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Hey guys I was meandering through the forum reading up on the root progress, and I read about a member's idea and work on an automated root, I just want to say that from a dedicated member to the inc forum I am disappointed in the flaming and garbage that all you "experienced" devs are throwing at the people who haven't used adb before... Come on guys if you can't be kind why say something, you know? They won't learn if somebody is discouraging them from even trying... So just a thought, be kind because discouragement is not what these forums are about guys.
Peace to all you silly android fans out there and happy rooting!
People will make those sort of comments unfortunately.
And people will make these sort of posts about it.
Just another day on almost every community forums.
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People will make those sort of comments unfortunately.
And people will make these sort of posts about it.
Just another day on almost every community forums.
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Just saying man, coming from the inc forum where we actually help eachother... Its no way to talk to somebody who could actually turn into a decent dev, its happened tons of times
It has nothing to do with being rude or polite... The root process is very crude at the moment, recovery is not fully functional and You really can't back up if you fubar your phone... There is a very strong possibility of making a paper weight with the current method ... Just be patient I hear unrEVOked is working on root which won't come out until a solid recovery is running
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Here is a link for anyone needing adb help. i made a post in a thread with links to help users learn adb and understand it. i understand the being new and needing help. the link in the post are the links i used to learn adb and everything with it.
Will go directly to my post with links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12255365&postcount=27
I agree with the OP...it was just the attitude of some of them that was the issue. Very rude and condescending. I do agree that right now it's a crude root method and that without a solid working recovery it's not advisable for anyone but the experienced. BUT that is no reason to denigrate those that want a one click solution down the line when things are solid.
When the Inc first was rooted, I remember the same types of posts about not knowing adb = shouldn't root.
It's just part of the territory. Also it leads to the same hand-holding through the process 50x a day.
It'll pass, just like it did with the Inc
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The above post is correct. Don't let anyone discourage you. We were all new to this at one point, and I don't think there is a single one of us that did not get an impolite comment directed towards a valid question at some point during the learning process.
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People are just rude in general. If you say something someone doesn't agree with, they make damn sure you know they disapprove. I took my leave from the INC forums after the iPhone 4 debacle that happened in the general forum. That and someone told me my ROM list was stupid and worthless in a PM...
I concur, I can ADB like I'm typing a paper (I have extensive command line experience) but my gf, who bought her first android phone recently, can hardly turn a computer on.
Long story short, some people don't want to risk breaking their brand spanking new phone just to have more functionality. If an easy, tried and true method presents itself, people will not only flock to it, but they will gladly give money for it (I know I would). Calling someone a noob or making fun of them is counter-productive and will deter all future forward progress here. No one wants to dev for a bunch of ingrates and jerks.
+1 to the OP.
necosino said:
When the Inc first was rooted, I remember the same types of posts about not knowing adb = shouldn't root.
It's just part of the territory. Also it leads to the same hand-holding through the process 50x a day.
It'll pass, just like it did with the Inc
Ditto- I know what I don't know. And I don't know adb.
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I agree 100%. Too many jerks here for this forum to be a useful resouce atm. Maybe one day down the line....
magneticzero said:
I agree 100%. Too many jerks here for this forum to be a useful resouce atm. Maybe one day down the line....
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I would, respectfully, disagree w/that statement.
IMHO what happens is people get tired of listening to the same questions over and over and over - this is why we have a search button and why google kicks ass too. I think people get snippy after seeing the 8 millionth person come in and ask "what's root" or "what's a ROM".
I'm not sure of the rudeness the OP was mentioning as I haven't seen it in regards to NOOB developers, but from my own personal experience around here I've found this place to be very helpful. I learned all I could about rooting my Eris via google and on another one of the android forums, ultimately a google search landed me here and I took the plunge and rooted and started w/the Kaos ROMS before trying many, many others.
People shouldn't just come in and start asking Q's - they should look around first and when they don't, that's why trouble starts (not here, on ANY forum).
As far as the OP here goes, I haven't read the posts he was talking about, but I can understand why -if somebody was looking for legitimate "how to" info on development and that person was met w/a bunch of crap - they would be frustrated.
I love it here
If you find any rude people pm me about them, I have a hammer
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If you find any rude people pm me about them, I have a hammer
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We also have a chicken and a kraken (sp??) ....
As one of the newer users here, I understand where both sides are coming from. The amount of content here is kind of intimidating for some people, and those who are looking for a "do everything" solution such as one-click root are going to be dissappointed. And then some people are so impatient to root that they'll be pestering people, asking any question that helps them out immediately, not checking for already posted questions, and that's the hand-holding that is being criticized/attacked here.
But I do see where they are coming from. There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to read all the threads here, nor will many set foot in the general Android forums here I think, so they don't know where to start, and many will ask their own questions in their own thread(s).
If anything, some of the most important information that needs to be more accessible IMO is the links to the driver/tweaking the driver for the device to be picked up with adb.
