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I really love my Samsung Captivate phone from ATT. It's one of the better phones i have had from ATT...mind you not the best but one of the better phones. Recently I have become extremly frustrated with the whole froyo update situation. First the official release was going to come out in September then pushed back to November and now from what im hearing not until December through a OTA update from ATT. When I got my phone I was told by the ATT rep that an update from 2.1 to froyo 2.2 would becoming soon. I went on ahead and got the Captivate against my better judgment. That was this past summer and i paid 199.99 to upgrade. Well now it's November and all we get are rumors about an update that may or may not happen. Now that same captivate is selling for 129.99 at Best Buy. Now I feel ripped off, not only from ATT but now from Samsung. For now on whenever I purchase a new phone I will buy the phone based on what it can do at that time not based on what it might be able to do later on down the line, that way i won't be so frustrated. My older brother has an iphone 4 and now im really starting to get upset because now he is streaming netflix movies and doing a host of other things with his phone that my phone may or may not be able to do. I know that developmentally the iphone is limited but...you get what you pay for out the box and your not waiting for the phone to be able to do something else later on down the line. Im seriously thinking of just caughing up the money and picking up an iphone 4 from the Apple store this weekend. If I do that then I will give away my Craptivate to anybody who wants it because i wouldn't feel right charging someone for it being as though it's already outdated with 2.1 firmware on it.
Ill buy it if you want to sell it
djfrost40 said:
I really love my Samsung Captivate phone from ATT. It's one of the better phones i have had from ATT...mind you not the best but one of the better phones. Recently I have become extremly frustrated with the whole froyo update situation. First the official release was going to come out in September then pushed back to November and now from what im hearing not until December through a OTA update from ATT. When I got my phone I was told by the ATT rep that an update from 2.1 to froyo 2.2 would becoming soon. I went on ahead and got the Captivate against my better judgment. That was this past summer and i paid 199.99 to upgrade. Well now it's November and all we get are rumors about an update that may or may not happen. Now that same captivate is selling for 129.99 at Best Buy. Now I feel ripped off, not only from ATT but now from Samsung. For now on whenever I purchase a new phone I will buy the phone based on what it can do at that time not based on what it might be able to do later on down the line, that way i won't be so frustrated. My older brother has an iphone 4 and now im really starting to get upset because now he is streaming netflix movies and doing a host of other things with his phone that my phone may or may not be able to do. I know that developmentally the iphone is limited but...you get what you pay for out the box and your not waiting for the phone to be able to do something else later on down the line. Im seriously thinking of just caughing up the money and picking up an iphone 4 from the Apple store this weekend. If I do that then I will give away my Craptivate to anybody who wants it because i wouldn't feel right charging someone for it being as though it's already outdated with 2.1 firmware on it.
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First, you shouldn't be upset about the price dropping. All electronics have a dramatic price drop after a release. You should expect that.
Second, there is a Froyo update coming out for the phone. No doubt about it. We have already seen it released for the international version. We have two leaked releases for the Captivate. If there wasn't an update coming out, Samsung wouldn't be spending the time in making these builds. Also, you bought a Captivate with 2.1. The box doesn't say, Android 2.1 with a 2.2 update coming soon.
I also wouldn't call Android 2.1 "outdated". Compared to Android 2.2, yes it is outdated. But compared to other mobile operating systems, it's advanced. I cannot think of anything iOS can do that Android 2.1 cannot.
Now, with regard to applications: this last year has been huge for Android. They now have the volume of users and where there's volume, the developers can make money. You speak of Netflix, they will be releasing an Android app in Q1 of next year.
It could be that this phone is too advanced for you. iPhones are great and easy to use. If you don't understand all of the enhancements that Android brings, then maybe an iPhone is best for you. If being able to stream Netflix NOW instead of 2 - 3 months from now is that important to you, then get an iPhone and trade off:
Open source goodness
Awesome community support
Phone customization
Flawless google integration
More hardware options (you're not stuck with just one style phone)
Mass storage capabilities
You're not dependent on iTunes
File structure access
Build your own apps (google app inventor)
Up to 48 GB of storage
Replaceable battery
$5 monthly insurance (at&t doesn't offer insurance for the iPhone)
REAL multitasking
Memory management (If you choose to manually do it. Android is great at managing memory itself.)
The awesome Widgets
Notification bar
Oh, and the list above doesn't even mention any of the infinite possibilities if you chose to root your phone.
My question is why do you need the "official release"? The leaked version is probably just as good (I saw probably since OTA isn't out). I love it and am not really looking forward to the official one. Also most android phones are not in 2.2 so you really shouldn't feel outdated. By the way Amazon gives this phone for free (well 1 cent to be exact).
Edit: Didn't see above post; says it all better than me.
Frustrating, ain't it? Also part of the fun of the gadget.
Heck, searching for news on when the update'll be released is how I get through the workday! (I've also spent too much time flashing different incarnations of Cognitian's ROMs - Which are great, by the way).
The update will come, then we'll all be clammoring for Gingerbread!
@skinien - Great reply!
Not being able to watch Netflix movie on your phone really has nothing to do with Samsung, AT&T or the Captivate. Netflix decided to release their Android version later than the other platforms so there is nothing anyone can do.
So the real question is why do you need 2.2 right now? What capability are you looking for that will only work in 2.2? Personally, the only thing I need 2.2 for is voice dial over bluetooth.
cool story bro
There will always be an OS, hardware, phone coming soon/out right now better than what you have. *****ing about what you have is certainly an option. Not a good one, IMO, but definitely an option.
