if im gonna use, for example, an IM app like windows live messenger, will it count in the messaging plan? or the data plan? how about third party apps like Fring?
P.S. im in USA. thanks.
It's not like sending sms, so it uses your data plan
yah, but im a little confused because it says sms, mms, pic msg, and IM in the messaging plan. so i guess i need more comments from at&t, or t-mobile users.
if you use the built in app. If you use a third party IM client like Slick, it just uses the Dataconnection, your provider has basically no chance knowing what you do on that connection, and of course it can not count as SMS if it is not sent that way.
a lot of IM clients that come pre installed on devices use SMS for sending IMs, solely to generate income. But basically all third parties you can download from the net use the data network and will only use a few kilobytes a day.
wow thanks. exactly the answer im looking for.
another question. how about windows live messenger? it's not pre-installed but it was recommended. hmmm
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Is Agile Messenger free as far as IMs or is every IM changed as a text?
Can someone please explain this to me before I spend 45 dollars for it. Thanks in advance.
Your paying for the software. IM's are free to send and receive.
cymru said:
Your paying for the software. IM's are free to send and receive.
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thanks..so as long as i buy the softwae thats it?
Agile uses Data
Agile messenger is different from OEM messengers in that they use your EDGE/GPRS/Ev-DO/UMTS/HSDPA connection to transfer data to the servers directly (like your IM clients on your PC or whatever) instead of via SMS/MMS (like IM clients on other cell phones do). Pretty much, you're paying for the software. Provided you've got a data plan, you're not paying for anything else (unless you go over your data limits, but that's between you and your cell provider)
You only pay for getting a licence of the software. It doesn't affect your IM messages, the only thing you'll pay for messaging will be to your GPRS provider
I am currently running wm6 and am looking for an aim messenger. I do not have a data plan but I do have unlimited text messages. Since the agile messenger uses data, would I rack up a huge bill using data or can i have it use my text messages instead? I am just a little confused about using data vs. sms. Also, does agile messenger work with WiFi? Thanks for the help!
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I am currently running wm6 and am looking for an aim messenger. I do not have a data plan but I do have unlimited text messages. Since the agile messenger uses data, would I rack up a huge bill using data or can i have it use my text messages instead? I am just a little confused about using data vs. sms. Also, does agile messenger work with WiFi? Thanks for the help!
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1. Most messengers use data. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323654 -, making sure you follow the links back to the PPC article.
I don't know of a specific Smartphone version of any IM app to support SMS messages - as opposed to the PPC platform. I may be wrong, though.
2. are you really sure using data is THAT expensive? 10-20 kbytes an hour? That's most these IM apps use.
Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.
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here is the answer...
from how I get charged, i honestly can see that it is BOTH text message and data because u need data/internet to access those messenger services and each message u enter in msn live or aim counts as a text message.
thankfully for me, i have family unlimited texting and internet/data plan for my phone... but those messenger usually lags unless u are on 3G or some better connection.
Is that for RC30 and RC8 or just RC30? I thought it just used data.
TommyPickles said:
Greetings,
When I purchased my ADP1 for here in Australia I was disappointed at first that the IM client did not come with MSN/Windows Live Messenger like it's T-Mobile G1 bretheren. But I was less upset when I read that the MSN client actually sends SMS's instead of using the internet. Unfortunately I can't find any post confirming/denying this!?
Can someone please confirm this if it is true? Because the JFv1.41 with RC33 installed on my ADP1 has it available under IM, and although somewhat slow to load up (I do have many contacts) it looks/feels as though its on the internet... I am still paranoid I will end up with a bill for thousands of dollars due to SMS's overseas to T-Mobile.
Cheers
Leon
PS. And for that matter can someone also confirm AIM and Yahoo! is not sending via SMS but rather internet? It may seem silly, but peace of mind for many I'm sure.
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The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones. I've heard conflicting reports about MSN though but I would put money on the bulk of it being through SMS. Honestly though, IM through SMS is terrible and has been for years. It's laggy, never up to date and loves to double and triple sends messages. It's the price you pay for not having a data plan.
I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350
TimSykes said:
I know palringo is working on a android app. it is in beta now, they use data only.
http://forum.palringo.com/en/gb/forum/discussion-rooms/enhancement-requests/android-t1350
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I've been quietly waiting for these guys as well but at this rate they are turning into another Cerulean Studios. Soon™.
HAHA good point.
