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[Q] Who thinks there will be a pattern with the nexus line?

Well who here ever watched avatar the last airbender (not the movie, but the cartoon ) Well its just a idea that popped in my head. So if the nexus one was first made by htc, then jumps to samsung... maybe it will be then made by motorola, lg, nokia.... or just "MAJOR" phone makers.

So what exactly is the pattern ??
Right now Samsung has the best technology: CPU and display, they also have the capability to manufacture large number of units. So the pattern here (if there is one) is that Google is choosing the most capable manufacturer with the best technology at the time.

PhoenixFx said:
So what exactly is the pattern ??
Right now Samsung has the best technology: CPU and display, they also have the capability to manufacture large number of units. So the pattern here (if there is one) is that Google is choosing the most capable manufacturer with the best technology at the time.
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I don't know if there actually is a pattern. Like I said, it was just an idea.

I think Google is rewarding those hardware partners that are heavily investing in Android. First HTC, who made Android consumer adoption what it is today. Now Samsung, who launched the second wave of consumer attention towards Android with their broad spectrum of Galaxy phones (and a tablet). Simple as that.

Perhaps there will be a new Nexus every year.

"Nexus", as Google said, is (now) a label indicating Pure Android Experience. So basically, it'll probably be an "approved by Google", developer-friendly, technologically sound (though maybe not always latest tech) "line" of products from multiple manufacturers, but all under the same "tagline" indicating corporate non-intrusiveness and Google thumbs-uppage.

sauron0101 said:
Perhaps there will be a new Nexus every year.
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Probably one for every new version of android that seems to be the trend so far
Nexus one isn't even a year old

I just wish google could call representatives from HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola etc. get them around a table and say "OK, now who has the best screen ? Who produces the best batteries ? Who can make the best case ?" and so on, and build a google phone with the best feature of each brand.

Next Andy Rubin will ask Nokia to make Nexus bcos Nokia has largest market outside US

All these manufacturers are part of the Open Handset Alliance. I'm pretty sure Google is just going turn by turn. The fact that the next Nexus device is mostly going to be the Motorola Everest tablet that Andy Rubin showed off is proof of that.
For all you know, the next Nexus phone will be made by either ASUS, Acer, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, LG or Dell.
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html

fatefearfighter said:
I think Google is rewarding those hardware partners that are heavily investing in Android. First HTC, who made Android consumer adoption what it is today. Now Samsung, who launched the second wave of consumer attention towards Android with their broad spectrum of Galaxy phones (and a tablet). Simple as that.
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Agreed
sauron0101 said:
Perhaps there will be a new Nexus every year.
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Probably, google will make a new one to showcase the best android hardware/software each year or two

Google has these strong partnerships with all these big device makers...if Google stuck with HTC(my personal fav) and didnt give opportunity to the others to make flagship devices for Google, it would cause strain on those realationships. I would not be surprised to see a Moto or LG Nexus down the road.

I'm not a fan of LG, just to think of a LG nexus makes me disgusted. It kinda suck to think that samsung isn't sharing its super amoled screens anymore to other companies. It really would be great if HTC made it and samsung was willing to share its S-amoled. I like everything about the nexus s except the lack of LED and a plastic back. I'm fine with a 16gb internal memory built in.

I don't think Nokia will be making an Android device ever, or at least for a long time. They have been strongly opposed since they own Symbian.

tekkitan said:
I don't think Nokia will be making an Android device ever, or at least for a long time. They have been strongly opposed since they own Symbian.
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They will when they start losing money.
Look at moto.

JCopernicus said:
They will when they start losing money.
Look at moto.
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Moto had no choice, they were going down fast, and at the point where their mobile division could disappear. On the other hand, Nokia is still the number 1 manufacturer and selling a lot outside of the U.S. They are also sticking to their Maemo OS. So I don't see Nokia loosing money anytime soon.
Actually, I don't really see Nokia jumping on Android until they ditch Maemo.

