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[Request] Use the search button first, please!

Hi everyone,
So I've seen this issue resurface many times in many different threads, most recently in the updating inspire thread. My requests are simple:
IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE FORUM, PLEASE USE THE SEARCH BUTTON BEFORE ASKING A QUESTION. IF THEN, YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND, FEEL FREE TO ASK (AND MAKE SURE YOU MENTION THAT YOU TRIED).
IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO FLAME SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T SEARCH, BE POLITE. If you want to answer their question too, go ahead.
If someone doesn't answer their question but asks them to search first, please don't flame them either. It's absolutely useless to redo the debate that's been had many many times before. Some people prefer not to answer questions in these cases while others don't. Let's all live happily ever after and not get on each others' backs because we're all experienced and veteran users trying to help others out. There is no need to get testy or question why someone does or doesn't answer a question. To each their own.
Now, back to my ORD (obsessive rom-flashing disorder for you newbies)...

Agreed.
I try to be as polite as possible without compromising the message. Sometimes it's difficult not to come across like a jerk when all you have to communicate with is text and smilies.
I often start feeling bad, thinking I was too harsh, and end-up going back and trying to make amends, anyway.

Scott_S said:
Agreed.
I try to be as polite as possible without compromising the message. Sometimes it's difficult not to come across like a jerk when all you have to communicate with is text and smilies.
I often start feeling bad, thinking I was too harsh, and end-up going back and trying to make amends, anyway.
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I never feel bad about it.

I've been living in forums for far too long to fret over this. I have a whole like 15 posts here but started back over a yr ago with my Rhodium. Now I'm getting into the more modded styles and am enjoying passing on what I've read here even gotten a few other friends to join. All cause this forum has a huge database of knowledge with an actual small amount of flaming.
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tweaked said:
I never feel bad about it.
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I've noticed. Your one of my heroes, actually.

I try not to get to upset or flame to much. But sometimes I cant help it lol. I just had someone tell me not to be a douche when I gave them the answer and told him to search. He said theres 214 pages on this thread. I have to admit I lost it called him out and said my fair share of bad words lol. And told him exactly what i searched for and what page to find the answer on. There is no excuse for ignorance or stupidity in this age of google and forums. I have come to find more often then not its laziness and just wanting someone to give them the answer rather then find it out. I personally find that I learn more when I search and usually find even more useful info out. That's my 2 cents.
Here is his comment with a quote of my original answer. (post number 2102)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984805&page=211
Here is my not so nice flame back lol. (post number 2119)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14558887#post14558887
P.S. I did apologize to the op for the flame also.

There is now excuse to reading; almost any answer is already posted. when I first joined XDA I spent 2 days solid just reading. If one does half as much as I did, you end up with a good sense of how rooting, flashing, customizing the Inspire is done and also use the IRC chat rooms.
Guys don't let up! I never got hurt by anyone here, it only inspires to search, read, AND LEARN!!!
Holding someone's hand never encourages or lets them learn!

This thread already exists, use the search button next time.
Jk jk that would be ironic no?

Mister J said:
This thread already exists, use the search button next time.
Jk jk that would be ironic no?
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LoL. It is ironic. I have already seen numerous threads about using the search button first.
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Carlrobling said:
I try not to get to upset or flame to much. But sometimes I cant help it lol. I just had someone tell me not to be a douche when I gave them the answer and told him to search. He said theres 214 pages on this thread. I have to admit I lost it called him out and said my fair share of bad words lol. And told him exactly what i searched for and what page to find the answer on. There is no excuse for ignorance or stupidity in this age of google and forums. I have come to find more often then not its laziness and just wanting someone to give them the answer rather then find it out. I personally find that I learn more when I search and usually find even more useful info out. That's my 2 cents.
Here is his comment with a quote of my original answer. (post number 2102)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984805&page=211
Here is my not so nice flame back lol. (post number 2119)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14558887#post14558887
P.S. I did apologize to the op for the flame also.
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Glad you posted this,cause I missed your response. But dude,once in a while,someone could read over something easily. I shouldn't post this here,since this thread goes against flaming,but you were out of line. And by the way **** face,I unchecked the tell HTC box,it didn't work. But not being the newby you treated me like,I figured it out on my own. Your vision on someone not searching or being lazy,is outta this world ****ed up bro. You are the type of user who completely does not care about anything but trying to prove there intelligence. Here is what a user should do when having a problem:
1: read,read......read!
2: read over all you read,again
3: do a couple searches
4: retry what you did that caused the problem
5: after all that fails,ask the question you need an answer too
I DID ALL OF THAT YOU ASS.
I read all 200 and something pages of the thread before i ever asked my question,and as hard as it is for you to beleive,I read over what I was looking for.
And before any of you write this up as flaming,his whole post here was flaming me. Have a nice day captain douchebag
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Good luck with this thread. I made one a few weeks ago and the noobs whined and got it closed. So yeah for all noobs click here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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We need to start this thread over new every week just to vent and let everyone have at it and get it out then close it, delete it on Friday and open it up fresh on Monday. LOL
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Lets just get it stickied
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mattmiller said:
Good luck with this thread. I made one a few weeks ago and the noobs whined and got it closed. So yeah for all noobs click here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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LOL! I think you posted that video in that thread too.

