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[Q] So has anyone been put off?

So has anyone been put off by this device and the initial (lack of) reviews and comments from other posters?
I was 100% sure to get it, but held out a few days and now kind of feel 75% sure and wondering now whether to wait for the Evo 3D or even wait a few more months and see what else HTC will bring to the table.
I'm no Samsung fanboy and personally hate my gf's galaxy but i still think HTC haven't shouted enough about this device to persuade me that it's their flagship device like the Desire was last year.
I know it's early days and there is still time for sense to be updated but i'm just not feeling any hype about it.
I wish people with the device would make more threads about their experiences with it. At the moment it seems there are just a few threads floating about.
I've yet to see a good battery thread with praise or complaints....This..to me is the big deciding factor. Since my Desire, with heavy usage, can barely got 4 hours I know pretty much anything can beat it, but it'd be nice to have a device where i can have all my widgets and syncing going on without the worry of needing to charge it at lunch time.

Htc holiday
NEW HTC DEVICE TO COME: HTC HOLIDAY
Look here :
http://www.talkandroid.com/41135-htc-holiday-lead-atts-new-lte-phones
The folks over at Pocketnow have discovered — thanks to some details on a few leaked ROM’s — that HTC is planning two new LTE phones for AT&T, the HTC Holiday and HTC Lead. Some of the specs we know are:
•Both have 1.2 gig dual-core processors
•The Holiday has 1 GB of internal RAM while the Lead has 768 MB
•The Lead has a 4.3-inch WVGA screen, while the Holiday has a 4.5-inch qHD display
•The Lead has only a 5 MP rear camera, while the Holiday has a front 1.3 MP camera and a 8 MP rear camera
•The Lead supports Bluetooth 3.0 while the Holiday supports Bluetooth 4.0
•Both phones run the Qualcomm MSM8660 baseband chip for HSPA+ and LTE support, as well as the Adreno 220 GPU

beautyangel said:
NEW HTC DEVICE TO COME: HTC HOLIDAY
Look here :
http://www.talkandroid.com/41135-htc-holiday-lead-atts-new-lte-phones
The folks over at Pocketnow have discovered — thanks to some details on a few leaked ROM’s — that HTC is planning two new LTE phones for AT&T, the HTC Holiday and HTC Lead. Some of the specs we know are:
•Both have 1.2 gig dual-core processors
•The Holiday has 1 GB of internal RAM while the Lead has 768 MB
•The Lead has a 4.3-inch WVGA screen, while the Holiday has a 4.5-inch qHD display
•The Lead has only a 5 MP rear camera, while the Holiday has a front 1.3 MP camera and a 8 MP rear camera
•The Lead supports Bluetooth 3.0 while the Holiday supports Bluetooth 4.0
•Both phones run the Qualcomm MSM8660 baseband chip for HSPA+ and LTE support, as well as the Adreno 220 GPU
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Chances of it coming to UK is minimal though

enjoying my sensation since Friday morning, still very happy with this phone, flawless all the time.

everyday48 said:
enjoying my sensation since Friday morning, still very happy with this phone, flawless all the time.
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Elaborate on the battery please, it's my biggest deal breaker

Its a bit too early too comment, a few cycles in is the perfect time to comment... out of the box battery will obviously be a lot different to what it will be like in a couple of weeks of usage.

Jas_932 said:
Its a bit too early too comment, a few cycles in is the perfect time to comment... out of the box battery will obviously be a lot different to what it will be like in a couple of weeks of usage.
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personally, i'm still not convinced by that argument. I've had my fair share of phones and never seen a difference....I think the fact that the user stops using it as much as when in the honeymoon period, thus seems like the battery is better...

Yeh, that is one way of looking at it, but you also find the settings that are best for you and your own usage of the phone, thus making it easier to manage the battery usage... such as brightness of the screen... what apps you use etc and etc. There is unfortunately, a million and one ways to look at the argument
The biggest and best question i would ask people, is are they HAPPY with the phone? if not, why? and if so, why?

Jas_932 said:
Its a bit too early too comment, a few cycles in is the perfect time to comment... out of the box battery will obviously be a lot different to what it will be like in a couple of weeks of usage.
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I am happy with this phone.
battery, if you don't play lots of game or browse website, it can last 1 day. battery is always the big issue with smart phones.

Root it and you never stop using it
Barff1984 said:
personally, i'm still not convinced by that argument. I've had my fair share of phones and never seen a difference....I think the fact that the user stops using it as much as when in the honeymoon period, thus seems like the battery is better...
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Looks like those HTC's won't be coming to the UK...for AT&T and LTE.

Also nobody knows when the Holiday and Lead are coming out. Nor when the GSM version of the Evo 3D are coming out. If you need a new phone there's not much point in waiting for an unspecified future date in the hopes of something better as something better is always coming (don't forget the rumours that Samsung will release a new flagship every 6 months). If you just want a new cell phone and can handle to wait then sure, go ahead.
As for the reviews... I get the impression that HTC was pressed for time. Not exactly rushed, but close to it. If you recall the ROMs on some of the preliminary models shown in hands-ons were only using one core and they supposedly had a firmware upgrade just before releasing. Add to that the bad press over the preliminary benchmarks which were worse than the Nexus One and maybe HTC didn't want to hand out review units until it was completely ready (which I get the impression was the actual launch of the device). We know Slashgear is getting a review ready and I think it's safe to assume GSMArena is too so I just wait a bit more. If you aren't convinced then go with another phone which does convince you. The important thing is that you be happy with whatever decision you make.

not been put off and its very logical there are no real reviews yet...official launch worldwide is about somewhere in june.. only vodafone has now the exclusivity plus the phone has not been sent to reviewers yet !

