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Specifically, the judge found that HTC infringes patents 5,946,647 and 6,343,263. The first relates to receiving information that can then be used by a single interaction from the user, e.g. receiving a phone number, automatically highlighting it, and tapping the screen to call. The second relates to the processing of real-time data on a handset.
The issue this causes is much bigger than just impacting sales of HTC device as the patents relate to Android, not just HTC hardware. If the ruling stands, then Apple could quite rightly go after every manufacturer that uses Android, be it a smartphone or a tablet, and demand their device be banned from sale in the U.S. In effect, Apple would stop Android in its tracks and remove its biggest competitor from the field of play.
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http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...ould-see-all-android-devices-banned-20110716/
great, american consumers will be stuck with smuggled android devices.
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Will Apple get the ban hammer someday?
Apple has lost the race to android so now they are suing every android maker
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cdesai said:
Apple has lost the race to android so now they are suing every android maker
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Precisely. It's funny that they have the nerve to do this, when many "new" features of iOS5 are clear rip-offs of Android features.
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Ginosaji said:
Most of these patents are a blatant exploit of the system. I wouldn't be surprised if most, if not all of them are thrown out.
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Indeed these patents have only a few years left in them, yet for the first one loads of phones and computer programs have incorporated text recognition and processing, yet I don't recall Apple getting uppety about it.
technology will be slow if all patent not colaborate
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technology will be slow if all patent not colaborate
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Only in America, for Americans. The rest of the world doesn't have this problem with idiot patents grabbing "ownership" of massively vague concepts. It's not really a problem for the rest of us, America is just a small corner of the worldwide market.
great,,,,,,,,,...
MAD I tell you!
If Apple were to get Android banned, I would imagine Google will fight back by removing all their apps from iOS.
There goes Google maps, youtube, and gmail.
We would live in the smartphone dark ages.
bleach168 said:
MAD I tell you!
If Apple were to get Android banned, I would imagine Google will fight back by removing all their apps from iOS.
There goes Google maps, youtube, and gmail.
We would live in the smartphone dark ages.
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I don't see that happening. If anything, Apple will license their products to Google for a fee or Google will pay royalties. That is if anything comes of it.
Apple is pushing too hard.
These are normal things, which everyone uses, has used and will use. All droid companies gotta do is bring up a small update for the call thing and then smear it in apple's face, idk about second one though.
This is no way near to banning androids all over usa, indeed apple just changes a few things, while using android stuff.
They have been holding out on new iphone, probably cause of this patent thing.
Android made it through the multi touch patent, this should be a piece of cake.
hateem said:
Apple is pushing too hard.
These are normal things, which everyone uses, has used and will use. All droid companies gotta do is bring up a small update for the call thing and then smear it in apple's face, idk about second one though.
This is no way near to banning androids all over usa, indeed apple just changes a few things, while using android stuff.
They have been holding out on new iphone, probably cause of this patent thing.
Android made it through the multi touch patent, this should be a piece of cake.
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There hasn't been anything done by Apple on the multi-touch capacitive mobile display tech yet. Apple was just awarded the patent last month. In all likelihood Apple will wait to see what happens with all of its current litigation before determining what to do with its nuclear bomb.
Apple will never be able to put a finger on with the current models. Probably a royalty.
I was under the misinformation that apple got the patent a year ago.
'Apple was just awarded the patent last month.'
I am sure there is a law that stops patented technology from going forward against the technology which is present at that time
Actually doesn't iOS already steal Android's notification system? Hahahaha...
popular products never actually get banned from sale. What actually happens is that the parties agree to a match of chess after they get bored of the court, and the lower pays the winner a random amount of money.
hateem said:
Apple will never be able to put a finger on with the current models. Probably a royalty.
I was under the misinformation that apple got the patent a year ago.
I am sure there is a law that stops patented technology from going forward against the technology which is present at that time
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Apple applied for the patent around the time the first iPhone came out, about 3 years ago. The government just now found time to award it to them. I guess it took the government 3 years to study its validity.
I think Apple just wants some money - royalties - from HTC (or Samsung... or any other manufacturer).
There would be a big backlash against Apple if they were able to ban any android devices from the United States.
It's all about the money.
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Only in America, for Americans. The rest of the world doesn't have this problem with idiot patents grabbing "ownership" of massively vague concepts. It's not really a problem for the rest of us, America is just a small corner of the worldwide market.
