Will the phone get updates from Google or T-mobile?
I'm guessing neither. LG has a desktop app that they push updates through. Unless something's different with the G2X I'd assume they'll come through the LG app.
You could also get them from www.cyanogenmod.com!
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You could also get them from www.cyanogenmod.com!
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Quoted for truth.
Hmm. So we could possibly be waiting for LG to do this? That is a potential deal-breaker for me. With pure Google experience and updates we are much more future proof.
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Hmm. So we could possibly be waiting for LG to do this? That is a potential deal-breaker for me. With pure Google experience and updates we are much more future proof.
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You're looking at getting a Nexus S or Nexus One then. For those of us not willing to pay full price, and wanting better hardware, we have to deal with manufacturers instead.
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You're looking at getting a Nexus S or Nexus One then. For those of us not willing to pay full price, and wanting better hardware, we have to deal with manufacturers instead.
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I know, but this has more appealing hardware. I just don't get it if it really is LG pushing updates... Why not just let Google handle everything?
Yeah but the update has to go through tmo first before the release it, the have to make sure their crapware is in there.
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I know, but this has more appealing hardware. I just don't get it if it really is LG pushing updates... Why not just let Google handle everything?
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What I'm saying is no phone out there but the Nexus S or Nexus One has AOSP Android. Every other phone has a version modified by the manufacturer. Google has nothing to do with these changes. The only one who can release updates is the manufacturer (or service provider if the manufacturer chooses to send the update to them first).
That's just the way it is.
Are you opposed to rooting your phone and installing custom ROMs? If you are interested in that, CM will be your best bet by far as you get the best of both worlds (CM had Gingerbread on even the Nexus One before Google did!).
If you don't want to use unofficial software, you should stick with the Nexus line. Even pure vanilla Android devices get updates through the carriers, that is how it is and how it always will be. Nexus phones are different as they are not sold through the carriers, just designed to work on them. They are managed entirely through Google which means updates come from Google.
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What I'm saying is no phone out there but the Nexus S or Nexus One has AOSP Android. Every other phone has a version modified by the manufacturer. Google has nothing to do with these changes. The only one who can release updates is the manufacturer (or service provider if the manufacturer chooses to send the update to them first).
That's just the way it is.
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I was under the impression that the vanilla devices (like the G2x obviously) was AOSP. Do you know what is modified on this version by LG? I know there is preinstalled software, but that is different than changes to AOSP.
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Hmm. So we could possibly be waiting for LG to do this? That is a potential deal-breaker for me. With pure Google experience and updates we are much more future proof.
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LG's committed to before Summer. The O2X forum has them giving June as a time frame.
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LG's committed to before Summer. The O2X forum has them giving June as a time frame.
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Just because they have the update for the O2x by June, doesn't mean the G2x will be ready. The two use different software, plus there are different expectations I think between the US market and European. I hope they come together, but I wouldn't be surprised if LG does the O2x first and then gets working on the G2x.
Bob from Wirefly.com said that he talked to someone from T-Mobile when he got the G2X for review and they said the 2.3 update was coming in one month. I'm not holding my breath, though.
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Bob from Wirefly.com said that he talked to someone from T-Mobile when he got the G2X for review and they said the 2.3 update was coming in one month. I'm not holding my breath, though.
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LOL. "Bob from Wirefly" has the inside scoop, huh.
Don't ever believe anything somebody tells you when they're trying to sell you something. That's all I'm saying.
jimbo831 said:
I was under the impression that the vanilla devices (like the G2x obviously) was AOSP. Do you know what is modified on this version by LG? I know there is preinstalled software, but that is different than changes to AOSP.
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It's not AOSP vanilla, but it's the closest you will get to it without buying a Nexus phone. There's lots of little tinkering to the OS on the LG2x. For example there's a "DTS" button in the music player to enable dts sound. Also, there's the T-Mobile motto when you drag down the status bar. There's a "tethering may incur charges" warning when you turn on wifi hotspot. There are different notification and ringtones put in. Etc etc. If you put this phone next to a Nexus phone, you will see lots of little differences beyond just the T-Mobile bloatware installed.
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It's not AOSP vanilla, but it's the closest you will get to it without buying a Nexus phone. There's lots of little tinkering to the OS on the LG2x. For example there's a "DTS" button in the music player to enable dts sound. Also, there's the T-Mobile motto when you drag down the status bar. There's a "tethering may incur charges" warning when you turn on wifi hotspot. There are different notification and ringtones put in. Etc etc. If you put this phone next to a Nexus phone, you will see lots of little differences beyond just the T-Mobile bloatware installed.
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Interesting. Mine will be delivered tomorrow so I guess I'll see soon. I've had a Nexus One since release, so I'm sure whatever is different, I will notice. Thanks for the clarification.
Not sure where, but I read from one of the CM guys (I think, don't kill me) that it's not AOSP at all! It's actually that same O2X ROM themed to look like AOSP Froyo
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Maybe with the "Nexus S" coming soon with gingerbread, samsung will skip froyo and get all galaxy s phones running the newest version first. That would be a nice end of year present. Any thoughts? Just tossing out a hope beyond hopes. Lol
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I disagree.