I have . . . paused. I really wanted it, but the lack of praise on this forum has made me wonder. But I really I cant see myself with the galaxy II. My gf has the Galaxy s and whilst its quick, i miss the heft of my HD2 when i hold it.
So it feels alot like the Sensation, with or without shortcomings, is the only other path right now. Does anyone else feel that way?

freedirk said:
I have . . . paused. I really wanted it, but the lack of praise on this forum has made me wonder. But I really I cant see myself with the galaxy II. My gf has the Galaxy s and whilst its quick, i miss the heft of my HD2 when i hold it.
So it feels alot like the Sensation, with or without shortcomings, is the only other path right now. Does anyone else feel that way?
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The quality of the device is fantastic. It feels really nice, the screen is amazing. The new qHD display is nice, bit different from the WVGA, and I think I already prefer it.
Missing root but I hope (really hope) this will come

I have no doubt root will come. Nothing is ever unbeatable. No employee is not disgruntled enough, no certainty is ever certain.
Patience. And thanks for telling me that. I need to hear it

Just waiting for root and I'll be jumping to buy one. I need a front facing camera and as I'm completely happy with the Desire HD this is a step up of the same plus the added speed. Keep looking at the SGSII but that plastic is sooooooo off putting
This forum has spoilt us and we're getting picky now
One wonders what device we'll be carrying 5 years from now
By the way, don't count on root coming real soon - have a read whats going on in Incredible S
ps. Congrats to the folks with this awesome device in hand!

abuserkadayf said:
not been put off and its very logical there are no real reviews yet...official launch worldwide is about somewhere in june.. only vodafone has now the exclusivity plus the phone has not been sent to reviewers yet !
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...been intending on signing up and posting a few bits but have been too lazy recently, but I shall do so now.
The above is what I was going to say. The phone hasn't been launched properly yet, it's effectively just Vodafone customers getting a bit of a pre-release taster. I wouldn't be surprised if we're also being used as a bit of a test group so that they can see what we like/don't like and what needs fixing/ramping up in future releases. I also expect the ROM that's shipped with the general release phones to be updated from what we've got, considering that they have a month of user testing to look at.
As for the phone, I haven't transferred my number over yet and I can't use my T-Mobile SIM as although allows me to text and call, it doesn't seem to want to allow Internet on my phone. So although I've played with it, I haven't really 'used' it yet. It seems really, really nice though. Screen is lovely and going back to using my Hero today feels like going back to some lo-res toy!
Couple of things I'll say aren't too good:
The LED notification is really hard to see compared to the full blown 100 megawatt light on my hero.
The browser, although really good, doesn't seem to like full flash sites. I was trying to watch a few highlights videos from ehlhockey.tv and it was really struggling, but that may just be me or the dire, dire design of the site as full flash sites are made by the devil himself!!
Battery will need a bit more time, but I took the phone off charge at about 6pm last night and checked it at 7am this morning and it was still on 100% with WiFi on. I think HTC have somehow discovered perpetual energy. If it's on 100% when I get back tonight then I'm going to be hooking it up to the mains in the house and living off of the free HTC electricity!

phi11ip said:
Battery will need a bit more time, but I took the phone off charge at about 6pm last night and checked it at 7am this morning and it was still on 100% with WiFi on. I think HTC have somehow discovered perpetual energy. If it's on 100% when I get back tonight then I'm going to be hooking it up to the mains in the house and living off of the free HTC electricity!
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Haha good stuff. But don't stop there. notify the power companies and hook it up to the national grid before another Sensation user does it HTC might be on to a real winner with the battery

First impressions
As you can see from my signature, I've had a broad range of OSs and devices in my hand, and must admit, going from a much played-with HD2 to this Sensation is the biggest jump advancing jump I've made.
The HD2 made upgrading a hard choice, we were spoilt with that, so on doing my research, playing with many Samsungs, Motorolas, Nokias etc (much to the annoyance of shop staff) none of them made any impression above 'meh' in a lot of my criteria other than the Sensation.
I've been bullying this poor thing for 48 hours now, and there has only been one glitch - HTC sync decided not to play for about 20 mins, but after Win7 forced a driver upon it, it was very fluid. The same as the rest of my experiences of this device.
I've got an overlap of contracts this month so i've been testing real-world 3g usage on both O2 and Vodafone, and must say, this battery life is like a backpack worth of battery compared to the HD2, on a par with the large-ish one in the X1.

Anandtech's HTC Sensation review.. Positive!!

I've read many sensation reviews and the one from GSMArena seemed biased from the beginning.
GSMArena reported problems with Death Grip... nope not existent.. check out Anandtech's review.
And for those complaining about the battery check out how the Sensation's Dual-Core processor Frequency voltage rail is designed.
"This is the second dual core SoC we’ve looked at, and thus the results are even more interesting. Qualcomm’s MSM8260 also differs from NVIDIA’s Tegra 2 in how the SoC scales voltage and frequency. On MSM8x60, each core has its own voltage and frequency plane, meaning that when we’re dealing with a heavy single-threaded workload, the second core can slow down and lower voltage. On Tegra 2, there’s a single voltage and frequency plane across both cores. The latter makes a lot of sense for primarily multi-threaded workloads, since they can be divided across both cores, and voltage is lowered accordingly. Voltage scaling generally wins out in the long run, but right now things in Android have a single-threaded bias."
I've been a fan of HTC's design and it seems like when anyone sees a minor problem, the bashing is endless. I think the phone is designed well for its purpose. Don't forget that we get:
HTC's swype feature on keyboards
HTCsense.com
I learned about these from the review. Anyways, enough talking...here is the link.. enjoy!
AnandTech HTC Sensation review

Death grip issue is definitely real (at least for me). I actually think this review doesn't give it enough attention. Hell, if I lay my phone flat on the table, it loses all wifi bars. That is definitely NOT normal.