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There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to read all the threads here, nor will many set foot in the general Android forums here I think, so they don't know where to start, and many will ask their own questions in their own thread(s).
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We all have our moments. I tend to answer the questions first, then include something like if you have to ask this, you're probably not ready to do it on your own yet, or here's your answer, but a simple search would have revealed it.
Google and search are our friends. Most of the "old timers" just get annoyed when people ask something that could have easily been found with either a Google search (set site to xda if only interested in xda responses) or with a forum search (search from main area that covers all subsections, use "show posts" and skim through the results), because the same question has been/asked answered dozens of times already.
All that said, the sub-forum structure across devices is inconsistent, the protocols of where to ask/post isn't consistent, and the search feature in xda absolutely SUCKS. I've always considered myself a pretty good query builder to find what I want quickly, but even I have to run through multiple searches to find what I'm looking for. The 30 second delay between being able to start a new query can be very frustrating, if xda dropped that to 10 seconds or so, it would probably encourage more multiple searches before asking. It's no wonder newer members get frustrated, though many are just too lazy or desperate to take the time to look...
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If you find any rude people pm me about them, I have a hammer
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Alright good to know, thank you
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Russ36363 said:
There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum.
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A Q&A sub-forum would help with this. It helped the Fascinate forum out a lot with the very same issues described in this thread.
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Garrett07 said:
Just saying man, coming from the inc forum where we actually help eachother... Its no way to talk to somebody who could actually turn into a decent dev, its happened tons of times
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I just want to say that until last night I HAD no idea how to use adb. One of those devs that you are complaining is so rude, got me the help I needed, to the point that they were on RDP with me and handheld me thru it, even straight did some sections.
In ither words I'm finding nothing but help from the dev community.
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I just want to say that until last night I HAD no idea how to use adb. One of those devs that you are complaining is so rude, got me the help I needed, to the point that they were on RDP with me and handheld me thru it, even straight did some sections.
In ither words I'm finding nothing but help from the dev community.
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I never said they aren't helping, I'm saying that rudeness is not what forum communities need to be based on, its not right that people have to have attitude online, nor in general, people come to forums for help and communication they don't want to get on a thread and see that somebody has posted a reply being rude to their work and or statement, its just something I'd like to see change but it never will
Hi everyone,
So I've seen this issue resurface many times in many different threads, most recently in the updating inspire thread. My requests are simple:
IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE FORUM, PLEASE USE THE SEARCH BUTTON BEFORE ASKING A QUESTION. IF THEN, YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND, FEEL FREE TO ASK (AND MAKE SURE YOU MENTION THAT YOU TRIED).
IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO FLAME SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T SEARCH, BE POLITE. If you want to answer their question too, go ahead.
If someone doesn't answer their question but asks them to search first, please don't flame them either. It's absolutely useless to redo the debate that's been had many many times before. Some people prefer not to answer questions in these cases while others don't. Let's all live happily ever after and not get on each others' backs because we're all experienced and veteran users trying to help others out. There is no need to get testy or question why someone does or doesn't answer a question. To each their own.
Now, back to my ORD (obsessive rom-flashing disorder for you newbies)...
Agreed.
I try to be as polite as possible without compromising the message. Sometimes it's difficult not to come across like a jerk when all you have to communicate with is text and smilies.
I often start feeling bad, thinking I was too harsh, and end-up going back and trying to make amends, anyway.
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Agreed.
I try to be as polite as possible without compromising the message. Sometimes it's difficult not to come across like a jerk when all you have to communicate with is text and smilies.
I often start feeling bad, thinking I was too harsh, and end-up going back and trying to make amends, anyway.
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I never feel bad about it.
I've been living in forums for far too long to fret over this. I have a whole like 15 posts here but started back over a yr ago with my Rhodium. Now I'm getting into the more modded styles and am enjoying passing on what I've read here even gotten a few other friends to join. All cause this forum has a huge database of knowledge with an actual small amount of flaming.
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I never feel bad about it.
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I've noticed. Your one of my heroes, actually.
I try not to get to upset or flame to much. But sometimes I cant help it lol. I just had someone tell me not to be a douche when I gave them the answer and told him to search. He said theres 214 pages on this thread. I have to admit I lost it called him out and said my fair share of bad words lol. And told him exactly what i searched for and what page to find the answer on. There is no excuse for ignorance or stupidity in this age of google and forums. I have come to find more often then not its laziness and just wanting someone to give them the answer rather then find it out. I personally find that I learn more when I search and usually find even more useful info out. That's my 2 cents.
Here is his comment with a quote of my original answer. (post number 2102)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984805&page=211
Here is my not so nice flame back lol. (post number 2119)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14558887#post14558887
P.S. I did apologize to the op for the flame also.
There is now excuse to reading; almost any answer is already posted. when I first joined XDA I spent 2 days solid just reading. If one does half as much as I did, you end up with a good sense of how rooting, flashing, customizing the Inspire is done and also use the IRC chat rooms.
