Since when did the best phone come down to the best CPU. If I licensed winmo 2003 and put it on a quad-core phone with 2 gigs of ram would it run smoother than even android? Let alone WP7 or iOS. Our hardware tech is years ahead of what our phones are capable of software-wise. Most of our highest-grade games run on a 1 GHz processor without fail. So, why has the best phone come down to a **** measuring contest of unnecessary and oft unused power?
You're missing an important point: the energy comsumption.
The current dual-cores are consuming less than the old 1-cores and the 4-cores will consume even less energy (smaller size = less consumption), thus increasing battery life.
And I also do not agree on your definition of "phone". Until now our phones are "local minor PCs", but as soon as ICS is expanded and it has USB HOST and so, we should be able to connect a keyboard, mouse and screen to the device and just drop our entire pc-tower to the dust.
It's evolution.
It ensures that the software of tomorrow will work on the hardware of today. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp. Same thing with laptops. They used to be useless after a year, now they last much longer.
And I know you will probably say "but not all phones are getting ICS!" But the fact is, all of the high end phones will get it, even if it is supplied by a third party.
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It ensures that the software of tomorrow will work on the hardware of today. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp. Same thing with laptops. They used to be useless after a year, now they last much longer.
And I know you will probably say "but not all phones are getting ICS!" But the fact is, all of the high end phones will get it, even if it is supplied by a third party.
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Exactly. And the high end phones being the ones with these crazy processors. Because of that they will be ready for future software.
By the way, thanks for starting this flame session z33. Wonder how long it'll take to get the thread locked...
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Android isn't resource hungry in the sense that it needs ridiculous specs to run. Even ICS, given the source and such, should run on the old snapdragons and even the 800Mhz g2 processors before over-clocking, so still, it's not really necessary. As far as energy consumption goes, there's only one OS that eats batteries and that's due to the lack of optimization of code. I just don't believe hardware should be the defining factor when purchasing a phone unless its form factor or a feature.
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Android isn't resource hungry in the sense that it needs ridiculous specs to run. Even ICS, given the source and such, should run on the old snapdragons and even the 800Mhz g2 processors before over-clocking, so still, it's not really necessary. As far as energy consumption goes, there's only one OS that eats batteries and that's due to the lack of optimization of code. I just don't believe hardware should be the defining factor when purchasing a phone unless its form factor or a feature.
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But you don't know what might come out tomorrow, or next week, or next year. Better to be prepared than stuck buying another $500 phone.
The pissing contest is the same mindless garbage that we see in any other hobbyist group, whether it's PCs, cars, motorcycles or penis pumps. It's about some OCDer's ability to waste endless amounts of time tweaking to wring a few last numbers out on a synthetic benchmark that only fellow OCDers will give two sh*ts about. The answer is simple. Some people enjoy making technology better, others are just plain f*cking stupid. If they spent as much time picking up a book and learning to code, or do anything remotely useful at all... you know, doing something to contribute as they did stroking themselves about having a high score on a benchmark, we'd have more and better apps, they'd have money in their wallets, and we wouldn't have forums so full of nonsense.
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But you don't know what might come out tomorrow, or next week, or next year. Better to be prepared than stuck buying another $500 phone.
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This is the reason most software companies in the cellphone industry offer at least two years guaranteed support. It just happens to be the length of the contract. I was once a victim of the hardware pissing contest, I literally swapped phones sometimes 3 times a month just constantly upgrading.
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This is the reason most software companies in the cellphone industry offer at least two years guaranteed support. It just happens to be the length of the contract. I was once a victim of the hardware pissing contest, I literally swapped phones sometimes 3 times a month just constantly upgrading.
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I would rather not be guaranteed 2 year software support. All that means to me is a guarantee that my software has no chance of catching up to the hardware...for the sake of their "guarantee".
Most? Are you new here. Remember WinMo updates. WP has been out for a year, so you're making assumptions there. The only company that has supported their phones for two years is google with the Nexus phones and Apple since the older models reduce capacity and serve as their mid range offerings.
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Even the old iPhones have the two year support range.
Lowandbehold, software isn't catching up to hardware any time soon considering every mobile OS still runs fine on a 1 GHz processor
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Even the old iPhones have the two year support range.
Lowandbehold, software isn't catching up to hardware any time soon considering every mobile OS still runs fine on a 1 GHz processor
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So you claim to be a dev and a tech geek yet you are complaining about OEM's pushing the envelope? What kind of person wants technology to stop evolving?
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Exactly. And the high end phones being the ones with these crazy processors. Because of that they will be ready for future software.
By the way, thanks for starting this flame session z33. Wonder how long it'll take to get the thread locked...
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so in what? 4 years? When android can take advantage of dual core, you'll pull out the old gs2 that you've upgraded twice from and say, "wow, this phone can't run one specific game that my new octa-core phone does." For such a privilege you sacrifice OEM support as a whole. Yay, logic.
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So you claim to be a dev and a tech geek yet you are complaining about OEM's pushing the envelope? What kind of person wants technology to stop evolving?
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I simply don't see why the hardware is the biggest deal. We are a developer community and until software can keep up with hardware then there's simply no point. If everything runs flawlessly on a 1gig processor, why is that considered low-end.