A good solid review tbh, would be nice if htc acknowledged that the speaker problem was an issue (perhaps peter chou could then announce a fix and release it at some undetermined date in the future)

I couldn't give a **** about what Anandtech thinks. I spend more time trying to figure out what's wrong with my phone (2nd and need a 3rd) than actually using it. That's a huge fail. Every day I go through bull**** with Sense bugs and crummy quality control issues with buttons and screens I get closer to telling T-Mobile to **** themselves and go to ATT or Sprint or anyone.

GorillaPimp said:
I couldn't give a **** about what Anandtech thinks. I spend more time trying to figure out what's wrong with my phone (2nd and need a 3rd) than actually using it. That's a huge fail. Every day I go through bull**** with Sense bugs and crummy quality control issues with buttons and screens I get closer to telling T-Mobile to **** themselves and go to ATT or Sprint or anyone.
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I'm having a lot of problems also but T-mobile didnt make the phone... Sprint, ATT or anyone else has HTC phones with the same sense. If you dont want an HTC phone, Tmobile has other brands as well.

The death grip issue is MOST DEFINITELY real. Clearly not all devices are affected. Mine is a week old, it is definitely present. Try covering the top right of the phone. I lose many wifi bars and even cell signal. Skype calls are annoying because for the camera to work (using the hacked xda version) it has to be in landscape mode; the calls therefore constantly drop. I have until July 19 before I can return it, and that's what I'm planning on doing, and then purchasing again for a cheaper price with (hopefully) no death grip issue.

nugzo said:
I'm having a lot of problems also but T-mobile didnt make the phone... Sprint, ATT or anyone else has HTC phones with the same sense. If you dont want an HTC phone, Tmobile has other brands as well.
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I understand other devices have Sense 3. The S4G is the best phone hardware wise that T-Mo is selling right now if you get one without defects. I'm just going to return the Sensation and wait for the SGS2 and iPhone5 to drop and choose between those and their carriers. I don't want to ditch GSM so I guess I'm looking at an iPhone in September on ATT. I'm not sure I can go that route. iOS is seriously inferior to Android as an OS. I think Sprint is going to have a exclusive on the SGS2 too. I'd get one from Europe but I'm probably not going to want to pay full price or more for it.
I really love the Sensation when it works and love the hardware minus the defects but I can't be bothered with a $500+ phone that randomly reboots when playing music. I'm seriously pissed right now so I should probably chill for a day and think it over. I know soff is coming. If I didn't like the phone so much I wouldn't be this angry about it.

how do you really feel...?
GorillaPimp said:
I couldn't give a **** about what Anandtech thinks. I spend more time trying to figure out what's wrong with my phone (2nd and need a 3rd) than actually using it. That's a huge fail. Every day I go through bull**** with Sense bugs and crummy quality control issues with buttons and screens I get closer to telling T-Mobile to **** themselves and go to ATT or Sprint or anyone.
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HA!! your honesty is refreshing. I do not mock you at all. I love that the OP put "positive" in the caption. I have no real issues besides the lag (and that Stupid Zombies crashes the phone - which could be due to...lag). I don't see the reviews the phone is getting as bias or off base. Most of the issues the critical reviews have in common are impacting a significant segment of sensation owners like yourself. sorry.

steve austin said:
HA!! your honesty is refreshing. I do not mock you at all. I love that the OP put "positive" in the caption. I have no real issues besides the lag (and that Stupid Zombies crashes the phone - which could be due to...lag). I don't see the reviews the phone is getting as bias or off base. Most of the issues the critical reviews have in common are impacting a significant segment of sensation owners like yourself. sorry.
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I am not sure if there is a thread about this, but I think there should be track about what date of manufacture says on the box of the phone and if there is any kind of issue with it. Like that we could know if it is just a bad batch on phones or not.

Stable phones = Nexus One, G2, Nexus S stock with latest grom Google.
Fancy New Phones = G2x, Sensation 4G
Please remind me in 6 months and I will edit this post. I'll rotate the G2x and Sensation into the Stable part and insert the newest phones into the Fancy New section.

HTC needs to issue a recall and hand out to all users a "Fixed" back cover with longer antennas that span the hight of the cover. That would fix the death grip. The screen sensitivity, bugs, reboots are all software issues that the Dev community will solve. I want a CLEAN ROM with only Google's basic stuff. The device will be bug free and fast as hell!

ScooterG said:
Stable phones = Nexus One, G2, Nexus S stock with latest grom Google.
Fancy New Phones = G2x, Sensation 4G
Please remind me in 6 months and I will edit this post. I'll rotate the G2x and Sensation into the Stable part and insert the newest phones into the Fancy New section.
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Also a reminder that when these 'stable' phones were released, they were anything but 'stable'. It took quite a few months for them to be as stable as they are now. Same deal with Sensation (maybe less so for G2x, being LG and all).

wideasleep1 said:
Also a reminder that when these 'stable' phones were released, they were anything but 'stable'. It took quite a few months for them to be as stable as they are now. Same deal with Sensation (maybe less so for G2x, being LG and all).
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Exactly...though I think the G2x will come around as well even though it was the buggiest phone I've ever used out of the box.

