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massive attack to ANDROID

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/go...e-attack-2011-04-22?link=MW_story_latest_news
massive attack to androd

u know the saying once ur on top everyone wants to knock u off.. But thanks for that great article.

Everybody suing everyone now days

movieaddict said:
u know the saying once ur on top everyone wants to knock u off.. But thanks for that great article.
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yeah man thats all about it

anthonys2r said:
Everybody suing everyone now days
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apple, those whores always tend to do that.... the the main suers ..**** apple

I hope no such thing as shutting down Android happens else Ima bomb the apple building
Android is waaaaaaay better than apple OS, sorry I like saying this again n again lol
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This is old news, regarding Oracle. That article would make you think Android is about to crumble, and that is not the case. At least he points out that re-writing the code, slightly, would make this go away.
Google has way too much power/$ to not fix this for Android, which has exceeded their expectations wildly.
In short, do not fret. Apple just being scared, as they should be.
Just like Jobs said recently via an email that Android is tracking people and that they do not.... ignoring all the articles about apple tracking people lately.
EDIT, haha, just noticed he said Symbian would likely benefit (which is dead).... sad considering how much Nokia stock I own (frown face)

The iphone makes up 50% of Apples revenue stream now so Android is a massive threat to their business. Totally idiotic for a company or that size to have most of their eggs in one basket if you ask me.
Personally i think competition is good and keeps the market honest, but all this patent trolling that's going on is just ludicrous. It's no better than kids fighting over marbles in the playground.

bosina said:
apple, those whores always tend to do that.... the the main suers ..**** apple
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This is not accurate.
All the big mobile companies sue each other in circles, it is not the fault of a single entity.

DirkGently1 said:
The iphone makes up 50% of Apples revenue stream now so Android is a massive threat to their business. Totally idiotic for a company or that size to have most of their eggs in one basket if you ask me.
Personally i think competition is good and keeps the market honest, but all this patent trolling that's going on is just ludicrous. It's no better than kids fighting over marbles in the playground.
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This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.

Apple has always been pretty sue-happy, moreso than other phone/computer manufacturers.
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its their way of trying to slow down growth of its competitors. like tripping your opponent in a 100 yard dash as hes about to pass you.

Erra said:
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
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Really? So more people buying Android smart phones and the market share slowly tilting to Android's favor is not a threat to the sales of the iPhone?
I guess Windows is not a threat to Apple since Microsoft doesn't make computers then, right?

I sue u
u sue me lol just keeps on going
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Erra said:
This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.
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Isn't the nexus a Google device?
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i would like to add 1 small piece to this although apple are a hardwar/software vendor it does contract out to people like samsung , so this apple google is also apple samsung writ , android and samsung together is a bigger threat to apple and apple think by sueing (as most companys do and would do in the same situation) both samsung and google may slow them down or as is most likely with the release of all the new smartphones ie galaxy s 2 and new nexus phones will generate a feelling within buyers that apple sell a better product because others are copying , this is not a serious attempt to stop android but with the timing so close to may first release date for sgs2 is more of a marketing exercise , for instance when google lost a case recently they had to pay 5 million $ where as if they had payed for the licence out right may have cost them 50 million $ dont take these figures to seriously but you get the idea this is the way business works and will carry on working as has been said before apple will still buy from samsung google will still develop android licences will be paid for in one form or another and someone will use somebody elses idea to improve their own and tommorrow will be another day

Thank you for the information.

Erra said:
This also is not really accurate.
How can you compare a hardware/software vendor to a software vendor?
When google is able to claim it makes the hardware its software runs on, then you can start saying Android is a "threat" to apple.
Google and Apple are entirely different beasts. Apple makes money when it sells its hardware, it includes the software "free" with its devices and it has always done this with any of its products.
Google makes software for multiple vendors, and makes zero hardware.
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shinkinrui said:
Really? So more people buying Android smart phones and the market share slowly tilting to Android's favor is not a threat to the sales of the iPhone?
I guess Windows is not a threat to Apple since Microsoft doesn't make computers then, right?
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Erra completely misses the point but shinkinrui saves the day by pointing that out for me. Nothing more to say really.

psiops said:
...but you get the idea this is the way business works and will carry on working...and someone will use somebody elses idea to improve their own and tomorrow will be another day
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Well put!
(5 to go)

manemzjum said:
Isn't the nexus a Google device?
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Sort of, it's powered by google as all android phones are, but it isn't MADE by google, it is made by HTC, and the Nexus S is made by Samsung. Google works with the companies closely for these phones, but the phones themselves are not manufactured by google, and I'd be willing to bet google doesn't design the phones and pic the internal components to them either so much, they probably have some influence, but I'd be surprised if they had complete control when it is the manufacturer who stands to make or lose money on the phone based on sales.

microsoft is flexing some muscle to cripple the competition!

