Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.
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here is the answer...
from how I get charged, i honestly can see that it is BOTH text message and data because u need data/internet to access those messenger services and each message u enter in msn live or aim counts as a text message.
thankfully for me, i have family unlimited texting and internet/data plan for my phone... but those messenger usually lags unless u are on 3G or some better connection.
Is that for RC30 and RC8 or just RC30? I thought it just used data.
TommyPickles said:
Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.
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The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones. I've heard conflicting reports about MSN though but I would put money on the bulk of it being through SMS. Honestly though, IM through SMS is terrible and has been for years. It's laggy, never up to date and loves to double and triple sends messages. It's the price you pay for not having a data plan.
I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350
TimSykes said:
I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350
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I've been quietly waiting for these guys as well but at this rate they are turning into another Cerulean Studios. Soon™.
HAHA good point.
TimSykes said:
HAHA good point.
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Joking aside they do have a solid product but at this point I'm just tired of waiting indefinitely. Although, as a G1 owner I should be used to this by now.
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
vr24 said:
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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Do you know anything about Australian cellular providers or the OP? No? I didn't think so. If you have nothing to add then move on without brain vomiting on the Post button.
Do I get that right: Every IM messenger from market sends out sms instead of data messages as it normally should? So Hello AIM, Membo IM etc. too?
no the g1 built in IM program uses SMS. Hello AIM uses the internet connection.
Oh, thank god. I was confused by this "The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones"....
Thx!
vr24 said:
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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with the g1 plan you get unlimited data, and I think 400 messaging. Or people like myself who dont use the g1 plan have unlimited data, and no messaging but still use t-mobile.
I'm on JF 1.41 RC8 and I just used my prepaid sim in my G1 and chatted on msn for a bit then sent 1 text messages afterwards.
It only deducted the credit for my 1 sms afterwards so I'm fairly confident the IM app (at least Live Messenger) just uses data.
You can use all messengers (aol, icq, msn etc) through standard gtalk application. Just configure jabber transport from other network to gtalk server. Instructions can be googled easily (here an example: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html)
Live Messenger Problem
Running the latest JesusFreke RC8 update, with the extra IM clients built into it, and I am receiving the following error when I try to sign into Live Messenger:
Unable to sign into the MSN service. Please try again later.
(Detail: Sorry, the phone number cannot be read from your sim card. Please contact your operator for help).
I have the phone on a T-Mobile contract, and I ported my number over from another network when I got the phone.
Any ideas on what could cause this problem?
Someone on another forum said they could only get live messenger to work while on wifi. Dont know if that helps.
Are you using the stock im apps? They use sms texts to send not data. This might be the problem you are having.
Yes, I am using the stock IM apps. Are there better alternatives?
Related
I dont have a data plan on my phone but i have unlimited text. Is there a IM program (mainly for yahoo IM) that i can use on my phone that will send and receive via text messages? I have a ATT 8525 and no ROM i have ever put on it has a prog like that.
Umm, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I was sure the messaging program that comes on AT&T phones uses messages instead of data.
it possibly could, but i the 8525 doesn't have one. but also, if it shows a list of who is online and to login, wouldnt it have to use data to do that?
leoingle said:
it possibly could, but i the 8525 doesn't have one. but also, if it shows a list of who is online and to login, wouldnt it have to use data to do that?
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If that's your justification, wouldn't every IM program need to use data to do that?
I think I had found in this forum a thread on howto use the built in msn client of a us phone with a foreign simcard (doesnt work normally because tmobile sends this messages via sms and charges you I think).
I searched now for 30 minutes and I cant find the thread anymore, or the page where the modification was described (it works, I have done it one my phone, then it sends messages via data). Any help from you ? Perhaps someone knows the website ?
Thanks
Hate to break this to you, but the built in MSN client uses WIFI.... or the built in data plan.... there shouldn't be anything regarding SMS I think? I could be totally wrong though....
But I have it working without the SMS function....
Aism
meeker, you are right, the msn client does not use messaging.
Meeker said:
Hate to break this to you, but the built in MSN client uses WIFI.... or the built in data plan....
Aism
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It seems that when using a non-T-Mobile SIM card, the built-in MSN client wouldn't work, giving a strange message saying it cannot read the phone number from the SIM card, and refuse to sign in to the server.
I'd love to know if anyone has a solution to this as I sometimes need to use IM over EDGE/GPRS when I am on the road.
KS
Update: I think I found the link with information about a solution.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-452364.html
@Keyser.Soze
Many many thanks for the link, that was exactly what I tried to find. Again: Thank you !