I am still using stock 2.1, rooted, with sideloaded Wireless Tether and Flash 10.1, and launcherpro hides the bloat.
With the exception of being able to moves apps to the sd, what is missing?
Who needs FroYo, anyway?
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I really love my Samsung Captivate phone from ATT. It's one of the better phones i have had from ATT...mind you not the best but one of the better phones. Recently I have become extremly frustrated with the whole froyo update situation. First the official release was going to come out in September then pushed back to November and now from what im hearing not until December through a OTA update from ATT. When I got my phone I was told by the ATT rep that an update from 2.1 to froyo 2.2 would becoming soon. I went on ahead and got the Captivate against my better judgment. That was this past summer and i paid 199.99 to upgrade. Well now it's November and all we get are rumors about an update that may or may not happen. Now that same captivate is selling for 129.99 at Best Buy. Now I feel ripped off, not only from ATT but now from Samsung. For now on whenever I purchase a new phone I will buy the phone based on what it can do at that time not based on what it might be able to do later on down the line, that way i won't be so frustrated. My older brother has an iphone 4 and now im really starting to get upset because now he is streaming netflix movies and doing a host of other things with his phone that my phone may or may not be able to do. I know that developmentally the iphone is limited but...you get what you pay for out the box and your not waiting for the phone to be able to do something else later on down the line. Im seriously thinking of just caughing up the money and picking up an iphone 4 from the Apple store this weekend. If I do that then I will give away my Craptivate to anybody who wants it because i wouldn't feel right charging someone for it being as though it's already outdated with 2.1 firmware on it.
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Well..if you will feel bad selling it.I'll gladly pay you for the shipping of it to my home. Feel free to get the I-phone if this is what you are wanting to do. They work great for what they are.I bought both of my sons theirs last August when I got 2 Captivates for my wife and myself.So I can always use a spare one
Your not alone in your feelings of anger over not getting what was promised,I too am a bit pissed off about it as well. I do know that in time it will be available in a official capacity..but in the mean time I'll wait it out like everyone else is doing that wants it. Sooner or later there will be a completely stable custom rom for it that isn't a PIA to load and has everything working properly on it.This is what I am looking forward too,but again it is a waiting game for me and many others..
Feel free to PM me your mailing address for the shipping cost if you elect to give it away..
Thanks
Mac
Screw the official release, get froyo now!. nothing like free tethering. Im sorry but next flex streaming? who cares i got flash! i get hulu streaming lets see an iphone do that.. my droid takes a poopoo on the iphone.
There are plenty of awesome, free ROMs here. Try one on for size before you go spending hundreds of dollars to be told what you can or can't do with the phone you just bought.
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You have word reference on android, not even a close one on iphone. I dont really use my ipod touch to watch netflix. It gets stuck a lot and the screen is way to small. The only netflix app I used is netflix on windows media center. Why are you frustrated about netflix on a small screen now. And by the way, we have swype keyboard, it if not even on evo 4g. And my rooted phone has many paid apps and games on it, but I got them for free. You never need to jailbreak it to install some free games.
Iphone doesn't have the xda app, hahaha, just a joke.
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Others have said it but if your "smart" enough to make your way to the XDA developers forums you should have no problem flashing one of the 10+ 2.2 roms in the android dev subforum.
Who's going to really use the official att 2.2 with all its bloat ware anyway?
Iphone is for kids that want to show off their fart apps at school and for grandmas and grandmas who cant use a phone. On the other had captivate is for people who like to flash, unbrick their phones and explore the open world of android with will be the furture of mobile devices. Iphone has been the same for the past 3 years and people get horny when a new iphone comes out and it caj do copy paste wow!
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skinien said:
First, you shouldn't be upset about the price dropping. All electronics have a dramatic price drop after a release. You should expect that.
Second, there is a Froyo update coming out for the phone. No doubt about it. We have already seen it released for the international version. We have two leaked releases for the Captivate. If there wasn't an update coming out, Samsung wouldn't be spending the time in making these builds. Also, you bought a Captivate with 2.1. The box doesn't say, Android 2.1 with a 2.2 update coming soon.
I also wouldn't call Android 2.1 "outdated". Compared to Android 2.2, yes it is outdated. But compared to other mobile operating systems, it's advanced. I cannot think of anything iOS can do that Android 2.1 cannot.
Now, with regard to applications: this last year has been huge for Android. They now have the volume of users and where there's volume, the developers can make money. You speak of Netflix, they will be releasing an Android app in Q1 of next year.
It could be that this phone is too advanced for you. iPhones are great and easy to use. If you don't understand all of the enhancements that Android brings, then maybe an iPhone is best for you. If being able to stream Netflix NOW instead of 2 - 3 months from now is that important to you, then get an iPhone and trade off:
Open source goodness
Awesome community support
Phone customization
Flawless google integration
More hardware options (you're not stuck with just one style phone)
Mass storage capabilities
You're not dependent on iTunes
File structure access
Build your own apps (google app inventor)
Up to 48 GB of storage
Replaceable battery
$5 monthly insurance (at&t doesn't offer insurance for the iPhone)
REAL multitasking
Memory management (If you choose to manually do it. Android is great at managing memory itself.)
