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Pure vanilla Android.
There's a bunch of stuff preinstalled on it, but it's all Google stuff; I don't think there's any third-party apps.
It's not plain android, there's a bunch of Google bloatware.
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It's not plain android, there's a bunch of Google bloatware.
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I'm curious as to what you consider Google bloatware, because the Nexus S is about as plain as you can get. Most of the time bloatware is stuff added by OEMs, such as the preinstalled demo games on the MT4G. Mind elaborating?
I can't speak for JC, but in my mind, anything that comes preinstalled on a device which I neither want nor need is bloatware. This, of course, makes the entire concept subjective, but in general with things like Android, I think less is more, since you can download nearly all of these things from the Market anyway. The consumer-side justification of "bloatware" (revenue for the provider, of course, being the primary, producer-side justification) is to present the user with access to a service they might otherwise not know to look for. ("Oh, hey, my phone can play TV/can display YouTube/has internet radio/whatever!"). For most of us though, particularly anyone savvy enough to be on XDA in the first place, most of it ends up falling into one of three categories:
-Don't care about
-Use a different app for
-Would have downloaded if it wasn't included.
In any case, I've observed that what most people have the biggest issue with isn't that stuff may come preinstalled on their phone, it's that you can't get rid of it, and if you do, you may well open yourself to a world of trouble should you ever wish to install an OTA update.
I would consider it plain android, as the "bloatware" on it is really only google apps, which come with all android phones. It doesn't have bloatware from a third party though like some of the other android phones. Either way, bloatware can be removed off any rooted phone with titanium backup
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I can't speak for JC, but in my mind, anything that comes preinstalled on a device which I neither want nor need is bloatware. This, of course, makes the entire concept subjective, but in general with things like Android, I think less is more, since you can download nearly all of these things from the Market anyway. The consumer-side justification of "bloatware" (revenue for the provider, of course, being the primary, producer-side justification) is to present the user with access to a service they might otherwise not know to look for. ("Oh, hey, my phone can play TV/can display YouTube/has internet radio/whatever!"). For most of us though, particularly anyone savvy enough to be on XDA in the first place, most of it ends up falling into one of three categories:
-Don't care about
-Use a different app for
-Would have downloaded if it wasn't included.
In any case, I've observed that what most people have the biggest issue with isn't that stuff may come preinstalled on their phone, it's that you can't get rid of it, and if you do, you may well open yourself to a world of trouble should you ever wish to install an OTA update.
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Fair enough points.
Unfortunately, we still run into that last issue even on the Nexus S. Folks were unable to update via the stock 2.3.1 OTA if they had modified system files, such replacing the stock Mms.apk or Gmail.apk with the black/custom ones from the Themes & Apps section or deleting any of their relevant .odexs. Even placing the missing files back on the system partition didn't seem to work, at least for me. It was a very curious update.
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Fair enough points.
Unfortunately, we still run into that last issue even on the Nexus S. Folks were unable to update via the stock 2.3.1 OTA if they had modified system files, such replacing the stock Mms.apk or Gmail.apk with the black/custom ones from the Themes & Apps section or deleting any of their relevant .odexs. Even placing the missing files back on the system partition didn't seem to work, at least for me. It was a very curious update.
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Yeah, I soft-bricked my Vibrant trying to grab T-Mobile's OTA after I took it upon myself to delete all the extraneous crapware that came with it. They can be very touchy indeed. It's a steep learning curve for newbies. x_x
Next question,how is t mobiles 4G .I live in knox tn. Anyone know?
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So it doesn't have the useless Amazon mp3 app anymore like the nexus one?
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Next question,how is t mobiles 4G .I live in knox tn. Anyone know?
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No HSPA+ (it's not 4G!) on the Nexus S. Don't ask me why, it boggles my mind too.
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So it doesn't have the useless Amazon mp3 app anymore like the nexus one?
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No Amazon MP3 app installed. Just made me look at my app drawer to confirm, lol.
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So it doesn't have the useless Amazon mp3 app anymore like the nexus one?