Happy new year !
I have tried to follow the instructions featured in this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-452364.html
However, when I tried to use the command "cat /sdcard/IM.odex > /system/app/IM.odex"
The system will give me an error message: "write : no space left on device"]
I am using the modded RC30 firmware version 1.2 and would appreciate it if anyone can give me some advice on this. Thanks in advance!
KS
Strange, worked here.
did you remove the usb cord as told in the manual ? Dont know if that can be the reason....
I have a tmobile sim card but without the specific g1 data plan..and I have the same issue. Also I don't have a g1 with root permissions but only factory R30 firmware.
So no solutions for me?lol
Thanks Christian
hi
are you guys sure that t-mobile dont use messaging when sending messages in msn messenger?
because i had the unlimited data plan and 400 txt messages before and everytime i use msn messenger i checked online for the txt messages used and i had the exact amount left that i used on msn messenger
but only in msn messenger, yahoo and aol, not on the gtalk app.
so i had to switch to unlimited txt messages .
alfmetal said:
hi
are you guys sure that t-mobile dont use messaging when sending messages in msn messenger?
because i had the unlimited data plan and 400 txt messages before and everytime i use msn messenger i checked online for the txt messages used and i had the exact amount left that i used on msn messenger
but only in msn messenger, yahoo and aol, not on the gtalk app.
so i had to switch to unlimited txt messages .
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if you have a g1 plan then it should not be using text messaging, the text messaging MSN messenger program itself hasnt been installed on devices for quite some time.
PAO1908 said:
Strange, worked here.
did you remove the usb cord as told in the manual ? Dont know if that can be the reason....
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I found out what the problem was and it was that /system ran out of free space. After re-flashing to the modded RC8 firmware, I had some free space and was able to copy IM.odex to /system/app. However, after rebooting when I tried to launch IM, it will just go back to the desktop after a couple of seconds. I will try to download the modified IM.odex again and see if I had a corrupted one by accident...
KS
@Keyser.Soze:
Any luck installing it? Did you tried with RC8 Jesusfreke v1.3?
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@Keyser.Soze:
Any luck installing it? Did you tried with RC8 Jesusfreke v1.3?
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I updated to v1.3 today and I noticed that there's more free space in /system. I was able to copy IM.odex to /system/app but after reboot I still get the same result: the IM program won't launch now and will throw me back to the desktop in a second. Don't know what's wrong...
Hmm, i wonder if we can get in contact with the original poster... he didnt really describe how he made/patched IM.odex to make it work. Perhaps its a version problem atm?
MSN does use txt messages just got my bill for 160$ i had the g1 unlimited data plan with 400 txt msgs
should i call t-mobile?
Just tried this myself and its not working for me either.
Currently using JF's RC8 and it just starts to open the IM app then closes and goes back to the home straight away... would really like to get this working.
Phil
Keyser.Soze said:
It seems that when using a non-T-Mobile SIM card, the built-in MSN client wouldn't work, giving a strange message saying it cannot read the phone number from the SIM card, and refuse to sign in to the server.
I'd love to know if anyone has a solution to this as I sometimes need to use IM over EDGE/GPRS when I am on the road.
KS
Update: I think I found the link with information about a solution.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-452364.html
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I'm in Canada, and my Phone has never touched T-mobile's networks.... (SP1 here, Activated by forcing Wifi) That said, I haven't had any problems with it, nor have I had SMS messages being used? That said, I don't have a data plan so I only connect by Wifi..... soooo your experiences may vary?
Meeker
I was having the same issue before and I just tried this fix and it worked perfectly. I have JF mod30 v1.3 installed and now I can log into msn fine.
But there is a reason that people are using rc8 instead of rc30... (because they dont want myfaves $$$)
Did anyone tried this hack on the ADP1?
I am pretty certain that the built in MSN client will work over WiFi, but not over a cellular IP data connection (GPRS, 3G etc).
I'm in the UK and I have an unlocked US device. When connected via WiFi, the MSN client will log in and work correctly, but if I disconnect from the WiFi network it will complain that it cannot read the phone number from my UK sim card.
Therefore, I believe that it designed to use SMS messages when it cannot connect via WiFi so that the operators can derive some revenue from it.
Regards,
Dave
Hi all, i was on the phone with t-mo today and the girl told me that the msn\live messenger messages that i send and recieve uses SMSes and not internet.
is that true or was she plain stupid?
i've researched this online and coudlnt get a conclusive answer so i thouhgt i'd ask you guys since some of you have prolly seen the code itself and can answer me correctly and easily...
so which is it - internet or texts?
