the Tab is quite good.
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mox123 said:
just to let everyone know up front I am not considering any apple tablets, so please do not suggest them
I've been looking at the HTC Flyer, the Samsung Galaxy tab, but am not sure if there are any other decent tablets out there between 7'' - 12''
budgets is about 200-400 quid
I'm just having a hard time making a decision, I'm not bothered about 1080p playback 720p is fine with me, must have a decent processor/gpu as I like to play alot of games as well, must be android only
at least 5mp camera, preferable with the option of being able to root and ICS
do i get a 3g sim or non 3g? what the heck do i do?
hdmi out is a selling point, dual core is a selling point
I won't be making calls on it but I might want to use 3g+ on it if im out and about
rooting and customisation very important
any one got any decent suggestions,
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This should help you choose lol
droidfather.com/VideoCategory/Android-Tablets
The Asus transformer series are really nice, I'm looking around to get a Samsung Galaxy Tab myself soon, it looks quiet promising.
I would recommend the Motorola Xoom. The development for the device has been stellar, the devs are awesome and has an unlockable bootloader. Cm9 and other wonderful custom roms like Team EOS nightly builds are solid, fast and will make others envious. The Xoom feels solid and is well built. The screen is not as nice as the ones found on the Asus transformer or Samsung Tab but it isn't bad either. Those other screens also have their cons due to the nature of their technology. There have also been a decent amount of complaints about Asus build quality and Samsung lack of timely updates. The Xoom was the first to get ICS, the first to get a cornerstone build, the first to be officially supported tab for Cm9 and continues to have the latest android enhancements via Team EOS roms. Also the proprietary charger charges the xoom pretty fast and the accessories are cheap now due to it being out for a while. Because it was the first to market, it doesn't mean the it is obsolete. I got a bit of a bad rep in the beginning due to screw ups on Motorola part but all is well now.
I have a 4g Xoom and use it every day. I run the Team EOS nightlys, with the device overlooked to 1.4 (i can get 1.6, but not needed) and undervolted to save juice. Feel free to check out the development thread to verify my claims. Cheers!
what about the xoom 2?
i actually like the look of the xoom 1 but the xoom 2 doesnt look great, whats your thoughts
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what about the xoom 2?
i actually like the look of the xoom 1 but the xoom 2 doesnt look great, whats your thoughts
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Don't get the xoom 2. The bootloader is locked, there isn't nearly as much dev support, no custom roms, no micro sd card slot (deal breaker), more expensive and not all the much of an improvement. It also isn't a Google experience device.
Yea, this I will admit the the screen is better and the writing tech is nice. But you will kick yourself for not going with a better supported device. Before I purchase anything, I checked to see how the community support of the device is and recommend that others do the same. I don't want to solely rely on manufacturers for support.
To be honest I would wait for the Windows 8 tablets if you truly cannot buy an Apple device, as all of the Android tablets still suck(to put it mildly). The iPad is just in a whole another league right now, and ICS didn't make the situation any better. They all lag like crazy, even the 7.7 inch Exynos-equipped Tablet from Samsung. The tablet experience just isn't there yet for android.
What ever you do never get an LG V900 or V909, cant be rooted, or just shortly until you reboot.
Unless you like stock and no root.
Have a look to the Acer Iconia 501.
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To be honest I would wait for the Windows 8 tablets if you truly cannot buy an Apple device, as all of the Android tablets still suck(to put it mildly). The iPad is just in a whole another league right now, and ICS didn't make the situation any better. They all lag like crazy, even the 7.7 inch Exynos-equipped Tablet from Samsung. The tablet experience just isn't there yet for android.
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Wow really? What tablets running ICS have you owned? My Xoom running Team EOS ICS 4.0.3 is smooth an rarely lags.