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Nope, they put google earth in its place.
There is also that office app that is NOT a google product...so yea, there is a bit of bloat, but pretty much it is vanilla.
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No HSPA+ (it's not 4G!) on the Nexus S. Don't ask me why, it boggles my mind too.
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True, but it does still support up to 7.2Mbps down which you'll only get in a t-mobile 4g area.
I was just in Orlando and i was getting around 5-6Mbps on my N1 and in a Nexus S i was testing at best buy and it was pretty damn fast. puts my DSL connection at home to shame.
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There is also that office app that is NOT a google product...so yea, there is a bit of bloat, but pretty much it is vanilla.
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I don't think Google has an office app for Android. Every device has launched with some kind of partnered 3rd party, either ThinkFree, or Quickoffice. At least, I think those are the two they've used.
If they didn't, you wouldn't be able to read any kind of text document on your phone and that's just kind of a silly thing to not be able to do, imo.
EDIT: And on that note, Google should probably make a office app! lol
Who really cares whats installed or not, EVERYTHING can be uninstalled.
after using ThinkFREE for a while on the Galaxy S, i can say it's really good
way better than the Docs To Go and/or QuickOffice which i'm using on the XT720
but truth is... you don't need any of those with Google Office online, it's so much easier to keep things and work with documents using Google Office Online
Will the phone get updates from Google or T-mobile?
I'm guessing neither. LG has a desktop app that they push updates through. Unless something's different with the G2X I'd assume they'll come through the LG app.
You could also get them from www.cyanogenmod.com!
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You could also get them from www.cyanogenmod.com!
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Quoted for truth.
Hmm. So we could possibly be waiting for LG to do this? That is a potential deal-breaker for me. With pure Google experience and updates we are much more future proof.
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Hmm. So we could possibly be waiting for LG to do this? That is a potential deal-breaker for me. With pure Google experience and updates we are much more future proof.
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You're looking at getting a Nexus S or Nexus One then. For those of us not willing to pay full price, and wanting better hardware, we have to deal with manufacturers instead.
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You're looking at getting a Nexus S or Nexus One then. For those of us not willing to pay full price, and wanting better hardware, we have to deal with manufacturers instead.
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I know, but this has more appealing hardware. I just don't get it if it really is LG pushing updates... Why not just let Google handle everything?
Yeah but the update has to go through tmo first before the release it, the have to make sure their crapware is in there.
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I know, but this has more appealing hardware. I just don't get it if it really is LG pushing updates... Why not just let Google handle everything?
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What I'm saying is no phone out there but the Nexus S or Nexus One has AOSP Android. Every other phone has a version modified by the manufacturer. Google has nothing to do with these changes. The only one who can release updates is the manufacturer (or service provider if the manufacturer chooses to send the update to them first).
That's just the way it is.
Are you opposed to rooting your phone and installing custom ROMs? If you are interested in that, CM will be your best bet by far as you get the best of both worlds (CM had Gingerbread on even the Nexus One before Google did!).
If you don't want to use unofficial software, you should stick with the Nexus line. Even pure vanilla Android devices get updates through the carriers, that is how it is and how it always will be. Nexus phones are different as they are not sold through the carriers, just designed to work on them. They are managed entirely through Google which means updates come from Google.
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What I'm saying is no phone out there but the Nexus S or Nexus One has AOSP Android. Every other phone has a version modified by the manufacturer. Google has nothing to do with these changes. The only one who can release updates is the manufacturer (or service provider if the manufacturer chooses to send the update to them first).
That's just the way it is.
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I was under the impression that the vanilla devices (like the G2x obviously) was AOSP. Do you know what is modified on this version by LG? I know there is preinstalled software, but that is different than changes to AOSP.
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Hmm. So we could possibly be waiting for LG to do this? That is a potential deal-breaker for me. With pure Google experience and updates we are much more future proof.
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LG's committed to before Summer. The O2X forum has them giving June as a time frame.
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LG's committed to before Summer. The O2X forum has them giving June as a time frame.