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That's why I love my dear Brazil... ahh soooo great! haha
Hopefully this goes through...
http://tinyurl.com/7a637q5
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I hope so...
I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.
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I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.
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I think they're the core of the patent war.....they seem to be always at war and stuff :/
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I think this is also a part of their marketing strategy. Consumer will become more curious so if they buy an apple brand maybe they will buy a samsung brand to compare by themselves whos better..As part of marketing, a profit for them both...But thats true theres a lot of choices and maybe much better than them definitely, but maybe thats why they doing an exposure to sell their products.
My 74 yo mother in law went to Big Red and asked if she should get an Android or an iPhone. they said the iPhone was less technical and she would be able to the simpler device much easier. So I guess if you are an old woman you should use the iPhone.
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I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.
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"Almunia was careful to point out that this is hardly the only example of a potential abuse of intellectual property rights to distort the market, but with more than 20 cases in 10 countries it's certainly one of the largest and most high profile."
seems a bit odd that apple singles out samsung, not that they do persay... but it gets in media lol
Since a lot of the infringments seem to be from the software side which leads to google :S seems like apple doesn't want to tie up as much cash going after google than if it went after Samsung. Since samsung is a "safe" hit seeing as how apple is one of it's biggest hardware buyers so they can't go after apple too much, if apple doesn't sell well, then samsung loses out on a buyer as well.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/22/apple-and-samsungs-patent-battle-draws-concern-from-eu-competit/
Maybe under threat of such hefty fines, the two competitors will put aside their differences and actually compete... you know, in the marketplace instead of in the court room.
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I LOLed hard when i read that
which is so true that it's actually sad i'll rather see that energy and wasted money channelled into more R&D for better products
If the commission chooses to pursue legal action both Samsung and Apple could be fined up to 10 percent of their annual revenue.
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Awch... That's painful. 10% of annual revenue
But I doubt it'll stop both of their war. Might "change battleground" to somewhere else, other than patent. Just be ready ...
Heard Apple will tore down all Google Services. Hope that doesn't actually bites Apple back ...
Killing this planet's most reliable, unique profit taking company out of your company, might actually leads towards "your own" extinction.
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My 74 yo mother in law went to Big Red and asked if she should get an Android or an iPhone. they said the iPhone was less technical and she would be able to the simpler device much easier. So I guess if you are an old woman you should use the iPhone.
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excellent). more likely all of these disputes over money
There's a chance
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They really have done well out of Android's success.
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Pantech will likely sign a royalty agreement with Microsoft that will involve paying $5 per Android device sold, a fee that other Android OEMs have been rumored to pay.
Microsoft is now collecting fees from nearly 70 percent of Android device makers.
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That's because their own OS fails. I want to know what Micro$oft software over 70% of android devices are using that require royalties. Unless microsoft just kind of walked up like a 5th grader standing angrily over the kindergarten kid playing in the sandbox demanding lunch money, which seems to be the case.
Microsoft at this point make a lot more off of Android then they do from Windows Phone. All of that licensing money goes right back into feeding the current sink hole that is Windows Phone. Microsoft can do that though, they hemorrhaged for years on the Original Xbox
i am really curious to see what patents they are using that every Android OEM is so scared to challenge. (Accept Motorola who damn near invented the cell phone)
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Microsoft at this point make a lot more off of Android then they do from Windows Phone. All of that licensing money goes right back into feeding the current sink hole that is Windows Phone. Microsoft can do that though, they hemorrhaged for years on the Original Xbox
i am really curious to see what patents they are using that every Android OEM is so scared to challenge. (Accept Motorola who damn near invented the cell phone)
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Would you prefer we sue you and get your OS banned in tons of countries.
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Would you prefer we sue you and get your OS banned in tons of countries.
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i never said their was anything wrong with what they were doing, i prefer this approach to the Ban everything approach Apple is trying. I just stated a fact that Microsoft makes more from Android then Windows Phone and i asked what patents their were using.
I apologize, should've quoted jesushaxyou, hit the wrong button.
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That's because their own OS fails. I want to know what Micro$oft software over 70% of android devices are using that require royalties. Unless microsoft just kind of walked up like a 5th grader standing angrily over the kindergarten kid playing in the sandbox demanding lunch money, which seems to be the case.