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No .
It`s taking a long time to getting froyo in the states as it is .
I believe I read that Samsung already released froyo to the carriers and the carriers are what's holding it back.
The Fragmentation will get worse and worse until Google fixes it, or Android implodes.
Very simple.
Imagine if you bought a new computer, and you were stuck on Windows XP all the way until now... when you were finally granted access to Vista.
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Maybe with the "Nexus S" coming soon with gingerbread, samsung will skip froyo and get all galaxy s phones running the newest version first. That would be a nice end of year present. Any thoughts? Just tossing out a hope beyond hopes. Lol
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It is pretty clear that Google has it under wraps - most manufacturers don't even have the specs. So the likelyhood of our phone getting it when the specs have not been made public and no one else has it is zero.
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Yeah, give us Froyo all ready.
See avatar!
MikeyMike01 said:
The Fragmentation will get worse and worse until Google fixes it, or Android implodes.
Very simple.
Imagine if you bought a new computer, and you were stuck on Windows XP all the way until now... when you were finally granted access to Vista.
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Yeah, fragmentation is bad. Want to hear about some fragmentation? The chrysler 300 is available in 9 trim levels, awd and rwd, with 4 different engines! Holy fragmentation batman .
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Yeah, fragmentation is bad. Want to hear about some fragmentation? The chrysler 300 is available in 9 trim levels, awd and rwd, with 4 different engines! Holy fragmentation batman .
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ROFL
Ten Chars
hahahah that would be freaking hilarious if they did htat
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Maybe with the "Nexus S" coming soon with gingerbread, samsung will skip froyo and get all galaxy s phones running the newest version first. That would be a nice end of year present. Any thoughts? Just tossing out a hope beyond hopes. Lol
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No freaking way they will do that. Samsung is in the business to make money, updating existing devices mean less people will buy their new phones. Count yourself lucky when you get Froyo.
and maybe a unicorn will fly out of my ass.
sorry for the sarcasm.....but whats the point of pure speculation?
MikeyMike01 said:
The Fragmentation will get worse and worse until Google fixes it, or Android implodes.
Very simple.
Imagine if you bought a new computer, and you were stuck on Windows XP all the way until now... when you were finally granted access to Vista.
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Nothing wrong with XP ... I still run it by choice ...
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No freaking way they will do that. Samsung is in the business to make money, updating existing devices mean less people will buy their new phones. Count yourself lucky if you get Froyo.
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Changed to what it should have read.
not gonna happen
the way I see it, the Nexus S wont be terribly dissimilar to the current SGS series of handsets (from a hardware platform). Google wont buy into this "oh we'll get around to it" bull**** of source releases (they can't, it will be their lead dev platform).
So even if Samsung/AT&T continue to be ****house at releasing fw for the Captivate, it wont matter as much as it does now, because we will have source for a lot more stuff.
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the way I see it, the Nexus S wont be terribly dissimilar to the current SGS series of handsets (from a hardware platform). Google wont buy into this "oh we'll get around to it" bull**** of source releases (they can't, it will be their lead dev platform).
So even if Samsung/AT&T continue to be ****house at releasing fw for the Captivate, it wont matter as much as it does now, because we will have source for a lot more stuff.
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I really think with the remote possibility of similar hardware or at worst case scenario Samsung went with a dual core I think that they will use as much of the existing code as possible.... (It appears as if they may be alittle lazy in the coding dept. I've been trying to tinker with the i9000 headset issue and the difference seems to be alot of code added to the Captivate so that the headset hardware in the US worked like every other phone out there instead of the lazy way that Samsung first implemented it)
And if they are as lazy as above, we should have something that may be easier to port.... or at least somewhat easier to port. Especially with the progress that the CM6.1 SGS team is making as well with ditching the rfs system.... We'll get it soon enough.... not as fast as N1s, but fairly fast.
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And if they are as lazy as above, we should have something that may be easier to port.... or at least somewhat easier to port. Especially with the progress that the CM6.1 SGS team is making as well with ditching the rfs system.... We'll get it soon enough.... not as fast as N1s, but fairly fast.
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Isn't RFS dead if you use a ext4/voodoo based kernel anyway? Dead as in, the phone can read ext4, we can just partition everything as ext4 and move along, nothing to see here.
zero likelyhood of gingerbread this year
its the crazy sh!t samsung is pulling that makes me wonder if i shouldnt have gotten an aria(only other real android option on att)
Kagoshema said:
zero likelyhood of gingerbread this year
its the crazy sh!t samsung is pulling that makes me wonder if i shouldnt have gotten an aria(only other real android option on att)
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Not sure I'd get the Aria, did it upgrade to 2.2 yet? It's also weaker and smaller than the Captivate. But I definitely agree, after seeing the speed of update and the GPS debacle.. not sure I'll get another Samsung handset again.
With AT&T though... there isn't exactly a wide range of selections.
EDIT: Them Windows 7 Mobile phones sure look tempting.. even then, I'd be eyeing the Samsung Focus.. -_-
"won't have to wait long for??"