The awesome Widgets
Notification bar
Oh, and the list above doesn't even mention any of the infinite possibilities if you chose to root your phone.
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Oh okay! you see thats why i like this website for folks like you! so there is a sample of froyo available to download from this site? Thats nice!! i will look for it and give it a try. I think i can hold off on getting rid of it not too mention 400.00 for an iphone is pretty steap....lol!!! So i guess for now im still a android phone owner. I just need to be a little more patient i guess. But tonight when i get off work ill be trying to do the root thing on my phone so that i can tryout the preliminary froyo on my captivate. Thanks for the information I appreciate it.
pobinghun said:
You have word reference on android, not even a close one on iphone. I dont really use my ipod touch to watch netflix. It gets stuck a lot and the screen is way to small. The only netflix app I used is netflix on windows media center. Why are you frustrated about netflix on a small screen now. And by the way, we have swype keyboard, it if not even on evo 4g. And my rooted phone has many paid apps and games on it, but I got them for free. You never need to jailbreak it to install some free games.
Iphone doesn't have the xda app, hahaha, just a joke.
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Yeah your right, ive been reading a lot of responses to my post and from what i gather i have the better phone in the Captivate vs the iphone 4. I think i will keep it. Plus i just heard that you can root the phone and add a sample of froyo that should hold me over until the official froyo arrives. So Thanks a lot for your advise. I will be keeping my Captivate...not too mention 400.00 for an iphone is crazy.
mac208x said:
Iphone is for kids that want to show off their fart apps at school and for grandmas and grandmas who cant use a phone. On the other had captivate is for people who like to flash, unbrick their phones and explore the open world of android with will be the furture of mobile devices. Iphone has been the same for the past 3 years and people get horny when a new iphone comes out and it caj do copy paste wow!
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LOL!!!! okay okay guys I get it! I have the better phone vs the iphone 4, I will be keeping my Captivate, i just have to be a little more patient with it thats all. Im excited about trying out that froyo sample available from this site though. I'll be giving it a try tonight! thanks for all the information!
sportedwood said:
Others have said it but if your "smart" enough to make your way to the XDA developers forums you should have no problem flashing one of the 10+ 2.2 roms in the android dev subforum.
Who's going to really use the official att 2.2 with all its bloat ware anyway?
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Your right, i have the official 2.1 ATT rom now loaded with stuff i don't even use...lol!!! I think i will be keeping my Captivate and trying out a couple of those new roms on it. Thanks guys!!! thats why i love this site!!!
Im using 3GS right now and will either upgrade to a WP or IP4/5, I am sick of Android feeling like its still in a beta stage and freezing, closing apps, lagging no matter what phone. Anyway back when I used the focus the UI was amazing! But it was missing features...IOS is great! Time for some new features though imo, has WP7 been upgraded to more features? And how long will those updates last for the current WP's? What in your opinion is the best WP? And ultimatly what do you think is better? Hopefully Apple announces what IOS5 will be like. I really like WP7 but it felt like it needed time to get more features and some Apps were not optimized properly(ebay) but wow! That os is like butter! If it keeps getting features I may have to go WP! Especially if IOS5 is the same old, But for now I guess I gotta stay IOS.
maybe you should wait until fall or september,then both iphone 4s and major updates for WP7 are released,that time you can make a better comparison.which phone to buy...
The Fall Update to WP is a pretty big one, and new hardware will come out with it so I'd wait. The OS as it is, is to me the best designed out there, and the features people have been aching for are almost all coming with Mango (the fall OS update). Its going to be pretty nice, but ultimately up to you what you like most.
you've already pointed out that ios is complete and mature, try a friends phone around christmas and see if wp7 updates are all they're claimed to be...
the iPhone/iOS really is matured. You know where the saying comes from "There is an app for that".
I am still missing a lot of apps I was using on the iPhone, which are not (yet) available for WP7. But I really like the look of feel of WP7.
Wait for Mango if you like simplified device working more or less without any trouble
and you don't miss some basics. The UI is consistent and very easy.
For more sophisticated and better equipped device look somwhere else.
doministry said:
Wait for Mango if you like simplified device working more or less without any trouble
and you don't miss some basics. The UI is consistent and very easy.
For more sophisticated and better equipped device look somwhere else.
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IMO the UI on Wp7 blows iOS out of the water. It's simple yet still highly functional. I keep making my older and less technical users go to WP7 devices. They all seem to love it and I see them on their phones all the time - I'm sure their productivity is tanking lol.
Ignorance is Bliss, as they say.
But I'd wait until Mango and IP5 is our and make a more informed decision.
Right now WP7 can't hold a candle to iOS, but the update will be big. Unfortunately it's months off so you'll have to use a phone that has 30+% less functionality than your 3GS and many showstoppers (and lack of Apps) if you upgrade NOW.
I'd wait.
Wait for iPhone4S/5 and WP7 Mango update, and then decide. You might look into Samsung Galaxy SII as well, it's very fast. Maybe more device coming out with Dualcore/Quadcore that improves Android. WP7 is still in beta stage imho.
I've been using wp7 since October when I replaced my 3gs, and I've missed nothing so far.and that's been very honest, the thing is all I use to use on the iPhone was Facebook eBay satnav n a few more apps so the 300k appstore didn't matter to me. You've gotta think about the features and apps u need. Upgrading to wp7 guarantee u mango update regardless of the handset you choose.