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Have you ever used the OS? Sure it lacks the apps in comparison, but it is as good and better in some aspects in comparison to others, in terms of functionality.
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Would you prefer we sue you and get your OS banned in tons of countries.
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If ms had that much of a case they would sue google rather than go for device makers using googles os.
Just noticed when mentioning ms you say "we"...do you work for ms or was that a royal we said more as a wp7 fan?
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i am really curious to see what patents they are using that every Android OEM is so scared to challenge.
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It's actually not about specific patents. Microsoft is following IBM's playbook from the 1980s, which goes like this:
In the 1980s, attorney Gary Reback was working at Sun Microsystems, then a young technology startup. A pack of IBM employees in blue suits showed up at Sun headquarters seeking royalties for 7 patents that IBM claimed Sun had infringed. The Sun employees, having examined the patents, patiently explained that six of the seven patents were likely invalid, and Sun clearly hadn’t infringed the seventh. Reback explains what happened next in this classic Forbes article:
An awkward silence ensued. The blue suits did not even confer among themselves. They just sat there, stonelike. Finally, the chief suit responded. "OK," he said, "maybe you don't infringe these seven patents. But we have 10,000 U.S. patents. Do you really want us to go back to Armonk [IBM headquarters in New York] and find seven patents you do infringe? Or do you want to make this easy and just pay us $20 million?
After a modest bit of negotiation, Sun cut IBM a check, and the blue suits went to the next company on their hit list.
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Most of the patents are trivial nonsense (no one will convince me that "method to update the phonebook" is a brilliant invention worthy of a patent). But fighting even those costs a lot of money. Possibly more than simply paying the extortion fee. So Microsoft gets away with it.
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Would you prefer we sue you and get your OS banned in tons of countries.
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"We"? Have you finally outed yourself as a Microsoft employee, as a paid shill of theirs?
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Microsoft at this point make a lot more off of Android then they do from Windows Phone. All of that licensing money goes right back into feeding the current sink hole that is Windows Phone. Microsoft can do that though, they hemorrhaged for years on the Original Xbox
i am really curious to see what patents they are using that every Android OEM is so scared to challenge. (Accept Motorola who damn near invented the cell phone)
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They certainly make as much.
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Microsoft makes almost as much money licensing patents to HTC, Samsung and other companies as it does selling Windows Phone 7 devices.
Yes, you read that right, Microsoft makes almost as much from Android sales as they do through sales of their own Windows Phone devices. That’s more than Google makes from the Android, which the company gives away to manufacturers. It is worth noting that Android users generate ad revenue for Google, which could add up to $1.3 billion in 2012.
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Have you ever used the OS? Sure it lacks the apps in comparison, but it is as good and better in some aspects in comparison to others, in terms of functionality.
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No, I've never used it. I'm just giving my opinion about something I've never used because of how I think it would run. -_-
It lacks in just about everything that's important to me in a mobile OS. I think the actual UI is kinda crappy, but other than that it does run smoothly. Just not for me.
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No, I've never used it. I'm just giving my opinion about something I've never used because of how I think it would run. -_-
It lacks in just about everything that's important to me in a mobile OS. I think the actual UI is kinda crappy, but other than that it does run smoothly. Just not for me.
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Well I can only push you to try the OS, then have a complete opinion.
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If ms had that much of a case they would sue google rather than go for device makers using googles os.
Just noticed when mentioning ms you say "we"...do you work for ms or was that a royal we said more as a wp7 fan?
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Perhaps you don't know how, "open source." works.
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Well I can only push you to try the OS, then have a complete opinion.
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You mistook my trolling sarcasm in the beginning of that hahaha. What I actually meant was yes, I have tried it. It's not my cup of tea.
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Perhaps you don't know how, "open source." works.
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Thats pretty funny considering I had to explain it to you 2 weeks ago when you were talking about Google getting sued.
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Thats pretty funny considering I had to explain it to you 2 weeks ago when you were talking about Google getting sued.
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No, you felt the need to explain it to feign a valid point because I said android could be sued out of existence were it not for microsoft's dependence on the same OEMs. This is the same reason I thought they should go strictly Nokia, most of the other OEMs have sad, unfunny jokes for windows phones in comparison.