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I simply don't see why the hardware is the biggest deal. We are a developer community and until software can keep up with hardware then there's simply no point. If everything runs flawlessly on a 1gig processor, why is that considered low-end.
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The only thing pointless is this thread. You really thing technology should come to a halt.
Not at all, I just think that software should be more important than hardware when choosing a phone
Because compared to the new phones it is. Not saying that those (low end) phones aren't fast (or fast enough) on wp7 or any other os but since the bar has been raised, their low end.
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Not at all, I just think that software should be more important than hardware when choosing a phone
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And it is to some people and not to others. Stop trying to force feed your beliefs onto others. Well, actually android is the better software as well...for my needs.
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Because compared to the new phones it is. Not saying that those (low end) phones aren't fast (or fast enough) on wp7 or any other os but since the bar has been raised their low end.
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but this only works on android. Other OSes are smoother than android on three year old hardware. So, in cross-platform arguments it's annoying.
Does anyone else feel that battery tech hasn't even caught up with the new hardware?
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I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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get used to it br0. It's the cycle of technology. You can NEVER keep up. Just love what you have.
I do love what I had. That is why I just sold it on ebay. LOL I want the latest and greatest, but this is getting ridiculous. Who in the heck wants to hang with their old droid when there are 20 better phones out there within a year. Either Apple is on something or they are on to something. 1 new phone ever 6 months to a year and people go nutz for the fricking thing.
My advice evaluate the phone technology and its likelihood to be supported. These are the 2 most critical items to consider.
I have had a Galaxy phone since its release and I waited for it for 5 months before getting it............ because I knew it was going to have tech that would endure for a while. Now, we have the dual cores everywhere. Beware, just because it is dual core does not make it a great phone. Make sure to check everything out, and make sure it will be supported. Finally, As soon as you get a dual core in ........2012 there will be quad cores..........and so it goes...........
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get used to it br0. It's the cycle of technology. You can NEVER keep up. Just love what you have.
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exactly the same goes for PCs
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I do love what I had. That is why I just sold it on ebay. LOL I want the latest and greatest, but this is getting ridiculous. Who in the heck wants to hang with their old droid when there are 20 better phones out there within a year. Either Apple is on something or they are on to something. 1 new phone ever 6 months to a year and people go nutz for the fricking thing.
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Well, yeah. Then commercial groups offering spaceship travels for big money definietly shouldn't do it, but wait until everyone can afford it.
If only having the best phone makes you feel the best I feel sorry for you. : (
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I want the latest and greatest
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Then the problem is clearly you and not the manufacturers. Ask yourself why you always want the latest and greatest. What significant and meaningful difference does it make in your day-to-day life.
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I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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The carriers will never update their phones as quickly as we would like, but we have CM7, Miui and other distributions to fix that.
Do you upgrade a laptop every 3-4 months? Likely not.
'phones' are becoming similar.
Also, Android being a powerful free OS allows many phone makers to get in on making a smartphone quite quickly. This is a good thing, not a bad one.
I dont go to the food store and complain there are too many different types of bread. Choice is a luxury.
/firstworldproblems
There is a problem.
The problem isnt choice or speed of new handsets. Its the fact these handset makers seem to be going out of there way to hold back features just to create more options.
Nearly every choice you make you sacrifice something that shouldnt be. This last year Samsung was incredibly guilty of that.
We shouldnt have to pick between the phone with the best camera or the best screen 3g or 4g when theyre released with identical specs within a few weeks/months of each other.
You end up with a situation where IMO since 3GS/NexusOne were both available at same time theres basically no best handset to get. They all have some glaring downside that often seems intentional. Nexus Galaxy having weak gpu/pentile screen/5mp camera for a flasgship phone is the calling card of this awful trend.
Hopefully Google buying Moto means a true flagship android phone will be out in the future. HTCs lousy digitizer selection , and Samsungs half assed approach really are getting on my nerves.
Win7 just needs more options PERIOD.
Actually I'm happy I'm a reviewer and I get all the newest models for a week only. I never have to regret my choice and invest in next generations and upgrades.
That's why I chose a mid-tier device - If review phones must be wiped, I can still keep my data on my Ace and customize how I want.
It's good that technology is moving so fast. You buy a thing, but there are many others that haven't bought this thing. If they were iPhoners, they would have to wait until June (or October in 4s case) till the next model.
But Androiders and WP7ists just go in the store and buy tech that is up to date, because it is released just weeks ago and so specs are always at its zenith.
Phone manufacturers are really going out of control. They produce phones with specs that are missing, then include them in their next offerings. but then they produce phones which are pretty much the same as the ones before except for 1 or 2 upgrades to increase sales.
They like to make their products 'diverse' but if you look on the bird's eye view of it. It becomes clear that they are just going for quantity without quality products.
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
Better buy a product which suits you for the next year or two
I think it's great, actually. People only THINK they need the latest and greatest device, when they don't. I rather have 5 new phones come out in a 2 week period than having to wait for something for a year or so. With android, there's little chance of you not finding the PERFECT phone for you. (Mines is the SK4G, I can care less about any other phone now)
The only problem I see with rapid phone releases is updates. I highly doubt the Sidekick 4G, even with it coming out earlier this year, will see ICS... let alone Gingerbread, because they're forgotten about/ not important enough.
