Facebook / Messages (SMS) (WP7.5 8107 Omnia W) - Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi all!
I just moved from Android (HD2 MIUI) to WP7.5 (Omnia W i8350 fw: 8107 locked) and I noticed a couple of things:
- SMS and Facebook chat are merged, without any timeline order. I'll try to explain (I'm Italian, I'm sorry if I'll spell anything wrong):
SMS sent from my gf at 11.00 AM, received at 11.00:03 AM on my device
Facebook Chat message sent from my girlfriend at 10.30 AM, wifi/data enabled on my device at 11.30 AM, Facebook Chat message received at 11.30 AM.
In my message hub the last interaction with my gf that I'll see will be her FB Chat Message (and my reply will pass through FB by default, instead of SMS).
Isn't that strange?
- There's, in the marketplace, an official FB App, that has at least half an hour delay between any notify and doesn't notify any private message to me.
Is the any alternative that could work better?
Trust me, moving from an HD2 that has been able to run WM6.5, WP7.5, Android easily to a locked WP7 device is quite confusing, but I'll try hard to make it work at his best.

DaemonMX said:
Hi all!
SMS sent from my gf at 11.00 AM, received at 11.00:03 AM on my device
Facebook Chat message sent from my girlfriend at 10.30 AM, wifi/data enabled on my device at 11.30 AM, Facebook Chat message received at 11.30 AM.
In my message hub the last interaction with my gf that I'll see will be her FB Chat Message (and my reply will pass through FB by default, instead of SMS).
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Windows Phone will always use the message service that was last used. Since you only enabled data conenction at 11:30 am this was the last message your phone received and it assumes you want to use this protocol/service. You can manually change the protocol/service using the double arrow icon in the lower right.
EDIT: The built in facebook messenger works fine for me. There are only a few (5-10) seconds delay until I receive my facebook messages, no need for me to ever use the facebook app...

Localhorst86 said:
Windows Phone will always use the message service that was last used. Since you only enabled data conenction at 11:30 am this was the last message your phone received and it assumes you want to use this protocol/service. You can manually change the protocol/service using the double arrow icon in the lower right.
EDIT: The built in facebook messenger works fine for me. There are only a few (5-10) seconds delay until I receive my facebook messages, no need for me to ever use the facebook app...
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Yup, I could understand "why" the system uses the last service used as long as I'm or I'm not using data/wifi, but it's chronologically wrong.
I'm expecting to see the FB message before the last SMS, just because it has been sent before by the other user. (It's just a matter of timeline) If WP7 is able to merge every conversation between sms/facebook it would be fine to get each message in the right time order, isn't it? What if I don't turn on data/wifi for a week, I'd get FB messages one week old as "last" interaction with the other person, even if I wrote him/her by SMS just a minute before?
Of course I'm not expandind the issue to the fact that I've already read on FB that message, and it could be in any way notified as "already seen" on my phone. Leaving SMS / Facebook services in different apps, just like Whatsapp, Hotmail, Gmail, etc. is certainly less "integrated, nice, next gen, artistic, or what else", but more efficient in their real use: to comunicate.
P.S. The delay is really lower on the built in messenger, the app seems to have some different default settings.

DaemonMX said:
I'm expecting to see the FB message before the last SMS, just because it has been sent before by the other user.
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WP7 doesn't know when it was sent, though. It only knows when it was delivered to the phone.
DaemonMX said:
Leaving SMS / Facebook services in different apps, just like Whatsapp, Hotmail, Gmail, etc. is certainly less "integrated, nice, next gen, artistic, or what else", but more efficient in their real use: to comunicate.
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I disagree with that, the unified messaging hub is great because I can instantly see all communication with that user independant from the service used. If you still prefer to have non unified messages, you can do that. To quote the famous apple qoute: "there's an app for that!".
Apps like IM+ (search for "implus" on the market), Nimbuzz allow you to connect to Facebook and Windows Live Messenger (among others).
Miyowa allows you to connect to Windos Live Messenger and for Facebook only I found an app called "Fim Chat"
Knock yourself out
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DaemonMX said:
Of course I'm not expandind the issue to the fact that I've already read on FB that message, and it could be in any way notified as "already seen" on my phone.
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This would not be feasible or practical in my oppinion. For one, this would require Facebook to somehow notify the client (phone) that a message has been read and to force the client to delete it. This is not how IM clients work. I think it would be a bad move if a service could "recall" or "delete" already delivered messages. If you're going to read your FB messages using a different client anyways, why stay signed in using the built in client?

