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Nesus S Specs Depressing...

So the specs were released for the Samsung Nexus S and I am very disappointed.
1GHz Cortex A8 (Hummingbird) processor
16GB iNAND flash memory
The AMOLED Screen should be nice, the only thing that is nice about this phone.
It is basically a Galaxy S with Gingerbread ROM. More internal memory.
It will be a nice phone, but I expected a dual core processor.
I hate non physical buttons as my N1 had lots of issues with them.
I honestly don't see myself upgrading to this phone...
No 4G, No Front Face Camera, and a Samsung built phone.
I will stick with my MyTouch4G and I think the rumors of developing for the G2/MT4G were gonna stop when the Nexus S was released were just that rumors. There will be development for it... but it will be to set up CM7 (Gingerbread) for older phones.

It has a front facing camera and has capabilities to run HSDPA

It does have the FFC, but no hsdpa+. I still think it fails. STILL NO LED NOTIFICATIONS EITHER!!

It does have a front facing camera. I was holding out on getting the MyTouch 4G for this phone. Now I'm still pretty torn on which I should get. This is really unsettling!

VDubLife said:
It has a front facing camera and has capabilities to run HSDPA
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Ya I was wrong about the FFC but still no HSPA+.... that sucks...

I am very disappointed in this phone, and in Gingerbread. I was expecting a lot of wow in both and I don't see it. I'm not saying it won't have major speed improvements, but I thought GB was supposed to be a UI gangster =D. Oh well there's always next year (HoneyComb).

The Nexus S is simply a US version of the Euro Galaxy S with stock Android on board, NFC chipset, downgraded Bluetooth connectivity, no 720p video capture and no removable storage (no SD card). Compared to the MT4G it has less RAM (mt4g = 768mb nexus = 512mb), no hspa+ capability. So in my opinion the only upside to the nexus S is stock Android w/ up to date OS upgrades from Google, and 16gb of on board storage.
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I really don't get why they fingered Samsung to build the Next Nexus device. Maybe because they build phones like Apple.... With trendy advertisement and the illusion of awe. Lol. Only Apple can sell millions of people a 10 in pad that does nothing more than the average smart phone out there..
Avatar helped, didn't it? HTC makes great devices and they opt for "Quietly Brilliant".

sicdroid said:
I really don't get why they fingered Samsung to build the Next Nexus device. Maybe because they build phones like Apple.... With trendy advertisement and the illusion of awe. Lol. Only Apple can sell millions of people a 10 in pad that does nothing more than the average smart phone out there..
Avatar helped, didn't it? HTC makes great devices and they opt for "Quietly Brilliant".
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I think they went with samsung cuz of the near field chip. Google is said to be pretty excited about it.

itmustbejj said:
I think they went with samsung cuz of the near field chip. Google is said to be pretty excited about it.
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Yeah, NFC is a nice piece of tech and an advancement for sure... I wish them luck, but I know there is going to be a lot of pissed developers, modders, and just plain device users not having an SD Card. The whole point of Android and Googles revolution is the open freedom. What is next???? A Unremovable battery?

sicdroid said:
I really don't get why they fingered Samsung to build the Next Nexus device. Maybe because they build phones like Apple.... With trendy advertisement and the illusion of awe. Lol. Only Apple can sell millions of people a 10 in pad that does nothing more than the average smart phone out there..
Avatar helped, didn't it? HTC makes great devices and they opt for "Quietly Brilliant".
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Most big business transactions are done via a sealed bid process. It's quite possible that Samsung had the lowest bid and won the contract.

kgbkny said:
Most big business transactions are done via a sealed bid process. It's quite possible that Samsung had the lowest bid and won the contract.
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No doubt money was the motivation, which does surprise me. Google is not afraid to spend money. You would think as open as google is with their VERY FAT wallet, they would have not chosen the cheaply made plastic device as opposed to the metal and durable devices for their very own Nexus Series. I guess I just dream of the solid build of metal and glass we ask love on our MT4G, with a 4.3 screen, and no physical buttons.
I understand their reasons for the choice, I just don't understand the reasons of their choices. Lol.

sicdroid said:
No doubt money was the motivation, which does surprise me. Google is not afraid to spend money. You would think as open as google is with their VERY FAT wallet, they would have not chosen the cheaply made plastic device as opposed to the metal and durable devices for their very own Nexus Series. I guess I just dream of the solid build of metal and glass we ask love on our MT4G, with a 4.3 screen, and no physical buttons.
I understand their reasons for the choice, I just don't understand the reasons of their choices. Lol.
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It's quite possible that Samsung used the success of the Galaxy S series to seal the deal with Google. We all know about the serious issues with Galaxy S phones. However, they sold millions of units worldwide and have established brand recognition. I'm certain that Google took that into consideration when awarding Samsung the Nexus contract.
Moreover, it appears that Samsung used a different GPS antenna in the Nexus S than in the Galaxy S, and got rid of the RFS system. It's quite possible that Google had a lot of say in it. In fact, the replacement of the GPS antenna clearly suggests that the faulty GPS in the Galaxy S phones is a hardware defect.

kgbkny said:
It's quite possible that Samsung used the success of the Galaxy S series to seal the deal with Google. We all know about the serious issues with Galaxy S phones. However, they sold millions of units worldwide and have established brand recognition. I'm certain that Google took that into consideration when awarding Samsung the Nexus contract.
Moreover, it appears that Samsung used a different GPS antenna in the Nexus S than in the Galaxy S, and got rid of the RFS system. It's quite possible that Google had a lot of say in it. In fact, the replacement of the GPS antenna clearly suggests that the faulty GPS in the Galaxy S phones is a hardware defect.
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Samsung has established brand recognition within the android community...and it is not good. Specifically within the developer crowd, so it seems counterproductive to make a developer phone from a company that most developers have sworn to stay away from.