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No, you felt the need to explain it to feign a valid point because I said android could be sued out of existence were it not for microsoft's dependence on the same OEMs. This is the same reason I thought they should go strictly Nokia, most of the other OEMs have sad, unfunny jokes for windows phones in comparison.
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Going striclty Nokia would be a mistake. Americans will not allow Nokia to be popular again.
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Going striclty Nokia would be a mistake. Americans will not allow Nokia to be popular again.
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Unless the phones chirp. Then it would be acceptable.
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Going striclty Nokia would be a mistake. Americans will not allow Nokia to be popular again.
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We'll see with the lumia 900. I have faith. It's not like most know the difference between one OEM or another.
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We'll see with the lumia 900. I have faith. It's not like most know the difference between one OEM or another.
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You're basically saying that just because one company has a good year with hand sets that they should be the only one to EVER make a device under that OS.
So, Samsung should be the only android device because they were (arguably) the most popular OEM in 2011?
Maybe no one can really tell the difference between the OEM's on the windows side because it's all the same ****. No one is allowed to make it any differently. With Android phones each OEM has a very distinct way to make the device function.
The lumia 900 is probably going to be a good phone. But then again I guess it's about time.
Now this is interesting for a change
Motorola makes Apple pull iPads and iPhones in Germany
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16871075
Apple has pulled several iPad and iPhone models from its German online store after Motorola Mobility enforced a patent injunction against its rival.
The move follows a December ruling that Apple had failed to license one of Motorola's wireless intellectual properties
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In the end it is only the consumers that lose...so sad.
Can we stop making google sound like a white knight in the patent case now?
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Now this is interesting for a change
Motorola makes Apple pull iPads and iPhones in Germany
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16871075
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It would be except that apple were reallowed to sell them there within hours of the ruling. They never seem to lose even when they do legally lose.
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Apple actually lost a lawsuit? Wow ahahah
SupremeRadicals said:
Apple actually lost a lawsuit? Wow ahahah
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That's what I was thinking! Its a start!
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z33dev33l said:
Can we stop making google sound like a white knight in the patent case now?
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Can we stop being a flame-baiting troll humper now?
This is a motorola case. Not a google case.
Well looks like android (through moto) got revenge for what apple did last year (Galaxy Tab)
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Can we stop being a flame-baiting troll humper now?
This is a motorola case. Not a google case.
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Fwiw google have to agree to every court case motorola opens so it does actually involve google as they gave the go ahead.
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In the end it is only the consumers that lose...so sad.
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So true
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Fwiw google have to agree to every court case motorola opens so it does actually involve google as they gave the go ahead.
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Umm, not really. The purchase has not been approved yet (although it is expected to be). So Google actually has no say in the actions of Motorola at this point in time.
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Umm, not really. The purchase has not been approved yet (although it is expected to be). So Google actually has no say in the actions of Motorola at this point in time.
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Yes they do. As part of the in process acquisition by google motorola signed an agreement not to commit to any legal action without googles say so. It's been quoted from on xda and can be found online. I think it was on the patents blog by florrian mueller that I first read it though.
EDIT: http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/01/google-authorized-motorola-to-seek.html quotes said agreement.
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Great moto revenge for what applesauce did last year!
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Can we stop making google sound like a white knight in the patent case now?
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Google and it's partners have only filed retaliatory suits against Apple.
Apple is simply getting exactly what it deserves. If they behaved themselves in the first place this would not have happened
its about time somebody kicked apples as* !
rajalm29 said:
its about time somebody kicked apples as* !
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Doesn't this sound ironic?Kicking a fruit's ass?
Anyway,good one,finally.No,Google is no company of saints and non-sinners,but compared to Apple,all others are angels at worst.Yeah,healthy competition is one thing.Patenting something that DOES belong to you is ok too.But patenting the whole ****ing planet because it actually looks like a fruit in shape is outrageous.
To be clear,I am downright against this whole patent thing.It has to stop at some point.It's not like anyone,except for Microsoft at some point,has had any profit from this bull****.Multi-billion companies acting like little girls fighting over who got a pair of shoes first is ridiculous...
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Multi-billion companies acting like little girls fighting over who got a pair of shoes first is ridiculous...
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that's indeed exactly what it looks like currently with this flawed patent system
The system is capable. It's the legal teams that are at fault.
Apple is so anti-competitive, it's great to see them get a little payback.