Think we'll get this instead of 2.3.3? (Adds video chat to Google Talk, so most likely not on the Nexus One).
ref: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...e-video-chat-no-need-to-wait-until-google-io/
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"won't have to wait long for??"
Think we'll get this instead of 2.3.3? (Adds video chat to Google Talk, so most likely not on the Nexus One).
ref: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...e-video-chat-no-need-to-wait-until-google-io/
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"carl" seems to think so..... but my guess is sense its tmobile we will get 2.3.3 in july-august (even though they say june/soon)
and wont see 2.3.4 till mid fall....
but ill give a 9/10 for wishful thinking
Maybe not officially but CM7 will have this and other unofficial roms.
I'd rather get frequent steppings and options then 1 upgrade in a year.
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"carl" seems to think so..... but my guess is sense its tmobile we will get 2.3.3 in july-august (even though they say june/soon)
and wont see 2.3.4 till mid fall....
but ill give a 9/10 for wishful thinking
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Maybe so, but since they specifically say it's for video chat (ie. front facing camera) would make sense it would hit the G2x sooner rather than later (yes, yes, I know, I said "Make Sense" in regard to a Carrier). Would also explain why the G2X didn't hit with 2.3.3 with 2.3.4 in the wings.
Note: Google Tweet says this is heading to the Nexus One also
http://twitter.com/#!/googlenexus/status/63707554831806464
Android 2.3.4 OTA rolling out over the next few weeks! Has bug fixes for Nexus One, video chat for Nexus S. But a surprise is still to come!
I have trouble understanding why people complain about not getting updates.
You purchase a phone with specific version....why is update required?
I think updates for bug fixes are required but fixes for improved features....not so much...
In that case I should call honda our chevy to get my updates....
In some cases the updates are promised in which case it should be given on schedule but when its not promised....just be glad they aren't charging for them like apple......
I don't see anyone "complaining" about not getting updates. It was a simple musing on an announcement.
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I have trouble understanding why people complain about not getting updates.
You purchase a phone with specific version....why is update required?
I think updates for bug fixes are required but fixes for improved features....not so much...
In that case I should call honda our chevy to get my updates....
In some cases the updates are promised in which case it should be given on schedule but when its not promised....just be glad they aren't charging for them like apple......
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There's sort of an expectation when it comes to software that you'll get updates for at least 12 months after purchase. Maybe not new software outright, but at least be up to date with whats current.
But even then, this phone would benefit hugely from a software update and I do think it's up to Tmobile and LG to fix a few of the launch issues.
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I have trouble understanding why people complain about not getting updates.
You purchase a phone with specific version....why is update required?
I think updates for bug fixes are required but fixes for improved features....not so much...
In that case I should call honda our chevy to get my updates....
In some cases the updates are promised in which case it should be given on schedule but when its not promised....just be glad they aren't charging for them like apple......
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No one was complaining, they were just speculating. Also, upon release the g2x was already "behind" in it's os version compared to some other phones, which creates even more of an expectation for a timely release of a new version.
Also, are you really from the camp where you expect NO additional features stemming from updates for your phone? If that is the case, you probably would be better off with a *phone.
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There's a difference between "wanting" one and "needing" one. This phone is buggy as crap. I'd love Gingerbread but I'd settle for:
- Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and a radio that get along.
- Bluetooth that remembers profiles.
- Not getting random reboots.
- Faster 4G than my old G2.
- A signal indicator that displays what the phone's actually doing.
There's more, but you get the idea.
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I have trouble understanding why people complain about not getting updates.
You purchase a phone with specific version....why is update required?
I think updates for bug fixes are required but fixes for improved features....not so much...
In that case I should call honda our chevy to get my updates....
In some cases the updates are promised in which case it should be given on schedule but when its not promised....just be glad they aren't charging for them like apple......
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Probably because in most cases you have to sign up for a 2 year contract, which is like 5 years in techland. But that's just me.
Just an FYI, Google pushed the source and binaries for 2.3.4 to ASOP a little while ago.. and the signed update.zip for Samsung is available for direct download.
Sooner than we think may really be sooner than we think.
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Just an FYI, Google pushed the source and binaries for 2.3.4 to ASOP a little while ago.. and the signed update.zip for Samsung is available for direct download.
Sooner than we think may really be sooner than we think.
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With the code now in ASOP, I would imagine that it will be a part of the CM7 build that finally gets released for us.
Well I consider myself quite loyal to the Android platform and handset manufactures. Bought (and all SIM free) HTC Magic, Motorola Milestone, HTC Desire, Nexus One, Galaxy S, Nexus S.... now that's quite a bit of cash I have spent.
So, after deciding to settle with the Nexus range, as I do like the idea of getting a vanilla android OS, plus the latest and greatest updates.... As I did with the Nexus One.
Well I have two Nexus S's, one for me and one for the girlfriend.... so we are looking nearly 1000€ at the time of purchase.
Both handsets are the i9020 models... and both running 2.3.4
So, out pop's 2.3.5, and it's only for the Nexus S 4G ... well, OK I can live with that.
Now out pop's 2.3.6 ... and once again, or at least for the moment, nothing for the i9020 owners.
