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HTC Sensation official - HTC London Live Event

Looks like the best choice for those looking to upgrade to native Android on a dual core beast
Think I'll be holding on to my HD2 for an extra month as my upgrade is middle of May but will be released in mid June on official carrier partners so fingers crossed O2.
Read the live blog now: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/12/live-from-htcs-april-12th-event/
Looks like a great phone to me and my ideal replacement.

Not impressed
I'm a bit disappointed to be honest. The Galaxy S 2 either matches or beats this phone in almost every respect. It's shorter, thinner and a lot lighter. It has 33% more RAM, and 16 times the onboard storage. The front camera has more than double the pixel count, and it has NFC support. While the HTC has a slightly higher screen resolution, it has a smaller screen area than the S2 because it has a higher aspect ratio (i.e. it's narrower).
It seems HTC can't even play catch-up very well now.

I think the Pyramid (I'm not keen on the new sensation name) is gonna be my next phone, though my upgrade isn't till next year so maybe something shinier will be around by then.
I have to admit the spec on the Galaxy S2 is impressive but i'm not feeling the looks. It honestly looks like a poorly executed iPhone4

Moandal said:
I'm a bit disappointed to be honest. The Galaxy S 2 either matches or beats this phone in almost every respect. It's shorter, thinner and a lot lighter. It has 33% more RAM, and 16 times the onboard storage. The front camera has more than double the pixel count, and it has NFC support. While the HTC has a slightly higher screen resolution, it has a smaller screen area than the S2 because it has a higher aspect ratio (i.e. it's narrower).
It seems HTC can't even play catch-up very well now.
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The samsung might be good on paper but living with them is a different story,ive had an i8910.looked great on paper at the time,great looking phone but build quility,a major let down,had 3 in total and gave up and got a htc hero at the time,htcs go on for years,much better built

I'm also not keen on the current Galaxy S's screen as comes across with a blue tint, the AMOLED screen doesn't seem to do white well at all. I'm guessing it'll be similar on the S2. Yeah it's smaller, lighter and thinner but I'm not keen on plastic phones tend to break easier, my HD2 has been dropped numerous times and survived with little evidence. I'm liking the Sensation alot regardless of paper comparisons.

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I had a samsung galaxy s and sold it with in 48 hours. I've had so many htc phones and really haven't had a complaint yet. plus htc just purchased cwm, so they care about our community here. And that's the most important to me.
On a side note. Tried the atrix and only liked the web top and hdmi out features. Sold it on the same day I got it. Still rocking the hd2.

Had my G1 up until about 3 months ago when i sold it for 150 and bought my brand new hd2. I am currently available for an upgrade on Tmobile. This will be my next new phone. I hope the 1500 ma battery can hang. I'm wondering if maybe the evo ed's 1750 ma battery will fit the sensation. If that is the case this is gonna be a great phone. It will be a great phone even if it doesnt fit. Since this is clearly a flagship phone I'm sure someone will make a case with the extra battery built in. I'm pumped for this phone. Congrats to me!

if you are claiming to be a high-end phone, and want to be acknowledged as such - and you don't have a freaking flash - you are immediately withdrawn from contention IMO. Therefore the Galaxy is not part of the discussion. I am tired of companies making phones they way they see fit and ignoring the basic needs of the consumers.
With that said, though I like what I am seeing, I am going to have to see what goes on with the AT& T merger. I can see them sneaking some language in there about having to roll over to AT&T if I get that particular phone. If T-mo DOES NOT merge this will be my next phone unless HTC or Motorola is coming out with a phone that sports Tegra for graphics/games.
Until then it will be me and my HD2.

The sensation will be my next phone for sure.
The biggest point for me is the qHD screen! I prefer the resolution over the SGS II as well as the body quality.
Doesn't hurt that there's dual mics for stereo recording of videos

My next phone. Period.
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steve austin said:
if you are claiming to be a high-end phone, and want to be acknowledged as such - and you don't have a freaking flash - you are immediately withdrawn from contention IMO. Therefore the Galaxy is not part of the discussion. I am tired of companies making phones they way they see fit and ignoring the basic needs of the consumers.
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What are you talking about? The Galaxy S 2 most certainly has Adobe Flash 10.1.

Moandal said:
What are you talking about? The Galaxy S 2 most certainly has Adobe Flash 10.1.
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excuse me, flash for the camera. most of the world, with cell phones, don't live where there is daylight 24/7. utilization of facebook and other social media sites are major factors when considering a phone. to not have a flash, in 2011, is beyond asinine - irrespective of other specs and features.

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What are you talking about? The Galaxy S 2 most certainly has Adobe Flash 10.1.
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He's talking about camera flash. I was going to get this phone, but I decide to get the evo 3d. Sexier looking and has 1gig compared to 768 of sensation

t-mo recently sent me a text about upgrading to the Galaxy. Essentially, giving me an early upgrade option. I hope they do that with this phone (barring any merger shenanigans)

mattfmartin said:
He's talking about camera flash. I was going to get this phone, but I decide to get the evo 3d. Sexier looking and has 1gig compared to 768 of sensation
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thank you.
On the EVO note. I am really going to compare the EVO 3d and the Sensation. That merger might give me the get out of jail free card I need.

steve austin said:
thank you.
On the EVO note. I am really going to compare the EVO 3d and the Sensation. That merger might give me the get out of jail free card I need.
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Exactly what I was thinking, with the whole merger that it's going to be going down in the future.

mattfmartin said:
He's talking about camera flash.
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But it's got that too, so I still don't understand.

DarkStone1337 said:
The sensation will be my next phone for sure.
The biggest point for me is the qHD screen! I prefer the resolution over the SGS II as well as the body quality.
Doesn't hurt that there's dual mics for stereo recording of videos
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I know that you said you probably wouldn't have time to cook anything again but I always held hope that you would return with another completely innovative idea. Sad to know that you won't even be in this section anymore. Maybe that means I'll have to by a Pyramid and keep hoping over there .

any ideas if telstra or any other att 3g compatible carrier will be getting this? if so it will be my next phone.

Sensation will be this years phone, and i ll buy it.
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[Q] Could HTC have made the Sensation better?