We all know Microsoft is on a roll to make patent licensing agreements with Android OEMs. Since last week, Microsoft have announced 4 such deals without disclosing the amount of royalty involved. Today Reuters that Microsoft is demanding about $15 per Android device from Samsung, one of the largest android OEM in the world. Microsoft is also ready to lower the royalty amount if Samsung agrees with some deeper alliance related to Windows Phone smartphone making. Microsoft signed similar deal with HTC last year, Will Samsung also join the fray soon? I hope Samsung agrees with Microsoft on the later deal of less royalty amount for Android devices and more Windows Phone smartphones. Also analysts predict Samsung to ship about 19 million smartphones this quarter, if the deal is done Microsoft will get about $1 Billion IP licensing revenue from Samsung alone in a year...
Now that is a beautiful puzzle, they've already released the most user friendly and in my opinion best is on the market and now they're putting a squeeze on the big name android OEMs to eliminate some of the competition. I love this, now just throw in some good marketing and well have the trifecta of a perfect operating system.

Leave it to Microsoft to try to take over! Company wars are so much more exciting than politics lol. Can't wait to see how this race produces!

Eh, they want their piece of the pie and if someone was using my tech to make money I would too.

They'll just weigh up the balance between paying a small amount to make a phone that will actually sell running a decent OS, or the costs of developing the minimum number of WP7 handsets to sit unsold in a warehouse while paying a smaller amount to make a phone that will actually sell running a decent OS.
It's a bit like supermarkets and loss leaders, will the loss on WP7 be less than the gain on paying not quite as much to make Android handsets that actually sell.

z33dev33l said:
Eh, they want their piece of the pie and if someone was using my tech to make money I would too.
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What tech did MS actually contribute to Android? Or better asked: What unique tech worthy of a patent did MS come up with? Most of these patents fall into the category where every even remotely seasoned developer can come up with the stuff. Of course we can't know for sure, because MS never actually discloses which patents are involved here. Because they know full well it wouldn't stand up to public scrutiny.
And that's assuming software patents make sense in the first place. Which they don't.

They really don't but hey, I don't make those rules. It doesn't matter who can make it now, it's who created it first.
xaccers, you're fighting a losing battle, I'm just going to sit idly by and watch my OS actually improve rather than pallet swap, man I love being lag free.

z33dev33l said:
They really don't but hey, I don't make those rules.
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So you just accept the rules, no matter what they are. The abuse of the legal system (attack smaller firms who don't have the resources to fight first in order to create a precedent), the mafia-style protection racket (pay up or else), the obviousness of the patents, the very ridiculousness of even having software patents, all that is ok. Because the rules are the rules, right?
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man I love being lag free.
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So do I dude, so do I. Though I must say, that is some very, very narrow criteria for choosing an entire operating system.

Gusar321 said:
So you just accept the rules, no matter what they are. The abuse of the legal system (attack smaller firms who don't have the resources to fight first in order to create a precedent), the mafia-style protection racket, the obviousness of the patents, the very ridiculousness of even having software patents, all that is ok. Because the rules are the rules, right?
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In cases where I think the rules are not too far fetched. I mean hell, if they did it first they have a right. As far as google not having the resources that's their own fault, iOS just did it first because they run their company with force rather than being laid back and just stealing info
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So do I dude, so do I. Though I must say, that is some very, very narrow criteria for choosing an entire operating system.
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Not at all but it certainly helps, I like having a phone that does everything I want without having to install any apps at all and without having to flash a new rom every 2-3 days. I love xbox live, I love a well implemented office, I love the keyboard, I love that the DVP despite it's weak processor is the most impressive piece of hardware out there for mobile devices, I like the hubs, I like zune, there's just nothing wrong with all of it. It is not flawless, but it's as close as a mobile OS comes.