The reason search isn't as effective it could be is because there is so much duplicate content from noobs asking the same quetsions over and over.
In a way XDA site has become a end user support site more so than a tech/dev site.

knarfl1 said:
The reason search isn't as effective it could be is because there is so much duplicate content from noobs asking the same quetsions over and over.
In a way XDA site has become a end user support site more so than a tech/dev site.
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I 100% agree with this,we need more mods. I know its gotta be hard for them to keep this place cleaned up
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Its not about whether or not people should search, im sure alot do and alot dont. Problem is some the the questions they are asking might be answered to someone who already knows the answer. To the one asking the question it was only partially answered in the post they searched for, then u get these forum nazi's jumping all over them saying search search search, usually the one saying that says it for post count or just to have something to say period, because they dont have any answers.
If i know the answer, I will answer it if it wasnt already answered. There are plenty nice peeps on here that answer, and not half assed. What is clear to peeps that have a good understanding of what there doing to begin with, is not always clear to someone with little to no knowledge of modding there phones.
Thanks to everyone here that does have the patience to help all the noobs out. If everyone was a smartass about everything what good would the forums be.

brd912 said:
I 100% agree with this,we need more mods. I know its gotta be hard for them to keep this place cleaned up
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That's what all of this is about... Community moderation.. reminding people of the rules when mods aren't around to do it, which is a lot of the time.
But, as I'm finding out, it's not a very popular thing with a lot of people. I got accused of "acting like god of this forum," because I reminded someone, after that person had their question answered by another poster, to search a little better next time. It was one of the most commonly questions here.

jc2470 said:
Its not about whether or not people should search, im sure alot do and alot dont. Problem is some the the questions they are asking might be answered to someone who already knows the answer. To the one asking the question it was only partially answered in the post they searched for, then u get these forum nazi's jumping all over them saying search search search, usually the one saying that says it for post count or just to have something to say period, because they dont have any answers.
If i know the answer, I will answer it if it wasnt already answered. There are plenty nice peeps on here that answer, and not half assed. What is clear to peeps that have a good understanding of what there doing to begin with, is not always clear to someone with little to no knowledge of modding there phones.
Thanks to everyone here that does have the patience to help all the noobs out. If everyone was a smartass about everything what good would the forums be.
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Your rite. See knewbs can be aggrivating,but we were once all one our selves. And yes,knewbs should search and read first,and if they have a problem,then ask a question. But someone shouldn't jump down there throat off the bat,assuming they didn't search first. I mean,sometimes I have a hard time finding something by googlin it and my gf will find it with one search LOL. So its not just the knewbs clustering the place,its also people who Jump down there throat and cause an argument that lasts 2 pages worth of thread. Here's an example of how I think it should be done
Knewb: " i tried to install android evelution and keep getting reboots"
Member: " did you search?"
Knewb: "yes and I can't find anything on it"
Member: "ok try full wiping,then reflashing. If that doesent work,post back here and im sure we can help you out"
See,like give them an easy answer ya know? And if they cone back saying it didn't work,then its time to be the members of a great forum,and help the guy,atleast tell him what to read through to resolve the problem. On the other hand,if a knewb comes off like there not even willing to try and help there selves,then don't even respond. In the long run it will save a lot of space on the forum. Instead of being jerks,we can guide the knewbs to being a intelligent user,that way they will be the ones answering questions down the road. Of we did that,then it would save time for the more experienced users to make great stuff for us here at xda. I'm not taking up for knewbs here,I'm just saying that there not the only ones clustering the place. And I'm not talking about the guys who come off as a jerk because there responding to something over the internet,I mean the ones who snap on a knewb,without leaving nothing but an half ass answer,and a rude comment that leads to a huge argument.
My 2cents,I have plenty more
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Scott_S said:
That's what all of this is about... Community moderation.. reminding people of the rules when mods aren't around to do it, which is a lot of the time.
But, as I'm finding out, it's not a very popular thing with a lot of people. I got accused of "acting like god of this forum," because I reminded someone, after that person had their question answered by another poster, to search a little better next time. It was one of the most commonly questions here.
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Rite. See the users that have knowledge,need to guide the knewbs so there will be more experienced users to do so. Sometimes I come off as taking up for the knewbs,but its just that the people that's been here a while or have intelligence about all this,can make this place better,and control situations if we just do like you said,and say hey "try searching a little bit next time bud" instead of "omg you rlidiot,go search before you post" ya know?
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Lazu idiots