HTC HD2 MAN said:
I'm not a fan of LG, just to think of a LG nexus makes me disgusted. It kinda suck to think that samsung isn't sharing its super amoled screens anymore to other companies. It really would be great if HTC made it and samsung was willing to share its S-amoled. I like everything about the nexus s except the lack of LED and a plastic back. I'm fine with a 16gb internal memory built in.
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LG is the third mobile manufactor so why not in the future to see a nexus from them....and they just launched two really good smartphones...the lg optimus and optimus 7....i think they will be very strong in the near future.

cpcrazyfly said:
Google has these strong partnerships with all these big device makers...if Google stuck with HTC(my personal fav) and didnt give opportunity to the others to make flagship devices for Google, it would cause strain on those realationships. I would not be surprised to see a Moto or LG Nexus down the road.
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After all the complaints Google got from the Nexus, made by HTC, you better hope they even reconsider them =/

BlueScreenJunky said:
I just wish google could call representatives from HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola etc. get them around a table and say "OK, now who has the best screen ? Who produces the best batteries ? Who can make the best case ?" and so on, and build a google phone with the best feature of each brand.
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The reason this doesn't happen is they would all want a piece of the pie. Large pieces.
It's all about money to most companies.
But anyways:
CPU - Samsung
GPS - What ever Motorola or HTC uses
Screen - Samsung
Case - Motorola
Case Design - HTC
Software - Google
Antenna - HTC or LG

Drybones5 said:
The reason this doesn't happen is they would all want a piece of the pie. Large pieces.
It's all about money to most companies.
But anyways:
CPU - Samsung
GPS - What ever Motorola or HTC uses
Screen - Samsung
Case - Motorola
Case Design - HTC
Software - Google
Antenna - HTC or LG
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where does nokia and acer come in? haha

Is it just me or are the phone manufacturers getting out of control?

I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.

Riddlin said:
I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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get used to it br0. It's the cycle of technology. You can NEVER keep up. Just love what you have.

I do love what I had. That is why I just sold it on ebay. LOL I want the latest and greatest, but this is getting ridiculous. Who in the heck wants to hang with their old droid when there are 20 better phones out there within a year. Either Apple is on something or they are on to something. 1 new phone ever 6 months to a year and people go nutz for the fricking thing.

My advice evaluate the phone technology and its likelihood to be supported. These are the 2 most critical items to consider.
I have had a Galaxy phone since its release and I waited for it for 5 months before getting it............ because I knew it was going to have tech that would endure for a while. Now, we have the dual cores everywhere. Beware, just because it is dual core does not make it a great phone. Make sure to check everything out, and make sure it will be supported. Finally, As soon as you get a dual core in ........2012 there will be quad cores..........and so it goes...........

illuminarias said:
get used to it br0. It's the cycle of technology. You can NEVER keep up. Just love what you have.
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exactly the same goes for PCs

Riddlin said:
I do love what I had. That is why I just sold it on ebay. LOL I want the latest and greatest, but this is getting ridiculous. Who in the heck wants to hang with their old droid when there are 20 better phones out there within a year. Either Apple is on something or they are on to something. 1 new phone ever 6 months to a year and people go nutz for the fricking thing.
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Well, yeah. Then commercial groups offering spaceship travels for big money definietly shouldn't do it, but wait until everyone can afford it.
If only having the best phone makes you feel the best I feel sorry for you. : (

Riddlin said:
I want the latest and greatest
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Then the problem is clearly you and not the manufacturers. Ask yourself why you always want the latest and greatest. What significant and meaningful difference does it make in your day-to-day life.

Riddlin said:
I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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The carriers will never update their phones as quickly as we would like, but we have CM7, Miui and other distributions to fix that.

Do you upgrade a laptop every 3-4 months? Likely not.
'phones' are becoming similar.
Also, Android being a powerful free OS allows many phone makers to get in on making a smartphone quite quickly. This is a good thing, not a bad one.
I dont go to the food store and complain there are too many different types of bread. Choice is a luxury.
/firstworldproblems

There is a problem.
The problem isnt choice or speed of new handsets. Its the fact these handset makers seem to be going out of there way to hold back features just to create more options.
Nearly every choice you make you sacrifice something that shouldnt be. This last year Samsung was incredibly guilty of that.
We shouldnt have to pick between the phone with the best camera or the best screen 3g or 4g when theyre released with identical specs within a few weeks/months of each other.
You end up with a situation where IMO since 3GS/NexusOne were both available at same time theres basically no best handset to get. They all have some glaring downside that often seems intentional. Nexus Galaxy having weak gpu/pentile screen/5mp camera for a flasgship phone is the calling card of this awful trend.
Hopefully Google buying Moto means a true flagship android phone will be out in the future. HTCs lousy digitizer selection , and Samsungs half assed approach really are getting on my nerves.
Win7 just needs more options PERIOD.