Honestly, if you have a rooted GB device, and it runs how you like it, do you need to worry about the newer phones?
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Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
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Because, short of Apple and their ability as a small company producing both hardware and software,there is not profit in that. Companies are out to make money, it is not their fault that the wealthy people of the world have decided that they must have the latest phone no matter what, that's on the consumer.
I bought a Nexus One in April 2010 and I've not felt tempted to replace it before now because it runs Gingerbread and newer phones didn't seem to offer that much more.
However, the release of the Galaxy Note with the stylus for accurate screen pointing and screen large enough and with sufficient resolution to display entire Web page makes an upgrade now worthwhile to me. Zooming and panning a small phone screen across a Web page to find specific points of interest is a pain and I look forward to leaving that experience behind.
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Because, short of Apple and their ability as a small company producing both hardware and software,there is not profit in that. Companies are out to make money, it is not their fault that the wealthy people of the world have decided that they must have the latest phone no matter what, that's on the consumer.
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^What he said
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Phone manufacturers are really going out of control. They produce phones with specs that are missing, then include them in their next offerings. but then they produce phones which are pretty much the same as the ones before except for 1 or 2 upgrades to increase sales.
They like to make their products 'diverse' but if you look on the bird's eye view of it. It becomes clear that they are just going for quantity without quality products.
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
Better buy a product which suits you for the next year or two
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Because if they play apple's game, they will lose horribly. Apple is apple, and apple is the standard whether you like it or not. When a average person compares a phone, what does he compare it to? The iPhone of course. So a manufacturer will not survive if they only release a oh so powerful phone every year or two, simply because they do not have nearly as much of a fan base apple has.
it's really awesome imo
always something to be excited about
I love waiting for a phone I've been wanting to drop in price, and while I wait, an even better phone gets released lmao
http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them
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Because if they play apple's game, they will lose horribly. Apple is apple, and apple is the standard whether you like it or not. When a average person compares a phone, what does he compare it to? The iPhone of course. So a manufacturer will not survive if they only release a oh so powerful phone every year or two, simply because they do not have nearly as much of a fan base apple has.
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I think it is this statement that sums it all up. Very well said.
short story::my phone needs replacing Baad...
all phones i consider are expensive yet have biig probs..
either build quality, light bleeds, creaks.. some important features touted by manufacturers just dont work;.. amaze rec'd audio etc..
seems like ppl put up w/ probs that kill a percentage of usabilities that are not disclosed at time of purchase..
phones already obsolete w/in several months, so it seems like they should be built well and all features work w/o surprises..
for now i mainly care about htc amaze but im spooked for some build quality issues and features not working well..
i will wait to see what samsung nexus galaxy shakes out, but im not confident about samsung...
tahnx
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short story::my phone needs replacing Baad...
all phones i consider are expensive yet have biig probs..
either build quality, light bleeds, creaks.. some important features touted by manufacturers just dont work;.. amaze rec'd audio etc..
seems like ppl put up w/ probs that kill a percentage of usabilities that are not disclosed at time of purchase..
phones already obsolete w/in several months, so it seems like they should be built well and all features work w/o surprises..
for now i mainly care about htc amaze but im spooked for some build quality issues and features not working well..
i will wait to see what samsung nexus galaxy shakes out, but im not confident about samsung...
tahnx
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All issues I never had outside of android.
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All issues I never had outside of android.
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Right, because your phone is obsolete before it gets unboxed!
For what reason? My processor is outdated? The only reason phones even have such processors is because android can barely remain usable without it. My phone runs much smoother on my 1.4 GHz processor and mine will continue to receive updates. Man, it's awesome to have a phone that won't be bested in another week or two.
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All issues I never had outside of android.
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Coincidentally, I never had any of those issues with Android. Hmm..
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For what reason? My processor is outdated? The only reason phones even have such processors is because android can barely remain usable without it. My phone runs much smoother on my 1.4 GHz processor and mine will continue to receive updates. Man, it's awesome to have a phone that won't be bested in another week or two.
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Just because a newer phone is released does not make your phone any less good. You are stuck in a consumer mindset. It would be for your benefit to change that, otherwise you'll actually feel like your phone is crap after a new one is released—although, to be honest, that would explain every bad thing you've ever said about Android.
Android is quite usable, in my opinion. And while your phone may run smooth with that processor, it probably couldn't handle the processor-intensive tasks that newer, up-to-date phones could. That is a selling feature for some people, believe it or not.
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Coincidentally, I never had any of those issues with Android. Hmm..
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What phone do you have?
Kudos on avoiding HTC.
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What phone do you have?
Kudos on avoiding HTC.
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Oh, you were talking about HTC? I could have sworn you generalized all Android devices...
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All issues I never had outside of android.
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Yep, you sure did.
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What phone do you have?
Kudos on avoiding HTC.
