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Need a reason to keep HD2.

So I am brand new to the whole smart phone market. My old phone took a poo and decided to not work so I figured it was a great time to upgrade and join the new era of smart phones.
I knew nothing about smart phones but knew Ihad to go with t-mobile so I could be undercontract with my gf.
HD2 was all over the the tv/internet so I thought it was the new badass phone so I figured I would just got for it.
When I went to the t-mobile stand they didnt have any because they were selling so fast. I looked at their options and got the mytouch 3g. Brought the phone home and had a blast with the android market, it was so easy to use. Couple days later I went back to buy a case for the mytouch 3g but when I got to the stand they said they just got 6 HD2s in and I could trade in for it. Since it was the phone I wanted I did it.
Took my new HD2 hope and started to mess with it, confused as heck, way different with windows mobile. The phone was fast looked amazing but was not as fun.
Now Im torn what to do.
I guess what Im really trying to do is get input from people who know the market and how these phones will go. Will the HD2 be able to compete with the android market at all? A buddy said Microsoft trys to hard with Windows Mobile to compete but they always fall behind when it comes to phones. Or will the Android market just stay way ahead of the curve?
Thats my rant, I just dont want to regret trading in my HD2 because its still so new on the market.

just got rid of mine...ive dealt with windows mobile too much...i loved the phone but without android on it i feel its not worth it...ive got android on my xperia x1 and love it...just wish i had the big screen like the hd2...i personally suggest you get the nexus one...its an overall better phone and has a fairly big screen along with android....your best bet for now atleast

The HD2 is really nice and fast, but honestly, android is still sort of BETA still. You know what i'm saying? They haven't established completely like Apple. evenutally , Android market will be filled with neat stuff.
I think android is way better than windows mobile.
maybe not apple by games, but eventualy and hopefully, android gets better games and graphics.
And your right, maybe HD2 isn't the "right" time to get it now because it's still new. The android market is still damn new too!
Thanks to Google's unrestricted (like Apple) market, we will eventually take over

I agree I do like the Nexus one from what I have researched but the problem is its $530. Even though Im a new t-mobile customer I still have to get Googles t-mobile 1 person plan for the reduced rate when Im on a family plan atm.

if you are beyond the point where you can return your phone, I would be interested in getting it off your hands. I love the HD2. My wife has it and it is beyond fast. Flashed a custom rom on it and even the splash screen is cool.

numba1guju said:
the nexus one...its an overall better phone
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No.
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the only reason i using HD2 cus of the huge 4.3" screen!, it so comfortable for the eyes!
i hate the freaking capacitive screen! sometime you need to zoom in the texts AS BIG as your finger for it to responds!

friend'scatdied said:
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Maybe for U, but for many the N1 is state of the art & much better!

galaxys said:
Maybe for U, but for many the N1 is state of the art & much better!
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No.
Especially to the state-of-the-art part. The HD2 has a better screen than the Nexus One. The HD2 has more hardware RAM than the Nexus One.
The choice is simply Android OS on the Nexus One vs. WinMo on the HD2. The Nexus One's only hardware advantage is the noise-cancellation via the auxiliary microphone, and the trackball that not many actually use. Screen and hardware RAM are probably a bigger deal though.
The EVO 4G is probably the only Android phone from HTC worth getting right now since it doesn't have the god-awful Pentile AMOLED display they use in the Nexus One, Incredible, and Desire.

friend'scatdied said:
No.
Especially to the state-of-the-art part. The HD2 has a better screen than the Nexus One. The HD2 has more hardware RAM than the Nexus One.
The choice is simply Android OS on the Nexus One vs. WinMo on the HD2. The Nexus One's only hardware advantage is the noise-cancellation via the auxiliary microphone, and the trackball that not many actually use. Screen and hardware RAM are probably a bigger deal though.
The EVO 4G is probably the only Android phone from HTC worth getting right now since it doesn't have the god-awful Pentile AMOLED display they use in the Nexus One, Incredible, and Desire.
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someone sounds bitter.
the screen is a matter of opinion, and it sounds like you've been reading too many tech blogs.
i've compared them both, and i prefer the screen on the Nexus, and so has everyone else that has compared their screen to the AMOLED display on the Nexus. (providing you keep it out of the sunlight)
both the Nexus and HD2 have 512MB of ram(yes, i'm aware the US HD2 has slightly more), and Android is far better with memory management then WM is anyway, so that's a non issue.
and i used my trackball all the time. and who can complain about an extra hardware feature? just dont use it if you don't want it. a legitimate complaint would be the capacitive buttons. those are a PITA until you get used to them.
to the OP, buy the phone you want. but if you liked the mytouch you will LOVE the Nexus. there is absolutely no comparison between the two.

crazy talk said:
the screen is a matter of opinion, and it sounds like you've been reading too many tech blogs.
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screen size does matter!
i used sony x1 with 3" screen, then Acer neotouch with 3.8 screen, now hd2 with huge 4.3" screen! you can see the different! bigger is better! just try to upgrade your pc monitor to bigger size, and you will see alot more comfortable to the eyes!