Actually I'm happy I'm a reviewer and I get all the newest models for a week only. I never have to regret my choice and invest in next generations and upgrades.
That's why I chose a mid-tier device - If review phones must be wiped, I can still keep my data on my Ace and customize how I want.
It's good that technology is moving so fast. You buy a thing, but there are many others that haven't bought this thing. If they were iPhoners, they would have to wait until June (or October in 4s case) till the next model.
But Androiders and WP7ists just go in the store and buy tech that is up to date, because it is released just weeks ago and so specs are always at its zenith.

Phone manufacturers are really going out of control. They produce phones with specs that are missing, then include them in their next offerings. but then they produce phones which are pretty much the same as the ones before except for 1 or 2 upgrades to increase sales.
They like to make their products 'diverse' but if you look on the bird's eye view of it. It becomes clear that they are just going for quantity without quality products.
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
Better buy a product which suits you for the next year or two

I think it's great, actually. People only THINK they need the latest and greatest device, when they don't. I rather have 5 new phones come out in a 2 week period than having to wait for something for a year or so. With android, there's little chance of you not finding the PERFECT phone for you. (Mines is the SK4G, I can care less about any other phone now)
The only problem I see with rapid phone releases is updates. I highly doubt the Sidekick 4G, even with it coming out earlier this year, will see ICS... let alone Gingerbread, because they're forgotten about/ not important enough.
Honestly, if you have a rooted GB device, and it runs how you like it, do you need to worry about the newer phones?

yujin_11 said:
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
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Because, short of Apple and their ability as a small company producing both hardware and software,there is not profit in that. Companies are out to make money, it is not their fault that the wealthy people of the world have decided that they must have the latest phone no matter what, that's on the consumer.

I bought a Nexus One in April 2010 and I've not felt tempted to replace it before now because it runs Gingerbread and newer phones didn't seem to offer that much more.
However, the release of the Galaxy Note with the stylus for accurate screen pointing and screen large enough and with sufficient resolution to display entire Web page makes an upgrade now worthwhile to me. Zooming and panning a small phone screen across a Web page to find specific points of interest is a pain and I look forward to leaving that experience behind.

zerocool79346 said:
Because, short of Apple and their ability as a small company producing both hardware and software,there is not profit in that. Companies are out to make money, it is not their fault that the wealthy people of the world have decided that they must have the latest phone no matter what, that's on the consumer.
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^What he said

yujin_11 said:
Phone manufacturers are really going out of control. They produce phones with specs that are missing, then include them in their next offerings. but then they produce phones which are pretty much the same as the ones before except for 1 or 2 upgrades to increase sales.
They like to make their products 'diverse' but if you look on the bird's eye view of it. It becomes clear that they are just going for quantity without quality products.
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
Better buy a product which suits you for the next year or two
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Because if they play apple's game, they will lose horribly. Apple is apple, and apple is the standard whether you like it or not. When a average person compares a phone, what does he compare it to? The iPhone of course. So a manufacturer will not survive if they only release a oh so powerful phone every year or two, simply because they do not have nearly as much of a fan base apple has.

it's really awesome imo
always something to be excited about
I love waiting for a phone I've been wanting to drop in price, and while I wait, an even better phone gets released lmao

http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them

Kailkti said:
Because if they play apple's game, they will lose horribly. Apple is apple, and apple is the standard whether you like it or not. When a average person compares a phone, what does he compare it to? The iPhone of course. So a manufacturer will not survive if they only release a oh so powerful phone every year or two, simply because they do not have nearly as much of a fan base apple has.
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I think it is this statement that sums it all up. Very well said.

The hardware pissing contest grows tiresome.