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HTC Glacier...0 issues.
sounds like you are complaining about HTC
there are plenty of other manufactures to move onto
how about the new toilet proof Motorola Razr ?
it will sure keep dusts at bay
amkaos said:
short story::my phone needs replacing Baad...
all phones i consider are expensive yet have biig probs..
either build quality, light bleeds, creaks.. some important features touted by manufacturers just dont work;.. amaze rec'd audio etc..
seems like ppl put up w/ probs that kill a percentage of usabilities that are not disclosed at time of purchase..
phones already obsolete w/in several months, so it seems like they should be built well and all features work w/o surprises..
for now i mainly care about htc amaze but im spooked for some build quality issues and features not working well..
i will wait to see what samsung nexus galaxy shakes out, but im not confident about samsung...
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Oh I was talking about all android devices, HTC is just the worst of them. Each time they release a device, they release one a month or two later to trump them. When I was using android I literally had a new phone at least every 1-2 months. Their phones aren't made for the long run, they'll stop updating them and have new hardware out in a couple of months. Pretty much no OEM support at all after they leave their door. The glacier was cool when it was the alternative to the iPhone for decent video calling, now that that's largely unimportant the glacier is just another dated piece of hardware forgotten by HTC.
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Oh I was talking about all android devices, HTC is just the worst of them. Each time they release a device, they release one a month or two later to trump them. When I was using android I literally had a new phone at least every 1-2 months. Their phones aren't made for the long run, they'll stop updating them and have new hardware out in a couple of months. Pretty much no OEM support at all after they leave their door. The glacier was cool when it was the alternative to the iPhone for decent video calling, now that that's largely unimportant the glacier is just another dated piece of hardware forgotten by HTC.
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My current daily driver is nearing 2 years old now, and still has better hardware than phones released today (which doesn't matter, since better phones are out, right?). It received major updates multiple times throughout it's life, and thanks to it being an Android phone, I can continue to update it myself whenever I feel the need to do (which is a downside, because it somehow no longer works out of the box even after multiple updates, right?). I also never use a case, and it doesn't even have a scratch on it (which is unimpressive, since Nokia's are actually so scratch-resistant, that if you attempt to scratch it, it'll actually scratch you... right?).
But you're right. Build quality? Hardware? OEM support? Magic tricks? Clearly, Android pales in comparison to the competition (when you ignore facts).
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Oh I was talking about all android devices, HTC is just the worst of them. Each time they release a device, they release one a month or two later to trump them. When I was using android I literally had a new phone at least every 1-2 months. Their phones aren't made for the long run, they'll stop updating them and have new hardware out in a couple of months. Pretty much no OEM support at all after they leave their door. The glacier was cool when it was the alternative to the iPhone for decent video calling, now that that's largely unimportant the glacier is just another dated piece of hardware forgotten by HTC.
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Please tell me how it is a dated piece of hardware? It is on the current version of Android, it has a decent camera, it has a chip good enough to do what is available right now. As far as single core phones go, it is about as good as it gets.
While I agree that Android feels a bit rougher around the edges, iPhone and WP7 have bugs too. In fact show me a perfect OS and I'll fill_in_the_blank.
Your old dumb phone did 2-3 things, so bugs were easy to hash out. Smartphones can do ALOT more than laptops and their still in their relative infancy.
Your hardware issues however are the result of manufacture price cutting and a "get it out the door now" philosophy. It's a problem facing ALL manufactures. My battery cover started creaking 2 months after I bought it (no I didn't drop it).
To your point, yes cheap sh*t sold for top dollar is the norm.
Okay, so. I was thinking today, and came to a funny realization.
When did SemiAccurate say that 28nm process production was shut down?
Mid-February.
When was the One X/S/XL announced?
February 29th.
When was the release window?
Within 60 days of the announcement at Mobile World Congress.
NOW. Here's my logic.
HTC is at this point, an extremely large customer of TSMC. They are going to be using tens of thousands of chips they are manufacturing in their phones. Production was "halted" in mid-February. That means it would have been on a long bit before MWC. Being a fairly large customer, I'm relatively sure at some point HTC would have been alerted were there a major production failure. Consequently, HTC wouldn't have announced the 'One' line to be released so soon.
That's my logic, take it how you want, and I may have overlooked something and be completely wrong, but hey. Why not share?
Ohh, I was under the impression that this was a very recent and potentially still occurring shutdown. Where did you read that it was in February. If this is true then yes, we should still see the phone stateside in April-May...which is kind of what I have been saying regardless of the scenario. Early-mid April would be sweet though...I guess we'll see
"So lets analyze and hopefully narrow the possibilities. This is based on what we know about how the processes and technology works, not based on leaks. We will assume that production stopped in mid-February, and all three variants including both high and low power processes, High-K and non-High-K are down. Even if the low power variant of 28nm is still running, it does not affect the analysis below."
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wow...to me that article sounds off the worst...if production hasnt even started again then we might be in trouble...unless they manufactured all the HTC chips for initial shipment before the shutdown which is HIGHLY unlikely. doesn't sound good...I may just grab a note now...
First, before you do that take into account that SemiAccurate is the only site that is even remotely assuming this is true. Every other site in the fabrication world has nothing of it. Even the most popular ones.