First off, I am an HTC fan. I am intensely brand loyal so please DO NOT begin with Hater/fanboy retorts. This is not why I created this thread. I actually have questions, that I hope some of you can answer/weigh in on objectively for me. Here goes.
I have been waiting to upgrade from my HD2 for almost a year now. The HD2 was my first HTC phone and I was hooked on its build quality and versatility. I had been really excited about the Sensation until i saw some of its specs and equipment. Of note, there are three key areas that are of vital importance to me: Ram, Storage and Battery.
I "assumed" that the Sensation, being a flagship phones, was going to blow the doors off anything in the dual core category. But after seeing these spec comparisons (http://firstain.com/index.php/2011/...roid-bionic-vs-lg-optimus-3d-thrill-4g-fight/) not only does the sensation not lead, but up against its primary competition, it trails the Galaxy and even its won Cousin, the EVO 3D, in these categories making it third. More importantly it comes with the smallest internal memory of ALL the phones being compared...
1. My first question and observation is this. If the EVO 3D has 1 gig RAM and 4gigs internal, why did they NOT do this for the Sensation? This could have been accomplished. Why was it not at least matched to make the phone better?
2. With regards to RAM an its significance see the attached videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrCWYZkQRIo. (Go to the 7:35 mark). Why would a flagship phone be so limited out of the gate? This could have been addressed to make the phone better correct?
3. In terms of memory and how fast the phone will process functions, this comes from a review posted here:
"Flaws in this whole situation include the fact that while the Galaxy S II pairs its 1.2GHz dual-core with 1GB of RAM, the HTC Sensation uses just 768MB. Samsung’s device has 16GB of memory packed in, while HTC makes due with just 1GB. There’s an 8GB microSD card in there, but you can add a bunch more memory to the GSII the same way if you want. Davies notes the truth: “[T]here’s just no way that even a fast microSDHC card can be as quick as NANDFlash connected directly to the logic board, and that leaves the Sensation at a speed disadvantage.”
Do you buy what the reviewer is saying as opinion or fact? If fact, then, again, why is this offering by HTC not just below the Samsung rival, but that of the EVO 3D with its 1 gig RAM and 4 gig memory? Just questions, no flames please.
Lastly, anyone can attest, that has used a 4.3 inch HTC screen, that a primary complaint is battery life. I dare say that HTC customers make up the majority of people who put the Current Widget app on the map. We are always looking for tips and tricks to squeeze more juice out of the battery. With the screen being the biggest hog, I was sure that HTC would address this with the Sensation. Again, to their credit they did, but again in comparison to the Galaxy, EVO 3d and almost every other battery in the links above, is next to last.
Techradar's HTC Sensation Battery Review:
"We've always been slightly confused by HTC phones when it comes to the battery life, as they seem to offer wildly different experiences depending on who is using them it seems.
The HTC Desire was fine for us when it came to lasting a day, but others found it would be dead by 7PM. The Desire HD was more universally panned for a poor battery, but still some chastised our verdict of it being unacceptable.
Well, it's going to happen again with the HTC Sensation, as the battery life, to us, seems woeful and not up to scratch. We're talking dead by 8PM with no push email, minimal Wi-Fi and about 30 mins of music and video at the most.
We've cycled it a few times to see if it can be improved, but the same things happens: it holds charge averagely well mostly, but then will get very warm and discharge at a rate of 10% per hour... which is a familiar scenario with the Desire HD.
We constantly kept the applications killed and the notifications to a minimum - but it seems only turning off the background synchronisation altogether helped the issue. And don't even think about hammering the camera in the middle of the day, or you'll be without a phone come the evening for sure.
That said, we're going to request another sample to test this out with, as it's probably the poorest experience we've had on an HTC device so far, so it's only fair we test to make sure it wasn't just a diff unit.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pho...-943466/review?artc_pg=7
Again, I am brand loyal so I will be buying another HTC phone, but to be honest, these three areas were major concerns when I bought the hd2 and still are impacting me since I still use it. I will probably hold off on the Sensation because I don't want another "hd2/hd7" situation happening again. I want the best that htc can offer and I don't think they did that "IMO."I just want to know what you think the reasons are for the lack of details to the Sensation - in particular since the EVO 3D will not have theses problems. Thanks in advance.
PS - I know no phones is "perfect". This is being asked in light of technology today and expectations of HTC's manufacturing expertise.

simply put yes...

Of course they could have made it better. 1GB of RAM, 8GB of internal memory and a 1900 MAh battery like the Atrix. They could also have put a better screen in it (see Engadget's review: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/27/htc-sensation-review/). Anyways, I think the battery life is acceptable, as it can last a full day on heavy use and I'm already used to charge every night.

giorgisp said:
Of course they could have made it better. 1GB of RAM, 8GB of internal memory and a 1900 MAh battery like the Atrix. They could also have put a better screen in it (see Engadget's review: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/27/htc-sensation-review/). Anyways, I think the battery life is acceptable, as it can last a full day on heavy use and I'm already used to charge every night.
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yeah, the thinking behind the features is a bit of a head scratcher to me. especially since I see the specs of the Evo 3D. maybe reaching the specs of the Atrix was not their intent with, but I the EVO clearly shows that they "could have" done a bit more for the Sensation. Its the "why not" that is thorn in my side. thanks.

It all comes down to sales and HTC will spec the phone to maximise their profit.
Some of us here at XDA will want the best of everything and be happy to pay for it.
But out in the rest of the world HTC have to be competative , and adding these upgrades will increase the handset price, and price for most people is a real factor in choosing a handset.
Between the SGS2 and the sensation there is very little differnce when you are using it, sure we can compare benchmarks and see a small difference but in the hand of the average consumer i think not. So HTC marketing team have estimated that this is the best set of features and price to maximise sales.

rumpleforeskin said:
It all comes down to sales and HTC will spec the phone to maximise their profit.
Some of us here at XDA will want the best of everything and be happy to pay for it.
But out in the rest of the world HTC have to be competative , and adding these upgrades will increase the handset price, and price for most people is a real factor in choosing a handset.
Between the SGS2 and the sensation there is very little differnce when you are using it, sure we can compare benchmarks and see a small difference but in the hand of the average consumer i think not. So HTC marketing team have estimated that this is the best set of features and price to maximise sales.
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First of all, thanks for the reply. I guess I have a hard time with this logic since I can clearly see that the EVO 3D is a step above the Sensation - and is coming to the market at the same time. Again, when I posed this question it stemmed from the fact that I have visual evidence of HTC having the capabilities to create a device that is on par or above the Galaxy.
I am just talking feature for feature. And in the three categories - that were important to me - the sensation was created below the bar. (Notice I DID NOT QUOTE BENCHMAARKS on purpose because I am willing to let the quadrant people make an app that "accurately" measures dual cores). The EVO and the Sensation will be priced relatively the same so I don't get the price factor making a difference. Hell, give me the specs of the EVO 3d and I will be the first in line on the 8th. That is all.

What I will say is...
When the Desire HD Came out... people warned against buying it simply because people considered it a "stop gap" in lue of upcomming dual cores.
After seeing the HTC Sensation I will NOT be purchasing it. This phone is a HUGE let down comming from the Desire HD.
I will wait till the IPhone 5 comes out and when HTC will release a TRUE Flagship phone.
BTW Dumb poll options.
Add : No will not purchase.
Most reviews are giving the phone lower then 8. Desire HD got 9-10/10.
My inspire 4G has a better screen then the Sensation.

I just don't get why they wouldn't put a gig of ram like they did on the EVO 3D. That's my main (and probably only) gripe. I guess they could have put more internal storage, but that's not a big deal. Engadget said in their testings that the battery life was better than what they got on the SGS II, so I guess it depends on who you ask.

Maedhros said:
What I will say is...
When the Desire HD Came out... people warned against buying it simply because people considered it a "stop gap" in lue of upcomming dual cores.
After seeing the HTC Sensation I will NOT be purchasing it. This phone is a HUGE let down comming from the Desire HD.
I will wait till the IPhone 5 comes out and when HTC will release a TRUE Flagship phone.
BTW Dumb poll options.
Add : No will not purchase.
Most reviews are giving the phone lower then 8. Desire HD got 9-10/10.
My inspire 4G has a better screen then the Sensation.
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I am actually more dumbfounded than anything. I too was awaiting the arrival of this super phone but really am clueless about this phone in light of the EVO 3D's specs. I will wait as well. However, knowing HTC, they will release the proper sensation equivalent on at&t as a makeup for that crappy Inspire. Grrrrrrrr.
BTW, thanks for your "eloquent" poll suggestion. I tried to edit the post but did not see the option.

aNYthing24 said:
I just don't get why they wouldn't put a gig of ram like they did on the EVO 3D. That's my main (and probably only) gripe. I guess they could have put more internal storage, but that's not a big deal. Engadget said in their testings that the battery life was better than what they got on the SGS II, so I guess it depends on who you ask.
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“[T]here’s just no way that even a fast microSDHC card can be as quick as NANDFlash connected directly to the logic board, and that leaves the Sensation at a speed disadvantage.”
According to this, more internal memory would be extremely beneficial speed wise. For the simple fact that its dubbed the "flag ship" you would think they would add internal memory as a basic premium. Guess not.