Bamf released their new roms,i installed the new sense version,have not had to ask one question about any bugs why?USE THE DAM SEARCH, i give the bamf team maybe one more day and they will start ignoring everybody,lazy ass people keep asking needless questions and clogging up the rom post that no one can see thru it,you people make me sick,maybe if you had to pay for it you would learn how to google or use the forum search. Again lazy ass punks
Bamfin' my bolt

satseaker said:
Bamf released their new roms,i installed the new sense version,have not had to ask one question about any bugs why?USE THE DAM SEARCH, i give the bamf team maybe one more day and they will start ignoring everybody,lazy ass people keep asking needless questions and clogging up the rom post that no one can see thru it,you people make me sick,maybe if you had to pay for it you would learn how to google or use the forum search. Again lazy ass punks
Bamfin' my bolt
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Cool story bro, maybe next time you'll spell Lazy* correctly

Nikolai2.1 said:
Cool story bro, maybe next time you'll spell Lazy* correctly
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And at least write something with proper sentences.

Is not proofreading a sign of lazuness?

Well that was random.

I think maybe we take our cell phones a little to serious.

LaDamian said:
Is not proofreading a sign of lazuness?
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LOL, post of the day.
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someone is mad

Consider me sufficiently cracked up!
Down with lazuness! :

DroidTh3ory said:
LOL, post of the day.
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These guys are gonna be pissed you called them idiots:
http://www.lazu.com.au/

Haha lol yay a typo. I love that no one can get past a typo . He is right though. I for one get tierd of wading through the same questions and answers over and over again. If people would take the time to read and not clog threads up with the same crap, it would make life easier on everyone .
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nikolai2.1 said:
cool story bro, maybe next time you'll spell lazy* correctly
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bwhahahahahahahahahahah

mr.fatface said:
Haha lol yay a typo. I love that no one can get past a typo. He is right though. I for one get tierd of wading through the same questions and answers over and over again. If people would take the time to read and not clog threads up with the same crap, it would make life easier on everyone.
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To an extent I can understand getting tired of the same questions over and over. I can understand if someone asks something on page 284 in a thread that was potentially answered all the way back on page 56 of the same thread. But when the answer to the question is three posts up (or a page back)... yeah that's being absolutely lazy.

mr.fatface said:
Haha lol yay a typo. I love that no one can get past a typo . He is right though. I for one get tierd of wading through the same questions and answers over and over again. If people would take the time to read and not clog threads up with the same crap, it would make life easier on everyone .
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Yay another typo. Too lazu to proofread but not too lazu to clog this thread up with more useless crap?

Another thing that would help is for everyone not to post their every thought in development threads. Then the lazu people would have an easier time reading through the thread...

But this is the proper thread to post this in, our not? that was posted using the htc trace, since went back to swype. Was only trying to make the point that most of the answers are readily available and that needles post in the devs section do nothing but force the devs to just ignore the true problems.
Bamfin' my bolt

satseaker said:
But this is the proper thread to post this in, our not? that was posted using the htc trace, since went back to swype. Was only trying to make the point that most of the answers are readily available and that needles post in the devs section do nothing but force the devs to just ignore the true problems.
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At work right now, cracking the hell up. HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Watch the needles

To the OP:
You have a valid point. However, when you say it with cursing and misspelled words, it puts your argument on a foundation built on quicksand.
I generally do not like reading through 10 pages of comments in order to find possible bugs and such that go something like:
"WHEN'S THE NEXT UPDATE COMING OUT???!!!" or "THANKSSSS WORKS GREAT ON MY PHONE!!!!"
People can say those things (at least the later one [no developer likes hearing about ETAs]) in the normal forums. Save your praises for the said ROM there guys.
However, I don't expect it to change, because most of those that would be doing that would also not care about reading this thread or changing their habits, sadly
Mostly, the forums just need more consistent moderation of topics to prune out posts that aren't needed in development threads or have them relocated to another forum/thread where they can be seen, but not deleted.