z33dev33l said:
In cases where I think the rules are not too far fetched.
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You can't honestly believe that they aren't far fetched in this case.
Do you know why patents were created for? And what they're used for in reality nowadays? And in particular the nature of software patents? If you really believe what you just wrote, the clear answer to those questions is "no".
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if they did it first they have a right
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But what exactly is it that they did first? It's like I said, trivial things that any seasoned developer can come up with. Being the first to wrap it up in tons of legalese to be granted a patent on it is not an admirable achievement. Patents only make sense for things that are unique, where it took a lot of effort to come up with something new.
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As far as google not having the resources that's their own fault
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That's just the thing, MS *didn't* attack Google. They attacked small companies releasing Android products. HTC was the biggest and now Samsung is even bigger. But they're taking on Samsung only after the precedent was set with the smaller companies. That's abuse of the legal system.
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Not at all but it certainly helps, I like having a phone that does everything I want without having to install any apps at all and without having to flash a new rom every 2-3 days.
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Wow, hyperbole much? I have all that on Android. And I'm not flashing every two days. That I choose to replace some apps with other ones was just that - my choice. Choice is good. It means competition. It means people vying to create the best music player, the best video player, the best... well, you get the picture.
And what do you know, I have the lag-free interface too.

I guess if your product can't compete on its own merits, this is one way to go about it.

GnatGoSplat said:
I guess if your product can't compete on its own merits, this is one way to go about it.
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If more of the community was more intelligent then Microsoft would have no issues, sadly it's not the case. No one does their research or looks into a phone before buying it. The majority of sales reps have never even used a windows phone 7 thanks to the plague that was winmo.

z33dev33l said:
If more of the community was more intelligent then Microsoft would have no issues, sadly it's not the case. No one does their research or looks into a phone before buying it. The majority of sales reps have never even used a windows phone 7 thanks to the plague that was winmo.
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I know a lot of WP7 enthusiasts and blogs like to blame the sales reps, but I don't think sales reps are solely responsible for the 36% market gap.
I do have an HTC Surround I've been playing with, and you're right, it has no lag, but I honestly haven't seen anything that would make me choose it over iOS or Android. Probably the only thing I would miss is the cool XBox Live avatar guy I made.

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I know a lot of WP7 enthusiasts and blogs like to blame the sales reps, but I don't think sales reps are solely responsible for the 36% market gap.
I do have an HTC Surround I've been playing with, and you're right, it has no lag, but I honestly haven't seen anything that would make me choose it over iOS or Android. Probably the only thing I would miss is the cool XBox Live avatar guy I made.
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I guess it's to each their own. I like functionality, a smooth UI, and hardware selection. The office and xbox programs on mango are great, overall I think the only reason I ever enjoyed android was because I got to spend so much time screwing around.

z33dev33l said:
I guess it's to each their own. I like functionality, a smooth UI, and hardware selection. The office and xbox programs on mango are great, overall I think the only reason I ever enjoyed android was because I got to spend so much time screwing around.
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Don't underestimate how much people like to screw around. I think that's the whole reason XDA exists in the first place.

A lot of people are surprised Microsoft is doing this, but truth be told this is nothing new. Intel licenses out their instruction sets such as sse2, sse3, 3D Now! to Amd, nvidia, and Via. Companies do this all the time.

I wanted to like Microsoft, because hey, that's where all my stuff is (I'm an MS developer by trade as well). BUT, they fell short. Waaay short. Navigation, Voice commands, multitasking, the list was endless.
I have a few XBoxes and almost everything in my house is Windows based, but the phone won't sell me until I can firmly say: "I miss nothing on Android that I use every day."

Microsoft vs. Google

MS says Google's Motorola division violates its patents. Looks like MS is angry they didn't get to corner Google in that Nortel deal and is doing an Apple.
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...la-s-android-phones-infringe-its-patents.html

MartyLK said:
MS says Google's Motorola division
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That sale went through quick.

I'm sick of lawsuits...

We seriously need some patent reform...
"Microsoft, with less than 2 percent of the market, is counting on an agreement with Espoo, Finland-based Nokia Oyj (NOK) to put Windows Mobile on its phones to increase market share."
Goodbye SymbianOS?

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We seriously need some patent reform...
"Microsoft, with less than 2 percent of the market, is counting on an agreement with Espoo, Finland-based Nokia Oyj (NOK) to put Windows Mobile on its phones to increase market share."
Goodbye SymbianOS?
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old news, go Microsoft. Its about time we have a good OS to sale phones rather than "oh the HTC herpderp has a dual core processor and so much ram." doesn't matter if the OS isn't optimized.