To me this is just simply wrong. Plain and simple. There are too many variants of the handset now, but as someone who generally buys on day of release I am expecting to the get the updates.
I can not believe I am alone in thinking this, but one thing is for sure I will be seriously debating purchasing the Nexus Prime or whatever it may be called in the end, if this is how OTA's will be handled.
Interested to see if anyone feels the same about this.
U do know that there just bug fixes for our phone .....y would u want an ota that has nothing to do wit ur phone ...
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There are plenty of bugs in 2.3.4 on i9020 .... most of the problem is Samsung firing out god knows how many variants of the handset. OK, with the Nexus One they had no choice due to supplies of the displays.
It should all be streamlined, not so fragmented.
There are important security patches in these updates too.
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There are important security patches in these updates too.
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Which would apply to the i9020 I assume. Also I guess the android source is on 2.3.6 now... so our handset will be not up to date.
kuntstubble said:
most of the problem is Samsung firing out god knows how many variants of the handset.
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This isn't unusual when you provide phones to multiple carriers.
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This isn't unusual when you provide phones to multiple carriers.
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Yeah OK, but if I pay good money for a SIM free and unlocked handset, which also is meant to be THE purest Android handset on the market, then WTF are we lagging on versions? Sure if they find a carrier specific error, shoot out an update and name it GR1234. But if the base Android platform is update I expect and so should everyone to get them.
You are incorrect on one thing. Is that Samsung has anything to do with Nexus updates. They don't, this is all Google. Another thing, the update just dropped like a week ago, and isn't even widespread to those who are getting it. Doing research also would of helped your cause in this case. Sprint has already announced on the support page that it's coming. You should read my article.. http://the-android-world.blogspot.com/2011/09/nexus-s-update-build-gwk15f-outed.html
You sound as bad as Fixxer did with the Nexus. Be patient... It just dropped, the fix was mostly intended for the voice search bug. Which not all Nexus S's had the issue.
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You are incorrect on one thing. Is that Samsung has anything to do with Nexus updates. They don't, this is all Google. Another thing, the update just dropped like a week ago, and isn't even widespread to those who are getting it. Doing research also would of helped your cause in this case. Sprint has already announced on the support page that it's coming. You should read my article.. http://the-android-world.blogspot.com/2011/09/nexus-s-update-build-gwk15f-outed.html
You sound as bad as Fixxer did with the Nexus. Be patient... It just dropped, the fix was mostly intended for the voice search bug. Which not all Nexus S's had the issue.
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OK some of your comments are valid. And I know fine well that Google provide the OTA's and not Samsung. Think you are missing my point tho... and it's as simple as this, there is fragmentation of the version numbers and functionality too... I'm not banging on about the baseband, but the actual OS...
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Yeah OK, but if I pay good money for a SIM free and unlocked handset, which also is meant to be THE purest Android handset on the market, then WTF are we lagging on versions? Sure if they find a carrier specific error, shoot out an update and name it GR1234. But if the base Android platform is update I expect and so should everyone to get them.
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2.3.4 was suppose to be the last Gingerbread release. 2.3.5 was for the Nexus S 4G because of network issues. 2.3.6 was for the versions experiencing the search popup bug. It would make sense that they are holding off releasing anything to the other Nexus variants until ICS is ready.
There are many more changes than just the major updates you see in the promo materials. 2.3.5 changed way more than just network stuff for NS4G. and 2.3.6 changes way more than just fixing the search popup bug.
It would be nice to get all the latest security patches and bug fixes from 2.3.6 on my T-Mobile Nexus S. BUT, I know resources are often stretched thin especially ahead of a major new release like Ice Cream Sandwich, so I am totally fine with Google putting their attention and resources on that rather than updating my Nexus S with some security patches and bug fixes that the average user will never notice.
Also, the cool thing about Android is, if you really really want 2.3.6 on your NS4G or T-Mo Nexus or Nexus One.... well go here http://source.android.com/source/initializing.html and follow the directions and you can download the 2.3.6 source and build it for any Nexus device.
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There are many more changes than just the major updates you see in the promo materials. 2.3.5 changed way more than just network stuff for NS4G. and 2.3.6 changes way more than just fixing the search popup bug.
It would be nice to get all the latest security patches and bug fixes from 2.3.6 on my T-Mobile Nexus S. BUT, I know resources are often stretched thin especially ahead of a major new release like Ice Cream Sandwich, so I am totally fine with Google putting their attention and resources on that rather than updating my Nexus S with some security patches and bug fixes that the average user will never notice.
Also, the cool thing about Android is, if you really really want 2.3.6 on your NS4G or T-Mo Nexus or Nexus One.... well go here http://source.android.com/source/initializing.html and follow the directions and you can download the 2.3.6 source and build it for any Nexus device.
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But do you not think that if you fork out for a vanilla android handset, that you should get every single update. If the source is on 2.3.6, I expect my vanilla handset to also be on that. I do not think it is too much to ask considering it is still sold and marketed as being the real google android phone.
I never had this problem with the Nexus One, and I sure as hell did not expect it with the Nexus S... I feel I have been short changed a little by Google.