I like turtles!!!

Community issues: Campaign for a fresh start

Hi guys,
You probably already know me from my other threads, mostly the support thread. If not, I would like to give a brief introduction: in june, I received an upgrade from at&t and decided to purchase the infuse 4g my first android phone.
I was thrilled with its performance, and the community started off strong. ROM's were coming out surprisingly fast, actually too fast for me to figure out which one I liked best.
I began to see that the developers threads were getting cluttered up with silly, often repeated questions, so I created a support thread to help lessen the load for the devs. I know it wasn't a perfect solution, but I helped build a small team of people who have been incredibly helpful so far, who I am beyond impressed with.
Now comes the bad part. Even my support thread, originally designed to avoid clutter, has become a landfill of lazy people who don't look for the answer to their question which has been asked and answered 30 times already.
All the devs have been subjected to so much bs that they are afraid to even release their work. Everyone flames everyone like crazy, but none of you guys can help the community. I am disgusted by most of your behaviors, and hope that you see how childish your arguments are.
Now, for my point: this community is still young, and we have accomplished so much already. We have the chance to have one of the strongest development teams out there, and a kick-ass community, in which we look out for each other's best interest.
I would like to propose a way to get things started again: we need a campaign to delete clutter/flame.
Neo works hard, but we need to help him out. Everyone, I urge you to look through your posts, find bad ones, and mark them in some way to be deleted. This is in order to resuscitate this potentially unbeatable community.
Thank you all, and I hope you understand my intentions
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constructive crticism welscome
Moderator's(Neo) intervention was required as gtg's thread was going out of control.
as after his intervention members have started behaving themselves and Neo has removed/locked unnecessary threads this forum is at peace.
let the dead bury the dead and do not remind people again of what happened.
Just post relevant stuff and that is sufficient for everybody.
P.S.
if issues are not resolved then it never will be as no one will accept blame and any such thread will eventually result in blame game.
right now see that people are just paying attention to information,now calling them for campaign is also a distraction.

btpd21 said:
Hi guys,
You probably already know me from my other threads, mostly the support thread. If not, I would like to give a brief introduction: in june, I received an upgrade from at&t and decided to purchase the infuse 4g my first android phone.
I was thrilled with its performance, and the community started off strong. ROM's were coming out surprisingly fast, actually too fast for me to figure out which one I liked best.
I began to see that the developers threads were getting cluttered up with silly, often repeated questions, so I created a support thread to help lessen the load for the devs. I know it wasn't a perfect solution, but I helped build a small team of people who have been incredibly helpful so far, who I am beyond impressed with.
Now comes the bad part. Even my support thread, originally designed to avoid clutter, has become a landfill of lazy people who don't look for the answer to their question which has been asked and answered 30 times already.
All the devs have been subjected to so much bs that they are afraid to even release their work. Everyone flames everyone like crazy, but none of you guys can help the community. I am disgusted by most of your behaviors, and hope that you see how childish your arguments are.
Now, for my point: this community is still young, and we have accomplished so much already. We have the chance to have one of the strongest development teams out there, and a kick-ass community, in which we look out for each other's best interest.
I would like to propose a way to get things started again: we need a campaign to delete clutter/flame.
Neo works hard, but we need to help him out. Everyone, I urge you to look through your posts, find bad ones, and mark them in some way to be deleted. This is in order to resuscitate this potentially unbeatable community.
Thank you all, and I hope you understand my intentions
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Good post!
We need to be able to rule ourselves or somebody else will!
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rohit3192 said:
i am sure that neo will close this thread as this is not required.
Moderator's(Neo) intervention was required as gtg's thread was going out of control.
as after his intervention members have started behaving themselves and Neo has removed/locked unnecessary threads this forum is at peace.
let the dead bury the dead and do not remind people again of what happened.
plz ask Neo to close this thread.
Just post relevant stuff and that is sufficient for everybody.
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Hey, thanks for sharing your opinion with me in a respectful manner. However, I feel that the issue is not yet resolved, and the general forum is definitely the appropriate place to post it. The development is virtually at a standstill and I am not talking about gtg, but the other devs and would be devs who are now discouraged. I find that although your response was polite, it was completely inappropriate, especially considering what my original post stated. If you have an issue with my posts please message in private as opposed to calling me out/ racking up your post count.
Corvette Dave said:
Good post!
We need to be able to rule ourselves or somebody else will!
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Thank you for your support! I appreciate it.
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I doubt the devs read half the crap, and know that most if the quiet folks really enjoy there work, and in no means are they scared to
release there work, but rather punish and don't release, which its necessary to shut alt of people up, can always find them on irc
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I'm glad you guys are willing to help out in getting this show on the road. This can only be done by helpful members, especially the ones who read the rules and abide by them.
I think the main issue at hand is that people tend to speak their mind too often, in situations where a moderator should intervene. The best course of action is to report a post or PM a mod (for the Infuse, that's me ) and let them know what's going on.
I'm not on the board 24/7, so I too can miss stuff. But there are ALWAYS other mods who look after the Infuse forums when I can't, so reporting is the BEST thing you can do.
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?