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old news, go Microsoft. Its about time we have a good OS to sale phones rather than "oh the HTC herpderp has a dual core processor and so much ram." doesn't matter if the OS isn't optimized.
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Cool story bro.
Smart move by MS with the tiles and such, must've saved a lot of money to hire some first graders to design the home screen!

slapshot30 said:
Cool story bro.
Smart move by MS with the tiles and such, must've saved a lot of money to hire some first graders to design the home screen!
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Pwnage of epic proportions!

Petty remark made by someone who never has anything to offer? Shocking.
It must have saved google a ton of money to take bunch of code and programs that are already out there, compile it, and treat it as though it's something new and amazing.
Its nice to have an OS that's nice, smooth, and built from the ground up for my device.

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Petty remark made by someone who never has anything to offer? Shocking.
It must have saved google a ton of money to take bunch of code and programs that are already out there, compile it, and treat it as though it's something new and amazing.
Its nice to have an OS that's nice, smooth, and built from the ground up for my device.
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Lol your fanboism is actually comical. Carry on, I like to laugh.

z33dev33l said:
Petty remark made by someone who never has anything to offer? Shocking.
It must have saved google a ton of money to take bunch of code and programs that are already out there, compile it, and turn it into something new and amazing.
Its nice to have an OS that's nice, smooth, and built from the ground up for my device.
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Fixed it for accuracy
The stupid thing is, MS could have been market leader 5 years ago if they only took their mobile operations seriously. They never have and I doubt they ever will. They just needed a decent interface, a deal with a book wholesaler to supply their reader, a deal with a music reseller and an app store so they could have bought handango. To bad instead they chose to take a giant leap backwards.

In all fairness, when Microsoft actually recovers from that 2‰, Android will already be in a new generation. Motorola is but a fraction of the massive companies that are backing Android and they all are contributing constantly to better innovations for the OS.
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I think MS have to stock up there device pallet , the devices are cheap ( thats why i bought them ) but today a mobile phone became a status sign( Iphone ), so MS have too make there devices ,,cool,, , means they have too send some phons for free to ABC VIPS ( Iphone ) and the the problem is solved . But i hope the price will stay cheap as in the moment ^^ but with a market who google has to defend android phones get maybe cheaper too , cool for android and wp users ^^. Before the Iphone everybody look where i get the most features for the best price but today sm changed and i dont know what ^^ some answers plz

Software patents are the biggest load of **** I've seen in a long time. If you learn how to write, for example, a search algorithm in college and then use it in a commercial app, too bad if the guy sitting next to you in class has been granted the patent for it. Doubly bad if you invented it and weren't smart enough to get to the patent office before them.
Seriously Apple own patents for such inane **** as "method for interacting with a portable device via touchscreen" and "power management of portable devices". So watch out if you produce a touchscreen phone with power management. If you put any code in there which acts similar to Apples they will sue you sooner or later.
It's about as stupid as allowing Ford to take out a patent on having four wheels on a car.
I'm also pretty sure the Judges who hear these cases know so much about programming they can make informed judgements of these cases ... not. It's all about which legal team can spin the must bull**** to befuddle the courts.
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z33dev33l said:
Petty remark made by someone who never has anything to offer? Shocking.
It must have saved google a ton of money to take bunch of code and programs that are already out there, compile it, and treat it as though it's something new and amazing.
Its nice to have an OS that's boring, bleak, and has no apps.
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I don't follow you... I like customizing my electronics and personalizing them. But if the whole one size fits all thing works for you, then great! (You're in the minority on that one)

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I don't follow you... I like customizing my electronics and personalizing them. But if the whole one size fits all thing works for you, then great! (You're in the minority on that one)
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28 percent of iPhone users have still not added even a wallpaper to their phones, over 90 percent of android users are still running the stock rom and im sure if the study was done you'd find that a large portion of them haven't done much more than add some icons to the homescreen and perhaps toss up a wallpaper. People as a whole by android because they're the free phones you get at most carriers. Your choices are either a feature phone, blackberry, or one of the 30 android devices they have up (or perhaps the one or 2 wp7 devices that they have there but most in-store carriers are still running those at 99 with a 2 year contract.) iPhones are a status symbol. I'll never understand how a phone who's only redeeming quality is pixel density and a junk filled app market (how many tap the trigger to fire a gun games do you need?) got that way but hey, apple is good at marketing. Microsoft wanted to build an OS that sells phones, not the other way around. They hit the nail on the head, unfortunately my toothbrush is more intelligent than the average consumer so well continue to see blind, stupid purchases until Microsoft either gets a marketing team that's not largely run by chimps or they saturate the hell out of the market like android has.