I think I made a right decision getting MT4 after I heard NS won't have memory card support and AMOLED.

Not Having a SD will make it difficult to MOD/Hack
I'm sorry but I love Google I've had every developer phone hated to sell my nexus one but the Nexus S is not spiking my interest at all. It is lacking toooooo much. Plus the MT4G has been upgrading pretty quickly it's already rooted and I know CM won't let us down on Gingerbread GO ANDROID

itmustbejj said:
Samsung has established brand recognition within the android community...and it is not good. Specifically within the developer crowd, so it seems counterproductive to make a developer phone from a company that most developers have sworn to stay away from.
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Agreed. Chalk me up as a member of the Android community who will not be buying any more Samsung phones. However, money definitely talks, and I'm sure that factor definitely came into play.

Samsung is a powerful consumer name so there's "cred" there. Also, Google may well not have wanted to put too many eggs in the HTC basket. You get a LOT better support from your vendors if they know they are not single source. So it may have had a lot less to do with unit cost and a lot more to do with reminding HTC they are not the only game in town (my opinions differ but I have to use the device, not write contracts with the vendor).
Overall the Nexus S is better than I would have expected from Samsung. Their "cred" comes with a lot of "consumer grade" baggage; I generally avoid their products. It is probably unfair at this point to call Samsung "cheap junk", but no one is going to accuse them of building high end equipment either.
Comparison wise: I waited about 7 months for project emerald, driving everyone around me only somewhat more crazy than normal in the process. I got the Glacier on the release date and cannot say a single bad thing about it. It is a worthy example of the ultra-high quality I expect from HTC.

I bought a behold the day it came out and dealt with its problems. I had a stock vibrant for 4 days when it started with its problems. I will never buy samsung again. Can't believe google allowed a company known for defects to produce their next flagship. Ill stick to my mt4g till something that actually beats it comes out.
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The Nexus S is very ugly, average specs, Samsung made and I'm not happy. I will keep my Nexus One, never sell it and guess I'll keep the MyTouch 4G.
PS - No SD card, no HSPA+, I can not believe no sd card. I always rave about the Nexus One to anyone who will listen, because of that I wanted the Nexus S real bad but I am a real nut when it comes to cell phones. I will probably figure some way of buying that damn thing anyways.

[Q] Nexus one versus Nexus S

Do you really think the Nexus S will make half the splash in the phone world that the Nexus One did? I am no longer an android fanboy as I feel android has passed it's prime but I do want to pose this question. I mean the Nexus S seems good on paper but really all it is is another galaxy S device with a front facing camera. The processor is still the same which will likely lead to the same buffer issues that caused lag on the other devices (though some blamed this on touchwiz) and it still feels very cheap and plasticky. I think the majority like at least a little heft with their phones, not a paperweight but enough so you know that if you drop it it wont break like an egg. I wanted to find out the opinion of the XDA community

z33dev33l said:
Do you really think the Nexus S will make half the splash in the phone world that the Nexus One did? I am no longer an android fanboy as I feel android has passed it's prime but I do want to pose this question. I mean the Nexus S seems good on paper but really all it is is another galaxy S device with a front facing camera. The processor is still the same which will likely lead to the same buffer issues that caused lag on the other devices (though some blamed this on touchwiz) and it still feels very cheap and plasticky. I think the majority like at least a little heft with their phones, not a paperweight but enough so you know that if you drop it it wont break like an egg. I wanted to find out the opinion of the XDA community
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I'm thinking quite of the opposite: I think the Nexus S will have a bigger impact on the phone world, since you're able to buy it from real stores and more places than just online without a contract. Most people who buy cellphones don't want to put down the whole $$$ right then.
And what I'd be curious of: Have you held one in your hand and tested it on beeing "cheap and plasticky"? I have a Galaxy S and I'm pretty happy with it, I don't need any type of metal to ruin my reception.

Unfortunately it is a little "plasticy." I'm afraid to set my Nexus down on any surface that might possibly scratch plastic, and when it's hot my hand gets VERY sweaty on the plastic backing. It's also an ungodly fingerprint magnet. One of the prime reasons I'm switching to a G2. Why have a "super sexy" phone if it's only "super sexy" after I scrub it with a microfiber cloth and set it on my desk without touching it?

* no led notification
* no expandable memory
* made by Samsung
These are big disappointments for me. I don't want an " i " like device so stupid how Samsung is trying to model after it. Wish HTC made the successor to the nexus, at least updates with them are reasonable.

magicriggs said:
* no led notification
* no expandable memory
* made by Samsung
These are big disappointments for me. I don't want an " i " like device so stupid how Samsung is trying to model after it. Wish HTC made the successor to the nexus, at least updates with them are reasonable.
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To be fair, the updates with the Nexus S are handled by Google and therefore basically instant.

magicriggs said:
* no led notification
* no expandable memory
* made by Samsung
These are big disappointments for me. I don't want an " i " like device so stupid how Samsung is trying to model after it. Wish HTC made the successor to the nexus, at least updates with them are reasonable.
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TheBiles said:
Unfortunately it is a little "plasticy." I'm afraid to set my Nexus down on any surface that might possibly scratch plastic, and when it's hot my hand gets VERY sweaty on the plastic backing. It's also an ungodly fingerprint magnet. One of the prime reasons I'm switching to a G2. Why have a "super sexy" phone if it's only "super sexy" after I scrub it with a microfiber cloth and set it on my desk without touching it?
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You actually said quite everything I was thinking about this phone. I had one for 30mins and I actually prefer my x10 to it since I'm waiting for a phone that is REALLY better to change.