Since when did the best phone come down to the best CPU. If I licensed winmo 2003 and put it on a quad-core phone with 2 gigs of ram would it run smoother than even android? Let alone WP7 or iOS. Our hardware tech is years ahead of what our phones are capable of software-wise. Most of our highest-grade games run on a 1 GHz processor without fail. So, why has the best phone come down to a **** measuring contest of unnecessary and oft unused power?

You're missing an important point: the energy comsumption.
The current dual-cores are consuming less than the old 1-cores and the 4-cores will consume even less energy (smaller size = less consumption), thus increasing battery life.
And I also do not agree on your definition of "phone". Until now our phones are "local minor PCs", but as soon as ICS is expanded and it has USB HOST and so, we should be able to connect a keyboard, mouse and screen to the device and just drop our entire pc-tower to the dust.
It's evolution.

It ensures that the software of tomorrow will work on the hardware of today. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp. Same thing with laptops. They used to be useless after a year, now they last much longer.
And I know you will probably say "but not all phones are getting ICS!" But the fact is, all of the high end phones will get it, even if it is supplied by a third party.

lowandbehold said:
It ensures that the software of tomorrow will work on the hardware of today. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp. Same thing with laptops. They used to be useless after a year, now they last much longer.
And I know you will probably say "but not all phones are getting ICS!" But the fact is, all of the high end phones will get it, even if it is supplied by a third party.
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Exactly. And the high end phones being the ones with these crazy processors. Because of that they will be ready for future software.
By the way, thanks for starting this flame session z33. Wonder how long it'll take to get the thread locked...
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Android isn't resource hungry in the sense that it needs ridiculous specs to run. Even ICS, given the source and such, should run on the old snapdragons and even the 800Mhz g2 processors before over-clocking, so still, it's not really necessary. As far as energy consumption goes, there's only one OS that eats batteries and that's due to the lack of optimization of code. I just don't believe hardware should be the defining factor when purchasing a phone unless its form factor or a feature.

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Android isn't resource hungry in the sense that it needs ridiculous specs to run. Even ICS, given the source and such, should run on the old snapdragons and even the 800Mhz g2 processors before over-clocking, so still, it's not really necessary. As far as energy consumption goes, there's only one OS that eats batteries and that's due to the lack of optimization of code. I just don't believe hardware should be the defining factor when purchasing a phone unless its form factor or a feature.
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But you don't know what might come out tomorrow, or next week, or next year. Better to be prepared than stuck buying another $500 phone.

The pissing contest is the same mindless garbage that we see in any other hobbyist group, whether it's PCs, cars, motorcycles or penis pumps. It's about some OCDer's ability to waste endless amounts of time tweaking to wring a few last numbers out on a synthetic benchmark that only fellow OCDers will give two sh*ts about. The answer is simple. Some people enjoy making technology better, others are just plain f*cking stupid. If they spent as much time picking up a book and learning to code, or do anything remotely useful at all... you know, doing something to contribute as they did stroking themselves about having a high score on a benchmark, we'd have more and better apps, they'd have money in their wallets, and we wouldn't have forums so full of nonsense.

lowandbehold said:
But you don't know what might come out tomorrow, or next week, or next year. Better to be prepared than stuck buying another $500 phone.
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This is the reason most software companies in the cellphone industry offer at least two years guaranteed support. It just happens to be the length of the contract. I was once a victim of the hardware pissing contest, I literally swapped phones sometimes 3 times a month just constantly upgrading.

z33dev33l said:
This is the reason most software companies in the cellphone industry offer at least two years guaranteed support. It just happens to be the length of the contract. I was once a victim of the hardware pissing contest, I literally swapped phones sometimes 3 times a month just constantly upgrading.
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I would rather not be guaranteed 2 year software support. All that means to me is a guarantee that my software has no chance of catching up to the hardware...for the sake of their "guarantee".