The evo 3d only has more ram cause of the actual 3d recording and pictures ability. If the evo 3d has 4 gig rom then most likely it has only 1 gig accessible to the user. Cause the system and the nand need memory space as well.
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steve austin said:
I am actually more dumbfounded than anything. I too was awaiting the arrival of this super phone but really am clueless about this phone in light of the EVO 3D's specs. I will wait as well. However, knowing HTC, they will release the proper sensation equivalent on at&t as a makeup for that crappy Inspire. Grrrrrrrr.
BTW, thanks for your "eloquent" poll suggestion. I tried to edit the post but did not see the option.
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Hm.. not sure how to edit polls sorry!
I agree... I dont think the Sensation is a true upgrade from the Desire HD.... For 1, the SLCD is inferior to the One on the Inspire 4G. Secondly Aluminum UniBody what??? I havent held the phone so I cant give an accurate representation however when I imagine Uni Body I immagine...Desire HD and HTC Legend! To me the Sensation looks like its not a Unibody simply because half of it comes off I cant say if any1 else will agree with me, but people who have used the phone say that it does no have the same sturdy feel as the Desire HD.
It seems to me as if HTC took what was good with the Desire HD and just doubled it. And sure that is a good formual... but when all of your competiion is doubling + improving it... doubling alone is not enough.
ATM even if u have the original Desire I would say skip on the HTC Sensation.
**Just so its clear I am a HTC Fanboy, but srsly... HTC has been doing this sort of stuff from the Windows Mobile Days... its getting really ridicules. Don't want to see this happening on Android.
Edit: For those who dont know what I mean.. .In Win Mobil days with HTC u generally brought phones every 2 Generations... simply because between generations there was not a very big difference between phones.
I feel HTC may again start doing this with Android... and it is very disappointing!

steve austin said:
However, knowing HTC, they will release the proper sensation equivalent on at&t as a makeup for that crappy Inspire. Grrrrrrrr.
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Haha, they basically are. It's called the HTC Holiday. The only difference I've seen in the specs is that it has a 4.5" screen and 1 GB of RAM. I'd link an article, but I don't have enough posts.

aNYthing24 said:
Haha, they basically are. It's called the HTC Holiday. The only difference I've seen in the specs is that it has a 4.5" screen and 1 GB of RAM. I'd link an article, but I don't have enough posts.
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Cheekie bastids!
Grrrrrrrrr!

The one thing I have to add is that RAM is relatively power hungry, so this may have been a factor after some poor battery performances in HTC phones recently.
After using this phone for a week, I can safely say It's not had any performance problems in my usage (web, gaming, video streaming, music playing, online purchases through apps, SIP and voice calls, 2g to WiFi connectivity). The only problem of note so far is that the music widget crashes Sense now and again, but having said that, it did with my HD2 on occasion too.
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Bottom line is that yes they could have made it better, but like others have said it's all down to sales.
While the world is trying to grab the fastest dual core phones which are at around 1.2ghz at the moment, don't think for a minute that the technology doesn't exist to make a 2.0ghz phone with 2gig of ram and even more internal storage with an even fatter battery, because not only does it exist but they are probably already testing it for future phones.
As consumers, we will get what we are given and have very little input as to what that will be, we can moan and moan at HTC or other companies but at the end of the day, it's always down to them.
The sensation will be a great phone i have no doubt but to move from the Desire HD for instance would be a mistake, the Evo 3d looks to be the better HTC phone on paper and will probably win overall when compared to the sensation.
There will be a tonne of people who will see this as the latest and greatest and will make HTC a load of cash so it's a win for HTC and a loss for us (the consumer) again.
Just hope that the dev's on XDA and other places can do their magic and make these phones work the way they were ment to, not how the likes of HTC think they should be, which imho is barely acceptable.

From what I have read, it looks like the Sensation has only the qHD upgraded from DHD, I am waiting for more deep reviews for the camera.
Speaker and screen sunlight performances are the same!
If only we could get a SGS2 with Sense 3.0...

i dont think ram is a big problem on this phone ...
i often get 170 mb free ram after kill all apps with taskmanager ...
i think when we need it we can get it .... especially if we want the most free ram we can get when we want to play games and stuff...
i dont think any app uses more than that at the moment

dladz said:
Bottom line is that yes they could have made it better, but like others have said it's all down to sales.
While the world is trying to grab the fastest dual core phones which are at around 1.2ghz at the moment, don't think for a minute that the technology doesn't exist to make a 2.0ghz phone with 2gig of ram and even more internal storage with an even fatter battery, because not only does it exist but they are probably already testing it for future phones.
As consumers, we will get what we are given and have very little input as to what that will be, we can moan and moan at HTC or other companies but at the end of the day, it's always down to them.
The sensation will be a great phone i have no doubt but to move from the Desire HD for instance would be a mistake, the Evo 3d looks to be the better HTC phone on paper and will probably win overall when compared to the sensation.
There will be a tonne of people who will see this as the latest and greatest and will make HTC a load of cash so it's a win for HTC and a loss for us (the consumer) again.
Just hope that the dev's on XDA and other places can do their magic and make these phones work the way they were ment to, not how the likes of HTC think they should be, which imho is barely acceptable.
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Samsung Galaxy S II breaks 1m sales record in Korea
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung...essor-in-1h-2011-plus-4g-galaxy-tab-20110530/
The article above clearly shows that you can make a quality product, "push" the envelop on current current technology, get great reviews, break sales records AND sell it a price higher than the Sensation. The technology is there and some company's are using it now.

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The one thing I have to add is that RAM is relatively power hungry, so this may have been a factor after some poor battery performances in HTC phones recently.
After using this phone for a week, I can safely say It's not had any performance problems in my usage (web, gaming, video streaming, music playing, online purchases through apps, SIP and voice calls, 2g to WiFi connectivity). The only problem of note so far is that the music widget crashes Sense now and again, but having said that, it did with my HD2 on occasion too.
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How many hours can you go performing theses functions before you have to charge up again?

[Q] HTC INCREDIBLE S or HTC SENSATION

I really can't beloved the amount of people who are slagging off the IS because it can't be unlocked yet.
DON'T BUY A PHONE EXPECTING THE DEV SCENE TO BE HUGE
The IS is a great phone, and if custom ROM's are the be all and end all for you then its your own fault for not doing research before buying it. The are far, far to many people round here with an expectation that fantastic ROM's and exploits just appear out of thin air, the people that produce them work very hard, and don't owe you anything.
Why don't ppl do some research and try and help, rather than just twiddling your thumbs and moaning until it happens?
Back on topic, I haven't used the Sensation so I can't compare them both, but it is unlikely to be a huge seller so you probably wont find a huge amount of work for it, even if it is unlocked. I love the IS and have no complaints about the hardware at all, but I must admit the sensation is sexy and they do run similar software.
The only thing I would say is if you want durability with the IS, get a case. The phone is a little fragile against drops without one
So Guys Help me out here
I am stuck between Incredible S and Sensation cant decide which one should i buy, i am switching from Samsung Omnia and want to try Android, phone should be durable good camera good battery and should be fast enough to play games on it, i really like the customization on HTC but camera is good on Sensation

Malik828 said:
I really can't beloved the amount of people who are slagging off the IS because it can't be unlocked yet.
DON'T BUY A PHONE EXPECTING THE DEV SCENE TO BE HUGE
The IS is a great phone, and if custom ROM's are the be all and end all for you then its your own fault for not doing research before buying it. The are far, far to many people round here with an expectation that fantastic ROM's and exploits just appear out of thin air, the people that produce them work very hard, and don't owe you anything.
Why don't ppl do some research and try and help, rather than just twiddling your thumbs and moaning until it happens?
Back on topic, I haven't used the Sensation so I can't compare them both, but it is unlikely to be a huge seller so you probably wont find a huge amount of work for it, even if it is unlocked. I love the IS and have no complaints about the hardware at all, but I must admit the sensation is sexy and they do run similar software.
The only thing I would say is if you want durability with the IS, get a case. The phone is a little fragile against drops without one
So Guys Help me out here
I am stuck between Incredible S and Sensation cant decide which one should i buy, i am switching from Samsung Omnia and want to try Android, phone should be durable good camera good battery and should be fast enough to play games on it, i really like the customization on HTC but camera is good on Sensation
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I say get the sensation! It has dual core and qhd. I am also upgrading from a htc touch HD. I was trying to decide between the desire s and the sensation and I figured if I am going to upgrade I might as well go with a dual core. I t is the future. So, I have made up my mind. I am getting the sensation end of the month or next month when the sim free unbranded handsets come out.