TheBiles said:
To be fair, the updates with the Nexus S are handled by Google and therefore basically instant.
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Really didn't know that my experience with Samsung was based off the fascinate and Samsung support was lack there of. But it makes sense it's a Google phone so it will get the updates quicker..duh. lol wasn't thinking.

I think the Nexus S will make a very little splash compared with the Nexus One. When the N1 came out it featured hardware many had never seen before (One of the first phones with a 1ghz processor, I believe the only one that came before it was the HD2 in Europe). The Nexus S is laughable by comparison and I will tell you why.
-It has the nearly same specs as Galaxy S devices
It it bad enough that this phone did not live up to expectations by using the same hardware that existing phones already have, it makes the situtation worst when every major U.S. carrier ALREADY has a variant of nearly the same hardware.
-No Micro SD card slot
I feel this will be the future but there is a small problem with this. The Galaxy S line has 16gb of onboard storage AND a Micro SD slot, why take something away?
-No Notification Light
On my phone when I recieve and SMS or E-Mail my notification light starts blinking to let me know I have something to check. On this device (as well as SGS variants) you have no Notification Light so you must hit the power button just to check to see if you have a notification.
-It only uses T-Mobile's 3g band (in the US)
With Google's advertising campaign they are obviously taking a page out of Apple's playbook (If you have seen the commercial you know what I am talking about). The Nexus One was available on At&t so it provided users an alternative to getting an iPhone to get the best hardware and software Android has to offer (at the time of the initial launch anyway). If the first Nexus device had At&t 3g bands then surely Google would want to compete with Apple again right, wrong! Why take an Apple-esque approach to an Ad campaign and not compete on the same carrier?
-No HSPA+
We have already addressed this only has 3g on T-Mobile. T-Mobile has been rolling out HSPA+ pretty aggressively as of late to try to compete with WiMax and the soon to be LTE devices. You would think Google's premier device would be rocking the new 4g data speeds but surprising it isn't. The G2 and MyTouch 4G take advantage of HSPA+ but the supposed "Pure Google" device doesn't, horrible.
The selling points of the Nexus S aren't very strong to the average consumer. NFC is nearly useless right now outside of scanning Google provided material. "Pure Google" is probably the worst niche of all. The majority of consumers that buy Android devices do not know the advantages of Pure Google or know the difference betweens Eclair, Froyo, and Gingerbread. To make matters worst the consumers who do know the advantages of a "Pure Google" experience stray away from the Nexus S because they realize the hardware isn't much better than their existing devices. At&t, Sprint, and Verizon customers aren't going to switch because they have a similar device without switching carriers and T-Mobile customers will get the more mainstream, HSPA+ touting MyTouch 4g. I think the Nexus One should have been the device sold in stores and the Nexus S should have been the device sold online only.
Rant, Fin.

Now I really don't understand Mobile Phone Makers don't they just make a best phone