crazy talk said:
someone sounds bitter.
the screen is a matter of opinion, and it sounds like you've been reading too many tech blogs.
i've compared them both, and i prefer the screen on the Nexus, and so has everyone else that has compared their screen to the AMOLED display on the Nexus. (providing you keep it out of the sunlight)
both the Nexus and HD2 have 512MB of ram(yes, i'm aware the US HD2 has slightly more), and Android is far better with memory management then WM is anyway, so that's a non issue.
and i used my trackball all the time. and who can complain about an extra hardware feature? just dont use it if you don't want it. a legitimate complaint would be the capacitive buttons. those are a PITA until you get used to them.
to the OP, buy the phone you want. but if you liked the mytouch you will LOVE the Nexus. there is absolutely no comparison between the two.
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All HD2s have 576MB of RAM, not 512MB. The only exception is the Prototype HTC HD2s (Pro.Three) which have 384MB of RAM or thereabouts.
The Nexus One's screen is inferior not only in terms of size but also in terms of color accuracy, sunlight legibility (as you mentioned), and effective resolution. It possesses higher contrast and is comparable in terms of viewing angles, battery life, and power consumption. Yes, I have also seen both devices -- I owned the Nexus One previously.
Also forgot to mention the Nexus One has a bigger battery, but I'm not sure you'd be able to tell with what I've seen.
Don't get me wrong, the Nexus One is a great device. But there is no excuse for arguing the fallacy that the Nexus One is superior hardware to the HD2 -- this is simply not the case. That is a matter of software alone.

[Q]What is your favorite phone and why ?

No matter what phone you have, is it Android, Windows or Symbian, no matter post it here !!

Nokia Lumia 800, no competition. The build quality is unparalleled as it is a nokia device built out of polyurethane with a clear black display. This phone has fallen off of a second story balcony unscathed. It also runs the worlds best mobile OS, WP7, smoother than any of the other phones. WP7 is the smoothest, most responsive OS with the best social network integration and everything works outstandingly. It's the first device I've seen that is just outstanding out of the box. I have a GS2, I have an iphone 4s, neither of them hold a candle to this thing of sheer beauty.

z33dev33l said:
Nokia Lumia 800, no competition. The build quality is unparalleled as it is a nokia device built out of polyurethane with a clear black display. This phone has fallen off of a second story balcony unscathed. It also runs the worlds best mobile OS, WP7, smoother than any of the other phones. WP7 is the smoothest, most responsive OS with the best social network integration and everything works outstandingly. It's the first device I've seen that is just outstanding out of the box. I have a GS2, I have an iphone 4s, neither of them hold a candle to this thing of sheer beauty.
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hahaha ok mate but the Nokia Lumia 800 is just brand new and a couple of days out and its a windows, But wait in the future of android, i think by myself Android is smoother and better then windows... sorry but that is my meaning.
cheers and have fun with your Nokia

I can assure you that android isn't smoother. The average framerate on upper end android phones is 26 fps or so. WP7 runs a consistent 60 fps. That's fact. If you feel it's better then that's your call but smoother can be disproven . Also, while it's only been available to the public for a week or so I've had mine about 3-4 weeks now.

I love my Samsung Fascinate but like any other phone it has it's issues. I like my wife's iPhone but it too has issues. I am sure that any WP7 phone is great and I am sure that it too has issues. there are plenty of phones to go around and people will like/dislike them all for one reason or another. I say pick one that works for you and respect everyone else for their decision too.

My favorite phone is whatever is in my pocket at any given time!

Definitely Galaxy S i9000 because of performance (not the best now but still run everything) and really nice looking display..

I love my Nexus S. I bought it cause it was one of the cheapest android phones on staff discount, and I didn't know anything about android at the time. I lucked out with a great device.

I like Android.
As much as I don't like WP, the Nokia Lumia is OUT OF THIS WORLD.
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The phone that sends me to an ectasy akin to taking vegetable matter or performing vigorous activites. Or my sgs 2, its almost there. xD

Xperia arc, I love the feel when its in your hands.
ういこ!

Vibrant as it is my first android phone.

A phone worth waiting for in WP7

I had the HTC mozart the first day it had released and absolutely fell in love with the OS.
I am approaching the end of my contract and was planning on another WP7.
I initially had plans to get the lumia but the lack of FFC and non removable battery is kind of holding me back (I had to take out the battery of the mozart quite a lot of time when it gets hanged and would prefer a new phone where I can take out the battery)
Which phone do you guys thing would be the best bet for WP7 (Anything in market or any phone which is going to be released soon)
Cheers
Shamreez
PS: Played with my friends Galaxy s 2 and that is a pretty tempting phone too

I recently picked up an HD7 for free on a 3 year plan and really like the phone. The 4.3" screen is nice and it doesn't lag at all. WP7 doesn't need huge specs to run well so I wouldn't let that concern you.