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[Q] Facebook Push Notifications

The Facebook Push Notifications doesn't work for me. Chat is working fine, but not comments, Friend requests and so on!.
Does it work for anyone here with Facebook 1.5.1? If Yes what are your settings?
Android 2.2.1 DHD Leedroid 1.5.1a Facebook 1.5.1
it does not work for me either ...
I haven't had it working for me either..I will get notification bar updates but no push notifications.
damn it ... I think they removed this function.. but why? What is with a downgrade.
Should be 1.5.0
Yep, it's been quiet for a while here too.
It has been quiet my end as well for some time.
I remember we used to get them
Does anyone have the Facebook 1.5.0 version, I would try this out!
I tried it with fb 1.50, too.
Doesnt working either!
My understanding of Facebook push notifications is that they SUCK!!! Sorry about that. When normal people think of push notifications we think of notifications of things we actually want to be notified of like wall posts, comments, likes, etc. Unfortunately for us when Facebook thinks push notifications they think about pushing us notifications for things we don't care about like event invites and inbox messages.
I don't have much in faith in facebook in that we will ever get push support for all notifications :-( It seems to me that facebook's strategy for android will be to integrate features into the phone instead of delivering a stealer app people. This means working with OEMs as they have been as of late. I don't think we will ever get a useful app from facebook.
Currently I think Tweetdeck provides you with the most comprehensive facebook notification support and when you combine that with the actually facebook app all notifications are covered I believe. The only downside is that Tweetdeck is poll driven.
I used to get it for comments, wall post, inbox bla bla..
now didnt get it anymore.. oh well, thats fine... it's not like my world will end without push noti anw
I think 1.5.1 broke or disabled the push notifications feature.
flow
Have you guys tried facebook flow? I just installed it testerday. I has the option of utilizing gmail push notification to send/recieve facebook notifications.
Ive liked it more and more since I have installed it, and the push works great
Yeah man. Sad that Facebook not going to deliver an application for android users. Sigh..
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Any IM app that is PUSH technology rather than Pull? Besides Gtalk.
BryanChung said:
Any IM app that is PUSH technology rather than Pull? Besides Gtalk.
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I believe both beejive and trillian use push notifications.
trillian is half the price of beejive and if you use trillian's desktop or web app you can have your im conversations on your phone synced to those products.
beejive on the other hand saves your conversations to your sdcard and also has the ability to email the transcripts to what ever account you want.
trillian lets you set a custom ringtone for notifications where as beejive only lets you pick from either the yahoo, msn, or aol im sound. I think this is unfortunate though beejive lets you set a different sound when the app is active and when it is idel which is cool
beejive will notify you in the status bar when you receive an im as well as blink the led, though I think the status bar notification is timed (by that I mean the notification disappears from the status bar after some set time. This is what I have noticed idk anything official)
I believe trillian also notifies you in the status bar. trillian also allows you to suspend the app. this logs you out of the app on the phone but keeps you logged into all your im services on trillian's servers. I think this is prob similar to beejive's idel stat in that it is designed to use less battery when not actively using the app. If the app is suspended you will receive an email notification that you have received an im.
As far as support goes, trillian has a forum that you can post any questions in. The only support for beejive that I know of are their email addresses listed on their website and the market-place and I haven't had much luck when emailing them questions.
beejive also lets you set your status: available, away, busy, and invisible and also have custom status messages for each service. You can also delete, appear offline, and block contacts though I haven't had success with those features.
I think that they should re-add those features back.
For a second there, I thought I was the only one that noticed that Facebook push notifications actually existed for a short while and then died. I've done multiple phone wipes and rebuilds to try to correct the problem. Now it's clear that it's a Facebook thing and not my phone.
I setup a gmail account just for facebook....I get instant notifications....I gave up on face book notification. And only reason i setup another gmail...so i can have a diffrent tone and nothing but FB mesages. THe moment you get your message its sent to your gmail you setup.
I think the lack of notifications is on purpose, and it makes sense. Here is why, an average person has well over 100 friends on FB, if you leave a comment on any post you recieve a notification on facebook each time someone responds, if you "like" a post, the same thing happens, now figure that you commented on 20 or more different posts and made a few yourself, Do you people have any idea how incredibly annoying it would be to get a notification everytime someone "likes" or comments on those same posts or links anytime after? It makes perfect sense why FB only pushes Friend Requests, PM's and Events. I won't even get into the amount of server bandwith it would be using. It's common sense.
I suppose it would be nice for them to offer an option in the settings for the people so incredibly obsessed with every little thing that happens on facebook but I myself would go insane if my phone vibrated or beeped everytime someone responded to a wall post.
Uh....Facebook allows push notifications for everything. Just not push notifications from app. Everything you mentioned is pushed to my gmail account or sms. Yes does get annoying if 50 people reply to a post but FB does push notifications.
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Facebook App, Messages wont show on Web