NeoS2007 said:
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
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Neo just as you posted this I was editing my post in this thread.
I was concerned that this thread doesn't become a place for blaming other members or finding faults of others.as long as this stands for supporting devs my vote is there.
Right now I think forum is going well

NeoS2007 said:
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
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I wasn't aware that there was a Q&A forum until you mentioned it. I'm using the xda app and have the SAMSUNG Infuse 4g as my favorite, but within that category, the Q&A forum isn't listed. I clicked onto the forum tab and scrolled till I found the Q&A forum. Yeah people can search for it, but I wasn't even aware that forum existed. I just suggest adding the forum into the Infuse 4g category. I think there will be less questions asked in the wrong section if it was listed.
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I am guilty of posting topics that I know have been disgust before, the issue that I have and others I'm sure is that the search feature from the app seems to search the entire forum. I think it would be great if a filter feature could be added.
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nash2000 said:
I am guilty of posting topics that I know have been disgust before, the issue that I have and others I'm sure is that the search feature from the app seems to search the entire forum. I think it would be great if a filter feature could be added.
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I will flag this to our admins, so it can be looked into. Thanks for your feedback.

jayson94538 said:
I wasn't aware that there was a Q&A forum until you mentioned it. I'm using the xda app and have the SAMSUNG Infuse 4g as my favorite, but within that category, the Q&A forum isn't listed. I clicked onto the forum tab and scrolled till I found the Q&A forum. Yeah people can search for it, but I wasn't even aware that forum existed. I just suggest adding the forum into the Infuse 4g category. I think there will be less questions asked in the wrong section if it was listed.
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My app shows the Q&A section. But it didn't until I reinstalled. Had to reinstall it after I put CM7 on.

To get the new subforum to show on the app you have to re-add the infuse forum to your favorites.
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apallohadas said:
To get the new subforum to show on the app you have to re-add the infuse forum to your favorites.
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Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
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ZeroIsntTheHero said:
Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
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Heh well that worked. Thank you.
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NeoS2007 said:
I'm glad you guys are willing to help out in getting this show on the road. This can only be done by helpful members, especially the ones who read the rules and abide by them.
I think the main issue at hand is that people tend to speak their mind too often, in situations where a moderator should intervene. The best course of action is to report a post or PM a mod (for the Infuse, that's me ) and let them know what's going on.
I'm not on the board 24/7, so I too can miss stuff. But there are ALWAYS other mods who look after the Infuse forums when I can't, so reporting is the BEST thing you can do.
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
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Thanks for your support. Is there a way we could mark our bad posts to be deleted without reporting ourselves?
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I think alot of people like myself are new android users. I knew nothing 3 months ago about Android then I got the infuse my first smartphone which seems like its a lot of peoples first android. So I admit I posted questions then went and found the answer when I got no replies. I think people just need to understand that this is very fresh for a lot of people. It was ridiculous on gtg's post but on the other hand people got so angry at othrs that knew very little.
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ZeroIsntTheHero said:
Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
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You don't even have to unsubscribe just subscribe again (referring to the xda app)
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And I think another reason why we see a lot of similar topics being posted especially regarding support is because new users (like myself) feel we need support about our specific situation, even tho we may have already read a similar thrend. Its happened to me were I posted help and either ill get a smart reply ie "its been posted 10 times already" or they may reply with a link. The link will be exactly what I've already read but, the thrend doesn't 100% pertain to my situation so I'm afraid I may mess up even more if I follow those steps (its actually already happened,my first brick) This is why we may see a lot of repeat thrends. I usually will encourage my support giver to pm me but I hardly receive any.
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Why not have a separate section for rom support? I realize that sounds goofy but in the rom thread could be development related questions and in support section help and tech support?
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Well, xda-developers is for... DEVELOPERS. Although most people on xda are in it for the custom roms and leeching of apps.
I agree there should be some kind of a "noob sandbox" where new users can ask their questions and get answers from more seasoned users/devs. But how do you guys propose we do that?