Malik828 said:
I really can't beloved the amount of people who are slagging off the IS because it can't be unlocked yet.
DON'T BUY A PHONE EXPECTING THE DEV SCENE TO BE HUGE
The IS is a great phone, and if custom ROM's are the be all and end all for you then its your own fault for not doing research before buying it. The are far, far to many people round here with an expectation that fantastic ROM's and exploits just appear out of thin air, the people that produce them work very hard, and don't owe you anything.
Why don't ppl do some research and try and help, rather than just twiddling your thumbs and moaning until it happens?
Back on topic, I haven't used the Sensation so I can't compare them both, but it is unlikely to be a huge seller so you probably wont find a huge amount of work for it, even if it is unlocked. I love the IS and have no complaints about the hardware at all, but I must admit the sensation is sexy and they do run similar software.
The only thing I would say is if you want durability with the IS, get a case. The phone is a little fragile against drops without one
So Guys Help me out here
I am stuck between Incredible S and Sensation cant decide which one should i buy, i am switching from Samsung Omnia and want to try Android, phone should be durable good camera good battery and should be fast enough to play games on it, i really like the customization on HTC but camera is good on Sensation
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Unlikely to be a huge seller? It's HTC's flagship phone, it'll be the best selling HTC phone of this quarter, I'd expect.

redbullcat said:
Unlikely to be a huge seller? It's HTC's flagship phone, it'll be the best selling HTC phone of this quarter, I'd expect.
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Yes maybe you are right it is HTC flagship phone but before the sensation what was HTC flagship phone you guessed right it was the Incredible S so soon sensation is going to be long forgotten for the sole reason that EVO 3d is arriving sooner rather than later it only depends which is going to be a huge seller which is adopted by the huge dev community as it was due to devs that HTC had to back track on the decision of locking the bootloader
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If you buy any piece of technology and expect it to be top of the line for long your not going to get far.
Every network is slightly different and the phones appeal differently. I will be going from my HD2 to the Sensation and I will love every minute of it until the next big one comes along that tickles my fancy 1 - 2 years down the road.
Find the phone that YOU want, that makes YOU grin and eagerly anticipate the release of and get it, enjoy it and use it until the next device comes along.
I personally do not want a 3d camera, hate the technology so the EVO 3d does not appeal to me. The Incredible S was incredible, and the Sensation will be for a short time until the next greatest thing comes along.
The community moves fast. People with the phones keep working and developting for them. The OS on my HD2 was dead before the phone released, yet there is still a good community supporting the device and I am not sorry I chose the phone at all.

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Yes maybe you are right it is HTC flagship phone but before the sensation what was HTC flagship phone you guessed right it was the Incredible S so soon sensation is going to be long forgotten for the sole reason that EVO 3d is arriving sooner rather than later it only depends which is going to be a huge seller which is adopted by the huge dev community as it was due to devs that HTC had to back track on the decision of locking the bootloader
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Well the sensation is coming out all over the world while the evo 3d is just coming out for sprint right now. The GSM version hasn't even been officially announced yet
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Well the sensation is coming out all over the world while the evo 3d is just coming out for sprint right now. The GSM version hasn't even been officially announced yet
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So ok you are right agree with you that it is going to be only for Sprint but for me iPhone 5 is what making me wait there are lots lots rumors it going to launch in September with ios 5 so that is going to be the benchmark for all phones Samsung galaxy s2 is not a bad phone either so it is very hard for me to choose as I do not want regrets after choosing one beast of a phone and another beast arrives around the corner ios 5 going to have notification and widgets so it could be the complete phone that awaits but can not wait too anxious to make the plunge it is going to be sensation or iPhone 5 if only it comes with larger display do not care for resolution
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If you buy any piece of technology and expect it to be top of the line for long your not going to get far.
Every network is slightly different and the phones appeal differently. I will be going from my HD2 to the Sensation and I will love every minute of it until the next big one comes along that tickles my fancy 1 - 2 years down the road.
Find the phone that YOU want, that makes YOU grin and eagerly anticipate the release of and get it, enjoy it and use it until the next device comes along.
I personally do not want a 3d camera, hate the technology so the EVO 3d does not appeal to me. The Incredible S was incredible, and the Sensation will be for a short time until the next greatest thing comes along.
The community moves fast. People with the phones keep working and developting for them. The OS on my HD2 was dead before the phone released, yet there is still a good community supporting the device and I am not sorry I chose the phone at all.
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I agree with you totally.
On a side note, You dont have to want the 3D. The phone's specs are better than the sensation and the 3D is just an added bonus IMO although im not sure how many ppl would be happy to carry a 170g phone in their pocket.
I wish they would have announced a GSM version though so the non US people would also have the option to choose between the sensation and the EVO

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I agree with you totally.
On a side note, You dont have to want the 3D. The phone's specs are better than the sensation and the 3D is just an added bonus IMO although im not sure how many ppl would be happy to carry a 170g phone in their pocket.
I wish they would have announced a GSM version though so the non US people would also have the option to choose between the sensation and the EVO
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Which EVO 3D specs are better than the Sensation? According to this they are very similar, although the EVO only has a 5MP camera.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_evo_3d-3901.php

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Which EVO 3D specs are better than the Sensation? According to this they are very similar, although the EVO only has a 5MP camera.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_evo_3d-3901.php
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Also 1 GB RAM vs 768 of the sensation and lets not forget the 1730 mAh battery the EVO has which is something im sure many would have liked the sensation to have also. Like i said, i think its just its weight and thickness might be an issue to some

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Also 1 GB RAM vs 768 of the sensation and lets not forget the 1730 mAh battery the EVO has which is something im sure many would have liked the sensation to have also. Like i said, i think its just its weight and thickness might be an issue to some
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More RAM is better if you need more RAM. I haven't seen anyone so far say they've run out of RAM on the Sensation. 1GB is obviously more than 768Mb, but not so sure it's "better". Let's see what the EVO battery life is in use. It may need a larger, and as you say heavier, battery for the same run time. Heavier and thicker isn't better. For me 3D is nothing but a gimmick. I don't need even more viewing angle issues than the Sensation's LCD has. But we each have our own preferences.

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More RAM is better if you need more RAM. I haven't seen anyone so far say they've run out of RAM on the Sensation. 1GB is obviously more than 768Mb, but not so sure it's "better". Let's see what the EVO battery life is in use. It may need a larger, and as you say heavier, battery for the same run time. Heavier and thicker isn't better. For me 3D is nothing but a gimmick. I don't need even more viewing angle issues than the Sensation's LCD has. But we each have our own preferences.
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Im not sure, but perhaps more RAM could help with things moving more smoothly?
I also think the 3D is a gimmick, just saying that on paper it seems like the EVO has slightly better specs, thats all.

So I currently have a T-Mobile MyTouch 4G that I really like, I have Cyanogen Mod 7.0.3 running on it, and I get great battery life. I have some dust under the glass, I called and they said that they would happily exchange it, but that they don't have the MyTouch 4G and that they will "upgrade" me to the Samsung Galaxy S2 Looking at the forums it doesn't seem like there is much development for these phones. Should I tell Them that I want a different phone? or are there custom ROMS that I can run on the Galaxy S2 I really like the 16 or so hours of battery life I currently get, plus how fast the phone is.