Wp7 Focus
wp7 for sure, the metro UI is amazing.
I just bought a WP& phone, will post what i think of it, just hope the app market kicks off and MS add more functionality and that it becomes moddable
opti7 said:
I just bought a WP& phone, will post what i think of it, just hope the app market kicks off and MS add more functionality and that it becomes moddable
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Functionality is more than coming:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084161
Marketplace is already pretty good considering dev's cant create certain apps yet (Mango SDK will have all the 1500+ API's available, many of which will be used to create these lacking apps).
If you are looking for heavy modification, it may not be the platform for you, but people will definitely be modding it. Just not the extent WM & Android users are probably used to.
I went with the iPhone4, Im still gonna wait and see how WP7 goes and see what Apple does with IOS5, then I can make my Dec with what I want, but Ive heard from a lot of news sources that WP7 is doing pretty bad in sales and that its really not catching on at all, hopefully it dosnt go the way of the Kin phones...
As some have already said, I would probably wait for the Mango update and iPhone 5 before making the decision. I got a WP7 and I really enjoy it, but I think to make a fair choice, you should wait to pick between the two.
solidkevin said:
I went with the iPhone4, Im still gonna wait and see how WP7 goes and see what Apple does with IOS5, then I can make my Dec with what I want, but Ive heard from a lot of news sources that WP7 is doing pretty bad in sales and that its really not catching on at all, hopefully it dosnt go the way of the Kin phones...
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Actually sales of wp7 from start till now are better then sales of iphone when it came out for same amount of time + soon nokia will arrive with their wp7 phones and wp7 is gonna blow the market
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Actually sales of wp7 from start till now are better then sales of iphone when it came out for same amount of time + soon nokia will arrive with their wp7 phones and wp7 is gonna blow the market
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Nokia phones in 2012 which is dumb imo, why not get it rolling out as quickly as possible?
solidkevin said:
Nokia phones in 2012 which is dumb imo, why not get it rolling out as quickly as possible?
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They are doing it as quickly as possible. Its a major change at Nokia, it doesn't happen overnight. Nokia is planning for a late 2011 release of their first phone(s), and they are planning a whopping 12 devices (rumored so far) in 2012 running wp7 (including a dual core N8 version with a 12MP high optics camera). They will be using both qualcomm chips and SE dual core chips according to forbes.
http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwo...bes.com: Technology News)&utm_content=Twitter
There will also be some pretty nice second gen phones from Samsung, HTC, LG ect so people should have quite a few nice ones to choose from.
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They are doing it as quickly as possible. Its a major change at Nokia, it doesn't happen overnight. Nokia is planning for a late 2011 release of their first phone(s), and they are planning a whopping 12 devices (rumored so far) in 2012 running wp7 (including a dual core N8 version with a 12MP high optics camera). They will be using both qualcomm chips and SE dual core chips according to forbes.
http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwo...bes.com: Technology News)&utm_content=Twitter
There will also be some pretty nice second gen phones from Samsung, HTC, LG ect so people should have quite a few nice ones to choose from.
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If the OS is up to par with IOS in terms of features and Apps by the time Nokias phone comes, thats my next phone, Nokia=Fantastic hardware+Camera, Crap Symbian...
ok so i have been a faithful android fan since the first droid, then i got incredible on verizon, loved them both but hated battery life of inc, hated slow updates but i fixed that with cyanogen mod. so i hate the skins the manufacturers add to the phone cause it slows them down and makes them slower to get updates, i love android stock expierience, but verizon doesnt really offer a decent phone with that. the problems i have with android are the lack of polish and overall not the greatest user expierience and inconsistant behavior in the os lol. i changed to a iphone because a lack of good android phones and i like the consistant aproach apple took even tho i dont like apple or the iphone all that much. so ive been eyeing wp7 for a while. i like the ui, but verizon is just now getting its first wp7 phone the htc trophy, not the best phone, but is wp7 worth it? give me some advantages and stuff i would like, to help me decide if i should get it. also i just bought a dx2 and talk about a buggy and inconsistant phone, i cant handle the constant freezing and unsmoothness feeling of the overall os on the phone, so im gonna return it, just trying to decide to get a wp7 or a dif android phone. thanks fellas
Stick with android and get samsung galaxy s 2.
don't get a WP7 phone until the 2nd gen devices rolling out and mango update is available.
Well i would get the sgs2 but verizon doesnt have it lol. Verizon has no good android phones right now, i have the dx2 and it pretty much sucks haha
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ok so i have been a faithful android fan since the first droid, then i got incredible on verizon, loved them both but hated battery life of inc, hated slow updates but i fixed that with cyanogen mod. so i hate the skins the manufacturers add to the phone cause it slows them down and makes them slower to get updates, i love android stock expierience, but verizon doesnt really offer a decent phone with that. the problems i have with android are the lack of polish and overall not the greatest user expierience and inconsistant behavior in the os lol. i changed to a iphone because a lack of good android phones and i like the consistant aproach apple took even tho i dont like apple or the iphone all that much. so ive been eyeing wp7 for a while. i like the ui, but verizon is just now getting its first wp7 phone the htc trophy, not the best phone, but is wp7 worth it? give me some advantages and stuff i would like, to help me decide if i should get it. also i just bought a dx2 and talk about a buggy and inconsistant phone, i cant handle the constant freezing and unsmoothness feeling of the overall os on the phone, so im gonna return it, just trying to decide to get a wp7 or a dif android phone. thanks fellas
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WP7 is IMO way way under developed. If you get one, you will probably miss your Android a ton. I suggest stick with Android for another year or so, maybe then you can try WP7 when it's worth trying.