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HAHA good point.
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Joking aside they do have a solid product but at this point I'm just tired of waiting indefinitely. Although, as a G1 owner I should be used to this by now.
Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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Do you know anything about Australian cellular providers or the OP? No? I didn't think so. If you have nothing to add then move on without brain vomiting on the Post button.
Do I get that right: Every IM messenger from market sends out sms instead of data messages as it normally should? So Hello AIM, Membo IM etc. too?
no the g1 built in IM program uses SMS. Hello AIM uses the internet connection.
Oh, thank god. I was confused by this "The Y! and AIM apps have always been through SMS on TMo builds for all of their phones"....
Thx!
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Who cares, you should have unlimited data and messaging when using the G1 anyways.
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with the g1 plan you get unlimited data, and I think 400 messaging. Or people like myself who dont use the g1 plan have unlimited data, and no messaging but still use t-mobile.
I'm on JF 1.41 RC8 and I just used my prepaid sim in my G1 and chatted on msn for a bit then sent 1 text messages afterwards.
It only deducted the credit for my 1 sms afterwards so I'm fairly confident the IM app (at least Live Messenger) just uses data.
You can use all messengers (aol, icq, msn etc) through standard gtalk application. Just configure jabber transport from other network to gtalk server. Instructions can be googled easily (here an example: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html)
Live Messenger Problem
Running the latest JesusFreke RC8 update, with the extra IM clients built into it, and I am receiving the following error when I try to sign into Live Messenger:
Unable to sign into the MSN service. Please try again later.
(Detail: Sorry, the phone number cannot be read from your sim card. Please contact your operator for help).
I have the phone on a T-Mobile contract, and I ported my number over from another network when I got the phone.
Any ideas on what could cause this problem?
Someone on another forum said they could only get live messenger to work while on wifi. Dont know if that helps.
Are you using the stock im apps? They use sms texts to send not data. This might be the problem you are having.
Yes, I am using the stock IM apps. Are there better alternatives?
Hi all, i was on the phone with t-mo today and the girl told me that the msn\live messenger messages that i send and recieve uses SMSes and not internet.
is that true or was she plain stupid?
i've researched this online and coudlnt get a conclusive answer so i thouhgt i'd ask you guys since some of you have prolly seen the code itself and can answer me correctly and easily...
so which is it - internet or texts?
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From what I understand, the IM app is counted towards text messages, this means, google, MSN, Yahoo, AOL messages within the stock IM app is text messages.
I think GTalk use the Internet (wifi/3g or whatever data connection you're on) while other "chat" services use SMS.
But now there's free Hi MSN in the Market (and Meebo has been for quite some time) when you want to use MSN "for real".
/Mats
GTalk will works over the internet, either via 3G or WiFi.
All other protocols will only use WiFi over the internet - any conversations via a cellular network will be via SMS and not over 3G/GPRS.
Regards,
Dave
wow!
that's absurd!
nobody said anything about it either!
why did they do that?!
The crap? That sounds like the stupidest thing ever. Leave it to a cell carrier to come up with a stupid idea like that. Just use Hi MSN or Hi AIM.
The carrier makes money on the text messages, Google gets GTalk usage - and he consumer is - as always - screwed. "Business plan" is another word for the phenomenon...
(Don't get me wrong -I love most of Google's stuff, even GTalk - but as virtually no one else use GTalk, it's pretty useless to me...)
/Mats
Coming from the nexus one, i noticed that there are now aim and msn messager sync options. Does anyone know if the stand alone instant messaging client uses push or not?
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I believe the built-in IM client uses SMS, so it should be near instant. Be careful if you don't have unlimited texts on your plan.
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I believe the built-in IM client uses SMS, so it should be near instant. Be careful if you don't have unlimited texts on your plan.
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Maybe on the older VZW phones... but why would it use SMS when it should be using data on a smart phone?
Granted, I just use Meebo and never set up those accounts.
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Maybe on the older VZW phones... but why would it use SMS when it should be using data on a smart phone?
Granted, I just use Meebo and never set up those accounts.
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I can't answer the question as to why, but I'm 99% positive the built-in app uses SMS. Whenever you sign up it shows some sort of message that it will use your SMS.
Actually if you have an unlimited SMS plan, it's not a bad idea. You get near-instant IM notification pretty much anywhere you have a 1X signal, don't have to worry about a background service running and draining extra battery, etc.