Regardless, you prove my point that sensationalist (no pun intended) tech blogs stress the qualitative, not the factual. These blogs are composed of a bunch of guys who get together and tell you what they "feel" about a certain device, replete with brand loyalty bias and unrepresentative 'tests', which is why it is precisely the source of the rubbish "SAMOLED >>> LCD" claims in the first place.
Also, each device can implement the same screen 'technology' differently. The HD2 has a better screen than the G2 in terms of color accuracy (and certainly more than the Galaxy S 1's blue tint, pixelation/blur/colorwarping) and even outdoor visibility. And it wasn't even a SUPER lcd. The Sensation probably has a different screen
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2 good points (compared to desire). Visible in landscape mode in polarized sunglasses, good visibility outside. The rest of it is worse than desire slcd. Not sure about incredible s, but hope info helps you.

can someone tell me if incredible s also suffers from wifi signal loss much like the sensation? im seriously thinking of getting IS instead of sensation due to death grip issue... dual core phones can wait for now. thanks.

Do you think ICS will make things any better for us/the Sensation?

I really was a HTC fanboy, both software and hardware wise, after seeing their first HTC Desire and later the Desire HD. That made me ditch the iphone and switch to android.
Recently, I am starting to regret having bought the Sensation. Build quality my arse. This phone is full of bugs and disappointments, my biggest issues being:
- Power Button issue (no its NOT software related, at least not with my unit and the "fix" don't work)
- Battery reading and jumping issues. My phone stays way too long on 100% and then takes a dive instead of showing the energy levels correctly. And no matter what it shows, when I restart it the percentage magically jumps up around 15%, only to drop swiftly little later. Yes I did calibrate the battery in Android and yes I did several charge-discharge circles with all my 3 batteries.
- Sluggish Performance. Yes there are "ultra-hyper-mega-omega-smooth" ROMs but it only helps so much, many menus still have an apparent lag when scrolling, most famously the appdrawer (when u install more than just a few apps) and whatsapp when scrolling through chat history.
Also, in Electopia benchmark, the highest I get is 30 FPS, with an AOSP ROM. SGSII users get 49 fps no problem and they don't need to OC their device to 8.7GHz like we do to achieve it. I know benchmarks say nothing but this is a game with nice graphics and I can actually SEE the performance difference with my own eyes.
-Touchscreen problem. It's gone now, yes. But come on! Who tells me this will not resurface after 2 years in a much more severe way?
- Loudness. The phonespeaker blows, when I show someone a song or vid on the phone you can barely hear it. Same problem for in-call volume. No, Volume+ does not really help and it makes sound everything like shiat. I thought the iphone had a bad speaker but now I actually think it was quite good after seeing the lower end of the quality spectrum
-Broken 3D engine and no official fix for it. I need to rely on devs to do their work? Screw you htc
-Camera. Nothing in particular except that it is not as good as I expected and it lacks some features even my old Sony Ericsson k800i had like burst mode etc. Yes you can have it if you install the camera apk from a different htc phone but there usually are compatibility problems. Plus, why can't my phone have a decent camera app of its own? Too much to ask, HTC? Guess their priorities are elsewhere.
- The phone was half-baked to begin with and got patched up to adress the most severe problems rather than being good at launch and "sensational" after updates.
I'm interested in your opinion wheter a future ICS RUU will make things any better. I would sell my Sensation now and probably go for a Samsung. The thing is, I have bought a cover and two extra batteries for it and I'm not looking forward to buying those accessories again, especially because Amazon doesn't ship to my country. And I hear folks say all the time how ICS will make our device shine because of native dualcore support etc. In that case, it might well be worth to wait a little...
The thing is, I just don't believe in it anymore. HTC seems more busy pushing out new models than refining current ones. Hell, since the launch of the first Sensation alone they have thrown 2 additional versions of it in the market, let alone the number of completely new phones released or soon to be released.
I think fragmentation is becoming a major problem with HTC. Look at the leaked 3.3.5 RUU that all the devs build upon, it's been around for forever. But the real thing never saw the light of day and now with ICS out, I think it never will. When HTC has a flagship phone, you can bet they will have a new one in 6 weeks time. The Sensation got replaced by the Sensation XE (Different ROM&Kernel, not just fancy new colours) and the Sensation XE got replaced by the HTC Rezound all in less than 6 months.
HTC announced they will release ICS for Sensation around March. By that time, the Sensation will be a second class phone with quadcores already in the pipeline. The way I know HTC, their first ICS build will be full of crap and bugs. But because they will be busy pushing out new phones, we will have to live with their halfdone work. And by that time, I will prolly get much less for it if sold than I would right now.
What do you think? Sell now or wait and hope/pray for improvement?

Look. If you really dislike the phone that much, sell it now. ICS will change many things; improve some, make some worse. That's just how it goes. Then they'll patch the issues with the next patch etc. But judging from your post, I'd recommend you sell it and get another phone. Just don't touch anything Samsung.

You better sell it if you hate it that much. Why most people buy HTC? Because they can flash anything they whant and make the device better than stock. (same with Samsungs Plastic Devices) I never had any of the prolems you are talking about on my XE with the same Hardware. The Sensation XE is my 4th HTC phone and all of them were great never got any problems (Hardware or Software). And when i read something about benchmark i whant to throw up. What does it help if you have high scores and you device is laggy? If the performance is good i don't care about scores. And like FnH84 said ICS will make much things better but some things worse but we are here at XDA and our devs will make it all perfekt. It only needs some time. Android is a "Hacker phone" (let's call it like this) Out of the Box it's not the best OS but you can modify it in every way you whant and that makes it unique. If you need a phone that works perfekt out of the box you should buy icrap or WP7 on this phones you can do nothing wrong and they are easy to use.
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Why don't we just gather all the ones that got a "faulty" device and retards that have something against specific brands, me included I truly hate Apple , HTC samgay and all the rest brands and see which phone (brand) gets the most posts ala we hate, it sucks yada yada doo.
1. Sensation build quality is robust and good, I have had 3 units.
2. Sense is not for every one but some intend to like it.
3. HTC is one of the older players (the oldest) on the android market. They know how to create something that wasn't there f.ex dual core support gingerbread.
4. Great screen with great resolution.
5. Screw you I'm going home!
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You are exaggerating things... Practically HTC mobiles are the best out there...
There is still little bit of lag but didn't effect me personally when using as phone...
HTC developers are much better than those Samsung ones... Atleast we have HTC Sense which other brand developers drag their ass to port to their handsets...
I still love it and it's the best for me..
you don't like it then sell it... Bye bye...

Sensation happens to be my best HTC and android phone. I have fewer problems than with MT3G, Nexus1, MT4G. Very pleased overall, just my 2c worth

Sensation happens to be a great phone for me ... much better than the galaxy s II
Feeling lucky ... didnt have any of those issues ...

I somewhat agree with OP, not everything, but certain points.
It did feel half-baked to start with. 2.08 base feels a lot more sleek though, shame they have not finished it, would be nice to have as an option, fully stable option I mean if they (HTC) **** up ICS.

Assuming HTC actually optimise Sense for ICS I can only see the Sensation getting better. Yes it runs now but I've had to make my own ROM for it. Does it bother me? Not in the slightest!! I enjoy it!!
The build quality of HTC handsets is second to none. I've had the HD2, Desire and now the Sensation and they just feel right. A nice bit of weight is reassuring, it means I know it's in my pocket.
OK, the camera isn't as good as other manufacturers but if I was that interested in taking a picture I'd use a camera (shock horror !!!)
End of the day if you're not happy, flog it and get something 'better'. Otherwise, enjoy what you have and look forward to more awesome ROMs from us Devs

What many people like to forget is, that higher display resolution is always a trade off between look and performance.
Of course the Samsung S2, with slightly better Hardware, performs better... It has only 800*480 Pixels to render.
I'm happy with my sensation. Of course it could be better, but there is no device out there that satisfies all my needs. And the sensation is the one that gets closest to that task.
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+1 Sensation..best phone out there, at least for me.