Guys don't let up! I never got hurt by anyone here, it only inspires to search, read, AND LEARN!!!
Holding someone's hand never encourages or lets them learn!
This thread already exists, use the search button next time.
Jk jk that would be ironic no?
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This thread already exists, use the search button next time.
Jk jk that would be ironic no?
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LoL. It is ironic. I have already seen numerous threads about using the search button first.
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Carlrobling said:
I try not to get to upset or flame to much. But sometimes I cant help it lol. I just had someone tell me not to be a douche when I gave them the answer and told him to search. He said theres 214 pages on this thread. I have to admit I lost it called him out and said my fair share of bad words lol. And told him exactly what i searched for and what page to find the answer on. There is no excuse for ignorance or stupidity in this age of google and forums. I have come to find more often then not its laziness and just wanting someone to give them the answer rather then find it out. I personally find that I learn more when I search and usually find even more useful info out. That's my 2 cents.
Here is his comment with a quote of my original answer. (post number 2102)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984805&page=211
Here is my not so nice flame back lol. (post number 2119)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14558887#post14558887
P.S. I did apologize to the op for the flame also.
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Glad you posted this,cause I missed your response. But dude,once in a while,someone could read over something easily. I shouldn't post this here,since this thread goes against flaming,but you were out of line. And by the way **** face,I unchecked the tell HTC box,it didn't work. But not being the newby you treated me like,I figured it out on my own. Your vision on someone not searching or being lazy,is outta this world ****ed up bro. You are the type of user who completely does not care about anything but trying to prove there intelligence. Here is what a user should do when having a problem:
1: read,read......read!
2: read over all you read,again
3: do a couple searches
4: retry what you did that caused the problem
5: after all that fails,ask the question you need an answer too
I DID ALL OF THAT YOU ASS.
I read all 200 and something pages of the thread before i ever asked my question,and as hard as it is for you to beleive,I read over what I was looking for.
And before any of you write this up as flaming,his whole post here was flaming me. Have a nice day captain douchebag
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Good luck with this thread. I made one a few weeks ago and the noobs whined and got it closed. So yeah for all noobs click here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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We need to start this thread over new every week just to vent and let everyone have at it and get it out then close it, delete it on Friday and open it up fresh on Monday. LOL
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Lets just get it stickied
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mattmiller said:
Good luck with this thread. I made one a few weeks ago and the noobs whined and got it closed. So yeah for all noobs click here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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LOL! I think you posted that video in that thread too.
The reason search isn't as effective it could be is because there is so much duplicate content from noobs asking the same quetsions over and over.
In a way XDA site has become a end user support site more so than a tech/dev site.
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The reason search isn't as effective it could be is because there is so much duplicate content from noobs asking the same quetsions over and over.
In a way XDA site has become a end user support site more so than a tech/dev site.
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I 100% agree with this,we need more mods. I know its gotta be hard for them to keep this place cleaned up
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Its not about whether or not people should search, im sure alot do and alot dont. Problem is some the the questions they are asking might be answered to someone who already knows the answer. To the one asking the question it was only partially answered in the post they searched for, then u get these forum nazi's jumping all over them saying search search search, usually the one saying that says it for post count or just to have something to say period, because they dont have any answers.
If i know the answer, I will answer it if it wasnt already answered. There are plenty nice peeps on here that answer, and not half assed. What is clear to peeps that have a good understanding of what there doing to begin with, is not always clear to someone with little to no knowledge of modding there phones.
Thanks to everyone here that does have the patience to help all the noobs out. If everyone was a smartass about everything what good would the forums be.
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I 100% agree with this,we need more mods. I know its gotta be hard for them to keep this place cleaned up
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That's what all of this is about... Community moderation.. reminding people of the rules when mods aren't around to do it, which is a lot of the time.
But, as I'm finding out, it's not a very popular thing with a lot of people. I got accused of "acting like god of this forum," because I reminded someone, after that person had their question answered by another poster, to search a little better next time. It was one of the most commonly questions here.
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Its not about whether or not people should search, im sure alot do and alot dont. Problem is some the the questions they are asking might be answered to someone who already knows the answer. To the one asking the question it was only partially answered in the post they searched for, then u get these forum nazi's jumping all over them saying search search search, usually the one saying that says it for post count or just to have something to say period, because they dont have any answers.
If i know the answer, I will answer it if it wasnt already answered. There are plenty nice peeps on here that answer, and not half assed. What is clear to peeps that have a good understanding of what there doing to begin with, is not always clear to someone with little to no knowledge of modding there phones.
Thanks to everyone here that does have the patience to help all the noobs out. If everyone was a smartass about everything what good would the forums be.
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Your rite. See knewbs can be aggrivating,but we were once all one our selves. And yes,knewbs should search and read first,and if they have a problem,then ask a question. But someone shouldn't jump down there throat off the bat,assuming they didn't search first. I mean,sometimes I have a hard time finding something by googlin it and my gf will find it with one search LOL. So its not just the knewbs clustering the place,its also people who Jump down there throat and cause an argument that lasts 2 pages worth of thread. Here's an example of how I think it should be done
Knewb: " i tried to install android evelution and keep getting reboots"
Member: " did you search?"