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Just because they have the update for the O2x by June, doesn't mean the G2x will be ready. The two use different software, plus there are different expectations I think between the US market and European. I hope they come together, but I wouldn't be surprised if LG does the O2x first and then gets working on the G2x.
Bob from Wirefly.com said that he talked to someone from T-Mobile when he got the G2X for review and they said the 2.3 update was coming in one month. I'm not holding my breath, though.
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Bob from Wirefly.com said that he talked to someone from T-Mobile when he got the G2X for review and they said the 2.3 update was coming in one month. I'm not holding my breath, though.
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LOL. "Bob from Wirefly" has the inside scoop, huh.
Don't ever believe anything somebody tells you when they're trying to sell you something. That's all I'm saying.
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I was under the impression that the vanilla devices (like the G2x obviously) was AOSP. Do you know what is modified on this version by LG? I know there is preinstalled software, but that is different than changes to AOSP.
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It's not AOSP vanilla, but it's the closest you will get to it without buying a Nexus phone. There's lots of little tinkering to the OS on the LG2x. For example there's a "DTS" button in the music player to enable dts sound. Also, there's the T-Mobile motto when you drag down the status bar. There's a "tethering may incur charges" warning when you turn on wifi hotspot. There are different notification and ringtones put in. Etc etc. If you put this phone next to a Nexus phone, you will see lots of little differences beyond just the T-Mobile bloatware installed.
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It's not AOSP vanilla, but it's the closest you will get to it without buying a Nexus phone. There's lots of little tinkering to the OS on the LG2x. For example there's a "DTS" button in the music player to enable dts sound. Also, there's the T-Mobile motto when you drag down the status bar. There's a "tethering may incur charges" warning when you turn on wifi hotspot. There are different notification and ringtones put in. Etc etc. If you put this phone next to a Nexus phone, you will see lots of little differences beyond just the T-Mobile bloatware installed.
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Interesting. Mine will be delivered tomorrow so I guess I'll see soon. I've had a Nexus One since release, so I'm sure whatever is different, I will notice. Thanks for the clarification.
Not sure where, but I read from one of the CM guys (I think, don't kill me) that it's not AOSP at all! It's actually that same O2X ROM themed to look like AOSP Froyo
The latest Skype update for Android is available to everyone, but it only enables video chat on four specific handsets. Fortunately, impatient modders have gone some way to correcting this profound injustice, by creating APKs that activate video calling on other handsets too. So far we've heard of successful ports on the Samsung Galaxy S II and the HTC Sensation, Thunderbolt and EVO 4G. If you've got some other handset with Android 2.3, a little experimentation with the APK might also be worth your while. However, we just tried it on an Xperia Arc and didn't get very far: the app ran, but efforts to communicate with an Xperia Neo resulted in one-way video, a locked landscape mode and plenty of awkwardness. Let us know if you fare better -- you'll find a Thunderbolt-specific download at the DroidLife source link, and a more general APK at TechPetals.
http://blogs.skype.com/en/2011/06/smile_skype_for_android_with_v.html
Figured I would drop this in here if anyone has some know how and wants to look into it to see if there is anyway for us to have this on our phone. Doubt it though considering it requires 2.3 which seems to be the standard for google video chat and stuff, but hey, its worth a shot!!!
Found some more info. Tested and still didn't work but apparently on our device but confirmed on the SGS2. Here is the link for the guy who got it working.
http://www.villainrom.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/4849-Skype-with-Video-Support-for-Various-Devices...?p=42265#post42265
Im not familiar with knowing the ins and outs of editing an apk but this might be a start for someone who does
Probably requires GB.... I would think
yep. the official requires gb and in the list of device check. with device check removed, almost all with gingerbread can use it.
man, so much we can't do without gb. This phone should have launched with it.
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man, so much we can't do without gb. This phone should have launched with it.
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I know. WTF on that?
the only true gripe I have with android is its similarity with linux, fragmented operating system. I mean we buy these $500+ phones and a week later I find some inferior phone doing more than we are, it blows my mind sometimes!!!