HD7 is nice...BUT!
bhenness said:
I recently picked up an HD7 for free on a 3 year plan and really like the phone. The 4.3" screen is nice and it doesn't lag at all. WP7 doesn't need huge specs to run well so I wouldn't let that concern you.
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However the HTC HD7 battery life really sucks. I'm not sure if it is just my device but I have already turned off ALL synchronizations. On the settings -> battery saver. A full charge only shows me that I have 15hours. The battery drains are really bad.

Kyrasym said:
However the HTC HD7 battery life really sucks. I'm not sure if it is just my device but I have already turned off ALL synchronizations. On the settings -> battery saver. A full charge only shows me that I have 15hours. The battery drains are really bad.
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We have two HD7's (wife) and have been very happy with the battery life. I have had them for a couple of months and have never run out of battery life in a single day. I always recharge at night anyway. Being a software dev I tend to push the phone pretty hard as well. However, I do turn off bluetooth when not in the car.
Overall I am very pleased, as I initially thought the 4.3" screen would suck the juice, but so far that hasn't been the case.

Titan. Not sure if you can get one where you are, but it's outstanding. I had a Focus, which I liked a great deal, but picked up the Titan to try out. Was intending to return it, as I expected it to be just too big, but I love it.
It's funny, when I go back to look at my Focus, I think of how small it is .

of the devices right available now, the titan (giant screen, fairly thin, great build materials) or the focus s (excellent screen, super thin, super light) are the best choices if you want a large screen (and if you can get them where you live and work on your networks)
the only device that is upcoming that interests me right now is the nokia ace (lumia 900)

Ditto on on the Titan.
I picked up both a Radar and a Titan. I actually loved the Radar, and it would be a great choice for someone who needed more of a mid-range phone and is happy with a more compact size.
But the Titan is simply awesome. Windows Phone really comes to life on that huge screen. The Titan is the one I kept.

Lumia 900 I'm predicting LTE modem since its said to come with windows phone tango.
You'll have to wait a few months though...
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So I guess the best thing would be to go for the titan now or wait for the Nokai Ace.
(I am prepared to wait if it is 2 - 3 months) but I guess it would be more (Or would Nokia try to disturb Apple iphone 5 party by releasing it on March)

I have the hd7 now and love it... I definatly am not getting a white phone(titan).
I have yet to see an omg I need that phone. Like I did with the hd2 and hd7.
Im in the same boat as you though. I would sell the hd7 and get another phone while the hd7 is still holding its value but there is nothing standing out from the rest.. 2nd gen devices dont have HSPL yet, there specs arent far greater than 1st gen anyway..
Nokia does seem like they will be putting out some really nice phones though. But come on its Nokia, Id love to see HTC put out something to compete with Nokia's phones I have a feeling they will be coming out with. Ive own HTC phones since my ppc-6700(remember that block) and I think their quality is really good.

shamreez said:
So I guess the best thing would be to go for the titan now or wait for the Nokai Ace.
(I am prepared to wait if it is 2 - 3 months) but I guess it would be more (Or would Nokia try to disturb Apple iphone 5 party by releasing it on March)
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I think those choices would be the best ones you can make. I'd go for the Titan. It has a good battery life, great build quality, it's thinner than the HD7 and the screen's massive.
The things one can hear concerning the Nokia Ace are cool too. But I also think that you'll have to wait more than 2 or 3 months until it's released. iPhone 5 releases are just speculation - normally Apple releases it in july (after the WWDC) but for example the iPhone 4S was released later. If I was you, I'd take the Titan and be happy

For Wp i would choose phone from Htc, i have 7 trophy, and i am very happy.

[Q] Don't you wish Microsoft made a "Nexus" Windows Phone?

Hello, current iPhone and Windows 7 PC user here. I have an extreme dislike for iTunes, but I love my iPhone.
However, I like the direction Windows Phone is going, and if iOS isn't redesigned next year or the hardware is yet another glass phone, I'm going to think about getting Window Phone 8 when it ships. I don't like where Google is going with Android and I don't like Google services except for Gmail so I won't bother with their handsets, which feel cheap, plasticky and have that ever present lag with the Android OS.
One thing I have a problem with however. I wish Microsoft would make a "flagship" phone that uses high end materials to make a truly stunning, all-in-one, monster device that is hard to break.
Why haven't they done this yet?

half of the point of wp7 is that you get quality with every handset..
They don't want to release a bunch of subpar with one sole signature handset.
That would be my take on it

The gimmick of the google nexus phones is for the "google experience" no skins no oem customizations and standardized hardware.
This is already true for ALL windows phones so Microsoft really do not need a nexus s. However I'll say the Nokia Lumia Windows Phone's Nexus...

scoobysnacks said:
half of the point of wp7 is that you get quality with every handset..
They don't want to release a bunch of subpar with one sole signature handset.
That would be my take on it
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That doesn't make much sense. If every handset is quality, it shouldn't be so easily shown up by a Microsoft handset.
sayonical said:
The gimmick of the google nexus phones is for the "google experience" no skins no oem customizations and standardized hardware.
This is already true for ALL windows phones so Microsoft really do not need a nexus s. However I'll say the Nokia Lumia Windows Phone's Nexus...
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This is true but I'm speaking more on a hardware standpoint. It would be nice to have a Microsoft unibody handset that isn't 3.7 inches.

