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instant messenging question

I am currently running wm6 and am looking for an aim messenger. I do not have a data plan but I do have unlimited text messages. Since the agile messenger uses data, would I rack up a huge bill using data or can i have it use my text messages instead? I am just a little confused about using data vs. sms. Also, does agile messenger work with WiFi? Thanks for the help!

tman1425 said:
I am currently running wm6 and am looking for an aim messenger. I do not have a data plan but I do have unlimited text messages. Since the agile messenger uses data, would I rack up a huge bill using data or can i have it use my text messages instead? I am just a little confused about using data vs. sms. Also, does agile messenger work with WiFi? Thanks for the help!
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1. Most messengers use data. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323654 -, making sure you follow the links back to the PPC article.
I don't know of a specific Smartphone version of any IM app to support SMS messages - as opposed to the PPC platform. I may be wrong, though.
2. are you really sure using data is THAT expensive? 10-20 kbytes an hour? That's most these IM apps use.

Does MSN Live Messenger use internet or SMS?

Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.

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here is the answer...
from how I get charged, i honestly can see that it is BOTH text message and data because u need data/internet to access those messenger services and each message u enter in msn live or aim counts as a text message.
thankfully for me, i have family unlimited texting and internet/data plan for my phone... but those messenger usually lags unless u are on 3G or some better connection.

Is that for RC30 and RC8 or just RC30? I thought it just used data.

TommyPickles said:
Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.
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The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones. I've heard conflicting reports about MSN though but I would put money on the bulk of it being through SMS. Honestly though, IM through SMS is terrible and has been for years. It's laggy, never up to date and loves to double and triple sends messages. It's the price you pay for not having a data plan.

I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350

TimSykes said:
I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350
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I've been quietly waiting for these guys as well but at this rate they are turning into another Cerulean Studios. Soon™.

HAHA good point.

TimSykes said:
HAHA good point.
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Joking aside they do have a solid product but at this point I'm just tired of waiting indefinitely. Although, as a G1 owner I should be used to this by now.

Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.

vr24 said:
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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Do you know anything about Australian cellular providers or the OP? No? I didn't think so. If you have nothing to add then move on without brain vomiting on the Post button.

Do I get that right: Every IM messenger from market sends out sms instead of data messages as it normally should? So Hello AIM, Membo IM etc. too?

no the g1 built in IM program uses SMS. Hello AIM uses the internet connection.

Oh, thank god. I was confused by this "The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones"....
Thx!

vr24 said:
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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with the g1 plan you get unlimited data, and I think 400 messaging. Or people like myself who dont use the g1 plan have unlimited data, and no messaging but still use t-mobile.

I'm on JF 1.41 RC8 and I just used my prepaid sim in my G1 and chatted on msn for a bit then sent 1 text messages afterwards.
It only deducted the credit for my 1 sms afterwards so I'm fairly confident the IM app (at least Live Messenger) just uses data.

You can use all messengers (aol, icq, msn etc) through standard gtalk application. Just configure jabber transport from other network to gtalk server. Instructions can be googled easily (here an example: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html)

Live Messenger Problem
Running the latest JesusFreke RC8 update, with the extra IM clients built into it, and I am receiving the following error when I try to sign into Live Messenger:
Unable to sign into the MSN service. Please try again later.
(Detail: Sorry, the phone number cannot be read from your sim card. Please contact your operator for help).
I have the phone on a T-Mobile contract, and I ported my number over from another network when I got the phone.
Any ideas on what could cause this problem?

Someone on another forum said they could only get live messenger to work while on wifi. Dont know if that helps.
Are you using the stock im apps? They use sms texts to send not data. This might be the problem you are having.

Yes, I am using the stock IM apps. Are there better alternatives?

msn=sms?

Hi all, i was on the phone with t-mo today and the girl told me that the msn\live messenger messages that i send and recieve uses SMSes and not internet.
is that true or was she plain stupid?
i've researched this online and coudlnt get a conclusive answer so i thouhgt i'd ask you guys since some of you have prolly seen the code itself and can answer me correctly and easily...
so which is it - internet or texts?
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From what I understand, the IM app is counted towards text messages, this means, google, MSN, Yahoo, AOL messages within the stock IM app is text messages.

I think GTalk use the Internet (wifi/3g or whatever data connection you're on) while other "chat" services use SMS.
But now there's free Hi MSN in the Market (and Meebo has been for quite some time) when you want to use MSN "for real".
/Mats

GTalk will works over the internet, either via 3G or WiFi.
All other protocols will only use WiFi over the internet - any conversations via a cellular network will be via SMS and not over 3G/GPRS.
Regards,
Dave

wow!
that's absurd!
nobody said anything about it either!
why did they do that?!

The crap? That sounds like the stupidest thing ever. Leave it to a cell carrier to come up with a stupid idea like that. Just use Hi MSN or Hi AIM.

The carrier makes money on the text messages, Google gets GTalk usage - and he consumer is - as always - screwed. "Business plan" is another word for the phenomenon...
(Don't get me wrong -I love most of Google's stuff, even GTalk - but as virtually no one else use GTalk, it's pretty useless to me...)
/Mats

Aim / msn

Coming from the nexus one, i noticed that there are now aim and msn messager sync options. Does anyone know if the stand alone instant messaging client uses push or not?
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App

I believe the built-in IM client uses SMS, so it should be near instant. Be careful if you don't have unlimited texts on your plan.

stoli412 said:
I believe the built-in IM client uses SMS, so it should be near instant. Be careful if you don't have unlimited texts on your plan.
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Maybe on the older VZW phones... but why would it use SMS when it should be using data on a smart phone?
Granted, I just use Meebo and never set up those accounts.