The reason I posted this topic was to hopefully dispel the ideas that this is actually true, hence calling bollocks. It would be a HORRIBLE marketing decision for HTC to announce the XL to be released within 60 days of MWC if they knew they could not reach that demand due to the TSMC shutdown.
ALSO.
If there was a shutdown at TSMC, it was because of High-Power processes. These high-power processes are going in graphics cards, like that of Nvidia and AMD. If you're in tune with the computer world, the 7970 from AMD is having problems with rapid degradation. There's a possibility that the problem is only affecting high power processes like that.
Fingers crossed that I'm correct and the TSMC shutdown is invalid or is at least not affecting our phone.
thanks for the clarification...while I am aware of intel's low and high voltage processor differences in the computer world, I did not realize the snapdragon's 28nm chip was on a separate line than some of the other high voltage 28nm processors for other applications. This makes all the sense in the world. Like you said, the fact that there is no official mention of this problem anywhere but a single site has to be an indicator that the the problem is localized and should not affect a wide range of products. I am gonna wait for the HTC press conference, supposedly scheduled for the near future...that should clarify a lot. it's just the "waiting in the dark" part that hurts!
I'm so impatient it literally hurts. I'm stuck on a Palm Pre until the One X comes out and quite honestly, it's the dumbest smartphone i've ever experienced.
Yeah, when is the supposed HTC press conference for the One X anyways? I heard it might be in NY next month? Are there any rumors or evidence to back this up??? I might have to just get the Vivid if the One X takes so long!!??
I don't know any concrete info on that, just the rumors floating around that it is next month in NY.
The only phone that could keep me away from the One X right now is the Note. But I am gonna wait to see the reviews from the international version which be hitting websites any day now...The phone is identical and the performance of the dual core krait will be nearly the same, some even think better. I just want to hear about general battery life, camera, etc etc...
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I don't know any concrete info on that, just the rumors floating around that it is next month in NY.
The only phone that could keep me away from the One X right now is the Note. But I am gonna wait to see the reviews from the international version which be hitting websites any day now...The phone is identical and the performance of the dual core krait will be nearly the same, some even think better. I just want to hear about general battery life, camera, etc etc...
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I've heard a few whispers about it as well. I hope they do have one, and release some hard info, possibly on the effect of the shutdown be it true.
Unless you look at the note, and love the way it feels in your hand, don't get it. It's only going to be antiquated by the One X as soon as you actually pick it up. The S4 and Adreno 225 are miles over the Snapdragon 8255T and Adreno 205 that are in the Note. It's just a bad buy overall at this point unless you're in love with the screen size. Other than the stylus, it's already antiquated technology. As is the GS2 at this point.
Press Conference Info: http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/20/sprint-and-htc-announce-collaboration-event-in-nyc-on-april-4th/
It's very disturbing to see that Sprint and HTC are getting together for an event before AT&T does!
yeah I am gonna read that...maybe because they already announced the ATT version..?
I am one of the few who is actually attracted by the stylus...but alas, you can't have it all- its always the case, and seems especially true with phones. the note should have come with a newer processor and ICS...the only thing holding me back from getting it is the old S3 in it. anyhow, and I will use the car dock with the X a lot and see it being a very very nice device overall. have owned a samsung captivate (said I would never buy samsung again), and now my Motorola Atrix (I love moto). It only makes sense that I try out the other "big" phone manufacturer before I start owning up to some brand loyalty
I owned an HTC Aria, and it was a mediocre, middle of the road crappy tiny android phone. It was well built, it was just not powerful enough for me.
I moved up to a Samsung Captivate, and I loved it, (once getting MIUI on it, I was deeply infatuated).
I don't like motorola honestly, but I haven't extensively used any android phone of theirs.
I wasn't too confident about going back to HTC considering the problems a lot of their flagship phones have, but I have a good feeling about the One X. That could just be my hope talking though.
I write really long winded replies, I apologize.
btdubs, if it weren't for the fact that the stylus is a wacom stylus, I would have no interest, but it seems awesome.
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I owned an HTC Aria, and it was a mediocre, middle of the road crappy tiny android phone. It was well built, it was just not powerful enough for me.
I moved up to a Samsung Captivate, and I loved it, (once getting MIUI on it, I was deeply infatuated).
I don't like motorola honestly, but I haven't extensively used any android phone of theirs.
I wasn't too confident about going back to HTC considering the problems a lot of their flagship phones have, but I have a good feeling about the One X. That could just be my hope talking though.
I write really long winded replies, I apologize.
btdubs, if it weren't for the fact that the stylus is a wacom stylus, I would have no interest, but it seems awesome.
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The Inspire was fantastic, only real issue is the small battery and the GPS not being insanely accurate and quick. The Vivid was good, but came too late and the phone doesn't really have a lot of development.
I think my issue is the way that sense bogged down the whole experience. Give me a One XL with stock ICS and holy crap you've got a dead ringer for my favorite phone ever.
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I think my issue is the way that sense bogged down the whole experience. Give me a One XL with stock ICS and holy crap you've got a dead ringer for my favorite phone ever.
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I'm guessing the One XL will be rootable/flashable on day one if HTC made sure to get their HTCDev unlocks together at launch.