Knewb: "yes and I can't find anything on it"
Member: "ok try full wiping,then reflashing. If that doesent work,post back here and im sure we can help you out"
See,like give them an easy answer ya know? And if they cone back saying it didn't work,then its time to be the members of a great forum,and help the guy,atleast tell him what to read through to resolve the problem. On the other hand,if a knewb comes off like there not even willing to try and help there selves,then don't even respond. In the long run it will save a lot of space on the forum. Instead of being jerks,we can guide the knewbs to being a intelligent user,that way they will be the ones answering questions down the road. Of we did that,then it would save time for the more experienced users to make great stuff for us here at xda. I'm not taking up for knewbs here,I'm just saying that there not the only ones clustering the place. And I'm not talking about the guys who come off as a jerk because there responding to something over the internet,I mean the ones who snap on a knewb,without leaving nothing but an half ass answer,and a rude comment that leads to a huge argument.
My 2cents,I have plenty more
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That's what all of this is about... Community moderation.. reminding people of the rules when mods aren't around to do it, which is a lot of the time.
But, as I'm finding out, it's not a very popular thing with a lot of people. I got accused of "acting like god of this forum," because I reminded someone, after that person had their question answered by another poster, to search a little better next time. It was one of the most commonly questions here.
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Rite. See the users that have knowledge,need to guide the knewbs so there will be more experienced users to do so. Sometimes I come off as taking up for the knewbs,but its just that the people that's been here a while or have intelligence about all this,can make this place better,and control situations if we just do like you said,and say hey "try searching a little bit next time bud" instead of "omg you rlidiot,go search before you post" ya know?
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How can I get this on y phone just saw on android development via Facebook they finished it or something, still running stock looking to upgrade my charge and touch pad
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Wrong forum.. Goes, in q&a also cm7 id in a very alpha state.. Radios don't work
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Had you bothered to do ANY reading or took 10 seconds to search, you would have found your answer. Maybe you can get where I'm going with this, but judging by the fact that you didn't look through any other forums, posted in the wrong place, and didn't search, I'm going to guess you won't. It's a good thing stupidity isn't contagious...
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Had you bothered to do ANY reading or took 10 seconds to search, you would have found your answer. Maybe you can get where I'm going with this, but judging by the fact that you didn't look through any other forums, posted in the wrong place, and didn't search, I'm going to guess you won't. It's a good thing stupidity isn't contagious...
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Ha Ha Ha Awesome that couldn't of been worded any better! Take that you no searchers!
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imnuts said:
Had you bothered to do ANY reading or took 10 seconds to search, you would have found your answer. Maybe you can get where I'm going with this, but judging by the fact that you didn't look through any other forums, posted in the wrong place, and didn't search, I'm going to guess you won't. It's a good thing stupidity isn't contagious...
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people dont know how to read??? thats why they come to XDA the place where you just plug your phone in and it magically roms itself
imnuts said:
Had you bothered to do ANY reading or took 10 seconds to search, you would have found your answer. Maybe you can get where I'm going with this, but judging by the fact that you didn't look through any other forums, posted in the wrong place, and didn't search, I'm going to guess you won't. It's a good thing stupidity isn't contagious...
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Now why would I bother to read, search, or try to post in the correct forum when I could simply click "new thread" and type in whatever question I have, and get the answers from an entire community of people? Seems much easier to have everyone else do the work for me. Right?
I love you guys.
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The best thing about xda...you can re-live middle school with all the finger pointing and blasting of people.....too many know it all kids
So much for XDA being a place to learn. Guess if you don't already know you're on you're own! Good attitude guys!
To answer the OP, CM 7.1 was recently released out of release candidate status. The charge however is not on the supported list yet. There's still a lot of work to be done before it's ready to be loaded on anyone's phone. Hang in there. There's a good amount of other ROM's currently available for the Charge though that are worth looking into. (Humblecomb, GummyCharged, DCTQ to name a few)
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So much for XDA being a place to learn. Guess if you don't already know you're on you're own! Good attitude guys!
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There are literally two new threads about this a week. You don't even have to search. Just look in the Q&A forum and click back one or twice. Hell...you don't even have to do that right now. There's one started two days ago that is the first non-sticky post on the first page as I type this.
Asking questions is fine, but we have community guidelines, FAQ's, and search buttons for a reason.
The first response answered the question. (And mentioned the fact that this is the wrong forum for Q&A)
Maybe all the mini-mods should just hit the report button and let the real moderators do their job instead of posting a bunch of useless crap. If you don't want to see the useless posts maybe replying and putting them back at the top of the forum is not such a good idea.