ScooterG said:
Exactly...though I think the G2x will come around as well even though it was the buggiest phone I've ever used out of the box.
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I love my LG washer and dryer, but I'll steer clear of their cellphones for a few more years yet.

My only complaint would be the abysmal speakers.
I've tried to get any noticeable sort of signal attenuation by firmly clasping the unit in my hands but I don't even lose a single bar on the WiFi connection. I don't have any real bloatware and the phone hasn't rebooted by itself at all.
I have an Asian Sensation unit.
And frankly, if you want a vanilla ROM, you should have bought a Nexus S or at least wait for S-OFF so you can do what you want with it. You fully knew that the phone's bootloader was locked when you bought it, right? You only have yourself to blame if you had wildly unrealistic expectations. Stop whining when it's your own fault if you bought a Sense 3.0 phone while not wanting it.
You: To whom it may concern.

steve austin said:
HA!! your honesty is refreshing. I do not mock you at all. I love that the OP put "positive" in the caption. I have no real issues besides the lag (and that Stupid Zombies crashes the phone - which could be due to...lag). I don't see the reviews the phone is getting as bias or off base. Most of the issues the critical reviews have in common are impacting a significant segment of sensation owners like yourself. sorry.
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The biggest pain up until now has been no root for titanium and reinstalling/reconfiguration.
My N1 was great to come back to. Then I tried one last time with the s4g and some other launchers. I admit to being an asshole and not believing reports that problems were gone with launcher pro. I also didn't want to leave sense3's eye candy. Installed lp and no more issues. I left zeam installed too for the wallpaper mgmt. I have to jump through hoops to set the lockscreen which messes up the wallpaper but its better than Sense reloads and reboots.
The hardware is worth it. Google maps 3d building rendering is fast and smooth. No lag at all. What I thought were network issues on my nexus was actually it choking on the workload.
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My first was a June 2 Taiwan sharp and this one is a June 7th Chinese auo. This phone is flying now that I kicked sense to the curb. Unfortunately I can't uninstall the mark under my gorilla glass.
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ScooterG said:
Stable phones = Nexus One, G2, Nexus S stock with latest grom Google.
Fancy New Phones = G2x, Sensation 4G
Please remind me in 6 months and I will edit this post. I'll rotate the G2x and Sensation into the Stable part and insert the newest phones into the Fancy New section.
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Has the gs2 been bad?
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GorillaPimp said:
Has the gs2 been bad?
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Yes, just like any new phone. I was focusing on USA T-Mobile phones though...

dhumil said:
I've read many sensation reviews and the one from GSMArena seemed biased from the beginning.
GSMArena reported problems with Death Grip... nope not existent.. check out Anandtech's review.
And for those complaining about the battery check out how the Sensation's Dual-Core processor Frequency voltage rail is designed.
"This is the second dual core SoC we’ve looked at, and thus the results are even more interesting. Qualcomm’s MSM8260 also differs from NVIDIA’s Tegra 2 in how the SoC scales voltage and frequency. On MSM8x60, each core has its own voltage and frequency plane, meaning that when we’re dealing with a heavy single-threaded workload, the second core can slow down and lower voltage. On Tegra 2, there’s a single voltage and frequency plane across both cores. The latter makes a lot of sense for primarily multi-threaded workloads, since they can be divided across both cores, and voltage is lowered accordingly. Voltage scaling generally wins out in the long run, but right now things in Android have a single-threaded bias."
I've been a fan of HTC's design and it seems like when anyone sees a minor problem, the bashing is endless. I think the phone is designed well for its purpose. Don't forget that we get:
HTC's swype feature on keyboards
HTCsense.com
I learned about these from the review. Anyways, enough talking...here is the link.. enjoy!
AnandTech HTC Sensation review
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to be honest i tried all possible grips but sorry to say no death grip issue for me.

Is it just me or are the phone manufacturers getting out of control?

I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.

Riddlin said:
I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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get used to it br0. It's the cycle of technology. You can NEVER keep up. Just love what you have.

I do love what I had. That is why I just sold it on ebay. LOL I want the latest and greatest, but this is getting ridiculous. Who in the heck wants to hang with their old droid when there are 20 better phones out there within a year. Either Apple is on something or they are on to something. 1 new phone ever 6 months to a year and people go nutz for the fricking thing.

My advice evaluate the phone technology and its likelihood to be supported. These are the 2 most critical items to consider.
I have had a Galaxy phone since its release and I waited for it for 5 months before getting it............ because I knew it was going to have tech that would endure for a while. Now, we have the dual cores everywhere. Beware, just because it is dual core does not make it a great phone. Make sure to check everything out, and make sure it will be supported. Finally, As soon as you get a dual core in ........2012 there will be quad cores..........and so it goes...........

illuminarias said:
get used to it br0. It's the cycle of technology. You can NEVER keep up. Just love what you have.
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exactly the same goes for PCs

Riddlin said:
I do love what I had. That is why I just sold it on ebay. LOL I want the latest and greatest, but this is getting ridiculous. Who in the heck wants to hang with their old droid when there are 20 better phones out there within a year. Either Apple is on something or they are on to something. 1 new phone ever 6 months to a year and people go nutz for the fricking thing.
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Well, yeah. Then commercial groups offering spaceship travels for big money definietly shouldn't do it, but wait until everyone can afford it.
If only having the best phone makes you feel the best I feel sorry for you. : (

Riddlin said:
I want the latest and greatest
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Then the problem is clearly you and not the manufacturers. Ask yourself why you always want the latest and greatest. What significant and meaningful difference does it make in your day-to-day life.