Seriously CRYING for NOTHING. Take a breath and put the phone down. We will probably get the update soon. Chill out. And because of this you don't want another nexus? Have fun waiting for almost a year for updates.
Not crying for nothing. I just don't think it's fair.
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But do you not think that if you fork out for a vanilla android handset, that you should get every single update. If the source is on 2.3.6, I expect my vanilla handset to also be on that. I do not think it is too much to ask considering it is still sold and marketed as being the real google android phone.
I never had this problem with the Nexus One, and I sure as hell did not expect it with the Nexus S... I feel I have been short changed a little by Google.
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Ever try to compile your own ROM? It is very simple and Google has very detailed instructions. The most difficult part, if it is difficult is getting linux and your dev enviroment up and running. Then you can compile your own ROM from source which will add another dimension of fun to your phone
Life isnt fair little Guy. I'm sorry you have to live in such a terrible world where everyone has choice. Someday when you are old enough to vote you can try to elect someone who will force everyone to be identical and all own Motorola razrs. Until that day comes, we will be stuck here forced to suffer as we wait for a small bugfix update that was much needed for hardware that isn't the same as the phone we own. Keep those dreams alive squirt. Never lose hope!
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But do you not think that if you fork out for a vanilla android handset, that you should get every single update. If the source is on 2.3.6, I expect my vanilla handset to also be on that. I do not think it is too much to ask considering it is still sold and marketed as being the real google android phone.
I never had this problem with the Nexus One, and I sure as hell did not expect it with the Nexus S... I feel I have been short changed a little by Google.
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Do you cry when your girlfriend gets the OTA notification before you do? Its not fair! Why does she get it first? They activated my phone before hers!
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Rem3Dy said:
Do you cry when your girlfriend gets the OTA notification before you do? Its not fair! Why does she get it first? They activated my phone before hers!
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Wow, you really are a total prick... but then again, I guess you can not afford SIM free and are roped into a contract.
Grow some pubes.
As one person stated there are changes and bug fixes that would also benefit i9020 owners, you know, the ones who can afford to splash out cash on handsets.
Finally you jumped up little spunk stain, I've never installed via OTA, I just grab the download link and slap it on as an update.zip
Rem3Dy said:
Do you cry when your girlfriend gets the OTA notification before you do? Its not fair! Why does she get it first? They activated my phone before hers!
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Wow, you really are a total prick... but then again, I guess you can not afford SIM free and are roped into a contract.
Grow some pubes.
As one person stated there are changes and bug fixes that would also benefit i9020 owners, you know, the ones who can afford to splash out cash on handsets.
Finally you jumped up little spunk stain, I've never installed via OTA, I just grab the download link and slap it on as an update.zip
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It's been entertaining gentlemen, but please take it to PM if you wish to continue.
There was only one true "nexus" phone and that was the Nexus One. Google is now bright eyed about the making money from hardware business. Expect them to fold like a house of cards to the carriers in the US.
Dems the breaks.
(this is why nobody should support cdma phones)
hey guys although i havent find nothing online that said so but a seen a few people talking about it in threats and even a tmobile sales men told me that there suppost to be a another ota for the g2x. some people thinks its gonna be 2.3.4 and have the LG Camera in it?
im just wanted to pass this along
and i will appreciate no hateful comments against LG/Tmobile.
we have this phone and we just go from there
Well, we're getting ICS either way thanks to Cyanogen... But it would be nice if LG and T-Mobile still showed some love for our phones!
I kind of doubt we will see another OTA update anytime soon but if we do great.
T mobile is all about the Sensation and Galaxy S 2, and LG has had enough if this fiasco of a phone. Cyanogen is the only hope of this ever getting another update, of any flavor.
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i hope this is true since i don't root my phones
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i guess you guys are right!! i just cant understand when tmobile gave my friend from tmobile tech support a g2x with gingebread for test when the g2x came out!
it was 2.3.4 and their ota its 2.3.3 i talked to my friend today to see if he heard anything of another ota for the g2x. he said no he hasnt heard anything and pretty much they have forgotten or given up with the g2x.
my opinion on this is if this phone isnt going to be that much of a deal to companies. well i thing NVIDIA should release their drivers to the devs!!!
and another thing this is suppost to be a GOOGLE phone! why google aint doing nothing!
gypsy214 said:
and another thing this is suppost to be a GOOGLE phone! why google aint doing nothing!
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Look here to find your answer: http://tinyurl.com/3pshom4!!!
New rule: Anyone who posts a LMGTFY link gets their fingers chewed off by drunken chimpanzees.
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omarsalmin said:
Look here to find your answer: http://tinyurl.com/3pshom4!!!
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and you have to be a jerk to a person that is just asking a question why.
maybe i should google that too.
The guy makes good points and is upset he threw his money away you have to add to that by being a jerk?
If the "OTA" is going to be 2.3.4, it's going to be outdated. We've been on 2.3.5<-- for almost 2 months now. (Well, with CM7, EB, Faux123, MIUI, etc.)
well that would be nice to see 2.3.4 at least.. maybe they can make the damn 4g icon and signal bars green like gingerbread is suppose to be. then give us the lg cam back then hopefully give us gtalk with video chat.. since skype hates tegra 2's and wont support are phones.. i shouldnt have to root my phone to get things that should just work with a stock rom.