Hi,
i have a problem with the official Facebook App on my SGS running 2.2.3
I did receive a normal message yesterday. That message did show on web and on my mobile. I did also receive a notification on my mobile. I answered that message via web. It did show on web and on my mobile too.
My dialog partner replied. This reply only shows on my mobile, but NOT on web. All my consecutively replies where done via web. They show on my mobile and on web. However all the answers i received are ONLY visible on my mobile, not on web. In fact, the intact conversation history is visible on my phone. On web facebook, i only see the first message i received and the answers i did but not the messages my dialog partner did send me.
Whats wrong there?
I am using the latest facebook app (26. April) and i am also using the new facebook messaging system.
Anyone else noticed something like that? How to fix that?
greetings
Same problem with me. Using HTC HD2 WinMo 6.5 and the latest facebook app 1.1.0.26. My facebook is with the new message system, too.
I think i have found the issue. Its not because of the FB app, but because of the dialog partner using the new and the old messaging system.
As a workaround, you can see all the messages via the mobile facebook webpage:
m.facebook.com
Thats the reason it works for mobile phones but not for the "original" facebook website.
Another workaround is, to invite the dialog partner to the new messaging system. But i didnt had a chance to verify if that works.

Threads... why?

Ive seen MS chose to combine IM and SMS and to me this looks really messy.
First of all the integration of IM is quite nice but I wish it was kept seperate from SMS conversations since these are to the majority of people still different than IMs and used on different devices or apps. I dont want to continue a conversation automatically on a different app or something. This will be very annoying to the other user.
Certainly if somebody just left his/her pc on or IM on accidently....
They should have added facebook private messaging as well and IM/SMS seperated like it was and just added a chat pivot in the messaging hub.
to me an sms is still something every user has always with him her, like when u send somebody an address or something it should be on their phones and not deliverd trough IM and its annoying having to switch first.
Its kind of short sighted implementation, the idea is good but the reality will be very annoying the way it works now.
you will get a ton of sms like notifications for every IM which can be annoying since on a chat conversation people send much more messages per minute than trough sms. Having to toggle online offline all the time will be a pita
am i the only one who thinks this will be garbage? Instead they should have allowed third party apps like whatsapp to use this on user permission. I hope I can switch off the live messenger. Or just revert back to the original sms screen
I like the idea to have an overview of my messages regardlessly whether they come via SMS, Windows Live or Facebook. Although I agree that getting notifications for all those messages shown on the SMS tile would be kind of overwhelming. But I can imagine Microsoft changes the way the tile works. So it still shows the number of SMS, but in addition to that shows an icon or something when you recieve a chat message from Facebook or Windows Live.
In my opinion.. the best feauture ever, of every OS. Loved that!
I love it as well, and think its nice not to have to go to 4 different places for my facebook, text, wlm & (eventually skype).
While I hope they either have a toggle setting for separate 'rows', or add it soon after Mango for those who really don't like it, I honestly doubt they want to mess it up by having too many places for messages. It fits in pretty perfectly with their vision for the overall UI design imo.
For me,M$ thread is not a new idea,it just copying the messaging app in the HP webos...however HP webos messaging is better,they can download apps that support HP connect and integrate into the messaging app(so,this means they can have more than 1 im clients in 1 messaging app).
Feel so sorry to HP webos,always being copied by others,even the UI design of playbook has been copied
Marvin_S said:
First of all the integration of IM is quite nice but I wish it was kept seperate from SMS conversations since these are to the majority of people still different than IMs and used on different devices or apps. I dont want to continue a conversation automatically on a different app or something. This will be very annoying to the other user.
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Threading will be the beginning of the end for SMS IMNSHO. Most people still use SMS because it's what they know and are used to.
My wife is a great example, she keeps sending me SMSes while I'm out because that's what she's used to. Even though I've had email (and to some extent IM) on my phones since forever. With a "messaging hub" it takes all the guesswork out of the equation - she'll write the message as she normally does and the phone will decide whether it should deliver via FB, Messenger, Skype or SMS.
Now, if you don't want to continue the conversation if the user has moved to a different device you don't have to. The phone will tell you how the message was sent as well as what services the recipient is currently logged on to.
Marvin_S said:
to me an sms is still something every user has always with him her, like when u send somebody an address or something it should be on their phones and not deliverd trough IM and its annoying having to switch first.
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This just proves my point - you're used to SMS. And again, you can choose whether to send as SMS or IM.
Personally I find this feature great. Two things should be done to make it even better though;
1. Implement a industry-wide protocol so it doesn't matter if you're on a crackberry, iphone or windows phone. Sure, Skype and Messenger goes a long way towards achieving this but there are still people who use smaller IM services only.
2. Allow third-party apps to hook in to the messaging hub - there's a few apps out there today that are not chat apps as such but still implement messaging. Being able to receive (and reply to) these messages from the same place would be great. It would also make it easier for other IM services to integrate with the OS.
dkp1977 said:
Although I agree that getting notifications for all those messages shown on the SMS tile would be kind of overwhelming.
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But why? Are you less likely to want to read a message coming in thru Messenger than one delivered via SMS? I for one don't care how my messages are delivered, I just want to be notified. It's a bit like having three post boxes outside your house - one for deliveries by DHL only, another for Deutsche Post and a third for everyone else - i.e. pointless
I really like this new feature as well. I am confident that any replies you send to someone will use the same service they used to "text" you, unless you choose to change it. People on non-WP7 phones won't suddenly need to be jumping all over the place.
On the other hand, when other people send you messages from multiple sources (SMS, FB, WLM, etc), you will be able to get all of the messages in one convenient place. I like that.