Riddlin said:
I feel like Android phone manufacturers are making so many new phones no one can even keep up anymore. (Unless you have thousands of dollars to invest into phones). I just bought a droid Charge in August 2011 and pretty much there are 3-4 phones out or that will be out that are better in the next 2 weeks.
Personally I think they are making to many phones to fast and they are not giving the older phones the updates they need. This could turn in to a major fail. Just wanted to hear some other peoples thoughts on this issue.
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The carriers will never update their phones as quickly as we would like, but we have CM7, Miui and other distributions to fix that.

Do you upgrade a laptop every 3-4 months? Likely not.
'phones' are becoming similar.
Also, Android being a powerful free OS allows many phone makers to get in on making a smartphone quite quickly. This is a good thing, not a bad one.
I dont go to the food store and complain there are too many different types of bread. Choice is a luxury.
/firstworldproblems

There is a problem.
The problem isnt choice or speed of new handsets. Its the fact these handset makers seem to be going out of there way to hold back features just to create more options.
Nearly every choice you make you sacrifice something that shouldnt be. This last year Samsung was incredibly guilty of that.
We shouldnt have to pick between the phone with the best camera or the best screen 3g or 4g when theyre released with identical specs within a few weeks/months of each other.
You end up with a situation where IMO since 3GS/NexusOne were both available at same time theres basically no best handset to get. They all have some glaring downside that often seems intentional. Nexus Galaxy having weak gpu/pentile screen/5mp camera for a flasgship phone is the calling card of this awful trend.
Hopefully Google buying Moto means a true flagship android phone will be out in the future. HTCs lousy digitizer selection , and Samsungs half assed approach really are getting on my nerves.
Win7 just needs more options PERIOD.

Actually I'm happy I'm a reviewer and I get all the newest models for a week only. I never have to regret my choice and invest in next generations and upgrades.
That's why I chose a mid-tier device - If review phones must be wiped, I can still keep my data on my Ace and customize how I want.
It's good that technology is moving so fast. You buy a thing, but there are many others that haven't bought this thing. If they were iPhoners, they would have to wait until June (or October in 4s case) till the next model.
But Androiders and WP7ists just go in the store and buy tech that is up to date, because it is released just weeks ago and so specs are always at its zenith.

Phone manufacturers are really going out of control. They produce phones with specs that are missing, then include them in their next offerings. but then they produce phones which are pretty much the same as the ones before except for 1 or 2 upgrades to increase sales.
They like to make their products 'diverse' but if you look on the bird's eye view of it. It becomes clear that they are just going for quantity without quality products.
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
Better buy a product which suits you for the next year or two

I think it's great, actually. People only THINK they need the latest and greatest device, when they don't. I rather have 5 new phones come out in a 2 week period than having to wait for something for a year or so. With android, there's little chance of you not finding the PERFECT phone for you. (Mines is the SK4G, I can care less about any other phone now)
The only problem I see with rapid phone releases is updates. I highly doubt the Sidekick 4G, even with it coming out earlier this year, will see ICS... let alone Gingerbread, because they're forgotten about/ not important enough.
Honestly, if you have a rooted GB device, and it runs how you like it, do you need to worry about the newer phones?

yujin_11 said:
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
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Because, short of Apple and their ability as a small company producing both hardware and software,there is not profit in that. Companies are out to make money, it is not their fault that the wealthy people of the world have decided that they must have the latest phone no matter what, that's on the consumer.

I bought a Nexus One in April 2010 and I've not felt tempted to replace it before now because it runs Gingerbread and newer phones didn't seem to offer that much more.
However, the release of the Galaxy Note with the stylus for accurate screen pointing and screen large enough and with sufficient resolution to display entire Web page makes an upgrade now worthwhile to me. Zooming and panning a small phone screen across a Web page to find specific points of interest is a pain and I look forward to leaving that experience behind.

zerocool79346 said:
Because, short of Apple and their ability as a small company producing both hardware and software,there is not profit in that. Companies are out to make money, it is not their fault that the wealthy people of the world have decided that they must have the latest phone no matter what, that's on the consumer.
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^What he said

yujin_11 said:
Phone manufacturers are really going out of control. They produce phones with specs that are missing, then include them in their next offerings. but then they produce phones which are pretty much the same as the ones before except for 1 or 2 upgrades to increase sales.
They like to make their products 'diverse' but if you look on the bird's eye view of it. It becomes clear that they are just going for quantity without quality products.
Why don't they just drop down a killer phone whose specs will stay for at most 2 years?
Better buy a product which suits you for the next year or two
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Because if they play apple's game, they will lose horribly. Apple is apple, and apple is the standard whether you like it or not. When a average person compares a phone, what does he compare it to? The iPhone of course. So a manufacturer will not survive if they only release a oh so powerful phone every year or two, simply because they do not have nearly as much of a fan base apple has.

it's really awesome imo
always something to be excited about
I love waiting for a phone I've been wanting to drop in price, and while I wait, an even better phone gets released lmao

http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them

Kailkti said:
Because if they play apple's game, they will lose horribly. Apple is apple, and apple is the standard whether you like it or not. When a average person compares a phone, what does he compare it to? The iPhone of course. So a manufacturer will not survive if they only release a oh so powerful phone every year or two, simply because they do not have nearly as much of a fan base apple has.
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I think it is this statement that sums it all up. Very well said.