Yeah, it's already got a root method out and such but then again any phone with an unlocked bootloader can be rooted.
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It's very disturbing to see that Sprint and HTC are getting together for an event before AT&T does!
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You should put into consideration that when they announced the htc one series at the event and said the phone will be release globally in April and showed AT&T and tmobile being the only USA carriers, that they do need there own release event.
I dont care about Sprint I care about at&t
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Yeah, it's already got a root method out and such but then again any phone with an unlocked bootloader can be rooted.
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Dude, we can't tell people enough. It is only a temp root at this point.
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With iPhones beginning to show its age, and Android phones coming out with faster processors, more PPI, and more premium materials, I think Android is in a prime position to take the crown here. But with this fierce competition, I'm starting to notice more and more quality control issues, weird design decisions, and what seems to be less-than-thorough testing before release.
Take the HTC One and Galaxy S4 for example. Both are getting high praises from reviewers, and people are generally happy with these devices. But looking at the forums here, the problems that people have about these phone are glaring and very noticeable but at the same time not necessary/innate, meaning that it could have been easily avoided by both manufactures with just a bit more attention to detail, better testing, and better quality control. The shear number of people who have dead pixels on their HTC One is mind boggling for example, where they have to go through exchange after exchange in order to get one without dead pixels. Looking at one of the poles, 60% reported at least one defective pixel! The lack of a menu button, or an out-of-the box option to long press for menu baffles me even more. Yes, you can root/unlock and mod the phone (and maybe lose your warranty or brick it), but how about that person who is switching from an iPhone to an HTC One who has no desire to modify their phone? Are they not going to be turned off by that ugly black box taking up an appreciable portion of their screen real estate? Then there are many people who are turned off by the gaps in HTC claimed "zero" gap design. Again doing exchange, after exchange in order to get a "good one".
Same story with the S4 with its lags, screen smearing, the always-on red pixels.....and now they are trying to fix these issues with firmware updates. These are problems that are apparent straight out of the box. Its not like HTC or Samsung could not have noticed them during testing. Someone didn't complain to HTC about that black box during testing? HTC couldn't require that a majority of its LCDs be free of pixel defect? Samsung didn't notice the ugly smearing in their menus, or the burgundy tinted blacks before release? None of the testers reported to Samsung about their god-awful Dialer app? (I'm talking about the ATT version, not sure about the international version here). No one noticed the glaring lag in at least some of the tested devices?
I mean, why shoot yourself in the foot with these easily avoidable problems? These phones are close to perfection, and in a strange way, it makes these kind of problems even harder to swallow. Why have all this great hardware under the hood, and then handicap it in the worst way with some stupid design decision, QC problems, or an obvious lack of usability testing prior to release?
Part of the problem might be that we are demanding more for our money. The 1080p LCD/AMOLED isn't cheap, machining a piece of aluminum isnt cheap, the Snapdraon 600 isn't cheap, Gorilla Glass 3 isnt cheap...so maybe Samsung/ HTC skimp on testing prior to release or demanding less from quality control. But is that what we want going forward? We all love new toys, but the joy and excitement of having a new gadget fades away quickly after you take it out of the box. Having to wait for firmware updates, or holding off to buy in hopes of a new stock, just makes the novelty fade away even quicker.
I for one would like cellphone manufacturers to take more of my money but give me a better product out of the box. Charge me more, but don't knowingly skimp somewhere. The more I think about it, the more I realize how cheap cellphones really are considering all the bells whistle they come with. I rarely use my laptop anymore unless I need to type up a paper or to do photo/video editing. I'm a gadget junky, through and through. Like many of you, I spend a good amount of my hard earned cash on newer and better TVs, cameras, game consoles, PC components, laptops, etc etc. But I must say, none of those have required more exchanges, more returns, and more DOH!s than cellphones.
My question to tech junkies and laymans alike is, where do you stand? would be willing to pay more than that ubiquitous $200 for a high-tiered subsidized phone, if you knew it was "Muaaaaaaaaaa" *kisses fingertips* out-of-the box and not have to wait for a firmware update? Would you pay more If you knew you wouldn't have to exchange it countless times in order to get a "good one"? How much more? .....or you could just say "Sam, you are an ass for typing all this"
$200?! What?!
The S4 is 649 euro's....
And you're asking if I'd be willing to pay even more?! What the hell do you expect us to pay, 1200 euros?!
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Ass
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In response to your unedited post....the whole point is to not have to wait for these glaring bugs and QC issues to be fixed. By that time newer phones will be out.
ShadowLea said:
$200?! What?!
The S4 is 649 euro's....
And you're asking if I'd be willing to pay even more?! What the hell do you expect us to pay, 1200 euros?!
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LOL No, no i wasnt suggesting anything that drastic. Maybe a 50 dollars/euros increase.
PC compenent manufacturers do something similar with their "binned" versions of hardware; where they cherry pick chips/ram/vrm/controllers and sell the finished product at a slightly higher price. im not saying we should necessarily have a "binned" and regular versions of phones, but what Im hoping for is for phone manufacturers to do better inspection, better testing, and hold higher standards for what they release out in the market, even if the price goes slightly above what the consumers are use to be paying
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yea fair enough, I just thought "Ass" was funnier.