[Q] Group SMS

So on my iphone I could have group conversations with 3 other people and it would all be in the same conversation window, I but now, on my one x, when I try this it just sends to everyone individually. It works on my friends droid because he has the verizon messaging app which isn't available to att users (I think)
anyways I was just wondering if there was a simple solution to this (I've tried two 3rd party messaging apps with no luck)
Yeah, you're not gonna be able to get that, AFAIK. The "WhatsApp Messenger" app does this, but that's not actual text messaging, it's an IM app that uses your contacts phone numbers to identify them, and can only message other WhatsApp users.
Just for my own curiosity, when you would do this with your iPhone, would all the other participants be iPhone users? Or would it be a mixed bag of BB/Android/WP7/iPhone?
You should check out the app 'GroupMe'.
Great app that can do either real texting or over the internet messages.
The catch is, you have to message a 'Group number' and GroupMe then forwards that message on to everyone else.
This enables you to add/remove people to a conversation.
You can make these numbers private or public
I'm pretty sure they support every os and you can also just use their website to send messages.
It's all free which is the best part.
This is one of my biggest gripes with Android ICS. My Galaxy Nexus wasn't able to do group SMS either and, coming from an iPhone where I had lots of groups, it's a pain in the ass.
Also, using 3rd party apps that require every other person you want to chat with to also have the app is not a real solution. GroupMe is even worse than the rest b/c if someone EVER had the app (and no longer does) it doesn't recognize that and just doesn't deliver the message at all.
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This is one of my biggest gripes with Android ICS. My Galaxy Nexus wasn't able to do group SMS either and, coming from an iPhone where I had lots of groups, it's a pain in the ass.
Also, using 3rd party apps that require every other person you want to chat with to also have the app is not a real solution. GroupMe is even worse than the rest b/c if someone EVER had the app (and no longer does) it doesn't recognize that and just doesn't deliver the message at all.
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The awesome thing about GroupMe is you don't need the App at all. You can use their service purely through texting.
[email protected] said:
The awesome thing about GroupMe is you don't need the App at all. You can use their service purely through texting.
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You didn't read what I wrote. If someone EVER had the app and got rid of it then the app doesn't recognize that and simply doesn't deliver the message at all. This is even worse than simply not being able to message people who don't have the app b/c now the sender has no clue whether their messages were delivered to each recipient.
NextNexus said:
You didn't read what I wrote. If someone EVER had the app and got rid of it then the app doesn't recognize that and simply doesn't deliver the message at all. This is even worse than simply not being able to message people who don't have the app b/c now the sender has no clue whether their messages were delivered to each recipient.
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If I am not mistaken, If the user changed his settings through the web interface he could set it up to be texting only again.
I have never ran in to this issue personally. When I removed the App from my phone I would still get the messages, just not through texts until I switched the settings.
Sorry for not fully understanding the first time.