I dont think you get my point..
With google there are a load of budget handsets, so a lot of the point of the nexus is to have a really quality device that stands out. Specs that will last, a dev phone basically.
With wp7 the specs are standardized, the phones may differ slightly but all in all quality travels through the entire line.
That's just my take

MrGaius said:
One thing I have a problem with however. I wish Microsoft would make a "flagship" phone that uses high end materials to make a truly stunning, all-in-one, monster device that is hard to break.
Why haven't they done this yet?
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I think Nokia will be the one carrying the torch. Honestly, I'm hoping for a REAL flagship phone come Windows Phone 8, Nokia build with flagship-Android-like specs. *fingers crossed*

MrGaius said:
Hello, current iPhone and Windows 7 PC user here. I have an extreme dislike for iTunes, but I love my iPhone.
However, I like the direction Windows Phone is going, and if iOS isn't redesigned next year or the hardware is yet another glass phone, I'm going to think about getting Window Phone 8 when it ships. I don't like where Google is going with Android and I don't like Google services except for Gmail so I won't bother with their handsets, which feel cheap, plasticky and have that ever present lag with the Android OS.
One thing I have a problem with however. I wish Microsoft would make a "flagship" phone that uses high end materials to make a truly stunning, all-in-one, monster device that is hard to break.
Why haven't they done this yet?
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So the wp7 devices are built better than the android devices of last year, with the exact same hardware ?
All the google devices are plasticy ?
I don't think you're using many handsets, and also belive you don't understand ms doesn't need a flagship, its selling for bottom to mid range price points, and soon will be going for even lower priced sets. Look at all the handsets from nokia they hope to replace.. very cheap devices indeedy.

ohgood said:
So the wp7 devices are built better than the android devices of last year, with the exact same hardware ?
All the google devices are plasticy ?
I don't think you're using many handsets, and also belive you don't understand ms doesn't need a flagship, its selling for bottom to mid range price points, and soon will be going for even lower priced sets. Look at all the handsets from nokia they hope to replace.. very cheap devices indeedy.
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there are a huge number of low end android models, I dont think even the biggest fanboy could deny that...
Unlike android, wp7 doesn't need huge specs to run well.
My quantum with a first gen snapdragon runs better than my HTC with a second gen 1ghz snapdragon did.

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I don't think you're using many handsets, and also belive you don't understand ms doesn't need a flagship, its selling for bottom to mid range price points, and soon will be going for even lower priced sets. Look at all the handsets from nokia they hope to replace.. very cheap devices indeedy.
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Too be fair, representatives of Nokia have already confirmed higher end devices than what we're seeing now as well.

To me it's Nokia's phones.

PG2G said:
Too be fair, representatives of Nokia have already confirmed higher end devices than what we're seeing now as well.
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I agree, but given todays hardware, if nokia released a dual core 8mp phone with a 32gb sdcard, it would still only be average compared to todays market.
Think how cool it would be to have a razr that instead of being so thin had a battery covering its entire back, say 3000mah, good for 4 days... just saying.
Middle of the road hardware isn't going to move people from android or iphone. I'm thinking the idea for low end devices may just be right to win basement buying new users. Maybe.

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I dont think you get my point..
With google there are a load of budget handsets, so a lot of the point of the nexus is to have a really quality device that stands out. Specs that will last, a dev phone basically.
With wp7 the specs are standardized, the phones may differ slightly but all in all quality travels through the entire line.
That's just my take
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I think what Microsoft needs more than anything right now is a fantastic high quality phone. Many people are turned off by WP7 because the phones don't have the build quality of an iPhone. If Microsoft were to make a dev phone that could stand the test of time and look amazing, people would finally let go of their shiny iOS device.
The second issue is app availability. If Microsoft did a "Nexus" program where developers were given the phone for free in a grand display of support and it were sold to consumers on every carrier, there would be a lot more apps out there for it.
What I'm trying to say here is: Microsoft's weakness is that it doesn't have a "unifying" device like iOS and Google has. Once they do that too, they'll have a chance at a real 3 horse race.

Agree, it's going to be Nokia that drives WP forward.
Nokia need WP to succeed or they are out of business.

Nokia will be the leader for WP7. Microsoft needs to drop a flagship device. People look at specs now they want the most powerful phone with all the bells and whistles. Im personally waiting on the flagship Nokia WP7.5 device

937dytboi said:
Nokia will be the leader for WP7. Microsoft needs to drop a flagship device. People look at specs now they want the most powerful phone with all the bells and whistles. Im personally waiting on the flagship Nokia WP7.5 device
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We're going to need to wait for Windows Phone 8 to have anything competitively spec'd, unfortunately.