Questions or Problems Should Not Be Posted in the Development Forum
Please Post in the Correct Forums and Read THIS
Moving to Q&A
Last time I checked cm7 is development just about everything is a question posted on here and if I knew what to search for I would didn't know people got their panties all in a bunch over the wrong forum topic but I appreciate the response that was helpful Thanx a lot
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I was in agreement that most of the responses were uncalled for until the OP responded. It's difficult to feel bad when that attitude is taken towards people that actually contribute to the forum.
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ttime411 said:
Last time I checked cm7 is development just about everything is a question posted on here and if I knew what to search for I would didn't know people got their panties all in a bunch over the wrong forum topic but I appreciate the response that was helpful Thanx a lot
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CM7 is development. Your question about CM7 is not development. Your question is a question. If you would like to know what you should type in the search to find out about CM7, first try "CM7". I am sorry the developers and mods who spend their time making our phones awesome and maintaining the forums were not nicer to you when you posted a question in the development forum after not reading a single forum guideline. I'm sure they're sorry. Hope this helped.
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ttime411 said:
Last time I checked cm7 is development just about everything is a question posted on here and if I knew what to search for I would didn't know people got their panties all in a bunch over the wrong forum topic but I appreciate the response that was helpful Thanx a lot
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Maybe I was rude, but I went and typed in CM7 in the search box for just the DROID Charge forums (all of them) and came up with 12 topics. Searching for cyanogenmod came up with 5 topics. I could also search either of those items with droid charge added to them in Google, Yahoo, or Bing, and end up with the most relevant info being on the first page of results too. Seeing that any one of those options would have taken less time than it took you to create this thread, which was initially in the incorrect forum, maybe you can see why people responded the way they did. Why should anyone else put forth any effort when you couldn't take 30 seconds to even begin to search on your own?
All questions like this should automatically spam the OP with PMs of LMGTFY links.
It's really quite ridiculous.
Honestly, if you're not smart enough to form a relatively basic search like so many people have laid out here in this and other related threads (oh so many threads), then you really shouldn't be attempting to do something so complicated as loading unsupported OS builds onto your phone.
Ok, it's pretty sad that the SGS4G forum has the issues that is does. I have another phone and have been in it's XDA forum as well, to see that people in there aren't as lazy and stupid as some are in this forum. They actually READ the OP, search for answers to their questions before posting them and when they cannot find the answers, then they post to the forum in the appropriate spots with logcat (if available) included! Amazing isn't it... This is why we have lost DEVs. STUPIDITY!
Did you know (and I speak form experience) that if you do not read and follow an OP on how to flash a ROM you could end up with:
1) A bricked phone (super hard bricked too... meaning, NON RECOVERABLE!)
2) A trashed sim card (yeah, I know it isn't that abd, but it is still a pain in the ass to call and deal with customer support to order a new one and then go to the store to pick it up or skip the call and go down to your service provider and pay up to 35 bucks for a new one... that can get pricey after just a few "I do what I want" flash mistakes.
3) A bad flash resulting in an unstable unusable ROM. And then when you decide to flash it correctly, you have lost that time...forever... Oh, and let's not forget the time and space you wasted on here asking the same question 300 other dummies already asked.
There are so many BAD possibilities that could result in not following directions. Didn't your momma teach you to follow directions? There was a reason for it! Plus, didn't your daddy teach you to help yourself first, and then when you had exhausted all options, ask for help?
Granted, I have made these same mistakes before. But I have learned. But there just seems to be SOOOOOOO many of you that just don't get it! To the point that I have actually seen some one ask the a question by quoting the post that contained the answer! That is purely STUPID!
Is this a flame? You damn right it is! But I am not only here to vent my frustrations out on you, but to help you.
Read the rules aka The Ten Commandments, they are simple and easy to follow (I will make a pictorial upon request):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310270
If you are Noob, which means you have never, or only done it once or twice, flashed a ROM, theme, etc, here is a great link for you to ask many of your questions:
Universal Question Solver
Now before you post in the DEV section assuming you have trolled and spam other forums, use this link to guide you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979109
Read the ENTIRE OP for christs sake!
After all that is done, like maybe 10-20 minutes of your time then post a thread IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION, or reply to a thread with your questions or issues WITH A LOGCAT! Oh, and it doesn't have to be the entire logcat, just the part that pertains to your issue. If you do not know how to read your logcat, you can always post it for free, after registering, here:
pastebin.com
Please guys, FOR THE LOVE OF OUR PHONES, lets try to lay nicely and by the rules...
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Ok, it's pretty sad that the SGS4G forum has the issues that is does. I have another phone and have been in it's XDA forum as well, to see that people in there aren't as lazy and stupid as some are in this forum. They actually READ the OP, search for answers to their questions before posting them and when they cannot find the answers, then they post to the forum in the appropriate spots with logcat (if available) included! Amazing isn't it... This is why we have lost DEVs. STUPIDITY!
Did you know (and I speak form experience) that if you do not read and follow an OP on how to flash a ROM you could end up with:
1) A bricked phone (super hard bricked too... meaning, NON RECOVERABLE!)