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well that would be nice to see 2.3.4 at least.. maybe they can make the damn 4g icon and signal bars green like gingerbread is suppose to be. then give us the lg cam back then hopefully give us gtalk with video chat.. since skype hates tegra 2's and wont support are phones.. i shouldnt have to root my phone to get things that should just work with a stock rom.
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I guess you're right
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FatalityBoyZahy said:
If the "OTA" is going to be 2.3.4, it's going to be outdated. We've been on 2.3.5<-- for almost 2 months now. (Well, with CM7, EB, Faux123, MIUI, etc.)
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Nexus One just updated today via OTA to 2.3.6. Hopefully LG skips a few versions and catches up if they issue another update.
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Nexus One just updated today via OTA to 2.3.6. Hopefully LG skips a few versions and catches up if they issue another update.
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thats what im saying!!! Nexus One or Nexus S are google phones thats why they get updates first but the g2x its a google phone too! so WTF
gypsy214 said:
thats what im saying!!! Nexus One or Nexus S are google phones thats why they get updates first but the g2x its a google phone too! so WTF
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It's not a google phone.
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It's not a google phone.
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Correct, it's just with google on the back of the phone like the G2. Only Google phones made are the nexus line.
Hell will freeze over before this phone gets another official update. If you wont root and update it yourself but are savvy enough to use xda you have no one to blame but yourself.
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The difference is that the devices in the Google Nexus line have their roms developed by Google engineers. Other devices must rely on the respective manufacturer to update them. On the Nexus line Google also pushes out the OTA themselves and never takes them down like T-Mobile did for the G2X. That was lame. Why not keep the OTA on your servers forever like Google does. Plus Google lets anyone get the OTA on any carrier. TMO limited it to people connected to their network (not even MVNOs) only. Since Google does their testing of new versions of Android on their own Nexus line, new roms get pushed out pretty darn fast. Soon, alas, they are going to declare the venerable Nexus One end of life (EOL) and stop providing roms for it. It might get ICS but we'll have to wait and see.
But the G2X is a great phone and the differences between 2.3.3 and 2.3.4 and 2.3.6 are so minimal there is nothing really to be upset about. No O2X worldwide has even gotten any official versions of GB yet, so you can be thankful, for once, that the US is a litigious society and the class action forced LG to release GB before they planned to. But now that they did, any future versions are questionable. LG doesn't have a good record of updating phones very often or very quickly.
i almost got to the point where i was gonna trade my g2x for a nexus s just because its a google phone and i know it will always be updated fast. but its hard to down grade from the g2xs nice specs
s10shane said:
i almost got to the point where i was gonna trade my g2x for a nexus s just because its a google phone and i know it will always be updated fast. but its hard to down grade from the g2xs nice specs
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I'd much rather keep my G2X, even if it was still on 2.2, rather than trade for a Nexus S. Keep your G2X.
http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-says-bootloader-unlock-tool-coming-gps-hard-yall
so, I know I personally am absolutely 100% enraged to read about this, since we still haven't heard anything about an official ota for NS4G.
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
Ya, it is a bit disturbing.
Well, the work week just started back up for them, so maybe we will hear something in the next couple days?
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http://www.androidcentral.com/asus-says-bootloader-unlock-tool-coming-gps-hard-yall
so, I know I personally am absolutely 100% enraged to read about this, since we still haven't heard anything about an official ota for NS4G.
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Sprint says we'll be "among the first" to updates, not "the first".
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Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
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I'd be amazed if this is Google's doing.
Sprint's website says "It runs Android™ 2.3 (Gingerbread) the latest version of Android for smartphones." They're the ones that are clueopenic, not Google.
Don't get me wrong: I'm plenty annoyed at not getting OTA ICS. It's just that I don't actually expect Sprint to live up to their promises, since this is not something they've ever tended to do in the past. Sprint users go through this with every software update for every platform on every phone.
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Sprint says we'll be "among the first" to updates, not "the first".
I'd be amazed if this is Google's doing.
Sprint's website says "It runs Android™ 2.3 (Gingerbread) the latest version of Android for smartphones." They're the ones that are clueopenic, not Google.
Don't get me wrong: I'm plenty annoyed at not getting OTA ICS. It's just that I don't actually expect Sprint to live up to their promises, since this is not something they've ever tended to do in the past. Sprint users go through this with every software update for every platform on every phone.
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The update does come directly from Google. Sprint works with Samsung to create proprietary hardware drivers that contain everything you need to access Sprint's cell phone network. These drivers are then made available in binary only form to Google. Google then adds these drivers to their official build. The final product is then delivered directly from Google to your Nexus S 4G phone.
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this quote came from sprint community forums. http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/380145#380145
Sprint does NOT provide our update...google does. Google is falling behind, and they need to be held accountable for their screw-ups. Just because they didn't say "NS4G will be the first" does not make it acceptable for 3rd parties to get an update before they can even get off their lazy asses just to push a button for their OFFICIAL FIRST-PARTY USERS. Everything we need is on their server for download, and if devs here can get off their asses top compile this rom, google sure as hell can do the same!!!