Now I'm not a mobile phone maker, but i do consider my self an active proponent of the Android Community. But there is one question that bothers me why don't phone manufacturers make a beast above all phone.
Now there are quite a few big players when it comes to Android phone manufacturers such as HTC, Samsung, Motorola, and LG those are the companies that i consider to be the TOP dogs (whether you choose to agree or not). Ok each company is known for certain things
HTC: Originally the most innovative of the bunch now in my opinion LG is becoming the most innovative, HTC builds excellent phone case-wise i personally prefer to have a heavier/thicker metal/plastic hybrid versus a plastic cheap a*s case that Samsung loves to use, HTC adopted the android OS first with the G1, you may not have noticed it but, HTC has rolled out the first LTE phone for all of the USA's major cell companies so far Sprint-EvO 4G, T-Mobile-G2 and MyTouch 4G, Verizon-Thunderbolt, and At&T-Inspire 4G, last time i checked there isn't any other manufacturer that can claim that they did that, HTC released the first pure 100% google experience with the Nexus One, and even if you didn't release it that phone was and still is a beast of a phone it is based off of the HTC Desire but it sported a great AMOLED screen, 1 GHz Qualcomm QSD 8250 Snapdragon ARM(which was the bomb). The great majority of HTC's phones have came pre-installed with the newest Firmware rather it be 2.1 or 2.2(they havent released a phone with 2.3 yet but non of the manufactures have yet right?(excluding the Nexus S). HTC although they utilize their own skin on top of Android OS called Sense UI and although i have never purchased a HTC phone i've always wanted one for this single reason it is by far the best manufactures skin when compared with MOTOBLUR, TouchWIz, and idk what LG's is called i do believe its LG Star ui but im not sure. And the biggest problem with Android is phones getting supported and HTC in my opinion upgrades the greater majority of its phones @ least once and usually in a timely manner thats something that Samsung cant say and Mototola definitely cant say now for LG they just recently stepped into the ball game so only time will tell.
Samsung- Just stepped into the real ball game with their Galaxy S devices now their devices are great hardware wise with their super ultra sexy Super Amoled screens and soon to have Super Amoled plus screens they sport those lovely Hummingbird Proccesors, but they had a huge dowfall they were released with the already old 2.1 Eclair update when the 2.1 froyo had already been out for sometime which imo is stupid and lazy they also put on top of their phones the most disgusting and horrendous skin their Touch Wiz which is horrible but meh i guess the product sells. There biggest downfall is not supporting phones such as their failed Behold 2 which didn't see a upgrade over 1.6. Their Galaxy S devices just recently began to receive updates to the Vibrant and the Evo 4G began to get its 2.2 but i guess it was recalled, Fascinate no update still on 2.1, Captivate i believe it has received its update but non the less thats ridiculous to wait so long for an update that should have been there already. Their phones are great but software not so great very simple.
LG-Very little is known about LG besides they have quite a few of great high ed phones coming very soon and their midrange Optimus One line is very impressive as a mid range phone at least.
Motorola(lol i accidently forgot them)- Moto well what to say they stepped into the Android game with the release of the Moto Cliq which was by far one of the worst phones ever imo how do u release a phone for $200 and then a month later release a phone with way superior specs the original Moto Droid for the same price if not cheaper some places and then call the 2 phones equals thats insanity the Moto CLiq was released with 1.5 which was donut i believe then was upgraded to 1.6 cupcake were it stayed at forever it was completely tied down with Motoblur if you hate motoblur now hows it is on the DRoid X it ws completely worst on the cliq and the worst part was the locked bootloader so very few roms existed for the Cliq and even the roms couldnt remove the Blur their was one exception the Eclair2CLiq rom which was great but stopped getting support so it was never finished anyways. Motorola has always been about the money im positive that it has a contract with Verizon because verizon has always gotten their high end sh*t Droid Droid2 Droid X and now the Xoom while the other companies have gotten the worst phones possible T-mobile: Defy, Cliq, Cliq XT, Cliq 2, and that one phone thats just a rectangle looking blackberry thing, and 1 more cant think of name either. At&T: had the crappy blackflip then they got the cool a*s Atrix. So Moto is always a hit or miss in my eyes i will never buy from moto because they tie their phones down wayyy 2 much if its not on Verizon and now At&T. Sprint doesnt even have a Moto phone thats android. Moto also has the dreaded bootloader locks which makes the already crappy phone even crappier and if its a good phone it makes it so you cant root or even if you can root it wont be a full root experience like Overclocking and CM7 etc.
So for now IMO HTC owns all by a football field to be honest
Now to my main question why doesn't a company say hey we can make a great phone that has all the features people wont and it will be great and sell well and everything we can put it on all carriers like the Galaxy S devices and the Optimus V/M/S/T/C/and anymore i forgot.
I personally would like to find in my found @ minimum 16 GB of internal memory(like the Samsung Vibrant/Nexus S), A kickstand (just like the HTC Thunderbolt and Evo 4G), A HDMI out connector, 720p recording capabilites, a 8mp camera @ bare minimum, 4G radios depending on the Carrier, a decent stock battery ie 1800 MaH or even 2000 MaH something decent, a lovely screen size better yet make 2 different choices for screens 4" and 4.3" thats the best 2 sizes imo, you can make a slider version for those slider people, come with a dual core proccesor of some sort rather it be Tegra, Hummingbird, Qualcomm, TI, or whatever else is out their, Come pre-installed with @ least 16gb SD CARD, come preloaded with the newest most recent Android update even if you use your skin ie Sense @ least make a separate partion on the phone that the User can flash or make an App similar to Rom Manager yet make it wayyyyy easier to utilize but make it so you can run a completely stock version of Android, come with a decent loud speaker not these tiny lite baby ones like the Galazy S and Nexus S devices im talking about ones like the Thunderbolt or LG's optimus devices(they have great speakers), come with NFC just for the hell of it, strong vibrate, stop using these crappy screens WVGA etc only use SAMOLED/PLUS or since samsung doesn't have enough for their own product even you can use the next best thing avaialbe which is qHD or that Super Clear LCD/PLUS, these are really not that big of demands to find in a phone they're actual very simple please take a look into it and tell me if this is to hard to find in a phone?

Price and affordability and compactness. For a device to feature all that, it'd be ridiculously expensive, probably >€1000 sim free. Also, to fit all that in a phone, you'd have to carry an absolute brick in your pocket. Unfeasable as of yet.

There's no point in making a single, killer handset because you that would mean you'd stop innovating and that leads to stagnation.
Nokia effectively had the killer phone for years - 90% of people I knew would have a variant of the basic Nokia handset (they varied in size but the features were the same) - and look what happened there...
You have to remember that people have a wide variety of needs too -not everyone wants a $400 'does everything' handset - there's still people who don't even text!!

I could've sworn sprint had a low end motorola i1 android phone?

Timing and market drive some development but alot of development is a function of when to release to maximize profit. Then, you start providing horizontal integration that is: to provide X then add X+1 then X+2 etc. That way they can sell you the phone at a discount once you are hooked then they sell you all the update @ retail....... ergo more profit. Sucks, but that the American way !

It's not a feasible business model to put out one killer phone and forget about it.

At the moment the scale goes from Dumbphone, few features but great battery life -> Smartphone, feature filled, crappy battery life.
Build a phone with every possible feature and you'd need to carry a generator around with you.

@ OP
lol, dude you are very naive.