2) A trashed sim card (yeah, I know it isn't that abd, but it is still a pain in the ass to call and deal with customer support to order a new one and then go to the store to pick it up or skip the call and go down to your service provider and pay up to 35 bucks for a new one... that can get pricey after just a few "I do what I want" flash mistakes.
3) A bad flash resulting in an unstable unusable ROM. And then when you decide to flash it correctly, you have lost that time...forever... Oh, and let's not forget the time and space you wasted on here asking the same question 300 other dummies already asked.
There are so many BAD possibilities that could result in not following directions. Didn't your momma teach you to follow directions? There was a reason for it! Plus, didn't your daddy teach you to help yourself first, and then when you had exhausted all options, ask for help?
Granted, I have made these same mistakes before. But I have learned. But there just seems to be SOOOOOOO many of you that just don't get it! To the point that I have actually seen some one ask the a question by quoting the post that contained the answer! That is purely STUPID!
Is this a flame? You damn right it is! But I am not only here to vent my frustrations out on you, but to help you.
Read the rules aka The Ten Commandments, they are simple and easy to follow (I will make a pictorial upon request):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310270
If you are Noob, which means you have never, or only done it once or twice, flashed a ROM, theme, etc, here is a great link for you to ask many of your questions:
Universal Question Solver
Now before you post in the DEV section assuming you have trolled and spam other forums, use this link to guide you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979109
Read the ENTIRE OP for christs sake!
After all that is done, like maybe 10-20 minutes of your time then post a thread IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION, or reply to a thread with your questions or issues WITH A LOGCAT! Oh, and it doesn't have to be the entire logcat, just the part that pertains to your issue. If you do not know how to read your logcat, you can always post it for free, after registering, here:
pastebin.com
Please guys, FOR THE LOVE OF OUR PHONES, lets try to lay nicely and by the rules...
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Nice
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20030358
This has been my homework lately. I think it would help the community to read the same thing. Although it may not really matter. As the warden in Cool Hand Luke so eloquently said, "Some men you just can't reach." I'm also going to try and learn how to read the darn things so I can try to help out even further. But since I'm not terribly familiar with Linux commands it may take a little while.
Thread bump. And sorry dude but the world needs more bass
http://notreble.com
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Jules is it necessary to quote long post? Really?
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thomas
I here you. It's been done before. People just don't get it. Vent away though.
Jules
What lumin said. A simple nice would have sufficed.
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Thread bump. And sorry dude but the world needs more bass
http://notreble.com
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Thank you Bassmanjames... For being the prime example of the f**king jackasses that I am talking about. What the hell does a site about bass guitars adn crap have to do with anything I said. I am glad I put this up... We shall call this training for dumbies like you!
And to give you and the rest of your clan a little insight... I use to be totally against the flame... But now I see why it happens... Go troll on crackberry or something...
Jules
I trully believe you have good intentions and you want to become this phone dev, but you write too much, quote too much and generally flud all the threads.
I don't think it helps you on the long run. If you want to be a dev - read, search, then read and search and if you really have to, post a private message, otherwise you seem like a noob calling yourself a dev in progress.
Read the 'how to decompile an apk' in the modding forum and all the 'how to make a custom ROM' general forum threads, download root explorer for the trial and error and notepad++ for the updater script and make a productive contribution to the community.
Good luck.
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Just want to throw out there that as bad as this forum may seem, its a hella lot better than some.
I got so sick of the g2x forums I flamed someone (which I make a point to avoid doing) and came back to this phone! (course the main reason is cause this is just a superior device in every way)
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SMH. This is what gives XDA a bad name.
+1 Thomas
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well you sure do have a point - 10x for that.
Hopefully people will read and internalize it.
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Thank you Bassmanjames... For being the prime example of the f**king jackasses that I am talking about. What the hell does a site about bass guitars adn crap have to do with anything I said. I am glad I put this up... We shall call this training for dumbies like you!
And to give you and the rest of your clan a little insight... I use to be totally against the flame... But now I see why it happens... Go troll on crackberry or something...
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LOL glad i could help. Your welcome everyone needs to vent once in a while. I have already participated in many general threads about this topic and in accordance with the rules why did you start another? It is sad that the general populous can't search or feels so entitled they don't think they should have to; but, such is life sir, as you can see.
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The forum is a great tool...
but posting in the wrong forum can ruin it :-(
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Lol nice there thomas. Also, I agree about quoting long posts. I use to cut them just to let the people know what I'm answering or just mention @username and write. Also, no need for signatures or wether you are sending the post from xda premium or free or whatever phone.
In my opinion, this forum sucks because of little moderation by those who can. Threads and posts need to be deleted every now and then. I have made a ticket with xda regarding this but they told me to use the report button... bah. We all have to admit than sometimes threads get to the 1000's post and its difficult to keep track of every post so one has to ask same question because of the useless crap posted and I understand doesn't have an option.