MrGaius said:
Hello, current iPhone and Windows 7 PC user here. I have an extreme dislike for iTunes, but I love my iPhone.
However, I like the direction Windows Phone is going, and if iOS isn't redesigned next year or the hardware is yet another glass phone, I'm going to think about getting Window Phone 8 when it ships. I don't like where Google is going with Android and I don't like Google services except for Gmail so I won't bother with their handsets, which feel cheap, plasticky and have that ever present lag with the Android OS.
One thing I have a problem with however. I wish Microsoft would make a "flagship" phone that uses high end materials to make a truly stunning, all-in-one, monster device that is hard to break.
Why haven't they done this yet?
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Tried the HTC Titan with Mango on it yet?
If you did, you would forget Nexus. Nexus will need to amend things for 12 more months to be even closer to HTC Titan, forget being as good!

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The second issue is app availability. If Microsoft did a "Nexus" program where developers were given the phone for free in a grand display of support and it were sold to consumers on every carrier, there would be a lot more apps out there for it.
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You should read up on how much microsoft and nokia have done for developers

drupad2drupad said:
Tried the HTC Titan with Mango on it yet?
If you did, you would forget Nexus. Nexus will need to amend things for 12 more months to be even closer to HTC Titan, forget being as good!
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Are you refering o the hardware, or the software ?

937dytboi said:
Nokia will be the leader for WP7. Microsoft needs to drop a flagship device. People look at specs now they want the most powerful phone with all the bells and whistles. Im personally waiting on the flagship Nokia WP7.5 device
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http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-lumia-900-hit-us-early-2012

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We're going to need to wait for Windows Phone 8 to have anything competitively spec'd, unfortunately.
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Yeah. Apollo is where the tide is going to turn. Might be a year too late though.

Double standards?

What I don't understand is at the start of the year we had the big show down of the GS4 vs the HTC One. People were going spec crazy to even the fact that the GS4 must be better because it has DDR3 or the HTC One screen must be better because the PPI is 480 (my phone says 480) to the GS4s 441. We even had people complain that the GS4 was a pentile screen and it didn't look as sharp as the HTC One and that OLED fades over time and if you have a static image on for too long, you'll see burn in. I can confirm the screen burn with OLEDs, the phones I've had in the past with OLED screens always get it.
However suddenly when it comes to Nokia they seem to get away with selling you dated hardware. It's 720p, the PPI is 334 and it's a PENTILE OLED screen...... they even put this tinted black glass over the front to try and hide the future screen burn. Somehow Nokia get away with it and people don't care, where it comes to everyone else however, they'll get scrutinized and people will say it's **** straight away.
Not only that but you're getting a dated S4 dual core and an Adreno 225 which is 2/3 years old at this point. What Nokia are basically doing is selling you last years hardware at $300 on contract! I could accept the argument that Windows Phone doesn't need better hardware or whatever, though nor does Android. My Galaxy S2 never had any lag or weird issues at the time it was released, it was one of the fastest phones out there. It's easy to look back at it now and say it was a PoS, that's because the software has evolved to the point it's showing its age. My point is, I'm not going to buy a phone that is crazy expensive, to get dated hardware that is now so cheap that Nokia must be making a mint.
I keep seeing this argument of how Android is laggy and requires 1000 cores to run properly. It's just not the case, I have a HTC One and Android runs perfectly smooth, no stutter and nothing has pushed it in terms of gaming and the browser is mega fast. If I put the HTC One next to a Windows phone in a store and compare them, I'm not seeing Android lag at all. In fact what I do see is the browser on the HTC One is way faster and it boots up a hell of a lot faster and the animation on the scroll is smoother, where it looks like it is dropping frames on the Windows Phone.
Windows Phone is smooth on the whole yeah, however it's a myth to me that Android is a laggy pos that requires a super computer to run well. I look at my usage on my HTC One and what does it say? 2 cores in use, 2 cores on idle and it's clocked at 1.1ghrz. So in reality Android doesn't need 4 cores to run well, those cores are only used from moment to moment when the cpu requires it. The same with memory, my phone is using 768mb ram right now, it doesn't need 2gb of ram, though I'm guessing a chunk of that is for the GPU as well, when it comes to memory, more is always better as it allows games to use larger texture files and what not. So I just don't get why you'd spend more money for less, I don't find that acceptable, yeah if the price was cheaper then it would be fine but... it isn't.