Bravo, do u have a wp7 device??
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Do they have a 30 day trial period like sprint? I had an android device and was going to get an EVO or Epic but decided to try the Arrive with WP7. I was thinking that I would probably give it back and stay with android, but I ended up keeping the Arrive and am very happy.
There are some features lacking with WP7 but its definitely a good system.
"the problems i have with android are the lack of polish and overall not the greatest user expierience and inconsistant behavior in the os lol"
Like you that is alot of what I felt about android.
I like tweaking and fooling around with just about every piece of electronics I get my hands on, but sometimes I just want things to work... like my phone...
Anyways, if you like using your phone like a computer then keep android if you want it to work like a phone with computing abilities then get WP7
Nrk112. Yea there is a 15 day trial period so i have over a week left, yea im to the point where i just want the phone to work and be smooth. That is the main thing i enjoyed about iphone but i just hate apple so i got rid of it haha. Is it fast and smooth always??
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wp7 is one of the smothest OSes I have ever used (as smooth and consistent as any iProduct you will get). And it is very fast! You will always get stock experience on windows phone 7 and updates are very fast if u don't get a samsung phone (or an AT&T) however, updates are pushed by microsoft rather than the carriers or the OEMs. If u get a windows phone 7, u will not regret it!
The lack of multitasking isnt a big problem? It looks crazy smooth in videos ive seen, wish mango was out already and verizon would get a little better choice than the trophy hahah
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ok so i have been a faithful android fan since the first droid, then i got incredible on verizon, loved them both but hated battery life of inc, hated slow updates but i fixed that with cyanogen mod. so i hate the skins the manufacturers add to the phone cause it slows them down and makes them slower to get updates, i love android stock expierience, but verizon doesnt really offer a decent phone with that. the problems i have with android are the lack of polish and overall not the greatest user expierience and inconsistant behavior in the os lol. i changed to a iphone because a lack of good android phones and i like the consistant aproach apple took even tho i dont like apple or the iphone all that much. so ive been eyeing wp7 for a while. i like the ui, but verizon is just now getting its first wp7 phone the htc trophy, not the best phone, but is wp7 worth it? give me some advantages and stuff i would like, to help me decide if i should get it. also i just bought a dx2 and talk about a buggy and inconsistant phone, i cant handle the constant freezing and unsmoothness feeling of the overall os on the phone, so im gonna return it, just trying to decide to get a wp7 or a dif android phone. thanks fellas
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With the Mango update, WP7 will be incredibly more attractive. It's already the smoothest, cleanest system available. It has excellent games, and Zune is superior. Android is a very nice system...depending on the brand you buy, of course...but is pales in comparison the heavy-hitting media capabilities of WP7. Android has great media capabilities but it can't compare to Zune and XBOX. WP7 is also much more reliable than Android, now that NoDo has arrived.
With all of the outstanding features to arrive with Mango, there just won't be any choice any longer. WP7 will be the only real player. I was always more fond of Bing voice nav, which I used in WinMo 6.5, than Google nav, and when Mango brings Bing voice nav to WP7, there will no longer be anything the other systems have over WP7. It will also have the world's best multitasking....or app switching for some people. Android has multitasking and app switching, but there really is no way to single out the apps to kill them easily. You can install auto killers and Android has a quick app switcher built in, but the best you can make Android won't compare to WP7's set up.
Hang on till Mango gets here and then do some testing.
I doubt that Verizon will be getting any new WP7 devices soon seeing that lack of attention that Verizon gives to WP. So if you need a phone now, get the Trophy and you'll get the Mango update.
If you are not in a rush though, you may hold out to see if Verizon is releasing any new Windows Phone. Perhaps hell will freeze over!
Instead of taking someone's else word or opinion about WP7, why don't you hit a store or a friend and go try one out for a few minutes... it will make a ton of a difference.
Oh no.... here we go again.
Closing this now before the inevitable happens.
Apologies to the op for what may seem to be an unfair closure of your thread but these ones never end well.
There are a good number of threads on this subject you can search for and you'll see what I mean.
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I am really starting to like WebOS a lot and since we know it is the tablets and not the OS that were scrapped, I have to wonder about a possible groundswell of new development for the native operating system.
I am not quite as excited as most about getting FroYo on this thing, I actually think it may be a downgrade, performance-wise. GingerBread struck me as slightly different than FroYo, but Honeycomb is sweet. I also have a Viewsonic Gtablet running the FlashBack Honeycomb ROM and it is pretty damn nice, but I find WebOS to be a little more elegant and refined feeling. Especially after installing PreWare and adding the performance patches and stuff.
I am not a developer, but there are a lot of them around here and quite a few of them either already got or will get a touchpad to play with. I am hoping that some of them will be impressed enough (or intrigued enough) to look at the WebOS SDK and PDK.
Since there are already drivers for full functionality within WebOS, I would think it would not be too arduous for some of these intrepid devs to port a few of the popular apps over for those sticking with it. There is also a web-based widget builder called Project Ares that looks interesting.
Anybody else? Bueller?