Anyway, if I got to be a noob or a disturbing person... sorry, not my intention as I use to read more than post. If I flamed you... well you probably deserved it and I'm not sorry. I hope this forum gets some massive clean up one day and to see everything organized.
At the end of the day a forum is used to post... and people will post what they want even if its crap like what I just wrote in this post. Lol
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At the end of the day a forum is used to post... and people will post what they want even if its crap like what I just wrote in this post. Lol
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+1000 man!
Take note how I cut down the quote peeps. I left just the meat and potatoes... In the army, we have what is called the K.I.S.S. method...
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
I still think that this forum needs more Operatives or Moderator watching out for the forum...
too bad there is only one
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Also, no need for signatures or wether you are sending the post from xda premium or free or whatever phone.
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It just keeps piling on, pretty soon someone will say there's no need for posting actual posts.
BTW, if you're going to suggest there's no need for signatures, please remove yours
Yes, I'm being sarcastic, but I think some of this is getting out of hand, one extreme to another. From little policing, by those that should, to over policing by those who re self-appointed, Vigilante's as it were.
There are moderators, there are tools to be used for reporting specific threads or posts in case they are overlooked.
Use those tools enough and the PTB's will start paying more attention to this forum maybe, and keeping it a bit more cleaned up.
Our mod seems to have a lot of other forums to police as well... so maybe we can end up with one who has more time to keep an eye on this place.
Core618 said:
It just keeps piling on, pretty soon someone will say there's no need for posting actual posts.
BTW, if you're going to suggest there's no need for signatures, please remove yours
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I mean the signature from the phone "Sent from T959 using Xda..." you know... not the one here. My bad.
Anyway I stated that people can and will post whatever they want, either be a good post or one ready to get flame. I was just saying my opinion. No offense intended.
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I mean the signature from the phone "Sent from T959 using Xda..." you know... not the one here. My bad.
Anyway I stated that people can and will post whatever they want, either be a good post or one ready to get flame. I was just saying my opinion. No offense intended.
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None taken, it's extremely hard to offend me anyway.
The XDA app and Tapatalk both add that little signature line by default. It's a single line and takes up less space than most other signatures (my own included, although I did drop my graphic at least)
And yea, people will be people, no matter what the rest of us say or do we're going to continue to see peeps that don't bother to search, they just want someone to spoonfeed them.
They are the same people who, after reading app and/or rom descriptions install/flash and then complain it's not what they expected, and they want this/that/or the other added to it, or removed from it, and they want it now.
Mostly this is because the whole world revolves around them, and these devs are here solely to provide them with everything, for free, without complaint, in a timely manner (timely being instantly!)
No matter how many posts are made referencing the proper way to do things, these same people will ignore them, because they know that the rules don't apply to them, those rules are for the 'other people', the ones the world doesn't revolve around.
So I use my own rules in regards to those wonderful folks. I flag/report the trolls, point out threads that need removed, help those that seem truly lost, yet not demanding, point others to the door.
The mods do respond, usually pretty quickly, to reported threads and posts. They just seem to stealth in and handle it.
I made use of it last night for a thread, when I got up this morning, the thread was gone.
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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In theory it sounds great. However people will not post there for reason they dont post in proper sections here.
The real issue is this, the community is divided. I left the Optimus V because Virgins coverage sucks for me. I really wish I could have kept the phone and plan and the main reason is the community. At AC I swear the people there help everybody. Even if it is a question already asked. Somebody will pipe up and offer a link.
Im guilty as charged in attacking a n00b for being stupid. However witht eh cost of the Optimus V and the extremely cheap plan many people was buying the phone to tether and have cheap internet. And Most of those people were clueless as to what the hell they were doing. In most cases a friend told them about the phone and plan and how easy it was to root and start tethering. As a end user you dont want those people creating issues for your service. So if your rude and refuse to help they go away.
But right now I can point you to at the minimum of five threads where the community is helping the noobs and letting the devs do their thing. If a dev needs to address something they do. Otherwise the community answers questions. The biggest reason for this is changelogs, instructions, and all that stuff is never deleted just updated. Even if the rom has evolved to a new level. The old info is still posted so people can find out what changed in the various releases. Plus even after somebody asks the same question ten others have asked patience is exhibited and answers are given.
The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.They are looking to get a answer for the problem at hand. Most of them will go away if pointed in the right direction. However when people start piling on flaming them for not searching properly it just creates more spam in the thread and drives them away. Then you have people that talk major **** about how xda is a bunch of arrogant f*cktards.
Plenty of people do help in my observations. Im new and signed up only to help people. Answered a 'noob' question before making this post, amd I was nice about it too.
Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
If the answer to a simple and eady to answer question is out there and can be found by a search, and someone asks the question anyways after being told that is what they should do in yhe futurethat is laziness, not ignorance. And getting on their case is not arrogance, some of those asking questions have high enough post counts here, they should of learned how to make their own way by now.
I should also add that I have no programming experience, and have only been using a smartphone for 3 months. Yet I have never had to ask a question about how to install a rom or fix a brick. Because I searched for the answer, and everyone else should too.