Battery life as well for the 1020 is meant to be horrible if you actually use the thing you buy it for, the camera. It's only 2000MaH and you cannot replace it and from my experience with the 808, you really need to replace that battery if you're taking lots of shots. If an Android device got that poor battery life, people would be going crazy, yet it's another thing that because it's Nokia... let them get away with it. I get 1-2 days out of my HTC One, it's only like 300MaH more than the Nokia 1020 and the 920, it's proof again for me that Android doesn't drain battery life mad, it's how you use it. You have freedom on Android to use the device how you life, I'm sure if you have 6 pages of widgets and you have every app open from under the sun in the background, you will drain battery. I'm just glad I have the freedom to do that and with true multitasking, not just a saved state.
I have to come onto form factor as well, again if an Android phone was as big as a 920 or a 1020 then people would be going crazy, even if it was an iPhone. Every review says the 920 is giant and hard to fit into your pocket and every review says the 1020 is horrible to hold because they put the camera bump too low down. Why do they get a free pass from that? People hated how the HTC One rocked about on a flat surface but no one seems to care that the 1020 is even worse.
Windows Phone lacks apps, it's a restrictive OS where you have to wait for Microsoft to do everything for you. It's basically a worse IOS with a different look, both pride themselves on being smooth but where Windows Phone lacks functionality, people give it a free ride because it looks different. I see so much hate on IOS because of Apple and how it's a closed OS, yet the same people do not care it's the same for Windows Phone. If Microsoft made it open like the desktop, I'd be so happy, however I hate having to wait years for them to do something, when a custom rom would have already done it on Android. Yet in every argument, the good points of Android never come up, it's always these unfounded arguments of how poorly it runs. I just think do your research, if you're going to buy a PoS phone that runs Android, then that's your own fault, you can find those cheap good for nothing phones on any platform.
At the end of the day though the 920 had a mediocre over saturated camera where the images were far too soft. I remember a website doing a blind comparison and funnily enough the iPhone 5 was everyone's favourite because Apple just get the software so right. The 1020's focus is obviously the camera and technically it beats everything but the 808, which lets be honest isn't really a smart phone as it runs Symbian. I've owned an 808, I've compared pictures to the 1020 and the 808 looks much better, especially in full resolution mode. I had to sell the 808 because I couldn't stand being on Symbian any longer and a camera doesn't make a phone, I can buy a separate camera and I have. I have a go pro 3 for my Motorcycle and I have a DSLR for shooting pictures I actually care how they turn out... obviously a DSLR beats even the 808 and 1020.
Again though I think the 1020s camera is flawed, it doesn't have a dedicated image processor, so images take so long to save. At the same time I could have taken 20 images on the HTC One or GS4 and for every day use they look just as good when you upload them to facebook or whatever people do. I think people are trying to treat the 1020 as some professional camera and forgetting about the rest of the phone. If you want a professional camera, there are much better options and you don't get locked into a 2 year contract paying $300 upfront. I do not feel that it's a good quick point of shoot like most other smart phones out there, just simply because it does take a long time to save images. Obviously the image quality is better, I've had first hand experience, however the images are over saturated like mad, judging by the 920, Nokia will not fix this. The images are over sharpened, you can not go down to ISO 50 and there is no ND filter for direct sunlight shots. So I don't see any advanced in this camera over say the 808 or a dedicated camera, I cannot see why it's hyped so much. The end result is too much grain and noise in the picture, especially if you use Nokia's automatic settings which just increase the ISO even in the daylight to 200... no wonder why there is so much noise. Realistically I want to be putting it to 50... yet I can't?
I think there is far too much hype for the phone that doesn't really do anything really well, the OIS could have been much better and the mic performance is lacking. I'm not sure if it's their software controlling the mics or if it's crap hardware. However it sounds like it's only recording in mono or it's really muffled or something, maybe Windows Phone doesn't support stereo recording?
You get these crazy rabid Nokia fanbois now just going crazy if there is any criticism and it's really weird. You don't get this from Android because people aren't tied to an OEM, people generally just go for the best handset that is released at that moment in time.