At least motorola is willing to license it's patents. Apple just bans infringing products.
http://technofierce.com/2012/01/24/...ck-screen-in-samsung-galaxy-nexus/news/001926
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And yet another reason to prove apple is gay aswell as its users. They cant handle a phone thats better then theirs.
I dont know why anyone gave them the right to patent a motion. Are they going to patent high fives next?
and apparently they patented rounded edges in Australia.
Seems ppl were jumping to conclusions again.... more so the s2. Series is the target
http://m.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus-unlock-screen-not-targeted-apple-lawsuit-after-all
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I dont know why anyone gave them the right to patent a motion. Are they going to patent high fives next?
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http://www.google.com/patents/US5356330
jim93 said:
I dont know why anyone gave them the right to patent a motion. Are they going to patent high fives next?
and apparently they patented rounded edges in Australia.
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http://www.google.com/patents/US5356330
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...pwned.
It's not uncommon for Apple to target Samsung, Motorola...or Android for that matter. Whether or not Apple actually has a case is above me, but it's apparent both of these OS use or "borrow" features from the other...a self-made "improved" version of the former.
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...pwned.
It's not uncommon for Apple to target Samsung, Motorola...or Android for that matter. Whether or not Apple actually has a case is above me, but it's apparent both of these OS use or "borrow" features from the other...a self-made "improved" version of the former.
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i assume google wasn't smart enough to patent stuff that apple borrowed?
jessejames111981 said:
i assume google wasn't smart enough to patent stuff that apple borrowed?
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I can't stand this patent stuff
I understand companies waiting to protect intellectual property
But apple and other companies are going to far.
I think only their devices and distinct styles should be patented
That's it...
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Sounds like Apple is really grasping for straws at this point.
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Sounds like Apple is really grasping for straws at this point.
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how so? iOS still accounts for a signifigant (even if it isn't majority) & of smartphones. Apple owns that entire portion of the pie where as the android portion is shared by a handful of companies. Plus they got a name. As long as they put out a half decent product, it will sell.
can't these guys just drop all the lawsuits and actually improve their os/ui? seriously.. most of the time they just sue each other instead of improving things -.-
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how so? iOS still accounts for a signifigant (even if it isn't majority) & of smartphones. Apple owns that entire portion of the pie where as the android portion is shared by a handful of companies. Plus they got a name. As long as they put out a half decent product, it will sell.
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Your logic is flawed. He didn't say that they were doing poorly, he simply said they are going for anything and everything they can. Maybe they want to own more of the market, maybe they are afraid of android getting ahead... Just because iOS is doing well doesn't mean they aren't getting defensive lately.
Another one of the many reasons why I refuse to buy any apple products.
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What i dont fet is why in hell can companies like Apple keep wasting so much money on lawauits instead of investing in innovationwhich theyve lost a few years back
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What i dont fet is why in hell can companies like Apple keep wasting so much money on lawauits instead of investing in innovationwhich theyve lost a few years back
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the OG iPhone spawned a growth spurt in transforming PDAs to our modern smartphone. We are currently in a spot where noone is doing anything innovative so I guess this is their way of passing time
Apple needs to go #UCK themselves with all their frivolous lawsuits.
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Another one of the many reasons why I refuse to buy any apple products.
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I think about it the same way!
This is the only thing that left for Apple to do since they enjoy taking everyone and their brothers to court
BREAKING NEWS: Apple Computer, Inc. has filed a copyright infingement suit against God for creating a fruit based off their logo.
soomuch said:
BREAKING NEWS: Apple Computer, Inc. has filed a copyright infingement suit against God for creating a fruit based off their logo.
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nice.
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clninja said:
Another one of the many reasons why I refuse to buy any apple products.
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I think about it the same way!
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Bah you guys must be new to the Anti Apple party .......... i've had a complete unilateral ban on all Apple products (except quicktime...*sigh*) since about 1990 !!!
What i find most perverse and ironic about Apple is that they ARE the Stalinist, monolithic, all seeing, all controlling, big brother, facelessly corporate, tech company the much famed old Apple advertisement painted every other tech company to be. And whats more they always where. Developing nation sweat shop worker conditions is only the tip of the iceberg where Apple are concerned ....... you can be sure Bono will never do another Apple advert ... lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhsWzJo2sN4
If you've never seen it.