What about an SGS 4G Facebook page?

It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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In theory it sounds great. However people will not post there for reason they dont post in proper sections here.
The real issue is this, the community is divided. I left the Optimus V because Virgins coverage sucks for me. I really wish I could have kept the phone and plan and the main reason is the community. At AC I swear the people there help everybody. Even if it is a question already asked. Somebody will pipe up and offer a link.
Im guilty as charged in attacking a n00b for being stupid. However witht eh cost of the Optimus V and the extremely cheap plan many people was buying the phone to tether and have cheap internet. And Most of those people were clueless as to what the hell they were doing. In most cases a friend told them about the phone and plan and how easy it was to root and start tethering. As a end user you dont want those people creating issues for your service. So if your rude and refuse to help they go away.
But right now I can point you to at the minimum of five threads where the community is helping the noobs and letting the devs do their thing. If a dev needs to address something they do. Otherwise the community answers questions. The biggest reason for this is changelogs, instructions, and all that stuff is never deleted just updated. Even if the rom has evolved to a new level. The old info is still posted so people can find out what changed in the various releases. Plus even after somebody asks the same question ten others have asked patience is exhibited and answers are given.
The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.They are looking to get a answer for the problem at hand. Most of them will go away if pointed in the right direction. However when people start piling on flaming them for not searching properly it just creates more spam in the thread and drives them away. Then you have people that talk major **** about how xda is a bunch of arrogant f*cktards.

Plenty of people do help in my observations. Im new and signed up only to help people. Answered a 'noob' question before making this post, amd I was nice about it too.
Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
If the answer to a simple and eady to answer question is out there and can be found by a search, and someone asks the question anyways after being told that is what they should do in yhe futurethat is laziness, not ignorance. And getting on their case is not arrogance, some of those asking questions have high enough post counts here, they should of learned how to make their own way by now.
I should also add that I have no programming experience, and have only been using a smartphone for 3 months. Yet I have never had to ask a question about how to install a rom or fix a brick. Because I searched for the answer, and everyone else should too.
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eollie said:
The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.
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How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.

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Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
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I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question. Yesterday I searched for something I had seen posted the search results..stated they were updated 10 minutes before I had searched. How is that even possible?
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How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
Not every person that comes here for answers is a dev or wants to be a dev.

@ eollie: I have a great idea... quit talking about it and writing these long unnecessary posts and start helping. Lead by example! Maybe others will follow suit since you seem to think people don't help others on here. I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with these LONG posts?

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I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question.
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I generally bookmark posts that contain information relevant to my interests that I may not be able to commit to memory at the time. Yes, some get changed but most are because the information is wrong or outdated. Another post nearby most likely holds updated info.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
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I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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I spent three hours tearing apart a rom to find a wallpaper used on the lockscreen. Im not a dev nor am I a themer but even doing a search for where lockscreen wallpaper is located kept directing me to widgetlocker and those types of apps. A week ago I would have just posted here in hopes somebody would point me in the proper direction. Instead I just sat in front of my computer for three hours because I didnt want to deal with the responses.
Your smartass response...well its not so smart.
@lumin30 dude seriously if you dont like my posts ignore them. Im sorry the community here is absolutely horrendous in helping people. Prime example is the post I have quoted above. Instead of taking what I was saying and using it logically he took it literally. I wasnt asking where I was using a simple example of what I have seen here. Then he even attempted to insult me with his last comment.
Im not here to make friends or enemies. Im here lookig for ways to better my android experience. When that experience is hampered because some tool wants to be a internet badass it pisses me off. Especially when in the process of berating somebody they prove how ignorant they really are. Most people that post here are human beings once in a while you will get a spam bot but 99% of the time you are dealing with a human. Some are old enough to be your grandparents others your teenage brother/sister.

POST REMOVED for sake of preventing a four paragraph response!

wow.....
i really could say something towards this thread for you guys to feed on, but i'll just shut my mouth and just say one more word.
wow.....
now what's the title of this thread again? sorry, but reading all this here made me forget. and sorry for yet another 4 paragraph response.
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eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
MY RESPONSE: OK

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eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
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And you just cant let it go can you? I apologized to him and he has accepted it. See adults work things out and accept mistakes and apologies. I guess a child like you just wants to keep the friction and tension high so you appear to be superior. Regarding my not following my own advise in ignoring people..I find your posts in response to me very amusing. You just can help yourself and not respond. Your like a woman arguing to get the last word in. You just cant help it. I would say Im look forward to your response but honestly its not fun anymore you are too predictable.
lumin will post within the next ten minutes rebuting me.