I'll agree about the average consumer in the USA being an idiot. It's clear that not many actually research a product before buying (especially like a phone that will be used every single day for around two years). Beats and Apple are perfect examples. But I just don't see MS ever catching up. Look at all the brands that make Android phones and how many varieties are out there. You're right, so that is why Android sells more because of vast selection. The selection on Android phones will continue to grow. The iPhone's popularity will inevitably grow. I just don't see any room for MS in the mobile market... Especially with the lack of marketing put forth as oppose to Apple and Android. Hell, maybe someone will see a commercial with the WP7 tiles and say "Hey, that looks cool, I want to check it out". But that won't happen, because they never see those commercials. I agree with what someone said before, MS just doesn't seem to put enough effort forth, just like before with Windows Mobile.

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Microsoft wanted to build an OS that sells phones, not the other way around.
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Wish they had.
There were some adverts for WP7 over here but they didn't last long, they may have been pulled by the ASA due to the false claims they made or due to lack of interest.
MS have even resorted to using the US version of their "We turned your front room into a W7 shop" rather than the short lived UK version.
The I'm a PC campaign (not the "and Windows 7 was my idea" ones) was really good, it didn't derride other computer systems like the awful mac/pc ones, so their marketting team can get things right, they just need a decent product to work with though and WP7 just isn't inspiring. Of all the smartphone users I know only 2 have WP7 devices. Over here handsets are often free, even the iphone so price doesn't really come into it.

z33dev33l said:
Petty remark made by someone who never has anything to offer? Shocking.
It must have saved google a ton of money to take bunch of code and programs that are already out there, compile it, and treat it as though it's something new and amazing.
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They haven't though, have they?
Motorola already had patents saved away for whatever reasons, probably saw this coming and it was an entrepeneurial decision to hold company value later. Al Google did was take info from a dying company and carry it on. Let's face it, If Google let Apple get hold of such info it would privatised and charged for, for many years.
Android is the only way forwards, Nokia were the biggest phone manufacturer say 10 years ago and now they're a distant memory. Apple were only successful because of compatibility within their network of products... people pay for convenience. Once other manufacturers adopt this policy then Apple has no advantage. I know Apple have a patent for technology where hovering your finger above the screen is sensed by the device and selects whatever 'tile' your finger is above. There's no call for it right now but in a few years? If Apple go bust in that time (I know, VERY unlikely) then it's this type of stuff they sell to stay afloat. What if MS bought such info? MS fanboi's wouldn't grumble

Microsoft will be an irrelevant company over the course of the next 10 years.

Steve.X10 said:
They haven't though, have they?
Motorola already had patents saved away for whatever reasons, probably saw this coming and it was an entrepeneurial decision to hold company value later. Al Google did was take info from a dying company and carry it on. Let's face it, If Google let Apple get hold of such info it would privatised and charged for, for many years.
Android is the only way forwards, Nokia were the biggest phone manufacturer say 10 years ago and now they're a distant memory. Apple were only successful because of compatibility within their network of products... people pay for convenience. Once other manufacturers adopt this policy then Apple has no advantage. I know Apple have a patent for technology where hovering your finger above the screen is sensed by the device and selects whatever 'tile' your finger is above. There's no call for it right now but in a few years? If Apple go bust in that time (I know, VERY unlikely) then it's this type of stuff they sell to stay afloat. What if MS bought such info? MS fanboi's wouldn't grumble
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I'm sorry, you just defended android with the argument that people "pay for convenience." that alone is comical.
And that's exactly what google did...

Samsung and Microsoft settle Android licensing dispute

Samsung and Microsoft settle Android licensing dispute
why does it sounds like Microsoft is almost like begging for money here?
just because Android sales are waaaaaaay better than their windows phones
Samsung, htc, and Motorola have to pay back royalty fees to Microsoft for selling non Microsoft products?
what a load of crap
not much better than Apple playing a similar card with all those product bans
simply lame
they can't compete in tech innovation, so they'll use any means necessary to kill Android.... sad world we are in

What all has been happening these days!
Weird things!!!

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why does it sounds like Microsoft is almost like begging for money here?
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Not begging. Extorting. I mean, is it even about some specific patents? Because at least publicly, it totally looks like MS is doing this: "Nice phone you got there... would be a shame if something, you know, happened to it..."

that too
basically it almost as if they (HTC, Samsung, Motorola, Viewsonic, Acer) are not paying Microsoft, they are not able to sell Android phones.... WTH is that?
Android is open source, Google is not charging for it, yet Microsoft is extorting the manufactures for using Android instead of Windows????
if they produce also Windows phone they only pay $10 per phone, if they don't produce any window phone, then it goes up to $15 per phone!
it's like WTF is going on?!?!?!