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I'm with you, except I disagree with paying more. If these companies want to lead the market, they HAVE to test them thoroughly before they sell them. I will say that I think Google's level of testing is very high. For that reason, I think I'm only going to get Nexus phones until they give me a reason not to.
I would pay more for a phone if everything worked and was good quality. i mostly do development with my phones and the phone i have right now has always had gps issues with none of the fixes ive ever found to help. quality damnit!
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I would pay more for a phone if everything worked and was good quality. i mostly do development with my phones and the phone i have right now has always had gps issues with none of the fixes ive ever found to help. quality damnit!
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I'm with you! You can change software but not quality hardware
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very long article. i would like to pay more only if i found it is worth , for example the hardwarequality , antishock , and more
I think the biggest problem is not in the price pressure, but in the time pressure. We want more and more quickly. The time it takes for device development (both hardware and software) is getting shorter. This means that engineers have less time to polish the device and hence the initial releases can be at most considered early beta releases.
Of course you can try to leverage that by employing more engineers, but this won't buy you much time.
So instead of offering more money for a phone I'd rather suggest giving the manufacturers more time to thoroughly develop and test their toys before launching them.
Mitt Romney jr, is that you?
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I think the biggest problem is not in the price pressure, but in the time pressure. We want more and more quickly. The time it takes for device development (both hardware and software) is getting shorter. This means that engineers have less time to polish the device and hence the initial releases can be at most considered early beta releases.
Of course you can try to leverage that by employing more engineers, but this won't buy you much time.
So instead of offering more money for a phone I'd rather suggest giving the manufacturers more time to thoroughly develop and test their toys before launching them.
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I agree. I think the manufacturers know how to make good hardware and software they are just rushed to release a new phone before their competitor releases theirs. Maybe phones could be released like cars. Then we could all wonder what the "2014's will look like".
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I agree. I think the manufacturers know how to make good hardware and software they are just rushed to release a new phone before their competitor releases theirs. Maybe phones could be released like cars. Then we could all wonder what the "2014's will look like".
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I think we're reaching that point now, actually, or not far from it. This new x phone that leaked it a great example. Last year's hardware, but the idea is probably going to be more about good battery life or something like that.
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lol if someone if switching from Apple, it tends to be for better reason than never-modding or some stock FW aesthetic.
Honestly, ~$600-850 for new phones that are marginally better than last quarter's is already asking quite a bit, so even more and I'll just go back to old brick phones for all the right reasons.
Also our US carriers butchering hardware for god knows what purpose into clunky excuses for what originals were supposed to be.
I'm not really all that happy with the whole smartphone boom over the past 4 years. I quite enjoyed when these toys required proper owners who even knew of their existence.
I DO NOT want to pay more for a phone.
Why ?
Because the $600 or $700 tag already is several hundred dollars over material cost. Yes, they need to account for labour, shipping, and profit but take a look at Google and the Nexus line. Is it because Google can afford to take a loss on the hardware knowing that by using it you'll drive their revenue ? I don't think they would sell at a loss, but I'm open to being moderately surprised if that is the case. I'd guess they're breaking even.
There's no point in paying more for things that could be improved at the same price-point and still drive profit.
What WOULD help ?
Stop signing contracts that screw you for a subsidized phone. They have no incentive to make those phones as perfect as they can - they need some reason for you to keep re-signing that contract two years from now - they WANT you to be wanting to get rid of that phone. Why would they keep updating the firmware when they don't even want you to be using it two years from now ? Why not just have you keep paying them high monthly fees so you can get a "newer and better" phone for cheap (a cost they'll recover from you and then some) ?
What would help is people moving to buying their phones outright and demanding more for what they are paying - driving the market by where they're willing to spend money.
I don't think the components of a smartphone are "not cheap". They kind of are since the material cost is only $2-300. That's less than a decent desktop PC. Yes, it's a decent chunk of change but we're talking smartphones here, they're nice to have but still a luxury good (although I'd agree that a regular cell phone is not a luxury in this day and age). Many people pay more than $300 for a pair of shoes - a pair of Allen Edmonds is $350 ffs and that's $350 on some leather and stitching that people get romantic about - not an electronic device that can pinpoint your location by GPS, holy your music library, and play Netflix. A smartphone is a tiny computer, I would expect it to be priced as such.
So, no, please don't "charge me more" when there is no reason to. Please just have some quality control, although I don't really think it's a big deal because I'm not picky I guess. O well.
The theory behind what you're saying makes sense, but in reality at least here in Canada the prices have already increased a lot the past 3 years.
HTC desire came out almost 3 years ago here in Canada and it was the flagship phone. Full price no contract was $449.99. Then the HTC desire HD came out as its predecessor and it was $499. The desire z was also 499 launching around that time too.
The HTC one s was I think $550 and the one x $599 but dont quote me on that.
Now the HTC one is $650 and others from Samsung are $700. Iphones have always been more but I'm pretty sure they have been increasing steadily as well. So really how much do you want them to increase it? I take it you're very wealthy. Lol
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You're paying for the brand most of the time.. not actual quality
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I think the biggest problem is not in the price pressure, but in the time pressure. We want more and more quickly. The time it takes for device development (both hardware and software) is getting shorter. This means that engineers have less time to polish the device and hence the initial releases can be at most considered early beta releases.