I would continue using WebOS if there's a way to use Android apps on it
Webos is probably my favorite tablet os now. The problem is there's no Apps for it. I bought the touchpad for my girlfriend yesterday and she said she loved it but after 10 minutes of just checking facebook and some websites she was like, ok what now?
They need more games optimized for it and better prices
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With no apps just think how youll never exhaust its resources
Just read a site claiming to have an andriod dump from HP's tablet. There will be decent android roms in no time.
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i'm kind of torn about using android on my TP.
i quite like the way webOS works.
i honestly can't understand why HP gave up on this thing. it's brilliant.
sure it's a little slow out of the box, but so was my HTC magic. a new rom fixed that.
it has fantastic support from the preware community.
i'm loving gestures and cards.
a 3G modem would've been nice (or a usb port to allow a dongle), but again not a big deal given that most phones these days can do wireless hotspot and 99.9% of the time if i have my tablet, i also have my phone. therefore it's always able to connect.
i'll admit the build quality leaves a bit to be desired, but for a first up effort it's pretty good.
the touchstone dock is brilliant.
i'm tempted to buy a second one so i'll have one at home and one at work.
i love android. (i'm somewhat of a fanboy)
i recommend it to friends all of the time. but after experiencing webOS i'm starting to wonder why.
EDIT: maybe HP will sell or licence webOS off to google and we can get the best of both worlds?
Since WebOS was released on the Pre few years ago I always wanted to try this OS as I mostly heard good comments about it and it looked good.
I must say that WebOS on a tablet is WOW! I love it.
I really hope new apps will be developed and that I will be able to continue to use WebOS.
I like my Android phone, but I would be happy continuing having a WebOS tablet.
I have heard that the HP Touchpad has a 3G and 4G wan aready on the chip and just waiting for software to activate. Just like the Nook color bluetooth that it never came with but was activated within Gingerbread.
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I really hope we will get the dual boot option. I would love to use that UbuntuChroot on it while enjoying Froyo or GB
I've always been interested in webOS ever playing witha mates palm pre. The cheap touchpads seemed like a great way of getting a webOS device.
I don't understand why people want to remove webOS, however I can understand trying to port android apps to it.
I'm still waiting delivery of my touchpad, cant wait to get playing around with it.
Does anyone know if I can mess with the browser so I can access chrome webapps?
I bought for two reasons, price and Android. For $149 you cant go wrong, I thought of buying more to try and sell for a small profit but decided against it. My local Arrons had one in their store, but had access to 6 more WebOS looks cool, but I am not familiar with it at all. I really dont care to learn it being WebOS is done. If worse comes to worse and only the Android market/APPS will work on it then I will be happy Heck, who am I kidding, at such a low price I am happy no matter what!
cordell12 said:
I bought for two reasons, price and Android. For $149 you cant go wrong, I thought of buying more to try and sell for a small profit but decided against it. My local Arrons had one in their store, but had access to 6 more WebOS looks cool, but I am not familiar with it at all. I really dont care to learn it being WebOS is done. If worse comes to worse and only the Android market/APPS will work on it then I will be happy Heck, who am I kidding, at such a low price I am happy no matter what!
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The point is, WebOS is not "done." In fact, it sounds like HP is planning to put a lot more into it.
Here is what the VP of Developer Relations said: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-next-chapter-for-webos/
Hopefully the Palmdroid project produces results. Because I prefer the webOS experience.
nunjabusiness said:
The point is, WebOS is not "done." In fact, it sounds like HP is planning to put a lot more into it.
Here is what the VP of Developer Relations said: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-next-chapter-for-webos/
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Yep, WebOS development will continue.
I really don't understand the cry for Android either. Froyo is not that amazing, Gingerbread isn't that great either. Heck, I have owned quite a few Honeycomb tablets (Xoom, rooted Nook Color, Dell Streak 7) and none of them impressed me.
I get that people here overwhelmingly like Android. But the only merit I can see for putting Android on this guy is for the apps. And, lets be honest, anything besides Android 3.X isn't even optimized for a large display like the touchpad. The Gmail application for example is just a giant list of emails. The WebOS email interface is leagues ahead because it actually takes advantage of the screen size by layering slide-panels instead of just being a giant list of messages!
WebOS is an awesome operating system. The only things holding it back to this point have been total garbage hardware (the Pre was trash) and a lack of developer interest. With HP pushing out hundreds and hundreds of thousands of these tablets in days, its safe to say that development will speed up on the WebOS front. Applications will start to trickle in faster, and things will improve.
The desire to have Android, yet alone a non 3.0 Android, on this thing just seems silly. But whatever, each to his or her own. I for one can appreciate the qualities of WebOS and will keep using it since it is a polished, tablet friendly operating system. After the "oh wow look what I did" factor of having Android 2.X on a tablet wore off, I realized non-Honeycomb Android on a tablet really sucks.
I already have an Android Tablet...it's cool.
I bought this for a cheap price, to have as a "coffee table" device for cruising the net and checking email. Maybe a youtube video once in a while.
AND...when you register the device you still get 50GB of cloud storage through box.net. I'm looking forward to using mine and have no intentions of putting any other OS on it...
I am a huge android fan, but Ill admit that after using the TP for a few days, WebOS is hands down a better tablet OS. Its just so much more structured. Thats why Im looking forward to see what comes out of the Palmdroid project. From my understanding, theyre trying to port the Dalvik VM over to WebOS which will allow android apps to run in "cards".