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the only true gripe I have with android is its similarity with linux, fragmented operating system. I mean we buy these $500+ phones and a week later I find some inferior phone doing more than we are, it blows my mind sometimes!!!
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Yeah, one of Google's big thing at IO was that they wanted to eliminate the fragmentation, yet I haven't seen anything to indicate they're taking steps to achieve this.
Unfortunately it's one big advantage Apple has... they take a hard line position that the carrier doesn't touch the OS software, nor prevent the deployment of the updates. Not sure why Google is such a wuss when it comes to holding the carriers accountable for the timely delivery of their updates. AT&T says it's because they have to ensure a quality user experience, but comon, what AT&T customer actually believes that crap? LOL
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Yeah, one of Google's big thing at IO was that they wanted to eliminate the fragmentation, yet I haven't seen anything to indicate they're taking steps to achieve this.
Unfortunately it's one big advantage Apple has... they take a hard line position that the carrier doesn't touch the OS software, nor prevent the deployment of the updates. Not sure why Google is such a wuss when it comes to holding the carriers accountable for the timely delivery of their updates. AT&T says it's because they have to ensure a quality user experience, but comon, what AT&T customer actually believes that crap? LOL
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I work for AT&T and I can tell you that we (the pions in the store) think its crap too. The lockdowns, the non-market app bs, etc. I do hope google puts its BIG foot down one day and steps up to plate on this issue.
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I work for AT&T and I can tell you that we (the pions in the store) think its crap too. The lockdowns, the non-market app bs, etc. I do hope google puts its BIG foot down one day and steps up to plate on this issue.
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I think it'll come and come soon. Now that android is becoming the mainstream people will catch on and support the carrier who is on top of it
bella92108 said:
I think it'll come and come soon. Now that android is becoming the mainstream people will catch on and support the carrier who is on top of it
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hey, this is gonna sound like a really dumb question and way off topic but can you tell me how your notified when someone posts. I have always been one to read through forums daily but have never gotten too good at participating, as you might tell as I have been a member for 3 years and have very little posts. I personally have to try and remember the threads I participated in and see if someone replied. This seems very redundant but I don't see a better way to be notified. Thanks in advance
Is anyone's phone dying quickly after installing this. I even tried signing out and closing the app but my phone legit drains 10% an hour on standby. So I deleted the app. Now my wifi is turning on and off and can't keep a constant connection. Help?
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cmjkxa said:
Is anyone's phone dying quickly after installing this. I even tried signing out and closing the app but my phone legit drains 10% an hour on standby. So I deleted the app. Now my wifi is turning on and off and can't keep a constant connection. Help?
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I personally have seen no change since installing it, as for the wifi thing are you rooted and running any rom of sort of just stock? I have seen some wifi issues with the roms. Don't know if maybe the app sparked the problem or what but maybe you can backup your apps and reinstall. Good luck
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Yeah, one of Google's big thing at IO was that they wanted to eliminate the fragmentation, yet I haven't seen anything to indicate they're taking steps to achieve this.
Unfortunately it's one big advantage Apple has... they take a hard line position that the carrier doesn't touch the OS software, nor prevent the deployment of the updates. Not sure why Google is such a wuss when it comes to holding the carriers accountable for the timely delivery of their updates. AT&T says it's because they have to ensure a quality user experience, but comon, what AT&T customer actually believes that crap? LOL
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The only true advantage that Apple has over Android is that they only more or less support one device. Android is spread amongst how many different devices? It's easy to put out lackluster updates to a single device, but putting out updates to 20+ different devices isn't so easy.
how are you guys even getting it to install? is it actually working?
yes please, can any one confirm that the video call on Skype is working on the infuse?
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no it is not working. installing the custom apk does give you the video call option, but if you press it, it goes into landscape to prepare for video call and then it does nothing. gingerbread is needed since it uses the frontfacing camera api.
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Is anyone's phone dying quickly after installing this. I even tried signing out and closing the app but my phone legit drains 10% an hour on standby. So I deleted the app. Now my wifi is turning on and off and can't keep a constant connection. Help?