Of course you can try to leverage that by employing more engineers, but this won't buy you much time.
So instead of offering more money for a phone I'd rather suggest giving the manufacturers more time to thoroughly develop and test their toys before launching them.
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I'd agree with that.. I honestly don't see it as as price issue. The life cycles of new phones currently is ridiculous. It seem like by the time one concept is finalized they move on to "the next big thing" and try to mass produce as many of the currently "new" product before next version is released, sometimes in less than a year.
I' m good with mine...
To be completely honest, I got my phone for.99 cents and have never been happier...I don't need multi window nonsense on it and with dev ROMs on here I am fixing to get 4.2.2. So for that price who cares if it burns up but my first and only one is bug free and fast after the OC kernel soooo....
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I'm not sure how much benefit a manufacturer has to gain from creating a premium smartphone.
Such a project will cost untold amounts of resources with no real promise of consumer acceptance.
Apple pretty much set the precedent for competitive pricing with the $200 subsidized price tag. It has become the main reference point when consumers consider their purchases. New Android phone, specs x, y, and z for $300. Well, the immediate thought is going to be... "so what makes this so great that it is $100 above the iPhone's price tag?"
That is why I think the smartphone market does not have room for a "high end", because the $200 range is already a high end.
That the encryption mode with android M is really hog tying up the 808, and slowing it down, plus with the weak GPU, people are getting worried. There are comparison videos showing Nexus 5 OG outperforming the 5x! Both with Android M! Obviously, one has encryption on and the other off, but can 5x have this turned off?
Does this have you worried at all? I know the 6P is getting rave reviews, but even reading about the 820 today has got me thinking... Qualcomm is definitely going into the dog house soon if they don't clean up their mess!
I want us to stop and think about the Apple Chipgate situation (and how it's actually a bad thing for android users), a company a fraction of the size of Qualcomm (TSMC) that was just supposed to subsidize chips for Samsung for the iPhone 6s ended up making chips almost 10% more efficient, and created a whole controversy. Those chips literally $hi7 on the 820 before the speed bump. It's getting pathetic guys...
I just don't get it... What's going on with Android and CPUs... Why is Qualcomm the go to company when they are consistently behind Apple? You would think Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG, etc. would at least put resources together for a better processing company like Intel after 6 straight years (excuse me, 5, Galaxy S and IPhone 4 had the same CPU!), or hey, Samsung could share their tech to the rest of us and make some money for a change...If Intel were more invested they would catch up in no time... That's a fact, but if people only buy your PC CPUs you don't have a reason to spend R&D on mobile CPUs. This needs to change NOW. Too many people are switching to iPhone now, because of this simple reason that Apple is always superior in almost every regard (No, I don't have an iPhone, don't want one, never have had one, not even an iPod touch). Read this weeks articles, what I'm stating is a fact as well, more people are switching than ever, but why? Android hasn't become less efficient. It's just people who LOVE technology are finally putting up the white flag and switching sides...
What I'm basically saying is this sucks, and what can we do about it as consumers? I think it's time to put up the white flag, but not switch sides, just get rid of our (COP) Chief Operating Chipset! Stand firm behind a new company that shows a lot more promise and a lot less stupidity. Even if it's one stagnant year...(We could focus more on Android optimization, and less on going from 8 cores to 16, 32, 64...).....
One bad batch of chipsets I get. two I'm scratching my head..3 and a second year, I'm wondering how much Apple is paying these guy to purposely sabotage the high-end Android ecosystem, and if that's not the case, how stupid is their CEO for not firing the idiot who screwed up the first two times!? Am I alone in thinking this? I mean WTF? I have Mr. Belding in my head while reading these articles going Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! What is going on heeere!?!
I know TSMC is also working on SN820, so how about we go with them from now on, at least leaks have said theirs works better. Which is hilarious as it is. This company must have a genius that just sees a way to improve everything that comes through their door. I should immediately buy shares in their company (not joking)!
In all complete seriousness (wait, what?) we know why we keep getting Qualcomm chip sets. Price. We keep buying the phones that have Qualcomm and manufacturers will keep delivering; there's almost no cure. Keep buying from a company and the cost of R&D significantly diminishes, than their upscale CPUs cost less, so the slightly better 7420 CPU probably costs twice as much as the 810, purely because, we keep buying Qualcomm products... Do you see the conundrum? We have to either pay more for our smartphones, make companies lose more on theirs for different chip sets (not going to happen or SN820 has to be reeaaally bad (and I pray it is)), or switch to Apple, which is still paying more for our smartphones, but we know what we are going to get and when we are going to get it (updates, QOS, reliability, etc.), and this is what's happening, Right. Now...:banghead:
End Rant. This my prerogative, I'd like an open discussion. I also had some questions in here I'd like answered, but I'll go ahead and say it, it's going to happen anyways, and since I'm probably never going to get hit by random gamma rays from outer space that allow me to shoot flames from my hands. I'm going to use this once in a lifetime chance to say this, Flame On!!!