The ipad hardware is in another league but the software is still Crap. What good is having all of that power and design but only being able to do 1/4 of what an android tablet can do? Also you are limited to whatever apps Apple deems fit in their one appstore. The other other alternative is to jailbreak and uses cydia. Don't even get me started on having to rely on a pc or mac to back up apps and settings usin itunes. On android I just use titanium backup and clockwork recovery to make a full back up to my micro sd card. I have been through that Crap an will never go back. Have you?
I also like how people are assuming windows 8 is going to be the answer for everyone. It can't run your normal desktop apps, I will be more expensive, it will be locked down, possibly more vulnerable due to it being based of windows and missing so awesome features due to limited api access or something similar. Keep in mind the Android was never intended to take on desktop OSs and the ios doesn't come any closer to accomplishing that. ios is worst. I don't care if here are 200,000+ apps, how many fart emulators and angry birds clones do you need? I how many apps do people on average even bother downloading from the appstore? I can tell you it is not 200,000 or even 50.
I will admit that the stock rom may have its issues, the custom roms usually fixes and enhances the user experience. I have only used the Motorola Xoom and Asus Transformer. Both have Cm9 and Team EOS ICS 4.0.3 nightlys available for them that run like butter. I never use stock rom.
ICS is there in tablet experience and will be getting better with release of 4.0.5 and 4.0.4. I wish people wih limited hands on experience would stop making blanket general statements. Not having the opportunity to tinker wih various hardware and software is one thing, but being unsatisfied wih the out of he box experience is another. This is XDA, experiment, create and discover.
ASUS Transformer Series are good and popular
@runhopskipjump: Way to go turning this into an Apple vs Android thread. Read any reputable review site that actually have an objective viewpoint on the matter and you'll come to realize exactly what everyone else has(except for some die-hard android fans): the android experience does not translate well onto tablets yet.
I love android, and have been waiting on an android tablet that would match the iPad, like the SGS did with the iPhone, but alas no tablet has done so yet and with the new iPad, apple leapfrogged the android manufacturers by a year, again.
The only tablet I would even remotely consider is the updated Transformer Prime TF700, but that won't be out until June.
Windows 8 is going to bridge the gap between the PC and Tablet space, allowing tablets to run desktop apps and vice versa. I hate having to have two devices, when one should be enough. The battery life of the current crop of Windows 7 tablets just isn't quite there yet and is the only obstacle keeping me from buying one, and I am hoping that the arm version of Windows 8 is going to remedy that.
thats the problem alot of the hardware does suck, however with the tegra 3 having only 1 gpu core compared to a5x's 4 gpus,
i think apple did the right thing here but I can't support a company like apple
the transformer prime sucks and they have made a new model of the same prime tablet due to issues with the back aluminum and some slight enhancements,
so in a way there is a flaw with those tablets right there and to overcome those you need to purchase the even new model of the prime,
I don't want to be running around, I just want something that will work hardware wise, and the software I can work around with custom roms,
tab
i would chose the samsung galaxy tab
I really recommend you TAB from Samsung Galaxy family
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I'm very satisfied with my galaxy tab 10.1
Covers all my needs, has great ROMs - I've only tried overcome, but there are others - and is overclockable.
Now that I've found the switchme app - me, my wife and child all have our separate accounts on it.
Whatever you get, make sure you have enough internal space for such an app.
It's very convenient for more than one user to be able to have their own google account on a tablet, since they often are shared my more than one user.
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its such a hard choice as they are all good but only one is going to be bought,
I wish I could make up my damn mind
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its such a hard choice as they are all good but only one is going to be bought,
I wish I could make up my damn mind
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If money is no object, you have two choices. Either you want a tablet can double down as a netbook and you go for the upcoming ASUS Transformer tablet (skip the Prime, I've heard from several people that it has connectivity issues), or you're more into consuming media, in which case Samsung Galaxy Tab is really good.
At this point it slowly starts to become a matter of taste. The top competitors are pretty close to each other. I'm curious about the upcoming Google-branded tablet too - I kicked the HTC Sense to the curb after a mere 2 weeks and replaced it with AOSP, so I don't put great trust in third party shells.