Been checking this every day for the past week now
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230723
aim1126 said:
Webos is probably my favorite tablet os now. The problem is there's no Apps for it. I bought the touchpad for my girlfriend yesterday and she said she loved it but after 10 minutes of just checking facebook and some websites she was like, ok what now?
They need more games optimized for it and better prices
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WebOS is dead Install Android 3.2 Honeycomb
Haha no, not at all. This is the worst OS I've ever touched. The OS is overall sluggish and not made for a fluid experience what so ever.
I just had mine fail to download a 30MB System update about 10 or so times.
Browsing the poor apps in the market takes a minute to load each individual apps page.
The pre-installed "apps" are a link to go download it on the market which takes the aforementioned minute load of the page.
The best app would have to be the youtube app that opens up the browser to Youtube.com, absolutely ingenious!
It has. . nothing. On it. I can't even find apps if there were good apps, you can't go to the top of free apps.. there is either top, paid, or free search tabs but not a top free.
Even the browser leaves me yearning for more as I sit there and watch the checkered white boarder all over.
Is anyone else thinking about actually USING WebOS?
Yes, me!
Im running psycho-f15c-kernel-touchpad_3.0.2-41 on my ToychPad at 1.9GHz 100% stable! This thing is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaast!
Best and fastest Tab ever and WebOS is simply extraordinary... what a loss that that the best Tab EVER is discontinued and the most elegant and accomplished OS for a tablet has been sentenced to death. I have an ipad2 that I really like and a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7" that I use as my phone running Android 2.3.
Nothing touches WebOS, nothing! And nothing touches the speed of the Touchpad at 1.9Ghz! Ill use and love the Touchpad for as long as I can can, even iwht limited apps and an OS that is frozen in time. What a great loss, this is just so amazingly great! If HP had launched this a year ago and seriousely wanting to make it a success, this would be for sure the ipad killer... my a million miles.. really sad, but happy I have one and that works so well.
Thank guys for making this thing work so well and fast. XDA is the best community on the internet, period!
I just got my touchpad in the mail and have been playing with it for the last couple of hours. Here is my first impression:
wow, webos is pretty impressive. I owned and used iphones, ipads, android phones and tablets extensively and I can say that webos has the simplicity and user friendliness of ios and the multitasking and openness of android. Kind of best of both worlds. If it had the dev support of ios and android, it would certainly be better than ios and a huge competitor to android.
it is such a shame that it is almost dead. HP should have sold these tabs at $250 at launch ($50 below manufacturing cost) just like they do with the consoles and build dev support. Once established, they would make a ton of money off of their app market by selling media and apps just like apple.
introducing this tab at the same price point as the already established and ridiculously popular ipad with no apps and dev support was a quick and sure way to failure.
Such a shame. I really would have liked to see a mature webos platform as a strong competitor.
ps. I am writing this comment on my touchpad 32gb while listening to grooveshark on another browser window. The speakers are pretty loud and have great audio quality. Too bad Hulu just blocked access.
ps2. I really like the usa today app a lot. Nice job with the design and the use of gestures. That is exactly what touchcreen apps should be like
Defiantly liking WebOS alot but until more development takes place atm I will move to android when it surfaces.
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Guess we all (webOS users) are sort of scattered under the current situation... And this forum is kind of small and generic
Let's get a picture of who is looking here for help.
Which webOS device do you have? (Note you can "vote" multiple times if you own more than one.)
How is it working?
webOS version?
Favorite tweaks?
How long have you been using webOS?
Do you do any development?
I've had my webOS phone about a month. I bought a used GSM Unlocked Pre 2 off eBay. It's running webOS 2.2.4.
I LOVE this device, am using it heavily and plan to continue to do so.
Preware is a must
UberKernel overclocking with the OnDemandTcl1200 profile + Govnah
Freetether
Lots of Top Bar patches and the Advanced Reset Options patch all make life easier
App Tuckerbox
Save/Restore
Netstat
Dr. Battery
I'm getting ready to install the SDK and will try my hand at some small things to see how far I can get.
webOS just works so nice. We all need to evangelize about it.
Just bought a palm pre 2 unlocked gsm from ebay us and shipped to Italy
played half a day with 2.1 and is very pretty, now is updating to 2.2.4, hope to see something cool!
I'm an android user and fan, but webos is beautiful!
Beware of the 2.2.4 update for the unlocked Pre2. I've had a total of 4 of these devices between myself and my wife and they've all suffered the same idiosyncrasy. For some unknown reason, after about a week of normal usage the sound for alerts vanishes requiring a soft reset. It doesn't matter if they have preware or any overclocking, a stock 2.2.4 has done this. It may be a minor irritation for some but not hearing an alert for an important email is a big thing to me.
Unless you're using your Pre2 for message sharing with a Touchpad, I strongly recommend keeping it at 2.1 until the guys at webosinternals figure out if there's a patch for this. I've jumped ship to Windows Phone 7.5 but I still keep an eye on the happenings at webOS because I love the UI. I still find myself swiping at my phone and feeling like an idiot.
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Beware of the 2.2.4 update for the unlocked Pre2. I've had a total of 4 of these devices between myself and my wife and they've all suffered the same idiosyncrasy. For some unknown reason, after about a week of normal usage the sound for alerts vanishes requiring a soft reset. It doesn't matter if they have preware or any overclocking, a stock 2.2.4 has done this. It may be a minor irritation for some but not hearing an alert for an important email is a big thing to me.