Eh, I may dislike android but some of your info is a bit off. For instance the Cliq actually did see a 2.1 update which goes to show they may not be the absolute worst when it comes to updating devices. Samsung takes that cake in my opinion. The Cliq also wasn't too much lesser than the droid, the droid was just in a much fancier casing. Manufacturers would not make a perfect phone because then they would have a pinnacle issue. People would only be going for that phone and all other phones would be ignored including the OEM's other endeavors. Not to mention there is no device that would fit everyone. Your device may sound perfect to you but to me it holds all the issues that leave android lacking in my opinion so they release multiple devices to appease the masses.

rawr4dj said:
So for now IMO HTC owns all by a football field to be honest
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I have felt this way too, especially validated by fact that I have bought 5 in a row HTC smartphones ---
(1) way way back: WindowsMobile > T-Mobile MDA
(2) way back: WindowsMobile > T-Mobile Wing
(3) 2 years back: Android: HTC Hero (actually bought 2 of them, liked it so much)
(4) 1 year ago: Android: HTC Desire (worked flawlessly til about 3 months ago where a problematic USB port surfaced - later found out thru web searches that its sister model, the Sprint Evo, had this problem like CRAZY, and tons of returns and warranty replacements -- however, HTC in my case is NOT HONORING THE WARRANTY)
(5) 3 months ago: Android: myTouch 4G (HTC Glacier) --- this is a kickass phone that I still believe is very underrated because of its branding with T-Mobile) but has more internal memory to hold more apps than even nexus s
However ....
HTC America is really screwing up the BRAND REPUTATION of HTC overall. They are not only completely disorganized, but if anyone has ever called their tech suppoort, they are generally clueless, reading off of LCD screens worse that AT&T phone support -- and that's saying a lot, you can't get any worse than AT&T level 1 Support, they define "HORRIBLE CLUELESS SCRIPT-READING CUSTOMER SERVICE". But that is nothing compared to trying to get WARRANTY REPAIR WORK done by HTC AMERICA. My phone is under 1 year old, with a 2 year warranty for defective parts & labor, and yet HTC AMERICA says I am out of warranty and to fix this defective USB port --- again -- just google MICRO USB PORT HTC DESIRE ... or EVO and you can't miss it... and HTC America says they are happy to repair it for $ 317.43 .
So, I tell you what, this is having a serious impact on my next purchase. I don't have time for this bull****. And they could give a rat's ass about my customer loyalty. I've been buying HTC phones longer than the majority of their goons have even been employed there. You ask someone "Oh, how long have you been with HTC?" And you're lucky if you get "2 years".... Me -- more like 7 years. I don;t expect first line phone support to have such tenure. But when they are complete idiots...
(SEE MY THREAD FOR ACTUAL DIALOGUE AND you'll understand my statement)
... I'm sorry but this goes to overall management of a global corporation. And in this hyper-competitive space, if they don't clean up their act, they may not survive. That's not an overstatement. I thought that, with this site having formed around the HTC "XDA" all these years ago, and HTC having been ahead of the curve all these years, and they kept Windows Mobile alive by innovations like TouchFlo etc which compensated for WinMo's 6pt type size and stylus UI after the iPhone debuted, that they were probably the #1 smartphone device maker. I just assumed that.
Someone can pull the stats, but no, I was shocked to find out at the end of 2010, the pivotal year where Android just exploded -- starting with Oct 2009's Moto DROID launch, then Jan's NEXUS 1 launch -- then phone after phone in 2010, and so many HTC models, that HTC's marketshare as device maker was TINY -- fractional ... It shocked me.
So, I'm just saying... They launched their multi-million dollar "YOU" BRANDING CAMPAIGN last year I'm sure to help propel the name HTC into the brains of people who had used HTC products for many years, but many times they were co-branded by carrier names for those phones, and most average consumers weren't even aware the name HTC .... and yet their share is so small. Well, if they treat EXISTING LONG-TIME CUSTOMERS this way, they will erode their existing base. And why would I have any further brand loyalty?
Samsung is making great stuff, so is Motorola. The next device i get will be a tablet. After that, I will NOT be upgrading and buying new phones every year or 2... They will have reached a point of diminishing returns.
So, HTC better clean up their act in America or it's 再见 new phone.

you are right but that phone was for boost mobile

You seem to be quite rich
why dont you buy me a high end phone i really really need one . but i cant afford damnit!

Technology evolves
I think one you call beast today will not be a beast tomorrow.
Again phone manufacturer has to keep price in mind.

HTC is not even close to owning the whole football field.
Besides an unlocked bootloader which is changing now they are nothing special.
Every phone looks the same with minimal difference in specs.
All these companies cater to a wide range of people so thus why no one super mega phone.

Best is relative to time. What may be the best today may not be the the best tomorrow.

The best phone is already the G2

Kailkti said:
Best is relative to time. What may be the best today may not be the the best tomorrow.
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The best today is definitely NOT the best tomorrow. Nothing will ever be the best.
Not to mention that the OP's 'best phone' doesn't equal to another person's 'best'.

Agreed, a 1ghz processor will be laughed at in the next 2 years or so.
Whaddup dual core?
and it's only gonna get better

they already made a phone with quad core and 5 inch screen lol o hate to big screens though.
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Post is a year old mate.

[Q] Don't you wish Microsoft made a "Nexus" Windows Phone?