Info about hangout and whatsapp notifications

Hi, I couldn't find anywhere such an info. This could be a potential reason for me not to buy this watch.
Is it possibile to directly start an hangout chat or a whatsapp chat directly from the watch? I mean can I only answer to a recieved hangout or whatsapp message I guess, but can I even send a new message directly from the watch?
I own a Huawei Watch and, at least for Google hangout, I can start a new chat directly from the smartwatch.
Thanks in advance, this is really important for me.
I'm using an app called NOTIFICATION STYLE GEAR for receiving and sending whatsapp messages, it can also send & receive emails, FB, Google Now,Hangout and more.
When you receive a whatsapp message it stores the contact and you can reply at any time.
But there is just one problem with the app, it can only store your messages for as long as the watch is on, if you turn it off, you loose your messages/whatsapp contacts. Then you need wait for the person to send another message again.
It's available on play store, your get 20 free tries, then you need to purchase the app.
It's not perfect, but at the moment this is the only app I have found that you can reply to a contract stored on your watch.
There is also another app called what history. Which let's you store whatsapp messages, the developer said you will be able to reply to messages in the next update.
First of all thank you very much for your answer.
I thought that you could answer any notification without having to use a dedicated app, I mean, I though you could answer a whatsapp or a hangout message on your own on the watch without any app. Isn't it true?
I was asking just whether or not you need a separate app to start a new chat on your own.
Now, from your answer it seems like you need an app to reply to a chat message too. This is scaring. 😱😱😱
I mean, then what kind of notification you can answer on your own on the watch, just sma and email?
You can answer a message: whatsapp , mail or hanghouts. but you cannot start one.
Using the S3 with the Oneplus 3T
Pandor said:
You can answer a message: whatsapp , mail or hanghouts. but you cannot start one.
Using the S3 with the Oneplus 3T
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Thanks, this sound better
Then, the app Iamac was talking about is needed to start a conversation with hangout or WhatsApp directly from the watch?
Hello Aratheba, the app I use works like this.
When you receive a whatsapp message it stores it on the watch. You can delete the message but it will keep the senders name. That way you can reply at any time. I'm not sure if it is the same for hangout messages as I do not use it.
As I said earlier, the downside to this app is when you turn the watch off, as it looses all the contacts and messages. And you have to wait till you receive another message then it stores it again.
This app works well as you get a pop up on the watch with the senders whatsapp profile pic. There are many settings within the app for different vibrate patterns for different message types. For example, you can have 3 vibrates for whatsapp and 5 for hangout. You can also change the font size to make it either easier to read or smaller to fit more of the message on the watch screen.
I hope this helps you.
lacmac said:
Hello Aratheba, the app I use works like this.
When you receive a whatsapp message it stores it on the watch. You can delete the message but it will keep the senders name. That way you can reply at any time. I'm not sure if it is the same for hangout messages as I do not use it.
As I said earlier, the downside to this app is when you turn the watch off, as it looses all the contacts and messages. And you have to wait till you receive another message then it stores it again.
This app works well as you get a pop up on the watch with the senders whatsapp profile pic. There are many settings within the app for different vibrate patterns for different message types. For example, you can have 3 vibrates for whatsapp and 5 for hangout. You can also change the font size to make it either easier to read or smaller to fit more of the message on the watch screen.
I hope this helps you.
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Thanks. Now it's crystal clear.
It's not perfect but it's a beginning. It would be interesting to know whether it really works for hangout too.
Thanks anyway
What do you use hangouts for? I just tried it.
With the app I use, it isn't very good. I don't see any emails. If I use sms I can receive but no option to reply.
You are meant to receive hangout messages with the watch's own app, when I tried it, I got no notifications. There is a list of app notification to choose from and hangouts was selected.
For emails I use a android phone app called MY MAIL it merges all my email accounts into one app and I can use this with notification wear app I have for the watch.
lacmac said:
What do you use hangouts for? I just tried it.
With the app I use, it isn't very good. I don't see any emails. If I use sms I can receive but no option to reply.
You are meant to receive hangout messages with the watch's own app, when I tried it, I got no notifications. There is a list of app notification to choose from and hangouts was selected.
For emails I use a android phone app called MY MAIL it merges all my email accounts into one app and I can use this with notification wear app I have for the watch.
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I use hangout way more than whatsapp. There are several reasons for.me to prefer hangout over whatsapp, but it would be ot here.
I also use Hangouts more than Whatsapp, as it is used as my company's chat app. Have been using Wear for the last 2 years, and have never found a reason to start a message on the watch. Trying to find the contact you need would take forever. Replying to a message i done a few times, probably now a bit more as the S3 has a " keyboard".
It's easier than you think: you just don't have to archive chat and you can easily add a new message to an already existing thread. No need to search for contacts.
Moreover I found that voice dictation on wear it's almost perfect.
And, if you try last preview for wear 2.0 you even have keyboard and hand writing. ?

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