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eollie said:
The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.
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How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
Holocene said:
Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
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I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question. Yesterday I searched for something I had seen posted the search results..stated they were updated 10 minutes before I had searched. How is that even possible?
FBis251 said:
How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
Not every person that comes here for answers is a dev or wants to be a dev.
@ eollie: I have a great idea... quit talking about it and writing these long unnecessary posts and start helping. Lead by example! Maybe others will follow suit since you seem to think people don't help others on here. I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with these LONG posts?
eollie said:
I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question.
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I generally bookmark posts that contain information relevant to my interests that I may not be able to commit to memory at the time. Yes, some get changed but most are because the information is wrong or outdated. Another post nearby most likely holds updated info.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
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I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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Holocene said:
I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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I spent three hours tearing apart a rom to find a wallpaper used on the lockscreen. Im not a dev nor am I a themer but even doing a search for where lockscreen wallpaper is located kept directing me to widgetlocker and those types of apps. A week ago I would have just posted here in hopes somebody would point me in the proper direction. Instead I just sat in front of my computer for three hours because I didnt want to deal with the responses.
Your smartass response...well its not so smart.
@lumin30 dude seriously if you dont like my posts ignore them. Im sorry the community here is absolutely horrendous in helping people. Prime example is the post I have quoted above. Instead of taking what I was saying and using it logically he took it literally. I wasnt asking where I was using a simple example of what I have seen here. Then he even attempted to insult me with his last comment.
Im not here to make friends or enemies. Im here lookig for ways to better my android experience. When that experience is hampered because some tool wants to be a internet badass it pisses me off. Especially when in the process of berating somebody they prove how ignorant they really are. Most people that post here are human beings once in a while you will get a spam bot but 99% of the time you are dealing with a human. Some are old enough to be your grandparents others your teenage brother/sister.
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wow.....
i really could say something towards this thread for you guys to feed on, but i'll just shut my mouth and just say one more word.
wow.....
now what's the title of this thread again? sorry, but reading all this here made me forget. and sorry for yet another 4 paragraph response.
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eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
MY RESPONSE: OK
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eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
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And you just cant let it go can you? I apologized to him and he has accepted it. See adults work things out and accept mistakes and apologies. I guess a child like you just wants to keep the friction and tension high so you appear to be superior. Regarding my not following my own advise in ignoring people..I find your posts in response to me very amusing. You just can help yourself and not respond. Your like a woman arguing to get the last word in. You just cant help it. I would say Im look forward to your response but honestly its not fun anymore you are too predictable.
lumin will post within the next ten minutes rebuting me.
Your name calling, swearing, and the chauvanistic and defamatory comments you just made speak on your behalf. Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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Holocene said:
Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
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Im glad you feel that way. I have seen it first hand tho. You even did it in your initial post to me. Tried to insult me via your last comment. Good god its like people cant see past their own nose. Im guilty as charged in smashing noobs with a bat. But Ive never claimed to not do it. I just think sometimes it is not necessary.
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@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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High road exit was before you posted to me initially. Getting back now will be a long process or winding mountainous roads. Dont forget to enjoy the view along the way tho. There is some awesome put out points to take pictures.
as much as i'd hate to say this, but i see this thread getting deleted before the weekend.
itzik2sh said:
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device. trust me, i've checked the mytouch 3g slide forums (my fiance's device) and the galaxy tab 10.1 forums (my next device) and have yet to see what goes on here on those forums. seems to me MOST people with this device are nothing but spoiled little teenagers that are spoon fed all the time. it's no wonder the devs are dropping like flies. if i was a dev, i would leave also. sorry for ranting on your thread itz, but felt this was the best place to put in my 2 cents worth.
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droidmyst said:
now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device.
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I mentioned it before but a lot of people ignore wikis because they are typically out of date. In the beginning people will update them regularly and then just stop. However after some time looking around I can say the SGS4G wiki is just the opposite. Tons of info and for the most part easy to navigate. Which brings up another problem with wikis. The ability to navigate it easily and endless loops of redirects. Again the SGS4G doesnt appear to suffer from that.
Maybe instead of the sticky posts with thread links we could get a single thread with wiki links. That way info is updated and people are spending an hour navigating through search results within one thread. In my mind this makes sense just putting it in print is eluding me.
Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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vgcraze said:
Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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The fact it is personal and exposes peoples real identity is what makes it awesome. Most of the people here wouldnt act the way they did if they were made to use real name and such. Being anonymous has so many advantages and disadvantages.
Can I just point out that I started a thread with a guide to flashing and is intended to help the devs buffer the questions to that thread
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itzik2sh said:
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum?
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back on the actual topic, since it has once again been derailed by the self-appointed thread police....
Devs are not leaving us only for the reasons you stated. Some of that may be part of it, but it's not the sum total...
As for Facebook page... feel free to create one, and I wish you the best of luck.. as one of those 'weird' people who doesn't use Facebook, i won't be coming to visit it...