Hello, current iPhone and Windows 7 PC user here. I have an extreme dislike for iTunes, but I love my iPhone.
However, I like the direction Windows Phone is going, and if iOS isn't redesigned next year or the hardware is yet another glass phone, I'm going to think about getting Window Phone 8 when it ships. I don't like where Google is going with Android and I don't like Google services except for Gmail so I won't bother with their handsets, which feel cheap, plasticky and have that ever present lag with the Android OS.
One thing I have a problem with however. I wish Microsoft would make a "flagship" phone that uses high end materials to make a truly stunning, all-in-one, monster device that is hard to break.
Why haven't they done this yet?

half of the point of wp7 is that you get quality with every handset..
They don't want to release a bunch of subpar with one sole signature handset.
That would be my take on it

The gimmick of the google nexus phones is for the "google experience" no skins no oem customizations and standardized hardware.
This is already true for ALL windows phones so Microsoft really do not need a nexus s. However I'll say the Nokia Lumia Windows Phone's Nexus...

scoobysnacks said:
half of the point of wp7 is that you get quality with every handset..
They don't want to release a bunch of subpar with one sole signature handset.
That would be my take on it
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That doesn't make much sense. If every handset is quality, it shouldn't be so easily shown up by a Microsoft handset.
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The gimmick of the google nexus phones is for the "google experience" no skins no oem customizations and standardized hardware.
This is already true for ALL windows phones so Microsoft really do not need a nexus s. However I'll say the Nokia Lumia Windows Phone's Nexus...
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This is true but I'm speaking more on a hardware standpoint. It would be nice to have a Microsoft unibody handset that isn't 3.7 inches.

I dont think you get my point..
With google there are a load of budget handsets, so a lot of the point of the nexus is to have a really quality device that stands out. Specs that will last, a dev phone basically.
With wp7 the specs are standardized, the phones may differ slightly but all in all quality travels through the entire line.
That's just my take

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One thing I have a problem with however. I wish Microsoft would make a "flagship" phone that uses high end materials to make a truly stunning, all-in-one, monster device that is hard to break.
Why haven't they done this yet?
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I think Nokia will be the one carrying the torch. Honestly, I'm hoping for a REAL flagship phone come Windows Phone 8, Nokia build with flagship-Android-like specs. *fingers crossed*

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Hello, current iPhone and Windows 7 PC user here. I have an extreme dislike for iTunes, but I love my iPhone.
However, I like the direction Windows Phone is going, and if iOS isn't redesigned next year or the hardware is yet another glass phone, I'm going to think about getting Window Phone 8 when it ships. I don't like where Google is going with Android and I don't like Google services except for Gmail so I won't bother with their handsets, which feel cheap, plasticky and have that ever present lag with the Android OS.
One thing I have a problem with however. I wish Microsoft would make a "flagship" phone that uses high end materials to make a truly stunning, all-in-one, monster device that is hard to break.
Why haven't they done this yet?
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So the wp7 devices are built better than the android devices of last year, with the exact same hardware ?
All the google devices are plasticy ?
I don't think you're using many handsets, and also belive you don't understand ms doesn't need a flagship, its selling for bottom to mid range price points, and soon will be going for even lower priced sets. Look at all the handsets from nokia they hope to replace.. very cheap devices indeedy.

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So the wp7 devices are built better than the android devices of last year, with the exact same hardware ?
All the google devices are plasticy ?
I don't think you're using many handsets, and also belive you don't understand ms doesn't need a flagship, its selling for bottom to mid range price points, and soon will be going for even lower priced sets. Look at all the handsets from nokia they hope to replace.. very cheap devices indeedy.
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there are a huge number of low end android models, I dont think even the biggest fanboy could deny that...
Unlike android, wp7 doesn't need huge specs to run well.
My quantum with a first gen snapdragon runs better than my HTC with a second gen 1ghz snapdragon did.

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I don't think you're using many handsets, and also belive you don't understand ms doesn't need a flagship, its selling for bottom to mid range price points, and soon will be going for even lower priced sets. Look at all the handsets from nokia they hope to replace.. very cheap devices indeedy.
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Too be fair, representatives of Nokia have already confirmed higher end devices than what we're seeing now as well.

To me it's Nokia's phones.

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Too be fair, representatives of Nokia have already confirmed higher end devices than what we're seeing now as well.
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I agree, but given todays hardware, if nokia released a dual core 8mp phone with a 32gb sdcard, it would still only be average compared to todays market.
Think how cool it would be to have a razr that instead of being so thin had a battery covering its entire back, say 3000mah, good for 4 days... just saying.
Middle of the road hardware isn't going to move people from android or iphone. I'm thinking the idea for low end devices may just be right to win basement buying new users. Maybe.

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I dont think you get my point..
With google there are a load of budget handsets, so a lot of the point of the nexus is to have a really quality device that stands out. Specs that will last, a dev phone basically.
With wp7 the specs are standardized, the phones may differ slightly but all in all quality travels through the entire line.
That's just my take
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I think what Microsoft needs more than anything right now is a fantastic high quality phone. Many people are turned off by WP7 because the phones don't have the build quality of an iPhone. If Microsoft were to make a dev phone that could stand the test of time and look amazing, people would finally let go of their shiny iOS device.
The second issue is app availability. If Microsoft did a "Nexus" program where developers were given the phone for free in a grand display of support and it were sold to consumers on every carrier, there would be a lot more apps out there for it.
What I'm trying to say here is: Microsoft's weakness is that it doesn't have a "unifying" device like iOS and Google has. Once they do that too, they'll have a chance at a real 3 horse race.