build quality and bugz

short story::my phone needs replacing Baad...
all phones i consider are expensive yet have biig probs..
either build quality, light bleeds, creaks.. some important features touted by manufacturers just dont work;.. amaze rec'd audio etc..
seems like ppl put up w/ probs that kill a percentage of usabilities that are not disclosed at time of purchase..
phones already obsolete w/in several months, so it seems like they should be built well and all features work w/o surprises..
for now i mainly care about htc amaze but im spooked for some build quality issues and features not working well..
i will wait to see what samsung nexus galaxy shakes out, but im not confident about samsung...
tahnx

amkaos said:
short story::my phone needs replacing Baad...
all phones i consider are expensive yet have biig probs..
either build quality, light bleeds, creaks.. some important features touted by manufacturers just dont work;.. amaze rec'd audio etc..
seems like ppl put up w/ probs that kill a percentage of usabilities that are not disclosed at time of purchase..
phones already obsolete w/in several months, so it seems like they should be built well and all features work w/o surprises..
for now i mainly care about htc amaze but im spooked for some build quality issues and features not working well..
i will wait to see what samsung nexus galaxy shakes out, but im not confident about samsung...
tahnx
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All issues I never had outside of android.

z33dev33l said:
All issues I never had outside of android.
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Right, because your phone is obsolete before it gets unboxed!

For what reason? My processor is outdated? The only reason phones even have such processors is because android can barely remain usable without it. My phone runs much smoother on my 1.4 GHz processor and mine will continue to receive updates. Man, it's awesome to have a phone that won't be bested in another week or two.

z33dev33l said:
All issues I never had outside of android.
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Coincidentally, I never had any of those issues with Android. Hmm..
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For what reason? My processor is outdated? The only reason phones even have such processors is because android can barely remain usable without it. My phone runs much smoother on my 1.4 GHz processor and mine will continue to receive updates. Man, it's awesome to have a phone that won't be bested in another week or two.
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Just because a newer phone is released does not make your phone any less good. You are stuck in a consumer mindset. It would be for your benefit to change that, otherwise you'll actually feel like your phone is crap after a new one is released—although, to be honest, that would explain every bad thing you've ever said about Android.
Android is quite usable, in my opinion. And while your phone may run smooth with that processor, it probably couldn't handle the processor-intensive tasks that newer, up-to-date phones could. That is a selling feature for some people, believe it or not.

upichie said:
Coincidentally, I never had any of those issues with Android. Hmm..
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What phone do you have?
Kudos on avoiding HTC.

z33dev33l said:
What phone do you have?
Kudos on avoiding HTC.
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Oh, you were talking about HTC? I could have sworn you generalized all Android devices...
z33dev33l said:
All issues I never had outside of android.
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Yep, you sure did.

z33dev33l said:
What phone do you have?
Kudos on avoiding HTC.
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HTC Glacier...0 issues.

sounds like you are complaining about HTC
there are plenty of other manufactures to move onto
how about the new toilet proof Motorola Razr ?
it will sure keep dusts at bay
amkaos said:
short story::my phone needs replacing Baad...
all phones i consider are expensive yet have biig probs..
either build quality, light bleeds, creaks.. some important features touted by manufacturers just dont work;.. amaze rec'd audio etc..
seems like ppl put up w/ probs that kill a percentage of usabilities that are not disclosed at time of purchase..
phones already obsolete w/in several months, so it seems like they should be built well and all features work w/o surprises..
for now i mainly care about htc amaze but im spooked for some build quality issues and features not working well..
i will wait to see what samsung nexus galaxy shakes out, but im not confident about samsung...
tahnx
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Oh I was talking about all android devices, HTC is just the worst of them. Each time they release a device, they release one a month or two later to trump them. When I was using android I literally had a new phone at least every 1-2 months. Their phones aren't made for the long run, they'll stop updating them and have new hardware out in a couple of months. Pretty much no OEM support at all after they leave their door. The glacier was cool when it was the alternative to the iPhone for decent video calling, now that that's largely unimportant the glacier is just another dated piece of hardware forgotten by HTC.

z33dev33l said:
Oh I was talking about all android devices, HTC is just the worst of them. Each time they release a device, they release one a month or two later to trump them. When I was using android I literally had a new phone at least every 1-2 months. Their phones aren't made for the long run, they'll stop updating them and have new hardware out in a couple of months. Pretty much no OEM support at all after they leave their door. The glacier was cool when it was the alternative to the iPhone for decent video calling, now that that's largely unimportant the glacier is just another dated piece of hardware forgotten by HTC.
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My current daily driver is nearing 2 years old now, and still has better hardware than phones released today (which doesn't matter, since better phones are out, right?). It received major updates multiple times throughout it's life, and thanks to it being an Android phone, I can continue to update it myself whenever I feel the need to do (which is a downside, because it somehow no longer works out of the box even after multiple updates, right?). I also never use a case, and it doesn't even have a scratch on it (which is unimpressive, since Nokia's are actually so scratch-resistant, that if you attempt to scratch it, it'll actually scratch you... right?).
But you're right. Build quality? Hardware? OEM support? Magic tricks? Clearly, Android pales in comparison to the competition (when you ignore facts).

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Oh I was talking about all android devices, HTC is just the worst of them. Each time they release a device, they release one a month or two later to trump them. When I was using android I literally had a new phone at least every 1-2 months. Their phones aren't made for the long run, they'll stop updating them and have new hardware out in a couple of months. Pretty much no OEM support at all after they leave their door. The glacier was cool when it was the alternative to the iPhone for decent video calling, now that that's largely unimportant the glacier is just another dated piece of hardware forgotten by HTC.
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Please tell me how it is a dated piece of hardware? It is on the current version of Android, it has a decent camera, it has a chip good enough to do what is available right now. As far as single core phones go, it is about as good as it gets.