Vipeout said:
I really was a HTC fanboy, both software and hardware wise, after seeing their first HTC Desire and later the Desire HD. That made me ditch the iphone and switch to android.
Recently, I am starting to regret having bought the Sensation. Build quality my arse. This phone is full of bugs and disappointments, my biggest issues being:
- Power Button issue (no its NOT software related, at least not with my unit and the "fix" don't work)
- Battery reading and jumping issues. My phone stays way too long on 100% and then takes a dive instead of showing the energy levels correctly. And no matter what it shows, when I restart it the percentage magically jumps up around 15%, only to drop swiftly little later. Yes I did calibrate the battery in Android and yes I did several charge-discharge circles with all my 3 batteries.
- Sluggish Performance. Yes there are "ultra-hyper-mega-omega-smooth" ROMs but it only helps so much, many menus still have an apparent lag when scrolling, most famously the appdrawer (when u install more than just a few apps) and whatsapp when scrolling through chat history.
Also, in Electopia benchmark, the highest I get is 30 FPS, with an AOSP ROM. SGSII users get 49 fps no problem and they don't need to OC their device to 8.7GHz like we do to achieve it. I know benchmarks say nothing but this is a game with nice graphics and I can actually SEE the performance difference with my own eyes.
-Touchscreen problem. It's gone now, yes. But come on! Who tells me this will not resurface after 2 years in a much more severe way?
- Loudness. The phonespeaker blows, when I show someone a song or vid on the phone you can barely hear it. Same problem for in-call volume. No, Volume+ does not really help and it makes sound everything like shiat. I thought the iphone had a bad speaker but now I actually think it was quite good after seeing the lower end of the quality spectrum
-Broken 3D engine and no official fix for it. I need to rely on devs to do their work? Screw you htc
-Camera. Nothing in particular except that it is not as good as I expected and it lacks some features even my old Sony Ericsson k800i had like burst mode etc. Yes you can have it if you install the camera apk from a different htc phone but there usually are compatibility problems. Plus, why can't my phone have a decent camera app of its own? Too much to ask, HTC? Guess their priorities are elsewhere.
- The phone was half-baked to begin with and got patched up to adress the most severe problems rather than being good at launch and "sensational" after updates.
I'm interested in your opinion wheter a future ICS RUU will make things any better. I would sell my Sensation now and probably go for a Samsung. The thing is, I have bought a cover and two extra batteries for it and I'm not looking forward to buying those accessories again, especially because Amazon doesn't ship to my country. And I hear folks say all the time how ICS will make our device shine because of native dualcore support etc. In that case, it might well be worth to wait a little...
The thing is, I just don't believe in it anymore. HTC seems more busy pushing out new models than refining current ones. Hell, since the launch of the first Sensation alone they have thrown 2 additional versions of it in the market, let alone the number of completely new phones released or soon to be released.
I think fragmentation is becoming a major problem with HTC. Look at the leaked 3.3.5 RUU that all the devs build upon, it's been around for forever. But the real thing never saw the light of day and now with ICS out, I think it never will. When HTC has a flagship phone, you can bet they will have a new one in 6 weeks time. The Sensation got replaced by the Sensation XE (Different ROM&Kernel, not just fancy new colours) and the Sensation XE got replaced by the HTC Rezound all in less than 6 months.
HTC announced they will release ICS for Sensation around March. By that time, the Sensation will be a second class phone with quadcores already in the pipeline. The way I know HTC, their first ICS build will be full of crap and bugs. But because they will be busy pushing out new phones, we will have to live with their halfdone work. And by that time, I will prolly get much less for it if sold than I would right now.
What do you think? Sell now or wait and hope/pray for improvement?
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I've never had a problem with power button, battery, touchscreen or 3D engine.
Speaker, I agree with you, could be better and louder.
Camera, what you expected? It is only phone camera. For me picture quality is very good. And I don't need burst mode, it is unimportant feature.
Performance is very good. UI acceleration is disabled by default to save battery life, you can simply enable it.
SGS II has better performance in 3D, but Sensation has 35% more pixels.

Agreed with the OP, but then again like others have said, Better build quality than any other manufacturer, Sense (at least for me), and the ability to flash whatever the **** you want makes me buy HTC phones. Even though I wouldn't mind a S2 right now, but the screen resolution kills me on that, everything is just huge!

im in the same boat like you i loved htc sense and i still love htc sense
but the thing that really put me off from andriod is because the software and hardware limitation
firstly i want to write about my experience with htc hd2 my first htc phone and i loved it because of big screen but the downside was that any rom i installed on it used to drain my battery madly
if i used my phone for a while the battery used to drop like there is no tommorow
and max battery life used to be 2-3 hours but if when i used to leave it on stand by it used to lst 8-9 hours and that was not used and battery used to die so i got so mad with it that i sold it and bought htc senstaion
the thing with sensation was i had more memory higher resoulation and it was capable of recording 1080p at the same time it had a front camera but the bad thing in sesnation is battery life and check my post where my battery lasted 2 hours and i think this is piss taking.
i have a iphone 4 which i borrowed form my cousin for test this week and this phone blew me away because i left wifi on for 1 day and 5 hour while it was on stand by and guess what it only lost 2 percent in the long time where as my senstaion would have died in 7-8 hours
the good thing about iphone was its software and harware work flawless toghether even though i admit when i'm gonna give this back to my cousin i'm gonna say to him its **** because i cant admit its better in hadrware
but software wise its the best phone out there.
bad thing about iphone 4 its heavy like htc senstion and it has very smal screen and i personally hate it this is the only reason i choose htc rather than iphone
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i also did a camera test and iphone was much smmoother and i;m talking about front camera because if i move my camera it laggs bad and does blur where as iphone despite having the same spec camera is much clearer while at the same time it is much better but about the back camera i personally think htc is better and that is my personal choise(i forgot how to write it). in senstaion the front camera is so dark in low light while at the same time iphone is very clear.
personally i think htc and other company should stop brinig phone for a while and rather they should try to perfect the software on our phone because this is really making andriod looking bad

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HTC seems more busy pushing out new models than refining current ones.
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The way I know HTC, their first ICS build will be full of crap and bugs. But because they will be busy pushing out new phones, we will have to live with their halfdone work.
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In this regard, HTC is no worse (and is better than) other Android handset manufacturers. I was an early adopter with the Samsuck Behold 2, which saw only very limited updates. Every company is pushing new models, either because most consumers are spoiled and always want the latest and greatest, or as a side effect they don't need to support phones beyond 1-2 years because carriers subsidize phones when contracts are renewed.
In general, software rarely gets faster when new versions are released, and I doubt that ICS will perform faster than what we have now unless HTC seriously thins out their Sense UI overlay. I also expect that HTC has a common code base between what we'll get on the Sensation and what future phone releases will use, so I doubt what we get will be any worse than new ICS HTC handsets.

8.7ghz dam bro ur phone must be an oven lol

To those who say they have no battery issues:
Does your battery not stick at 100% longer than it should? It stays at 100% even after 30min of intense use and then sharply drops instead of declining i a linear way. Do you not have different battery level values after restarting the phone? Afaik it is a common problem with the Sensation caused by bad drivers. There is even a thread dedicated to this.
And it can not all be blamed on the higher pixel count. Electopia is a 3d game that measures your fps. There is an option to run it at WVGA resolution (800x480), meaning it is rendered in exactly the same resolution as the SGII. The game runs at aprox. 20 fps slower than on the sgII. Now this is not some synthetic benchmark, this is real world performance where the game simply runs smother on the sammy.
I just checked my roommate's SGII performance within whatsapp. He can scroll through the entire chat history in real time, back and forward with no delay. Mine has VISIBLE lag and doesn't respond as well, it stutters alot when scrolling up the list. Don't tell me its because it has to render more pixels, its a messaging program ffs! This happens with EVERY Rom (With or without Sense).
I am surprised no one shares my view on those issues because it's basically a compilation of often here mentioned issues plaguing the Sensation. And I know HTC made some damn fine phones, but the Sensation just doesn't live up to their past standards.
No I don't feel the need to always have the fastest and best thing around. I was evaluating pros and cons between the Sensation and SG2 for 6 whole weeks before ultimately going for the Sensation. I knew the Samsung had better benchmark results and more power but I was like "I don't need a ****ing racing car, a nice sports car will do it just as well". But I simply cannot put up with sluggish menus/scrolling behaviour. Not in 2011 and in the age of dual core processors. See, if only the Sensation was really snappy with my daily tasks, I couldn't care less for benchmarks.
But folks will always say the same things like "it has more pixels to push" or "mine runs super smooth" when in fact it runs the same way as mine and they just don't mind a bit of choppiness.
I HATE the plastic toy phone feel of the Samsung devices, but damn those phones fly. Probably I'm alone with this, but choppy and sluggish menus and scrolling behaviour gives me eye cancer. And it's something I can't live withon such a premium device.
Please keep the "if you don't like it then sell it" comments to your self, they add nothing to the discussion and you are not telling me anything new.
Well I am considering the Galaxy Nexus now, despite not having the most fancy gpu unit available.