Agree, it's going to be Nokia that drives WP forward.
Nokia need WP to succeed or they are out of business.

Nokia will be the leader for WP7. Microsoft needs to drop a flagship device. People look at specs now they want the most powerful phone with all the bells and whistles. Im personally waiting on the flagship Nokia WP7.5 device

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Nokia will be the leader for WP7. Microsoft needs to drop a flagship device. People look at specs now they want the most powerful phone with all the bells and whistles. Im personally waiting on the flagship Nokia WP7.5 device
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We're going to need to wait for Windows Phone 8 to have anything competitively spec'd, unfortunately.

MrGaius said:
Hello, current iPhone and Windows 7 PC user here. I have an extreme dislike for iTunes, but I love my iPhone.
However, I like the direction Windows Phone is going, and if iOS isn't redesigned next year or the hardware is yet another glass phone, I'm going to think about getting Window Phone 8 when it ships. I don't like where Google is going with Android and I don't like Google services except for Gmail so I won't bother with their handsets, which feel cheap, plasticky and have that ever present lag with the Android OS.
One thing I have a problem with however. I wish Microsoft would make a "flagship" phone that uses high end materials to make a truly stunning, all-in-one, monster device that is hard to break.
Why haven't they done this yet?
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Tried the HTC Titan with Mango on it yet?
If you did, you would forget Nexus. Nexus will need to amend things for 12 more months to be even closer to HTC Titan, forget being as good!

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The second issue is app availability. If Microsoft did a "Nexus" program where developers were given the phone for free in a grand display of support and it were sold to consumers on every carrier, there would be a lot more apps out there for it.
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You should read up on how much microsoft and nokia have done for developers

drupad2drupad said:
Tried the HTC Titan with Mango on it yet?
If you did, you would forget Nexus. Nexus will need to amend things for 12 more months to be even closer to HTC Titan, forget being as good!
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Are you refering o the hardware, or the software ?

937dytboi said:
Nokia will be the leader for WP7. Microsoft needs to drop a flagship device. People look at specs now they want the most powerful phone with all the bells and whistles. Im personally waiting on the flagship Nokia WP7.5 device
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http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-lumia-900-hit-us-early-2012

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We're going to need to wait for Windows Phone 8 to have anything competitively spec'd, unfortunately.
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Yeah. Apollo is where the tide is going to turn. Might be a year too late though.

Will Motorola X on Google I\O hang S4 sales?

Let's make some predictions:
- End April\May is when stores begin to receive first-S4's
- Past 15 days, on 15May is google I\0 where it is expected be presented the Motorola X
In July is expected to begin sells of Motorola X
Assuming that some main specifications expected to be realized on Motorola X:
- Snapdragon 800 2.3GHz
- 4000mah Battery
- Display Shapphire Glass 3
- Carbon Materials
My point is, for consumers who are confused whether they should buy the S4\S600 or S4\Exynos, knowing S4's that only be for sale at the same time the expected presentation of Motorola X, culd be in doubt to what extent Motorola X will not give up their tendencies to S4.
Then we still have to rely on consumers who will wait another 1-2 months for the current S4 price calm down a bit.
As I said earlier, Samsung made ​​a serious mistake in launching two S4 variants totally different, and with aggravating circumstance of not be clear whether the question if will have a variant with LTE Exynos or not.
So if the Motorola X is indeed presented at Google I\0 and have specs which are expected might slightly spoil the S4 sales.
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If it comes without sd card slot and fixed battery - > NO CONTEST!
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harise100 said:
If it comes without sd card slot and fixed battery - > NO CONTEST!
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If it comes with 4000mAh can consider that are equal, will do well for a full day of heavy use ..... Although it is also important to know if future replacement is easy.
SD slot for me is not so important if comes at least with 32GB.
The most important is S800, which is expected spend much less battery.

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If it comes without sd card slot and fixed battery - > NO CONTEST!
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A few months ago I would have said the same then I got my n4 as a spare phone, temporarily my main, and realised that for me it wasn't necessary, that's not to diss your view in anyway just carrying on the conversation.
To the question I hope so, it'll be good for Android and the consumer plus Samsung should pay a price for this release.

Honestly only people who frequent sites and forums like this care about anything you just mentioned. I'd be surprised if 10% of Galaxy S4 buyers even knew whether their phone has a Snapdragon or Exynos processor, and appreciated the difference. The S4 is going to have a monster advertising campaign behind it, and it's going to break sales records, certainly for an Android phone and possibly for smartphones period. If Google wants its X Phone to do well it's going to need a similarly strong marketing effort, and features that can grab the attention of a mainstream consumer (air gestures! eye scrolling!). Simply sticking some upgraded hardware specs in it is not going to do the trick in today's smartphone market.

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The extra battery is necessary because I tend to forget charging my phone. Fortunately there is a full battery in the charger on my desk
I like to have my personal data on a physically separate partition, so I can carelessly do a wipe every now and then.
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It could, but it really depends. Being competitive on the technical front is only the first part. Though there will probably be fairly comparably specced phones out later this year and maybe even as early as summer (maybe).
Marketing the sucker is the second. Samsung has done a good job in making Galaxy the go to name for android phones... even surpassing Droid marketing imo. The amount of Galaxy related ads I see is several times that of what I see from the Nexus line.