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What I don't understand is at the start of the year we had the big show down of the GS4 vs the HTC One. People were going spec crazy to even the fact that the GS4 must be better because it has DDR3 or the HTC One screen must be better because the PPI is 480 (my phone says 480) to the GS4s 441. We even had people complain that the GS4 was a pentile screen and it didn't look as sharp as the HTC One and that OLED fades over time and if you have a static image on for too long, you'll see burn in. I can confirm the screen burn with OLEDs, the phones I've had in the past with OLED screens always get it.
However suddenly when it comes to Nokia they seem to get away with selling you dated hardware. It's 720p, the PPI is 334 and it's a PENTILE OLED screen...... they even put this tinted black glass over the front to try and hide the future screen burn. Somehow Nokia get away with it and people don't care, where it comes to everyone else however, they'll get scrutinized and people will say it's **** straight away.
Not only that but you're getting a dated S4 dual core and an Adreno 225 which is 2/3 years old at this point. What Nokia are basically doing is selling you last years hardware at $300 on contract! I could accept the argument that Windows Phone doesn't need better hardware or whatever, though nor does Android. My Galaxy S2 never had any lag or weird issues at the time it was released, it was one of the fastest phones out there. It's easy to look back at it now and say it was a PoS, that's because the software has evolved to the point it's showing its age. My point is, I'm not going to buy a phone that is crazy expensive, to get dated hardware that is now so cheap that Nokia must be making a mint.
I keep seeing this argument of how Android is laggy and requires 1000 cores to run properly. It's just not the case, I have a HTC One and Android runs perfectly smooth, no stutter and nothing has pushed it in terms of gaming and the browser is mega fast. If I put the HTC One next to a Windows phone in a store and compare them, I'm not seeing Android lag at all. In fact what I do see is the browser on the HTC One is way faster and it boots up a hell of a lot faster and the animation on the scroll is smoother, where it looks like it is dropping frames on the Windows Phone.
Windows Phone is smooth on the whole yeah, however it's a myth to me that Android is a laggy pos that requires a super computer to run well. I look at my usage on my HTC One and what does it say? 2 cores in use, 2 cores on idle and it's clocked at 1.1ghrz. So in reality Android doesn't need 4 cores to run well, those cores are only used from moment to moment when the cpu requires it. The same with memory, my phone is using 768mb ram right now, it doesn't need 2gb of ram, though I'm guessing a chunk of that is for the GPU as well, when it comes to memory, more is always better as it allows games to use larger texture files and what not. So I just don't get why you'd spend more money for less, I don't find that acceptable, yeah if the price was cheaper then it would be fine but... it isn't.
Battery life as well for the 1020 is meant to be horrible if you actually use the thing you buy it for, the camera. It's only 2000MaH and you cannot replace it and from my experience with the 808, you really need to replace that battery if you're taking lots of shots. If an Android device got that poor battery life, people would be going crazy, yet it's another thing that because it's Nokia... let them get away with it. I get 1-2 days out of my HTC One, it's only like 300MaH more than the Nokia 1020 and the 920, it's proof again for me that Android doesn't drain battery life mad, it's how you use it. You have freedom on Android to use the device how you life, I'm sure if you have 6 pages of widgets and you have every app open from under the sun in the background, you will drain battery. I'm just glad I have the freedom to do that and with true multitasking, not just a saved state.
I have to come onto form factor as well, again if an Android phone was as big as a 920 or a 1020 then people would be going crazy, even if it was an iPhone. Every review says the 920 is giant and hard to fit into your pocket and every review says the 1020 is horrible to hold because they put the camera bump too low down. Why do they get a free pass from that? People hated how the HTC One rocked about on a flat surface but no one seems to care that the 1020 is even worse.
Windows Phone lacks apps, it's a restrictive OS where you have to wait for Microsoft to do everything for you. It's basically a worse IOS with a different look, both pride themselves on being smooth but where Windows Phone lacks functionality, people give it a free ride because it looks different. I see so much hate on IOS because of Apple and how it's a closed OS, yet the same people do not care it's the same for Windows Phone. If Microsoft made it open like the desktop, I'd be so happy, however I hate having to wait years for them to do something, when a custom rom would have already done it on Android. Yet in every argument, the good points of Android never come up, it's always these unfounded arguments of how poorly it runs. I just think do your research, if you're going to buy a PoS phone that runs Android, then that's your own fault, you can find those cheap good for nothing phones on any platform.
At the end of the day though the 920 had a mediocre over saturated camera where the images were far too soft. I remember a website doing a blind comparison and funnily enough the iPhone 5 was everyone's favourite because Apple just get the software so right. The 1020's focus is obviously the camera and technically it beats everything but the 808, which lets be honest isn't really a smart phone as it runs Symbian. I've owned an 808, I've compared pictures to the 1020 and the 808 looks much better, especially in full resolution mode. I had to sell the 808 because I couldn't stand being on Symbian any longer and a camera doesn't make a phone, I can buy a separate camera and I have. I have a go pro 3 for my Motorcycle and I have a DSLR for shooting pictures I actually care how they turn out... obviously a DSLR beats even the 808 and 1020.
Again though I think the 1020s camera is flawed, it doesn't have a dedicated image processor, so images take so long to save. At the same time I could have taken 20 images on the HTC One or GS4 and for every day use they look just as good when you upload them to facebook or whatever people do. I think people are trying to treat the 1020 as some professional camera and forgetting about the rest of the phone. If you want a professional camera, there are much better options and you don't get locked into a 2 year contract paying $300 upfront. I do not feel that it's a good quick point of shoot like most other smart phones out there, just simply because it does take a long time to save images. Obviously the image quality is better, I've had first hand experience, however the images are over saturated like mad, judging by the 920, Nokia will not fix this. The images are over sharpened, you can not go down to ISO 50 and there is no ND filter for direct sunlight shots. So I don't see any advanced in this camera over say the 808 or a dedicated camera, I cannot see why it's hyped so much. The end result is too much grain and noise in the picture, especially if you use Nokia's automatic settings which just increase the ISO even in the daylight to 200... no wonder why there is so much noise. Realistically I want to be putting it to 50... yet I can't?
I think there is far too much hype for the phone that doesn't really do anything really well, the OIS could have been much better and the mic performance is lacking. I'm not sure if it's their software controlling the mics or if it's crap hardware. However it sounds like it's only recording in mono or it's really muffled or something, maybe Windows Phone doesn't support stereo recording?
You get these crazy rabid Nokia fanbois now just going crazy if there is any criticism and it's really weird. You don't get this from Android because people aren't tied to an OEM, people generally just go for the best handset that is released at that moment in time.
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The hype is for the camera. It is much better than anything out there. There are dozens of reviews for this phone already. They have regurgitated the same things you have listed. No one in the mainstream tech media is trying to distort the truth. Just because searching Lumia 1020 on Google turns up a million hits from MyNokiaBlog and WPCentral and WMPoweruser, the domain names should already make it obvious. These are fansites and propaganda sites with almost zero traffic. Just because you see them often on Google or twitter doesn't mean everyone is gushing over the Lumia 1020 and ignoring or justifying all its failings. No one has this phone and no one is buying this phone. The Lumia 1020 forum at WPCentral is almost dead and this forum is practically dead. This is the internet. It should be pretty obvious that it only takes one or two people posting incessantly to make it feel like a legion.
Lol people call me a troll when I post long rants about the Lumia 1020. But this is a real troll rant. Blowing up little flaws and non-issues, or spinning misinformation. It's like an aggregate or everything bad that has been ever said about this phone, true or false, for the sake of piling it on instead of real concern. I actually care about the Pureview tech, so I complain alot. I think you're just bored.