Most? Are you new here. Remember WinMo updates. WP has been out for a year, so you're making assumptions there. The only company that has supported their phones for two years is google with the Nexus phones and Apple since the older models reduce capacity and serve as their mid range offerings.
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Even the old iPhones have the two year support range.
Lowandbehold, software isn't catching up to hardware any time soon considering every mobile OS still runs fine on a 1 GHz processor

z33dev33l said:
Even the old iPhones have the two year support range.
Lowandbehold, software isn't catching up to hardware any time soon considering every mobile OS still runs fine on a 1 GHz processor
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So you claim to be a dev and a tech geek yet you are complaining about OEM's pushing the envelope? What kind of person wants technology to stop evolving?

slapshot30 said:
Exactly. And the high end phones being the ones with these crazy processors. Because of that they will be ready for future software.
By the way, thanks for starting this flame session z33. Wonder how long it'll take to get the thread locked...
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so in what? 4 years? When android can take advantage of dual core, you'll pull out the old gs2 that you've upgraded twice from and say, "wow, this phone can't run one specific game that my new octa-core phone does." For such a privilege you sacrifice OEM support as a whole. Yay, logic.

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So you claim to be a dev and a tech geek yet you are complaining about OEM's pushing the envelope? What kind of person wants technology to stop evolving?
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I simply don't see why the hardware is the biggest deal. We are a developer community and until software can keep up with hardware then there's simply no point. If everything runs flawlessly on a 1gig processor, why is that considered low-end.

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I simply don't see why the hardware is the biggest deal. We are a developer community and until software can keep up with hardware then there's simply no point. If everything runs flawlessly on a 1gig processor, why is that considered low-end.
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The only thing pointless is this thread. You really thing technology should come to a halt.

Not at all, I just think that software should be more important than hardware when choosing a phone

Because compared to the new phones it is. Not saying that those (low end) phones aren't fast (or fast enough) on wp7 or any other os but since the bar has been raised, their low end.
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z33dev33l said:
Not at all, I just think that software should be more important than hardware when choosing a phone
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And it is to some people and not to others. Stop trying to force feed your beliefs onto others. Well, actually android is the better software as well...for my needs.

mkropf said:
Because compared to the new phones it is. Not saying that those (low end) phones aren't fast (or fast enough) on wp7 or any other os but since the bar has been raised their low end.
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but this only works on android. Other OSes are smoother than android on three year old hardware. So, in cross-platform arguments it's annoying.

Does anyone else feel that battery tech hasn't even caught up with the new hardware?

Upgrade Advice - NO iPhone!

Hello guys, as of 24th of this month and until 24th feb im eligible for my upgrade on my contract. Im currently using a HD2, and im looking for advice on an upgrade. i have the highest contract so there is no phone as of yet i cant upgrade to. if i cant get it on my network ill just cancel and grab it somewhere else. a few points to point.
NO IPHONE i hate the thing its terrible.
NO ANDROID. not because i hate it but because im a windows fan boy. although i dual boot linux and run media centre via linux.
I loved the look and the feel of the hd7, BUT its dated and i want something that is keeping up with the times.
Basically windows phone 7, and Big screen, Gaming must be smooth like the hd7.large hdd. no idea if any phones do Hd movie playback well. i can run 720p via coreplayer on this hd2 so im guessing newer models can. i know its a large list, and pretty much a tight one ive seen the titan, but not sure if it beats the hd7. and tbh i want something to beat iphone.
whats due for release on t mobile uk up until 24th feb? what you brainiacs here think.

I'd go with the Titan
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If you want WP then I'd recommend the Nokia Lumia. I don't currently have a Nokia phone but I had them for years and really rate them. If I didn't want Android, that's what I'd have.

That nokia with apple old Nano style is very eye appealing.
I been using windows 7 on my HD2 and I'm really falling for it. A few reason so far is the smoothness and ease of access. The zune software works very well with my computer. Android google music is cool but limitation to music and excludes video, picture, and podcast. iTunes I just hate with passion!

If you are going WP& I would recommend either the Titan or the Lumia they are two different devices just see which fits you the best

Focus S.
Samsung appearance/construction may not be that great but Super AMOLED+ is easily the best in terms of WP7 displays (and given how all WP7 phones have pretty similar specs, display is probably the most important thing which makes it stand out).

Super Amoled (+ / HD) is my preferred screen but the Lumia has an AMOLED screen and seems like a much better device. The Focus S was my third choice

The lumia devices have a clear black display that completely enhances AMOLED to a whole new level. I own a lumia 800 and it's mindblowing. If Nokia releases the rumored 900 before lumia 900 by then, take it and run.

get a blackberry then, it's solid, it always works, and it also have Apps
good on battery life, and great resale value

I love my original Focus, mainly because of the size and the front ascetics.