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Yes, my phone's battery started draining in about two hours after installing Skype, so I uninstalled and things are better again now.
Even if Skype supports video on the Infuse, I don't think I will start using it unless they address the battery usage.
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hey, this is gonna sound like a really dumb question and way off topic but can you tell me how your notified when someone posts. I have always been one to read through forums daily but have never gotten too good at participating, as you might tell as I have been a member for 3 years and have very little posts. I personally have to try and remember the threads I participated in and see if someone replied. This seems very redundant but I don't see a better way to be notified. Thanks in advance
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Click "Thread Tools" at the top of the thread. Choose subscribe thread. Choose your poison.
That should set you up so you get notified.
Snehanshu said:
Yes, my phone's battery started draining in about two hours after installing Skype, so I uninstalled and things are better again now.
Even if Skype supports video on the Infuse, I don't think I will start using it unless they address the battery usage.
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Have you tried Stop Skype from Market?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1153285
apparently theres been some success with modding skype for froyo. anybody want to try out some of these builds?
Hi, I just installed Airflip's KJ6 AOSP Style "OFFICIAL" Rom. Does anyone know if this Rom has Carrier IQ installed? I ran Eckhart's Logging TestApp, but to be honest, I found the app difficult to use. Had no clue how to read the results.
It most likely does. I don't think thàt ciq was taken into consideration when he released that rom.
It amazes me how much this has gotten out of hand. People what updates and their phone to work properly no matter what they do but don't want the device to store the needed data. Not to mention this is nothing compared to the law that was just passed that forces all US carriers to install a chip for the US government to use to send you amber alerts and terrorist attacks. With no way to remove it or opt out. Oh and did I mention that said chip that is being developed for it has GPS and voice recording options. So if everyone is willing to allow this to happen Carrier IQ is the least of your worries
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It amazes me how much this has gotten out of hand. People what updates and their phone to work properly no matter what they do but don't want the device to store the needed data. Not to mention this is nothing compared to the law that was just passed that forces all US carriers to install a chip for the US government to use to send you amber alerts and terrorist attacks. With no way to remove it or opt out. Oh and did I mention that said chip that is being developed for it has GPS and voice recording options. So if everyone is willing to allow this to happen Carrier IQ is the least of your worries
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actually....it's not chip, well at least not the alerts.... it's coded into the 2.3.6 and 2.3.7 frameworks/base :/
I'm actually in the process of removing that on my NS ROM, but people are *****ing at me NOT to remove it.. o.0
As far as CIQ, I posted a rom this morning where I fully removed it from the framework code.
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actually....it's not chip, well at least not the alerts.... it's coded into the 2.3.6 and 2.3.7 frameworks/base :/
I'm actually in the process of removing that on my NS ROM, but people are *****ing at me NOT to remove it.. o.0
As far as CIQ, I posted a rom this morning where I fully removed it from the framework code.
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Yeah no not the alerts yet. The code has just been starting to get implamented as there are those trying to fight it. I know of at least 100 people that will no longer by US based phones because of this chip once it is set to be installed. Right now they are doing it the way it should be done by carrier message. Ill track down the chips specs once I get to a PC. Maybe it will help later on when we try to disable it which we know will happen of course lol
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Yeah no not the alerts yet. The code has just been starting to get implamented as there are those trying to fight it. I know of at least 100 people that will no longer by US based phones because of this chip once it is set to be installed. Right now they are doing it the way it should be done by carrier message. Ill track down the chips specs once I get to a PC. Maybe it will help later on when we try to disable it which we know will happen of course lol
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awesome, would love to see that.
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actually....it's not chip, well at least not the alerts.... it's coded into the 2.3.6 and 2.3.7 frameworks/base :/
I'm actually in the process of removing that on my NS ROM, but people are *****ing at me NOT to remove it.. o.0
As far as CIQ, I posted a rom this morning where I fully removed it from the framework code.
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Think you can help the devs here remove the government alert and the CIQ framework from their ROMs?
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Think you can help the devs here remove the government alert and the CIQ framework from their ROMs?