Nothing I said was false.

All true things no doubt. But if you value having a truly great camera in your pocket, then the shortcomings are able to be quite easily overlooked.
The only things lasting more than two years in your phone are your pictures - why not get the best ones possible so you can have good mementos?
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Wow... you really need to get back on your medications dude. Maybe get outside more.

LagunaCid said:
All true things no doubt. But if you value having a truly great camera in your pocket, then the shortcomings are able to be quite easily overlooked.
The only things lasting more than two years in your phone are your pictures - why not get the best ones possible so you can have good mementos?
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Exactly. During his techno-babble rant against the 1020 (or is it the 920? or WP in general? )... the one spec that the OP forgot to mention ... the one that is most salient to why the 1020 is getting hype... the one that everyone is talking about... the fact that it has a 41MB camera. Oops, must have forgotten that one. I'll say it again, FORTY ONE MEGABYTE camera. That is not a leap in phone technology and innovation, it is a freakin rocket launch. That absolutely crushes all existing smart phones, beats most point-and-shoots, and even produces better photos than some entry level DSLRs. None of the other specs matter if the OS runs smooth (save maybe the screen argument... although you blew that too. Ive had a 920 since it came out and there is no sign of fading or burn-in at all, and never will be during its useful life). Number of cores... GHZ processor... blah... blah... blah... none of that matters if the user experience is excellent, which it is and you even admitted:
Windows Phone is smooth on the whole yeah
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Having quad core this or over-clocked that does a WP user no good because unlike android, it doesn't need it to run properly. That is stuff that android users haggle about. But the one things that your phone won't ever do... ever... with all it's technical superiority and all... is take 41-freakin-MB photo

You know what really grinds my gears with Nokia? Battery. Can they at least ball up and put something that actually lasts? 2000mAh is n.o.t.h.i.n.g. for smartphone these days, especially phone with CPU/data active OS like WP. Got 920 and then swapped it for 925 (work phones), and i really really don't talk that often or use it, and i couldn't even last a day without shutting things down. Sad.

I am an amateur photographer, I had the lumia 1020 phone since release and I haven't looked back. In matter of fact I stopped using my galaxy note II completely. Alot of people say megapixels are over rated but 41mp has been really helpful to me, I can crop out like 5 individual pictures out of 1 shot without losing quality.

smuook said:
Exactly. During his techno-babble rant against the 1020 (or is it the 920? or WP in general? )... the one spec that the OP forgot to mention ... the one that is most salient to why the 1020 is getting hype... the one that everyone is talking about... the fact that it has a 41MB camera. Oops, must have forgotten that one. I'll say it again, FORTY ONE MEGABYTE camera. That is not a leap in phone technology and innovation, it is a freakin rocket launch. That absolutely crushes all existing smart phones, beats most point-and-shoots, and even produces better photos than some entry level DSLRs. None of the other specs matter if the OS runs smooth (save maybe the screen argument... although you blew that too. Ive had a 920 since it came out and there is no sign of fading or burn-in at all, and never will be during its useful life). Number of cores... GHZ processor... blah... blah... blah... none of that matters if the user experience is excellent, which it is and you even admitted:
Having quad core this or over-clocked that does a WP user no good because unlike android, it doesn't need it to run properly. That is stuff that android users haggle about. But the one things that your phone won't ever do... ever... with all it's technical superiority and all... is take 41-freakin-MB photo
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You mean 41 Mega Pixel photos? 41 MP not MB. I can make most cameras take a 41MB picture but it doesnt mean its going to look good. Its an innovation for its packaged size as in for its ability to be designed into a relatively thin form factor. In fact the full 41 MP, photos are not as good as its down sampled 5MP version. The hardware on the 1020 is solid only the camera is bleeding edge. My problem with WP is not the hardware or the UI its the app ecosystem. The lack of the apps I absolutely need keeps me from getting one. I had a 920 last year for a week and the lack of my most used apps was just too much. I waited and those apps still arent on WP. I will continue to wait till WP has the apps I need before I buy another one.