Probably I'm alone with this, but choppy and sluggish menus and scrolling behaviour gives me eye cancer.
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Then you need to go to a hospital, stat. Here's the deal, 99% of people who dislike this phone either return it or sell it, and get something they like. They don't go to a dev forum specifically designed for the phone in question and ***** about it.
Point is, if you don't like it, get something else.

Get the motorola atrix, or even the lg g2x and then tell me this phone is buggy.. hahah, the moto atrix even with CM 7 was more laggy than this phone stock. with more ram etc. camera flys past both phones. sure its not better than the amaze but look at the price differance.

I think ICS will make the Sensation a little bit smoother.
That said, I overall don't really like my Sensation. It was an under-spec'd, half-baked phone from release. I really wish my phone upgrade would have been now, because I would have been all over a real performer like the Galaxy Nexus. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with my Sensation for another year and a half or so, and I doubt I'll be able to make it that long.
Having a phone that performs like a toy is worse than having one that feels like a toy. I didn't buy a damn phone just to touch it. I bought it to use it, and there are tons of phones out there that perform better.

Galaxy S4... And others.... a bit.... meh?

This is likely to be first time in 7 years i haven't upgraded my phone upon a handset refresh.
I'm a terrible phone whore with very little loyalty to brand, i like to own the best phone of the moment and hop between manufacturers. I'd imagine most people on here do the same, with the exception of the insanely irreverent fanboys. Recently (Last 2 years) i've owned.. S2, iPhone 4S, S3, HTC One X and Nexus 4. (Also throw in a couple of dips to Sony and Windows Mobile for brief periods).
First of all, the S4 and the HTC One look like cracking devices. In my eyes they both have positives and negatives and if push came to shove and somebody forced me by gunpoint to pick one, i'd be hard pressed to make a decision.. Perhaps S4 but only because of the battery life and timely updates.. There really is little in it.. Anyone who thinks so is only splitting hairs.
If you're sat using an S2 or a mobile a good 2 years old i can truly appreciate what a jump that the S4 or HTC One to be for you. But if you're the kind of person who upgrades over a 12 month period, there really is little to excite at the moment.
I can't help but feel disappointing..
CPU:
This is the most frustrating topic... We've been steadily increasing in power with little gains in power management, Nvidia tried their best with that '5th core' but ultimately left us all wanting... I'd say the biggest single concern for most smartphone users is battery life now, struggling to make it through a heavy day is part and parcel of owning a mobile.
We are so very close to big.LITTLE kicking in and it seems to be that Samsung and HTC kicked off a little early, shown by the (almost complete) lack of availability of their Exynos variant..
If i bought the S4 or HTC One i'd feel almost cheated if the rumored battery performance of the upcoming CPUs in this segment are anything to go by.
Screen:
Mobile phone addiction aside, one of my other rather 'nerdy' fascination is with audio visual kit, much to my wifes misery.. Screen quality is undoubtedly a big thing for me, yet even i struggle to justify the move from a 720p resolution to a 1080p resolution on a screen only 4.7-5" big..
I've seen the HTC One in person and while i will confess at close proximity i can distinguish the difference, it is by no means the jump the market departments of said companies would like you to think.. I'd go as far to say that most (myself included) would struggle to notice the difference between the two during regular daily use.
LTE:
This is less the mobile manufacturers fault and more the networks but 4G coverage is absolutely woeful when you consider the mass rollout of hardware to utilize. I always thought the S3 LTE was pointless but was convinced this was the early warning sign the governments / networks needed to shift into gear, it doesn't appear to have happened. It's like giving everybody a Bugatti Veyron and telling them they're only allowed to drive it in speed limited residential areas..
I've got friends in the states and U.K and despite the rather gut-wrenching price they pay for LTE price plans, the performance seems poor. I do think we are a good year away from 4G being a realistic benefit to the average consumer, with small pockets of countries experiencing early gains if they live in the capital.
The only positive i can take away from all this is my other half does not have to watch me trawl through reviews, debate the best deal and then watch me giddy on the day of delivery...
Here's hopping next year is a little better!

Have to agree with this, nothing special so far

@OP ( dont wanna quote the whole post lol), trust me when i say that i am one of the biggest phone junkies around, i owned almost all of the flagship of 2012 and plan on owning quite a few in 2013. I see what you're saying when you say " meh" cause phones like the nexus 4, S3, Optimus G and note 2 are already mighty powerful but i think this is where samsung and HTC lead the pack and differentiate themselves with other brands. HTC came out with the best design a phone ever had ( in my opinion) and fantastic sound quality while samsung is expanding its crazy awesome features ( gimmicky for some, absolutely great for me). Its hard to outdo the great phones that came out last year so my question is what did you expect?

I think you need to find more hobbies/occupations in your life tbh.

But to be honest, we are at a point where technology, and especially phones are improving at a very systematical and incremental ways.
Slightly better processor
Slightly better camera
Slightly better screen
Slightly better battery
Really, we will be stuck on this pattern until something revolutionary comes into the mobile market.

JaeKay said:
But to be honest, we are at a point where technology, and especially phones are improving at a very systematical and incremental ways.
Slightly better processor
Slightly better camera
Slightly better screen
Slightly better battery
Really, we will be stuck on this pattern until something revolutionary comes into the mobile market.
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Yeah, but with all that, there's a lot that's looked over. Like if you have a Samsung Smart TV you can stream what is on your TV to your phoen anywhere you go.
We now have a IR controller with a built in TV Guide. Built in reminder to remind you also. Links to Rotten Tomatoes for movies.
There's a lot more. I just don't know what is revolutionary anymore. The problem is other technology has to catch up, like TVs, Amplifiers and audio receivers, car GPS, etc. The only thing the phone can do now is control and interact with other things.
What can honestly be revolutionary with current technology and our phones now?

How about work on voice call clarity. This quality has been the same Damn thing since the nokia brick phones lol
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Squirrel1620 said:
How about work on voice call clarity. This quality has been the same Damn thing since the nokia brick phones lol
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The thing is in a day I make max 20 min call time but day in day out 4+hours screen time, iyam this is the norm so this dictates developments, so I bet we get stuck with ok call quality.

Euthye said:
The thing is in a day I make max 20 min call time but day in day out 4+hours screen time, iyam this is the norm so this dictates developments, so I bet we get stuck with ok call quality.
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20 min the norm? Speak for yourself.

j510 said:
20 min the norm? Speak for yourself.
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I know but how about getting a different phone if your prime use is phoning, like a 2g that'll give you 2/3 days, or if you're making calls while indoors plug it in or use a land line, flagship smartphones are computing devices not really phones any more.