Your name calling, swearing, and the chauvanistic and defamatory comments you just made speak on your behalf. Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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Holocene said:
Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
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Im glad you feel that way. I have seen it first hand tho. You even did it in your initial post to me. Tried to insult me via your last comment. Good god its like people cant see past their own nose. Im guilty as charged in smashing noobs with a bat. But Ive never claimed to not do it. I just think sometimes it is not necessary.
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@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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High road exit was before you posted to me initially. Getting back now will be a long process or winding mountainous roads. Dont forget to enjoy the view along the way tho. There is some awesome put out points to take pictures.

as much as i'd hate to say this, but i see this thread getting deleted before the weekend.
itzik2sh said:
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device. trust me, i've checked the mytouch 3g slide forums (my fiance's device) and the galaxy tab 10.1 forums (my next device) and have yet to see what goes on here on those forums. seems to me MOST people with this device are nothing but spoiled little teenagers that are spoon fed all the time. it's no wonder the devs are dropping like flies. if i was a dev, i would leave also. sorry for ranting on your thread itz, but felt this was the best place to put in my 2 cents worth.
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droidmyst said:
now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device.
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I mentioned it before but a lot of people ignore wikis because they are typically out of date. In the beginning people will update them regularly and then just stop. However after some time looking around I can say the SGS4G wiki is just the opposite. Tons of info and for the most part easy to navigate. Which brings up another problem with wikis. The ability to navigate it easily and endless loops of redirects. Again the SGS4G doesnt appear to suffer from that.
Maybe instead of the sticky posts with thread links we could get a single thread with wiki links. That way info is updated and people are spending an hour navigating through search results within one thread. In my mind this makes sense just putting it in print is eluding me.

Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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The fact it is personal and exposes peoples real identity is what makes it awesome. Most of the people here wouldnt act the way they did if they were made to use real name and such. Being anonymous has so many advantages and disadvantages.

Can I just point out that I started a thread with a guide to flashing and is intended to help the devs buffer the questions to that thread
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itzik2sh said:
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum?
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back on the actual topic, since it has once again been derailed by the self-appointed thread police....
Devs are not leaving us only for the reasons you stated. Some of that may be part of it, but it's not the sum total...
As for Facebook page... feel free to create one, and I wish you the best of luck.. as one of those 'weird' people who doesn't use Facebook, i won't be coming to visit it...

Attitudes on forum sites

I recently had a problem finding a Rom on the site. I kept going to all the pages and nothing I did worked when I tried to bring up the Rom on my computer. I asked in the section Galaxy Nexus for Verizon. Is there an update to my Rom. Instead of getting an answer I got things like can't you read huh. I then asked a direct yes or no and got a Yes Man answer. I tried to click on the title Rom and it kept taking me to another forum page and nothing there showed the answer.
After several nasty you got be kidding stuff. I went to my phone and went on the site from my phone. When I clicked on the title Rom on the page it took me to the site where the download was. My browser on my computer was not working with the site.
If someone would have said that or said something like did you try clicking on the title using another browser it would have been nicer than all the nasty remarks I got.
I am new to this and I do not spend a lot of time reading the site as I am very busy working and raising a family. I love having the site and I love using the Rom's for my phones. I wish people would be nicer and not so arrogant.

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I recently had a problem finding a Rom on the site. I kept going to all the pages and nothing I did worked when I tried to bring up the Rom on my computer. I asked in the section Galaxy Nexus for Verizon. Is there an update to my Rom. Instead of getting an answer I got things like can't you read huh. I then asked a direct yes or no and got a Yes Man answer. I tried to click on the title Rom and it kept taking me to another forum page and nothing there showed the answer.
After several nasty you got be kidding stuff. I went to my phone and went on the site from my phone. When I clicked on the title Rom on the page it took me to the site where the download was. My browser on my computer was not working with the site.
If someone would have said that or said something like did you try clicking on the title using another browser it would have been nicer than all the nasty remarks I got.
I am new to this and I do not spend a lot of time reading the site as I am very busy working and raising a family. I love having the site and I love using the Rom's for my phones. I wish people would be nicer and not so arrogant.
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Thank you for your post.
I believe one of the options here will help you properly report this:
http://www.xda-developers.com/contact/
Especially with the web issues you will want to report it.
Please also keep in mind if you are accessing behind a firewall that this too can affect your experience on the site.
Thank you!