While I agree that Android feels a bit rougher around the edges, iPhone and WP7 have bugs too. In fact show me a perfect OS and I'll fill_in_the_blank.
Your old dumb phone did 2-3 things, so bugs were easy to hash out. Smartphones can do ALOT more than laptops and their still in their relative infancy.
Your hardware issues however are the result of manufacture price cutting and a "get it out the door now" philosophy. It's a problem facing ALL manufactures. My battery cover started creaking 2 months after I bought it (no I didn't drop it).
To your point, yes cheap sh*t sold for top dollar is the norm.

Worst phone in my entire life

This is hands down the worst phone that I have ever owned in my entire life. There are tons of
1) Biggest problem is definitely the home button. This alone makes the phone totally unusable. Want to use the GPS while driving? Well forget about cause you are going to get in to a car crash trying to set everything right with this home button thing going on.
2) randomly says I don't have a sim card while I haven't touch my simcard at all. And I only find out about this when I check my phone and by then I could have been unavailable for a couple hours. Well whats the point of a mobile phone then if you aren't always available. This is btw not a rom issue
3) Battery. I never get more then 1-2 hours of screen time on a 14 hour stretch. The iphone 5 gets 8 hours of browsing time.
4) Can't hear my phone ringing while out in public. The speaker is just pathetic.
5) paint problem of the black htc one s. Come on man. In the end I just sanded everything down. But that makes those cheap plastic bits stand out. Not to mention all the dust and gunk thats building up around and under these plastic bits. I can't see the LED light either unless I am viewing it directly from above. The design just isn't there. Although samsung isn't better either in that department. But the iphone just does it right.
7) Rom development sucks but I have no choice because sense sucks even harder.
It is unbelievable that HTC just can't get the elementary things right. My phone is totally unusable and it has been a miracle that I have surved this past 5 months on this POS. HTC lost a customer. I wasted 500 euro on this POS.

Sorry for thay. So what phone u got now?
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i have none of those problems, go get an iphone and be happy

Well I am probably going to get the iphone 5. Which I actually don't really want to do because its just expensive and its not really going to be a major upgrade compared to the HTC one S in terms of speed and the apps I use and even the screen.
But what choice do I have?

Well since i love Samsung i suggest u choose Samsung Galaxy Note 2 or SIII... Its less than the iPhone 5 but more function... Since u mention function.... These phone are the best... Well if u like iPhone application then choose iPhone.. But i suggest Samsung SIII or Galaxy Note2
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You give of about the black model chipping etc. well the iphone 5 is no better, has the exact same problem, in fact probably worse.
I have not encountered any of those issues that you have mentioned, my black phone (older design) is still in perfect condition apart from the USB port area, easily the best battery life currently (4-6 hours on screen time [manual control] spread across 1-3 days usually), only phone to top it is the iphone 5, although iOS does no more as much as android i.e. the multi-tasking and the hardware is more power efficient and the software/drivers are better optimized.
I do agree with you on the NLED though.
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Just noticed who the OP is........ *sigh*
Move onto the iphone already for god sake, you moan and moan and moan about the phone all the time and keep going on about how iphone better etc. as I told you before sell the one S and get yourself an iphone, such a simple solution........
BTW, fed up with the ROM development? Then educate yourself and you go and make a better ROM then!
TBH starting to think you are just one big troll.

Oh god not you again.
Sell your phone and get an iPhone. It's clear you're an iSheep so flock with the crowd.
You have opened numerous threads, moaning and complaining your iPhone is better, so for the better good of the earth, save yourself the typing and get an iPhone.
Sent from my locked, tampered ville

carlos_abril_94 said:
i have none of those problems, go get an iphone and be happy
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I have also not encountered any of these problems. In fact, i'd say the HTC one S is the best phone ive ever owned. I find android superior to ios in many ways. Just my opinion.

Soo if you're disappointed with the development on the 1S, wait until you see how many options you have with the iPhone .
I personally have never had any of those issues, and while I come from an HD2 which probably had the most rom options of any phone, I find that we at least have quality over quantity. TrickDroid, Viper, Energy, and oh a little thing called OFFICIAL CM10! Thanks I'll subdue my flashaholic ways of the past for a great stable Rom with lots of cool features.
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Jesus man. The fanboyism here is super high. You guys are in denial.
And I can show thousands of pictures of my battery life. I can show you tons of threads about issues that people have with this phone. The home button thing is a major issue and you guys are denying that. Unbelievable.
This is not about android vs ios. Android JB is superior to iOS6 except in the gaming department. But none of these manufacturers can make a decent phone. SGS3? Great specs but its still a cheap plastic toy phone. Even if I was into plastic I'd still don't know how well the user experience is. Thats one thing I have learned from using the One S. Even though the one S is infinitely faster than my old iphone4. The iphone is still the superior phone. Its in the small details.
Battery life, volume of speakers, volume of headphone jack, bugs in software, battery charging time, unibody design, support. The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing. Especially not with this generation of phones where nowadays everything is blazing fast anyway