AllGamer said:
get a blackberry then, it's solid, it always works, and it also have Apps
good on battery life, and great resale value
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10 minute boot time, application catalogue that you can scroll through in a matter of half an hour, no good games or decent apps, and halfway out the door as a company. Yeah, totally legitimate option.

z33dev33l said:
10 minute boot time, application catalogue that you can scroll through in a matter of half an hour, no good games or decent apps, and halfway out the door as a company. Yeah, totally legitimate option.
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And more of a market share than WP7!!

lowandbehold said:
And more of a market share than WP7!!
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That's on a constant decline!

z33dev33l said:
The lumia devices have a clear black display that completely enhances AMOLED to a whole new level. I own a lumia 800 and it's mindblowing. If Nokia releases the rumored 900 before lumia 900 by then, take it and run.
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Interesting. How is it in sunlight? (I know that isn't very important for most people, just wondering)

It takes a second longer to adjust than my focus s but once adjusted it's equally clear.

Opinion: Samsung’s Galaxy Note is the iPhone of the Android world

http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)

sohebq said:
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
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Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.

^^
Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)

sohebq said:
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Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
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Former S user using Note 3 and more then happy, next phone will be a Note series, S series no more thanks.

xclub_101 said:
Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.
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What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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dakunclear said:
What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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A lot of that is not a matter of "being faithful to the brand" but instead a combination of a very minor part of that plus:
- no alternative to S-Pen
- no alternative phablets with microSD + replaceable battery + enough mass to have both a decent accessory market and a decent ROM prospect in the future (if you think that Samsung is not great with the updates consider that most of the Chinese stuff never gets any update and are never supported by something like CM).
That being said - the Note line is not the main cash-cow, 3-5 million units is very little compared to 50 million units; it is far from zero so it is a pretty lucrative niche, but still not in the first line, and the way I see the evolution of things with Samsung I would expect that S5 mini might get a lot more attention from a certain segment of the market (but that depends a lot on the specs and even more so on the price).

It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.

Robster83 said:
It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.
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Very true. I do miss the size of the smaller phones though. But when it comes to reading and watching media, note is brilliant
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How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.

ShadowLea said:
How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
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IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:

htc9420 said:
IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:
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I hate Windows phone metro style
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ShadowLea said:
How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.
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I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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LiMz said:
I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)

ShadowLea said:
You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)
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iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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LiMz said:
iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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"Skate where the puck’s going, not where it’s been.”
- Wayne Gretzsky
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Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.

ShadowLea said:
Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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Speaker sound is "muffled" that's for sure, and the volume a bit low... Even my previous S3 sounded better, especially when applying the volume increase MOD (Ahhhh... miss the root features, :crying... I know it's too much to ask for apart from all the premium features, but another speaker on the top would have given the sound a great stereo, surround feel

ShadowLea said:
Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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LiMz said:
I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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Dual 4MP, not familiar with that system, but it's still a 1/3.0" sensor. The problem is they make smartphone CMOS from the rubbush left over from the plate they use to make the rest of the sensors. Middle bit of the plate is the best and goes in a Full-frame, next the APS-C, then the lower end DSLRs, then the high end compacts, then the low end compacts, and whatever is left over is used in smartphones.
So even with 100Map ,you'd still get the aquarel effect, blur, noise and colour issues. We're quintessentially dealing with rubbish.
Wait for a few of the serious picture tests, they might give a better indication.

imho the only android device that competes with an iPhone is the Google nexus series . Apple is a lot better than Samsung quality wise , also their warranty is a lot less a hassle , Sammy has lost its way and is actually writing its own version of the communist manifesto.

Despite KNOX and things like cheap plastic, I still like Samsung for many reasons. They will always create products that will fit users need and they will present it that way. For those who are not on note series considers it huge in size, not pocket friendly and so on. But those who have used it knows that this is true class of Samsung and this is to be kept. I have seen many S series users moving away from Samsung but hardly saw anyone from note series to move. This is Loyalty.