Unless you're using your Pre2 for message sharing with a Touchpad, I strongly recommend keeping it at 2.1 until the guys at webosinternals figure out if there's a patch for this. I've jumped ship to Windows Phone 7.5 but I still keep an eye on the happenings at webOS because I love the UI. I still find myself swiping at my phone and feeling like an idiot.
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Thanks, unfortunately finished updating before reading this...
The bad thing is that in 2.1 the google account sync wasnt working well, in 2.2.4 is flawless (as can i see by now).
The pre2 is my secondary phone, so i do not need it 365days a year but only when i go out for work.
Thank you anyway
Treo 300 - Treo 650 - Treo 755 - Pre, Pre, Pre, ( ) Touchpad
RumoredNow said:
I've had my webOS phone about a month. I bought a used GSM Unlocked Pre 2 off eBay. It's running webOS 2.2.4.
I LOVE this device, am using it heavily and plan to continue to do so.
Preware is a must
UberKernel overclocking with the OnDemandTcl1200 profile + Govnah
Freetether
Lots of Top Bar patches and the Advanced Reset Options patch all make life easier
App Tuckerbox
Save/Restore
Netstat
Dr. Battery
I'm getting ready to install the SDK and will try my hand at some small things to see how far I can get.
webOS just works so nice. We all need to evangelize about it.
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I was one of the lucky firesale TP buyers and love the thing. I have installed CM9 on it so I could get some apps like Netflix but webOS is a beautiful thing.
I just received my Touchpad and rooted it to dual boot. I'm typing this from the Android side now, but I'm impressed with WebOS. I've worked on several Android tablets, but this is my first WebOS toy. Wish there were more apps, but what a nice screen!
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I've noticed that even the hard-core Android fans love webOS once they get to know it. The sad fact is that even with HP's mishandling (I'm really trying to be civil), i don't see how webOS could have survived. The lack of apps was a mortal wound that couldn't be closed. Just look at all the comments and they sound like a scratched record, "loved the UI but needed this app or that so I loaded CM9. But use webOS most of the time". UGHHH! End of rant.
I really hope that the opensourcing can give webos a second chance.
As an android fan i must admit, android can learn very much from webos... in te days of the selling of palm, i really hoped google would buy it...
US GSM Unlocked Pre 2
Works great - secondhand too
2.2.4
Quite a bit
9-ish months, iOS for a year before that, and PalmOS for several years before iOS.
Not a dev, idk why i'm here
xandros9 said:
Not a dev, idk why i'm here
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To try and help breathe some life into the webOS forum here?
RumoredNow said:
To try and help breathe some life into the webOS forum here?
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As much as I hate to admit it, I think webOS's fate as a stand-alone OS has been sealed. My honest opinion is that what we know as webOS today will live on as a major redux of Android. It's already showing up in the form of modified Enyo apps on ICS and a modified version of touch-to-share. Being Linux-based will make it easier to incorporate the best features into Android now that the source code is being released. I still follow the threads here and on WebOS Nation because I really miss webOS but the lack of development and sub-par hardware makes it impossible for me continue with it. My work requires certain apps that webOS simply doesn't have and that's such a shame. Us old dinosaurs (yeah, I've been through a mid-life crisis and a heart attack so I qualify) are very resistant to change but there's nothing wrong with keeping up with new technologies.
The first is palm pre plus, second palm pre2, now htc hd2
Pre- & TouchPad
My pre is retired and used as a media player on webOS 2.1 30% of the time, it works every time lol. It's really showing it's age but I keep it going because I just can't seem to find a capable media player on Android that will pass media metadata to my receiver as well as webOS 2.1
TouchPad is stock and fantastic the way it is, no problems.
I own a HP Pre3 running 2.2.4, bought it on ebay.
I'm using Advanced Device Menu tweaks and some browser tweaks.
Didn't get into developing now, may I try to get into it when I get more time.
What I still miss is a onscreen keyboard. Having that and maybe a few more apps, webOS would be THE KILLER OS.
I just have the touchpad
I can't add votes to the poll
I just picked up a pair of Veers (one black, one white). Can't wait. They should be here early next week. I get to practice Dogbert's Unlock method and then figure out how to use Impostah to put a profile on them without wiping my Pre 2 so I can test drive them.
Another dinosaur here
I never got into the smart phone thing so I missed out on the pre and pre plus rush. I'm still looking for a pre plus or pre2 but have 2 touchpads. While there are advantages to android with the many apps out there, I continue to operate with webOS on the touchpad. I am a purchasing officer for an export corporation and use my touchpad daily for the business. The thing I don't understand is the common rant from folks who say that their webOS device is useless without android. What apps do you (really) need that are not available within the webOS or preware market? I find that everything I need to operate my business is available within the webOS community. My touchpad allows me to be productive in the field. I do not have android installed on my touchpad. My wife had classicnerd android on hers but that's for the games.
I have had to use a few work arounds for issues like a lack of camera but otherwise, the touchpad performs very well for my business needs. Yes, I could do more with an iPad or another (pure) android tablet but would be required to spend a great deal of cash for a minimal return.
Those of you who really want to be productive, tell me what app you find in android that you can't find a webOS equivalent for. Chances are that you could be surprised.
just sayin........
ngocxuyen said:
The first is palm pre plus, second palm pre2, now htc hd2
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How did you get webos running on the HD2? Would you share a link please?
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