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From what I understand, the IM app is counted towards text messages, this means, google, MSN, Yahoo, AOL messages within the stock IM app is text messages.
I think GTalk use the Internet (wifi/3g or whatever data connection you're on) while other "chat" services use SMS.
But now there's free Hi MSN in the Market (and Meebo has been for quite some time) when you want to use MSN "for real".
/Mats
GTalk will works over the internet, either via 3G or WiFi.
All other protocols will only use WiFi over the internet - any conversations via a cellular network will be via SMS and not over 3G/GPRS.
Regards,
Dave
wow!
that's absurd!
nobody said anything about it either!
why did they do that?!
The crap? That sounds like the stupidest thing ever. Leave it to a cell carrier to come up with a stupid idea like that. Just use Hi MSN or Hi AIM.
The carrier makes money on the text messages, Google gets GTalk usage - and he consumer is - as always - screwed. "Business plan" is another word for the phenomenon...
(Don't get me wrong -I love most of Google's stuff, even GTalk - but as virtually no one else use GTalk, it's pretty useless to me...)
/Mats
Ok heres my story , i have friends in Pakistan which i want to send sms's to every once in a while but since im in America international SMS's are pretty costly. I know if im sitting to my pc i can use those web to SMS sites like http://www.telenor.com.pk/services/webtosms.php but when im on my phone ( which is a touch pro and i have unlimited data so tht aint an issue) i cant load these sites as they use java and the app wont load on my phone.
My question is is there any way to get these kind of sites working , or any other way to send sms for free to pakistan ? specifically a telenor number?
Im open to any suggestions. Thanks.
Still looking for ideas please.
No one has any ideas??
If you can find out their provider's SMS email address, then you can email them and they'll receive it as a text.
For example, I'm with Bell Mobility, and their's is my 10-digit number followed by @txt.bellmobility.ca.
You can probably find it on the internet somewhere.
docnas said:
Im open to any suggestions. Thanks.
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Well, to begin, you do not have to use specialized services to send SMS. If you use IM, most major ones (AIM, Messenger, etc) will let you send SMS too. Likewise, if you install AIM/Messenger on your phone, you can use them to send SMS to your friend too.
If I may, however, I would suggest you use Google Voice. See, GV has a neat trick which allows you to do international SMS with no extra charge (do not try it with international calling, though, as it will not work). Using Google Voice is much, much easier, doesn't require any extra programs, and work exactly like a regular SMS (so you can SMS through your phone, but send through GV instead of regular). Prior warning, though: Sending SMS through GV won't get you any extra international cost, but it will still cost you the regular SMS charge, so if you do not have texting, be careful.
I myself have not done it, but others have already, and they reported success: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/voice/thread?tid=47d001a0c15f6f1e&hl=en
here in phil im using mjoy.com, i dont know if will work in ur country. sorry for my bad english.
OK i do have a GV account and have tried texting my frined with it but i dont think he gets the msgs so unfortunatly its a no go for me , from the link u posted it seems like a hit or miss kinda thing too.
That mjoy this looks intresting but its so slow still hoping there is some easy way
docnas said:
That mjoy this looks intresting but its so slow still hoping there is some easy way
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use opera mini instead of IE.
here the trick..
ex. if u want to send message to me grinminded.
go to free sms, compose and make a bookmark so every time u want to send message again to grinminded its 1click.
GB..
sorry for my bad english.
Hmm that would probably work will try tht book mark thing it should make it easier thanks.
SMS to Pakistan
I would try a free web sms from you phone at:
smsfree4all.com/free-text-pakistan.php
Let me know how it goes.
if im gonna use, for example, an IM app like windows live messenger, will it count in the messaging plan? or the data plan? how about third party apps like Fring?
P.S. im in USA. thanks.
It's not like sending sms, so it uses your data plan
yah, but im a little confused because it says sms, mms, pic msg, and IM in the messaging plan. so i guess i need more comments from at&t, or t-mobile users.
if you use the built in app. If you use a third party IM client like Slick, it just uses the Dataconnection, your provider has basically no chance knowing what you do on that connection, and of course it can not count as SMS if it is not sent that way.
a lot of IM clients that come pre installed on devices use SMS for sending IMs, solely to generate income. But basically all third parties you can download from the net use the data network and will only use a few kilobytes a day.
wow thanks. exactly the answer im looking for.
another question. how about windows live messenger? it's not pre-installed but it was recommended. hmmm