METDeath said:
Maybe on the older VZW phones... but why would it use SMS when it should be using data on a smart phone?
Granted, I just use Meebo and never set up those accounts.
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I can't answer the question as to why, but I'm 99% positive the built-in app uses SMS. Whenever you sign up it shows some sort of message that it will use your SMS.
Actually if you have an unlimited SMS plan, it's not a bad idea. You get near-instant IM notification pretty much anywhere you have a 1X signal, don't have to worry about a background service running and draining extra battery, etc.

Facebook / Messages (SMS) (WP7.5 8107 Omnia W)

Hi all!
I just moved from Android (HD2 MIUI) to WP7.5 (Omnia W i8350 fw: 8107 locked) and I noticed a couple of things:
- SMS and Facebook chat are merged, without any timeline order. I'll try to explain (I'm Italian, I'm sorry if I'll spell anything wrong):
SMS sent from my gf at 11.00 AM, received at 11.00:03 AM on my device
Facebook Chat message sent from my girlfriend at 10.30 AM, wifi/data enabled on my device at 11.30 AM, Facebook Chat message received at 11.30 AM.
In my message hub the last interaction with my gf that I'll see will be her FB Chat Message (and my reply will pass through FB by default, instead of SMS).
Isn't that strange?
- There's, in the marketplace, an official FB App, that has at least half an hour delay between any notify and doesn't notify any private message to me.
Is the any alternative that could work better?
Trust me, moving from an HD2 that has been able to run WM6.5, WP7.5, Android easily to a locked WP7 device is quite confusing, but I'll try hard to make it work at his best.

DaemonMX said:
Hi all!
SMS sent from my gf at 11.00 AM, received at 11.00:03 AM on my device
Facebook Chat message sent from my girlfriend at 10.30 AM, wifi/data enabled on my device at 11.30 AM, Facebook Chat message received at 11.30 AM.
In my message hub the last interaction with my gf that I'll see will be her FB Chat Message (and my reply will pass through FB by default, instead of SMS).
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Windows Phone will always use the message service that was last used. Since you only enabled data conenction at 11:30 am this was the last message your phone received and it assumes you want to use this protocol/service. You can manually change the protocol/service using the double arrow icon in the lower right.
EDIT: The built in facebook messenger works fine for me. There are only a few (5-10) seconds delay until I receive my facebook messages, no need for me to ever use the facebook app...

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Windows Phone will always use the message service that was last used. Since you only enabled data conenction at 11:30 am this was the last message your phone received and it assumes you want to use this protocol/service. You can manually change the protocol/service using the double arrow icon in the lower right.
EDIT: The built in facebook messenger works fine for me. There are only a few (5-10) seconds delay until I receive my facebook messages, no need for me to ever use the facebook app...
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Yup, I could understand "why" the system uses the last service used as long as I'm or I'm not using data/wifi, but it's chronologically wrong.
I'm expecting to see the FB message before the last SMS, just because it has been sent before by the other user. (It's just a matter of timeline) If WP7 is able to merge every conversation between sms/facebook it would be fine to get each message in the right time order, isn't it? What if I don't turn on data/wifi for a week, I'd get FB messages one week old as "last" interaction with the other person, even if I wrote him/her by SMS just a minute before?
Of course I'm not expandind the issue to the fact that I've already read on FB that message, and it could be in any way notified as "already seen" on my phone. Leaving SMS / Facebook services in different apps, just like Whatsapp, Hotmail, Gmail, etc. is certainly less "integrated, nice, next gen, artistic, or what else", but more efficient in their real use: to comunicate.
P.S. The delay is really lower on the built in messenger, the app seems to have some different default settings.

DaemonMX said:
I'm expecting to see the FB message before the last SMS, just because it has been sent before by the other user.
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WP7 doesn't know when it was sent, though. It only knows when it was delivered to the phone.
DaemonMX said:
Leaving SMS / Facebook services in different apps, just like Whatsapp, Hotmail, Gmail, etc. is certainly less "integrated, nice, next gen, artistic, or what else", but more efficient in their real use: to comunicate.
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I disagree with that, the unified messaging hub is great because I can instantly see all communication with that user independant from the service used. If you still prefer to have non unified messages, you can do that. To quote the famous apple qoute: "there's an app for that!".
Apps like IM+ (search for "implus" on the market), Nimbuzz allow you to connect to Facebook and Windows Live Messenger (among others).
Miyowa allows you to connect to Windos Live Messenger and for Facebook only I found an app called "Fim Chat"
Knock yourself out
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DaemonMX said:
Of course I'm not expandind the issue to the fact that I've already read on FB that message, and it could be in any way notified as "already seen" on my phone.
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This would not be feasible or practical in my oppinion. For one, this would require Facebook to somehow notify the client (phone) that a message has been read and to force the client to delete it. This is not how IM clients work. I think it would be a bad move if a service could "recall" or "delete" already delivered messages. If you're going to read your FB messages using a different client anyways, why stay signed in using the built in client?