No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
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No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
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Source or GTFO. And we've already got the drivers, I'm using ICS on my NS4G right now. 4g and everything.
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No. Google is waiting on Sprint, not the other way around.
In addition to providing CDMA drivers, Sprint has to approve the final package that is pushed, and they haven't yet done that.
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lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
I'm not saying you're wrong, but in my opinion, it does not look like it's sprint's fault. It looks like Google is either lazy about releasing it, or they are too dumb to build a rom that's working properly so it's stuck in pre-release testing. However, this is just my opinion....but as far as actually building/releasing the OTA, that is 100% on google's end. whether or not the authorization is coming/has to come from sprint is another story entirely....the point is, if that is the case, google isn't doing their jobs and telling them to screw themselves so they don't look like the bad guy in this!! It's not sprint who will have the damaged reputation after this is all said & done.
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Source or GTFO. And we've already got the drivers, I'm using ICS on my NS4G right now. 4g and everything.
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<shrug> it's the way it's always worked.
This worked in our favor earlier when Sprint okayed deployment of Google Wallet on our devices and GSM users were foaming at the mouth to get it. In those cases, too, it wasn't Google (which has excellent reasons for getting Wallet into as many hands as possible) but the carriers which held up release.
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lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
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No.
What is the connection between having all the files on the server and Sprint's approval of a final release version?
In your earlier quote lifted from another site, the poster was saying the updates are pushed from Google's servers, not Sprints. That's correct. However, they can't just start pushing updates without carrier approval. This is why, for example, T-Mobile got ICS before ATT.
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<shrug> it's the way it's always worked.
This worked in our favor earlier when Sprint okayed deployment of Google Wallet on our devices and GSM users were foaming at the mouth to get it. In those cases, too, it wasn't Google (which has excellent reasons for getting Wallet into as many hands as possible) but the carriers which held up release.
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No.
What is the connection between having all the files on the server and Sprint's approval of a final release version?
In your earlier quote lifted from another site, the poster was saying the updates are pushed from Google's servers, not Sprints. That's correct. However, they can't just start pushing updates without carrier approval. This is why, for example, T-Mobile got ICS before ATT.
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that was a result of carriers' investment in other companies that developed very similar software to google wallet....exactly the same as when the GN was delayed for verizon because google wanted wallet on their official device and verizon had a coronary about it because they had already backed another company's software that does exactly the same thing.
as for carrier approval, google can only wait so long before they just snap and push the update anyway. carriers can not make the rest of the world wait for an update just because they don't want it released to their devices yet. Google needs to just ***** slap sprint, tell them to shut the hell up, and push the update before this damages their reputation any more than it already has. Like I said, it won't be sprint whose rep is damaged from all of this, just like no one looks towards verizon for the GN delay...the world will blame google, and they aren't even standing up for themselves.
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lol...is that why every single file needed to build a FULL ics rom is already on the server??
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Sure, they could build ICS for the NS4G but the 4G radio wouldn't work. Drivers aren't part of AOSP.
Also, didn't Google pulled the ICS update for the (tmobile) Nexus S? If that's still true, they're clearly working out the issues with ICS before releasing it to the NS4G, etc.
It is most likely *not* Googles doing. I don't know where half of you get these crack pot ideas from that Google or any other OEM is in control over how and when they push an update.
- OEM builds ROM
- OEM submits ROM to carriers (i.e. Sprint branded phone would require Sprint to approve the update).
Carriers can be total dicks about updates and providing OTA. I've seen it all first hand from when I had a Motorola Milestone (Motorola telling us the 2.1 has been built and has gone through testing but they are waiting for carriers to approve them on their networks) we had to waiting months for the updates due to some carriers.
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Sure, they could build ICS for the NS4G but the 4G radio wouldn't work. Drivers aren't part of AOSP.
Also, didn't Google pulled the ICS update for the (tmobile) Nexus S? If that's still true, they're clearly working out the issues with ICS before releasing it to the NS4G, etc.
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Driver binaries are on Google's servers for nexus devices. 100% built from source and 4g works just fine.....
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we are waiting for sprint to approve the new radio that will come with the ota. That is what causes the holdup.
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maybe Google is still fixing what does not go to ics now and then....maybe xD we can see ics on all nexus ^^
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that was a result of carriers' investment in other companies that developed very similar software to google wallet...
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Precisely. I'm glad you finally see my point that Google can't just push out an update because they want to, but are hampered by needing carrier approval.
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carriers can not make the rest of the world wait for an update just because they don't want it released to their devices yet.
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When did this start being true?
It's absolutely true that carriers CAN prevent official release of an update for any reason, or for no reason. They've done it many times before and they'll do it again. Sprint has a long track record of doing exactly this.
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Google needs to just ***** slap sprint, tell them to shut the hell up, and push the update
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You have an awfully lot to learn about how contracts work.