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This is likely to be first time in 7 years i haven't upgraded my phone upon a handset refresh.
I'm a terrible phone whore with very little loyalty to brand...!
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While I agree that the upgrades in the GS4 are barely a full generation ahead of the GS3, which is unfortunate given how much a jump the GS2 was over the GS1, and how much the GS1 was ahead of anything else at its time... there is a sort-of point about diminishing returns here as well. It's harder to "improve" certain aspects but so much, as we're beginning to hit the limits of what can even be perceived as an upgrade.
I mean, think about the screen. Very low res -> QVGA -> WVGA -> 720p -> 1080p. Well that's great, but for the next generation, where do you go? There's really no perceivable need to put anything higher into a sub 5" device. Maybe flexible screens? Unbreakable screens? etc etc? That's still not gonna actually increase the photonic information presented to your eyes from the device.
Or take the physical phone body. The GS4 is pushing the screen so far that it's easily covering 80-90% of the entire front surface area. So okay, next gen, you make the entire front surface a screen. Then what? Make the phone thinner? Well, at a certain point you hit a limit there as well. People can only grasp and comfortably hold objects of up to a certain depth. When you get it smaller than that, you're basically just printing a screen onto a knife blade. So that's no good...
Let's try connectivity. LTE and 802.11ac? Most cell networks couldn't saturate their LTE links if they tried, they simply don't have the capacity yet. And even if they did... You're telling me you can even find a use-case where your phone is pumping out/in 100+ mbit/s of data? I mean, at home it's nice to move music/videos/files around sure. But I highly doubt anyone is routinely moving gigabytes of data per hour on any sort of mobile device. Once you hit what you need for say HD video streaming... where else is there to go? Again, the next generation doesn't really need to move data any faster than this.
Sensors? Well, there's actually lots of room for improvement here. And also, un-coincidentally, this is where the GS4 has some the of greatest advantage over other current/last generation devices. While we're still pretty far away from a proper tricorder, we can now sense via magnetometer, accelerometer, gyroscope, light sensor, infrared sensor, microphones, thermometer, hydrometer, barometer, and two cameras... But building sensors isn't the hard part. It's building clever software to do something with these sensors.
I could go on further... but the point I should think is clear. Yea, it's a bit disappointing that nothing since the original GS1/GS2 has really been a full "generation and a half" ahead of the competition... but a large portion of that is simply because we're beginning to hit the ceiling with some of these improvements. Yea, in 20 years "phones" will be unpredictably evolved from what we have now. But I bet the screens still won't have any higher effective PPI than what we're approaching now...

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posting to hit 10 posts so I can actually post in development section....wth.....
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Wrong and wrong.
1) There's a reason you need to post elsewhere first.
2) The fact that you say "what the hell" to that requirement further shows you are not yet ready to post in development.
3) Spamming random unrelated comments into random threads is not the way to reach the 10 post minimum
I suggest you start by reading the rules and the stickies.
Have a nice day, and welcome to XDA.

Im only getting it becuase i wanted a smaller note 2 with no spen. The s4 gives me that with plenty of horsepower. Plus the 32gb $250 price point is a good sell. If the htc one had a replaceable battery it would of been a no brainer based on design alone.

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posting to hit 10 posts so I can actually post in development section....wth.....
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*Face palm* If there's one place where you never post something like that, it's XDA. The moderators here take people who break the rules pretty seriously.
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I wish we could have a revolutionary phone come out like the Galaxy SII did. Even today, Galaxy SII is unsurpassed with performance. Is there any app or game that it can't run? I mean, it came out nearly 2 years ago, and still has not been matched by an app.
I hope Galaxy SV comes in the way of the revolution.

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I know but how about getting a different phone if your prime use is phoning, like a 2g that'll give you 2/3 days, or if you're making calls while indoors plug it in or use a land line, flagship smartphones are computing devices not really phones any more.
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I never said my prime use is phone calls. I just said 20 min is not the norm. And again where do you get your information. No matter what phone whether it is a dumb phone or smart phone, one of the main focus of a phone period involves making phone calls. Otherwise it would be called a multimedia device and not a phone.

jahjah440 said:
I wish we could have a revolutionary phone come out like the Galaxy SII did. Even today, Galaxy SII is unsurpassed with performance. Is there any app or game that it can't run? I mean, it came out nearly 2 years ago, and still has not been matched by an app.
I hope Galaxy SV comes in the way of the revolution.
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Wait, what, lol!
Pretty sure the Gs1 started the trend there. Gs2 was nice, but nothing revolutionary.... The s3 was by far the best in the series thus far, until this one comes out.
With that said, I like my Note 2 more so than my s3.
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I think the Note series has been pretty revolutionary and Samsung has worked hard to come up with clever things to do with the stylus.
I don't know what big hardware improvements are left to do. The one I would like the most is 3-D capabilities, both screen and camera, like the Evo 3D. I would imagine in the last two years the technology has gotten better and Samsung could market it a lot better than HTC. Plus there is more 3D content than two years ago. Samsung could also do cool things with 3D and the hover technology.

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I never said my prime use is phone calls. I just said 20 min is not the norm. And again where do you get your information. No matter what phone whether it is a dumb phone or smart phone, one of the main focus of a phone period involves making phone calls. Otherwise it would be called a multimedia device and not a phone.
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Ah well tough break, I guess this phone isn't for you then.

Shammyh said:
While I agree that the upgrades in the GS4 are barely a full generation ahead of the GS3, which is unfortunate given how much a jump the GS2 was over the GS1, and how much the GS1 was ahead of anything else at its time... there is a sort-of point about diminishing returns here as well. It's harder to "improve" certain aspects but so much, as we're beginning to hit the limits of what can even be perceived as an upgrade.
I mean, think about the screen. Very low res -> QVGA -> WVGA -> 720p -> 1080p. Well that's great, but for the next generation, where do you go? There's really no perceivable need to put anything higher into a sub 5" device. Maybe flexible screens? Unbreakable screens? etc etc? That's still not gonna actually increase the photonic information presented to your eyes from the device.
Or take the physical phone body. The GS4 is pushing the screen so far that it's easily covering 80-90% of the entire front surface area. So okay, next gen, you make the entire front surface a screen. Then what? Make the phone thinner? Well, at a certain point you hit a limit there as well. People can only grasp and comfortably hold objects of up to a certain depth. When you get it smaller than that, you're basically just printing a screen onto a knife blade. So that's no good...
Let's try connectivity. LTE and 802.11ac? Most cell networks couldn't saturate their LTE links if they tried, they simply don't have the capacity yet. And even if they did... You're telling me you can even find a use-case where your phone is pumping out/in 100+ mbit/s of data? I mean, at home it's nice to move music/videos/files around sure. But I highly doubt anyone is routinely moving gigabytes of data per hour on any sort of mobile device. Once you hit what you need for say HD video streaming... where else is there to go? Again, the next generation doesn't really need to move data any faster than this.
Sensors? Well, there's actually lots of room for improvement here. And also, un-coincidentally, this is where the GS4 has some the of greatest advantage over other current/last generation devices. While we're still pretty far away from a proper tricorder, we can now sense via magnetometer, accelerometer, gyroscope, light sensor, infrared sensor, microphones, thermometer, hydrometer, barometer, and two cameras... But building sensors isn't the hard part. It's building clever software to do something with these sensors.
I could go on further... but the point I should think is clear. Yea, it's a bit disappointing that nothing since the original GS1/GS2 has really been a full "generation and a half" ahead of the competition... but a large portion of that is simply because we're beginning to hit the ceiling with some of these improvements. Yea, in 20 years "phones" will be unpredictably evolved from what we have now. But I bet the screens still won't have any higher effective PPI than what we're approaching now...
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I have to disagree about LTE. That 100mbs conection is shared across possibly 100's of users and it does not take alot to bring it down to it's knees.
Video of sub 500kbs LTE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-VVwPqhXwI
That and really 2,3,4,5,10 GB is not really that much data if you plan using the LTE speeds fully. If I didn't have a unlimited plan, my bill would be higher in a month than what my phone cost.
I will say your right about the screen 1080p is good, well really for most 720p does the trick. ( I can still see the dot's on a 720p 4.3in screen though, but most can't.)