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Honestly only people who frequent sites and forums like this care about anything you just mentioned. I'd be surprised if 10% of Galaxy S4 buyers even knew whether their phone has a Snapdragon or Exynos processor, and appreciated the difference. The S4 is going to have a monster advertising campaign behind it, and it's going to break sales records, certainly for an Android phone and possibly for smartphones period. If Google wants its X Phone to do well it's going to need a similarly strong marketing effort, and features that can grab the attention of a mainstream consumer (air gestures! eye scrolling!). Simply sticking some upgraded hardware specs in it is not going to do the trick in today's smartphone market.
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Yes to ordinary consumer will not make any difference, i was referring more to people like us who always want the best.
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The extra battery is necessary because I tend to forget charging my phone. Fortunately there is a full battery in the charger on my desk
I like to have my personal data on a physically separate partition, so I can carelessly do a wipe every now and then.
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Yes, it is precisely the fact that the S4 have removable battery that is on my options.
But we must also agree if Motorola X comes with 4000mAh is a lot of energy, and the fact don't comes with removable battery is no longer so important.
Now if one day we have to change it, if disassembly is like ONE that is really terrible. I would never buy a phone like this, that can't disassemble it to put a new battery. The ONE disappointed me greatly in this respect is all glued....arrhhhhh
Zaegun said:
It could, but it really depends. Being competitive on the technical front is only the first part. Though there will probably be fairly comparably specced phones out later this year and maybe even as early as summer (maybe).
Marketing the sucker is the second. Samsung has done a good job in making Galaxy the go to name for android phones... even surpassing Droid marketing imo. The amount of Galaxy related ads I see is several times that of what I see from the Nexus line.
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If S4 had already come with the Exynos with LTE i even not would place this question ...... the problem is that comes two versions and the better one dont have LTE.
So if gona wait, other options like Motorola X will appear soon.

Man even if Google came out with a killer X phone they don't know how to distribute it and market it properly, just look at the N4 ...
On the other hand, since Samsung doesn't give a damn about what Google tells them to do with phones, UI etc, i think Google will probably try to get a killer out at a lower price point.
But they won't be able, nor will they want to, market it as much as samsung will with the S4. I mean samsung got it all right when they launched the S1 when the iphone was crushing competition --> mass mass mass marketing, it just works when the device follows up. two/three years later look where they are...

Lot of speculation, nothing final. And wait till we have the final product. X-phone name doesn't mean it's made for X-men!
And google/motorola are yet to prove that they can handle distribution and sales properly. None of their previous products have sold close to what iPhones/Galaxies sell. A good product isn't enough to be a blockbuster hit in present market.
X-phone/Nexus just doesn't have even even the 10% brand recognition of iPhone and Galaxy S. Marketing and promotion is something which only Apple and Samsung is able to do at this moment. Let's wait and see.

harise100 said:
If it comes without sd card slot and fixed battery - > NO CONTEST!
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If the battery is massive I wouldn't mind and it needs at least 32GB and USB OTG and then that is fine
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Most of these specs are fantasies. Sapphire Glass is insanely expensive and there wont be a massive battery either

The truth is Samsung doesn't put us THE S4 on the table. What Sam brought was a S4 Poll and many doubts about LTE Exynos. Some countries have one anothers other, and some both.
These threads were not supposed to exist after S4 public presentation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2210468
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2211855&page=2
As for X users informed as we just have to wait 15 days after we actually can buy one S4 to know what is.
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The leaked /rumored specs are impressive but will it have smart stay, smart scroll, air gesture, ir, etc etc etc? No... Never
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Based on a quick google search the motorla x doesn't seem to be a super phone anymore and that those super hardware specs are being saved for the next nexus...
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The leaked /rumored specs are impressive but will it have smart stay, smart scroll, air gesture, ir, etc etc etc? No... Never
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I hope you are so wrong! :banghead:
I want to have "Multi windows" and a pen for my Nexus 7 or it's successors.
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pack21 said:
My point is, for consumers who are confused whether they should buy the S4\S600 or S4\Exynos, knowing S4's that only be for sale at the same time the expected presentation of Motorola X, culd be in doubt to what extent Motorola X will not give up their tendencies to S4.
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I guess it all comes down to what consumers want. Nexus/AOSP phones have appealed more to enthusiasts than the mainstream consumer (the GN only sold 750K units when sold alongside the SGS2/3) when offered at the same price. So with Samsung going even further over the top with s/w on the SGS4 it'll be interesting to see how they react to a "pure Google" Motorola phone. Google wants consumers to think "pure" is better but based on how well phones with overlays sell in comparison you have to wonder what consumer's think. If Motorola was smart they'd offer Phone X as a dual-boot in to either AOSP or an overlay that's got features like Samsung and LG are both pushing. That would at least hedge their bets. My prediction is if the Phone X is AOSP it's not going to dent the SGS4 because Samsung's trained people that s/w features are important (even if they're not).

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I really like AOSP.
You can have the best Android device. Because the S3 and coming S4 ROMs will never be 100% bug free.
On my Nexus 7 I am not aware of any bug in Android. The ROM developers fixed what google forgot.
The hardware sucks for a phone. :banghead:
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On my Nexus 7 I am not aware of any bug in Android. The ROM developers fixed what google forgot.
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Nothing is perfect. I will say that nothing is even close to perfect.

It will be business as usual for the average joe as people savage for the S4.
But sales will halt for Enthusiasts like us as we await Google I/O.
There's no doubt KLP will be released.
However, I have a feeling that there will definitely be a new high-end phone here
and Google keeping the Nexus 4 as a low cost alternative.