If I run a massive business and another massive business violates my contract with them (for example, pushes an unapproved update to what I think of as "my" devices irrespective of the beliefs or desires of my subscribers), many lawyers are going to be fed and I will expect a massive transfer of assets from that other company to mine.
mstevens is dead on. Sprint will not allow the push of an ota until they can be sure this update won't toast peoples phones, and for the people in the world that have a nxs4g and don't do modding, if the update is broken, they can't just fix what Google's update did. My brother has the GSM version, and received the update, and honestly were not missing anything. The user made roms are already becoming superior builds anyway. We will eventually get the update, I for one am glad sprint said no at the moment though, I would hate to waste my time on a broken ota lol
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lol...too many people to quote you all, so I'm gonna do my best to answer everyone
Ok, I understand how contracts work. My point is this: yes, google has a contract with sprint (or any other carrier, for that matter) to provide radios, wimax drivers, what-have-you, and I understand that if sprint won't sign, there's not much the manufacturer can do...I get that. But my biggest concern with all of this is that google is not flexing their muscles. They have made a guarantee to their customers (not explicit, but still implied) that they would provide ALL NEXUS UPDATES in a timely manner. Sprint is now holding google back from seeing this implied promise carried through, and the fact that other manufacturers are already pushing full ota updates now makes google look bad (grounds for a lawsuit).
I understand that if google were to break that contract by circumventing sprint by releasing the update anyway, they could be sued...I get that. However, google could also counter-sue for making customers wait an unreasonable amount of time for an update that is, by all rights, a "god-given right" to all nexus users prior to anyone else getting it.
Now let's talk about how many people use an NS4G to develop software that they get paid top develop. By sprint not releasing an official update, they are now inhibiting developers from doing business, and therefore they are taking money out of people's pockets. Yes, I know this last example is far-fetched a little bit, but honestly, it's really not all that far off. Yeah, people can just compile aosp themselves, and if they are truly developers, they should know how to do that....but let's say they are working on one particular app that is exclusive for sprint users, and they want to make sure it will run properly on sprint's network via an ICS handset....oh, wait...they can't because sprint are a bunch of lazy pieces of **** who won't sign. This is grounds for class-action, IMHO.
I may not be a lawyer, but it's blatantly obvious to me that if sprint holds out long enough, they are absolutely 100% vulnerable to class-action suits...and maybe even a suit from google, as well. Let's face it, no one but sprint & google execs really know the terms of the contract, but for all we know, it IS in the contract to provide timely updates. If this is the case, I hope someone gets sued like a SOB for this delay, because it's unacceptable!!!!!
hp420 said:
Google is ****ing up big time, and they may lose a LARGE chunk of nexus users over this. I may be one of them, too, if they can't fix this problem asap!!
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I suggest that this LARGE chunk of nexus users may be better served by one of the many other smartphone mfrs who provided a pure ICS update (i.e. no BS extra UI layer and no bloat) over the holiday. Which one will you choose? Oh, wait.
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I hope someone gets sued like a SOB for this delay, because it's unacceptable!!!!!
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Really. You want a lawsuit, because a bunch of software developers wouldn't work at your whim over the nation's biggest holiday?
The111 said:
I suggest that this LARGE chunk of nexus users may be better served by one of the many other smartphone mfrs who provided a pure ICS update (i.e. no BS extra UI layer and no bloat) over the holiday. Which one will you choose? Oh, wait.
Really. You want a lawsuit, because a bunch of software developers wouldn't work at your whim over the nation's biggest holiday?
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actually, since the drivers, kernel, etc. was all pushed to google's update servers WELL over a week before christmas, they wouldn't have been working during the holiday at all to get it pushed to NS4g...they just had to click a few buttons....something I've done a few hundred thousand times in the last 5 minutes.
BTW, no need to be a smartass about it. if I want to switch from nexus to get a pure android ui, I can always just root and modify the ota to have a stock theme. So now what do you have to say about that, smartass??? Oh wait...
tool.
hp420 said:
actually, since the drivers, kernel, etc. was all pushed to google's update servers WELL over a week before christmas, they wouldn't have been working during the holiday at all to get it pushed to NS4g...they just had to click a few buttons....something I've done a few hundred thousand times in the last 5 minutes.
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You're making multiple assumptions. You assume that by the existence of particular source files on a particular server, you know what Google's stance as to the public release candidacy of a compiled package is. Please explain why you believe this. There are only two ways we could know such a thing:
1) Google publicly declares it (i.e. this compiled package IS ready for public use... or vice versa)
2) Google actually pushes the compiled package (in the absence of such an action, the logical assumption to make is that they are not ready to do such a thing yet, for their own reasons... i.e. there is still something else they need to do. NOT that they are "too lazy/stupid to push a few buttons")
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BTW, no need to be a smartass about it. if I want to switch from nexus to get a pure android ui, I can always just root and modify the ota to have a stock theme. So now what do you have to say about that, smartass??? Oh wait...
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You're right, the sarcasm is 100% optional. It's an option that I quite enjoy though. I won't, however, stoop to personal attacks.
How about this. Sarcasm removed for you, I will ask the question that was clearly evident in my last post. If you decide to "leave Google" because of your discontent, which handset vendor will you turn to? Who do you believe is a better option? Who will give you a pure Android update in a shorter timespan? I am genuinely (no sarcasm) interested!