Go away troll!
no one is being a fanboy, we are just fed up with your stupid BS you keep spreading every month in a new thread despite being proven wrong with many people saying they don't have these problems.........
You experience these issues with some others, however, once again just because you and some other people experience these issues does not mean that everyone also has the same problems. People only ever report the bad stuff, hardly ever the good stuff.
I can show you videos, photos of my mobile (and I already have shown you plenty of battery screenshots with detailed usage), but it doesn't matter because you will still go on and on about how this phone sucks, how iphone is better blah blah, followed by more diarrhea from your mouth.
I have no problem with battery, touch button issue, volume/speakers/headphones (get better headphones!), what bugs in the software? My signal is more or less perfect as well as wifi connection, unibody design as I said no marks on mine apart from USB port.
Once again, why do you not sell the one S, all you do is moan and complain about it, sell and buy something else? Why is that so hard to do?
BTW do you honestly think people would keep a phone if they experienced that touch button issue? No matter how much of a fanboy someone is, they won't put up with that ****. I for one wouldn't so why would be denying this issue as well as the others?
You don't like the support, then you do something to improve it or better yet, move to a phone that has got better support i.e. nexus, GS 3 etc.

wilcoholic said:
Jesus man. The fanboyism here is super high. You guys are in denial.
And I can show thousands of pictures of my battery life. I can show you tons of threads about issues that people have with this phone. The home button thing is a major issue and you guys are denying that. Unbelievable.
This is not about android vs ios. Android JB is superior to iOS6 except in the gaming department. But none of these manufacturers can make a decent phone. SGS3? Great specs but its still a cheap plastic toy phone. Even if I was into plastic I'd still don't know how well the user experience is. Thats one thing I have learned from using the One S. Even though the one S is infinitely faster than my old iphone4. The iphone is still the superior phone. Its in the small details.
Battery life, volume of speakers, volume of headphone jack, bugs in software, battery charging time, unibody design, support. The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing. Especially not with this generation of phones where nowadays everything is blazing fast anyway
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"The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing." Troll much? I don't own a One S but i saw this post as i was scrolling down to the One X section and i must say you are a pathetic troll, as far as i know only the One S has a dual core Krait, the one with the quad core is the One X and i believe someone who is at XDA and knows about Custom Roms at least know what processor their phone has.

I can't stop checking this thread. It's like slowing down on the freeway to see a car accident. I have never, in my life, hated a product so much that I just vent and vent and vent without doing something about it. Based on my recent experience as a new parent, I'd say someone needs a new diaper, a nap and a nice shiny anodized (please ignore the chips and dents) iPhone pacifier.

People will always complain, WE know our device is a great fully functional device
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Haha I recently purchased the HOS but I definitely do not have any of the issues mentioned on the forum.
I mean okay, in reality, if people are content with their product, they usually won't need to ask questions or post help threads until necessary which is when their phone malfunctions or encounters a problem. So I'm guessing there are actually more happy owners out there in comparison with owners with issues.
AND. although I wish the development on this phone was better, I can't really complain as it has everything I both need or want (well battery life can always be better).

vcrp94 said:
"The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing." Troll much? I don't own a One S but i saw this post as i was scrolling down to the One X section and i must say you are a pathetic troll, as far as i know only the One S has a dual core Krait, the one with the quad core is the One X and i believe someone who is at XDA and knows about Custom Roms at least know what processor their phone has.
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I wasn't talking about the ONE S! I mentioned quad cores cause that sounds infinitely more next gen and awesome and futuristic then a measly dual core. It was to make a point. CPUs nowadays don't matter cause I can't tell the difference between the last gen CPU's (Nexus S, iphone4s) and current CPU's (a6, s4 krait, quad cores from nvidea and samsung) in day to day usages.
Where did I say that the One S has a quad core? You just went full retard!

AndrewAmazed said:
Haha I recently purchased the HOS but I definitely do not have any of the issues mentioned on the forum.
I mean okay, in reality, if people are content with their product, they usually won't need to ask questions or post help threads until necessary which is when their phone malfunctions or encounters a problem. So I'm guessing there are actually more happy owners out there in comparison with owners with issues.
AND. although I wish the development on this phone was better, I can't really complain as it has everything I both need or want (well battery life can always be better).
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Yea most of the complainers are really just a small bunch compared to the ones who actually are content, I only rooted mine out of boredom (boredom in life not with the phone lol) otherwise I would've been fine with it out of the box, why? Because mine had no problems, all the problems came after flashing roms and what not but that risk I was willing to take and I'm still left with a flawless device
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I had too had problems with the one S, but I will NEVER swap it with iPhone garbage. The one S has options of customizations. iPhone doesn't. I think speak for everyone when I say being locked into iTunes just sucks!

You know what makes a troll go away? When you ignore them. Please, don't feed the troll. It's better this way...

wilcoholic said:
Jesus man. The fanboyism here is super high. You guys are in denial.
And I can show thousands of pictures of my battery life. I can show you tons of threads about issues that people have with this phone. The home button thing is a major issue and you guys are denying that. Unbelievable.
This is not about android vs ios. Android JB is superior to iOS6 except in the gaming department. But none of these manufacturers can make a decent phone. SGS3? Great specs but its still a cheap plastic toy phone. Even if I was into plastic I'd still don't know how well the user experience is. Thats one thing I have learned from using the One S. Even though the one S is infinitely faster than my old iphone4. The iphone is still the superior phone. Its in the small details.
Battery life, volume of speakers, volume of headphone jack, bugs in software, battery charging time, unibody design, support. The user experience is everything and quad core means nothing. Especially not with this generation of phones where nowadays everything is blazing fast anyway
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I have four of these phones, for my mom, my sister, my niece and me plus i have 3 friends who have this phone and none of us ever seen this home button issue. I just hope it's not something that starts up after a while of using it.