I hear ya people do the same thing to me or they simply ignore me like their would be 300 views and not one post. Like my questions aren't even worth they're time. Other people ask a similar question and get numerous
Answers.
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Cuzzo3754 said:
I hear ya people do the same thing to me or they simply ignore me like their would be 300 views and not one post. Like my questions aren't even worth they're time. Other people ask a similar question and get numerous
Answers.
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Don't take this the wrong way. I honestly peruse as much as I can in the morning and then try to respond to what I can during the day. But 99% of the time I run out of time to reply so it's far more reading than typing.
If left on your own the other thing you can try to do is refine your search criteria. Try to get as specific as possible and include the device name or model. This may get you closer to the answer you're looking for as well.

Cuzzo3754 said:
I hear ya people do the same thing to me or they simply ignore me like their would be 300 views and not one post. Like my questions aren't even worth they're time. Other people ask a similar question and get numerous Answers.
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Root lucid 1 was posted in the 'General' forum, not in Questions & Answers.
Lg lucid problems with fpse was posted correctly in the Q&A forum. However, there is no forum dedicated to this device, there is likely to be very little development for, or knowledge of, it as a result. Also, this post appears to be asking about ways to circumvent licence checks on a Playstation emulator - XDA does not exist to support any form of piracy, and you would be much better off asking these sort of questions somewhere else such as the emuparadise forums instead.
People aren't deliberately ignoring you but many, like me, will skim through the threads, click on anything that sounds unusual, and help if they can - if they can't that is another person who has viewed your thread, and with over 5 Million members that will happen quite frequently.

I think looking at the post and not replying isn't such a big deal, but i have been in the same situation where someone has time to type a condescending reply to try to make the person feel like crap, but not enough time to help with the answer except to say its in one or more of the 80 pages of the current thread.
so when I see a question that has been answered before and I know the answer I sometimes just takes the 30-45 seconds to quickly answer the question without bothering to point out that its been answered before.
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And before saying the typical use the search function, have you guys actually tried it for specific answers? I really don't think you have.
It will take you to the right thread but not the right page. So its really pretty much useless.
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350Rocket said:
And before saying the typical use the search function, have you guys actually tried it for specific answers? I really don't think you have.
It will take you to the right thread but not the right page. So its really pretty much useless.
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It isn't perfect, but it's not that bad. Also, using Google to do the search and starting the search with
Code:
site:forum.xda-developers.com
will give a much more precise and accurate search result.

That info may come in very handy in the future. Thanks.
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XDA is a Developers community, not a Tech Support Helpdesk. We are not here to teach you the basics of how to use your computer.
The suggestion of testing in another browser is something you should do by default if a website doesn't work properly.
We're happy to help newcomers, but there is a limit to every person's patience. This limit usually lies at the point where people show up on an advanced tech community and don't even know how to properly use bloody Google.com. And because this happens at least 40 times a day, that patience is stretched very thin for most.
350Rocket said:
And before saying the typical use the search function, have you guys actually tried it for specific answers? I really don't think you have.
It will take you to the right thread but not the right page. So its really pretty much useless.
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The gear icon behind the search bar is Advanced Search. There you can select Posts for the result as opposed to threads. (bottom left.) This will list the individual posts.
And if you're in a thread, above the thread is another search bar: Search in this thread. This will show all the posts in that thread with the keywords you type in there.
It's not useless if you look for more than 3 seconds

I have used it lots if times, thanks.
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Actually I've used advanced search lots without much luck. I don't see the search at top of the thread though, I'm in the app. Is it just on desktop site?
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You guys must remember,we all cant be jolly all the time,developers have jobs and families also,besides doing this for you guys for free,hours and hours and days,maybe weeks go by while trying to get the bugs out of a rom that everyone wants,while in the meantime,the guys boss or ole lady is yelling at them to get their ducks in a row and quit slacking,when all their trying to do is contribute to the community and make you happy,soo when a developer or some other forum contributor doesnt answer your question right away,its not you.Just be patient someone will eventually come along and answer it,also you need to remember alot of questions that are asked,can easily be google or searched here on the forum and you will find the answer yourself or figure it out on your own.Your right though at the same time,we shouldnt be grumpy towards people trying to fix something or learn.