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http://rootzwiki.com/topic/11025-romgalaxy-s-4g-236-ota-nociq-edition-rooted-crtonoff-bat-mod/
I'm running octane and according to the IQ check app, I don't have it
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NEVER have I seen a phone with so much bloatware. And this is just the stuff I disabled!
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Wow!!!!!
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Yeah, between att and Samsung there is a bit more than average.
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Bloat will always be the first thing to go.
How do you disable those on the phone?
Can someone start the list of whats safe to remove/freeze?
poker? lol
only google and samsung service application remain ,remove the others will be safe.
wow that is sad, soon we be free, carriers i **** on you
Holy crap. That's insane.
type R-blood
Yeah I've got to say with the locked bootloader and all this bloat, my initial impression is not that great, unfortunately. Day to day use, the phone is not as fast as my GS3 running slim bean.
Screen and hardware are fabulous, but they really effed up the software this time around. Just went wayyyyyyy overboard. And locked bootloader? Come on now
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How do you disable those on the phone?
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Settings >more >application manager >all
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Can someone start the list of whats safe to remove/freeze?
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So far I haven't had any problems with all of this junk disabled.
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Bloatware, in and of itself, is a justification for unlocking a devices bootloader and installing a custom rom. How much space is wasted?
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NEVER have I seen a phone with so much bloatware. And this is just the stuff I disabled!
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phositadc said:
NEVER have I seen a phone with so much bloatware. And this is just the stuff I disabled!
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I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something, but if you are going to disable all that Samsung software whats the point in getting an S4? It seems their software was the big upgrade this time around and the hardware less so.
It's more of a matter of form on AT&T's and Samsung's part.
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I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something, but if you are going to disable all that Samsung software whats the point in getting an S4? It seems their software was the big upgrade this time around and the hardware less so.
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I don't think Com2UsPoker, Adapt Sound, At&T Family Maps, ChoKUKor, YPmobile,TripAdvisor, BlurbCheckout, Match3VS, or most any software displayed in the screenshots are particularly unique to the GS4. I'm sure most of us will not lament the absence of the majority of the displayed list of applications. All in all, it's a rather rude of Samsung and AT&T to put all of that clearly invaluable software on a $700 phone, then make it uninstallable.
Typed on savaged goods.
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I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something, but if you are going to disable all that Samsung software whats the point in getting an S4? It seems their software was the big upgrade this time around and the hardware less so.
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The point? Having a beautiful screen and the best hardware on the market.
I think I speak for many people on this forum when I say that if I could get a GS4 with vanilla Android, I would do so in an instant and never look back.
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Bloatware, in and of itself, is a justification for unlocking a devices bootloader and installing a custom rom. How much space is wasted?
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Pretty sure there was less than 10gb free space before I even installed any of my own stuff.
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I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something, but if you are going to disable all that Samsung software whats the point in getting an S4? It seems their software was the big upgrade this time around and the hardware less so.
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That bloatware is what is causing the lag online reviewers have been mentioning. If you disable/remove it, the phone will have no lag at all.
I'm hopeful to see some AOSP-based ROMS so I can remove the bloat known as TouchWIZ.
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I don't think Com2UsPoker, Adapt Sound, At&T Family Maps, ChoKUKor, YPmobile,TripAdvisor, BlurbCheckout, Match3VS, or most any software displayed in the screenshots are particularly unique to the GS4. I'm sure most of us will not lament the absence of the majority of the displayed list of applications. All in all, it's a rather rude of Samsung and AT&T to put all of that clearly invaluable software on a $700 phone, then make it uninstallable.
Typed on savaged goods.
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In my previous post I was referring to Samsung software.
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phositadc said:
The point? Having a beautiful screen and the best hardware on the market.
I think I speak for many people on this forum when I say that if I could get a GS4 with vanilla Android, I would do so in an instant and never look back.
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Being the best is debatable. Nevertheless if you want a pure stock experience, then you might as well get a Nexus 5 when it comes out. It will be unlocked, cheaper, and probably have better specs.