AllGamer said:
they can't compete in tech innovation, so they'll use any means necessary to kill Android.... sad world we are in
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You could also look at it the other way - actually the way Samsung, HTC, and the legal system in several different developed countries sees it:
"Google couldn't compete with innovation - so they go steal something from Apple, something from MS, and make Android... bRRRRRRRRiliant."

The whole reason they're paying is because they themselves could not innovate. Windows phone is undoubtedly the most innovative OS on the market right now. The majority of people just either haven't tried it beyond screwing around at an ATT store for 2 minutes or because you can't customize much. The "people-centric" OS though is without a doubt the most innovative stand-alone OS.

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The whole reason they're paying is because they themselves could not innovate. Windows phone is undoubtedly the most innovative OS on the market right now. The majority of people just either haven't tried it beyond screwing around at an ATT store for 2 minutes or because you can't customize much. The "people-centric" OS though is without a doubt the most innovative stand-alone OS.
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Another useful post from the ultimate android troll...hates android so much and yet can't stay out of any thread that mentions it!

Not at all, just correcting his mistake. It's not a lack of innovation on Microsoft's part that's making oem's have to pay to use android. That's androids patent infringement. Therefore it's android's lack of innovation that's causing them to have to pay Microsoft. Then again, winmo 6.5 would've been just as good as android today had they had a decent app catalogue and more importantly an easier way to reach said apps.

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Not at all, just correcting his mistake. It's not a lack of innovation on Microsoft's part that's making oem's have to pay to use android. That's androids patent infringement. Therefore it's android's lack of innovation that's causing them to have to pay Microsoft. Then again, winmo 6.5 would've been just as good as android today had they had a decent app catalogue and more importantly an easier way to reach said apps.
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Exactly.
Its amazing how people think there must be a global conspiracy or something against Android. Its illegal activities that are costing the OS dearly.

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Therefore it's android's lack of innovation that's causing them to have to pay Microsoft.
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Ok, if you're "just correcting" other people, then I will correct you.
You're talking as if those patents are about some great innovations. But that is complete BS. Those patents are about generic totally obvious things, like "method to update the address book". And I'm not kidding with that, "method to update the address book" is one of the patents in the Microsoft vs. Motorola dispute.
Yeah, updating the address book is serious, serious innovation and Google is totally being the big bad non-innovator by daring to create an OS where you can update the address book. I mean, how dare they!!

z33dev33l said:
The whole reason they're paying is because they themselves could not innovate. Windows phone is undoubtedly the most innovative OS on the market right now. The majority of people just either haven't tried it beyond screwing around at an ATT store for 2 minutes or because you can't customize much. The "people-centric" OS though is without a doubt the most innovative stand-alone OS.
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Lol...
So if you cant innovate , u should pay royalties?
This way ford should have been more capital worthy then Exxon since they where first to build cars.
Even Einstein,built upon others idea and refined it.
God ppl need to be more broad minded.
Op just asked why is Microsoft seeking money from an OS which is not even related to them, and you throw random bull of your innovative crap
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Lol...
So if you cant innovate , u should pay royalties?
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Actually yes. If I can't make a hamburger - I pay McD to do it. If I can't sow some jeans - I go and pay CK to do it. If I can't make an OS by myself - you guessed it - I pay someone else who did it.
Property is property. Period.

Exactly. But now with Samsung and HTC paying royalties to MS based off Android, it would seem like this is the case going forward. That's pretty much every major OEM accounted for(except LG since Moto is now Google's). Having custom hardware and UI's did nothing to prevent the courts from agreeing to licensing fees. Android is not free in absolute terms anymore

krale said:
Actually yes. If I can't make a hamburger - I pay McD to do it.
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But even if not you personally, a lot of people *will* make hamburgers. And will McD go collecting royalties from them? Of course not, that'd be beyond ridiculous.
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Property is property. Period.
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Exactly. Property is property. But then there's also this other thing called "intellectual property". I personally cringe at that, because it's a total misnomer, but oh well.

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Exactly.
Its amazing how people think there must be a global conspiracy or something against Android. Its illegal activities that are costing the OS dearly.
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Krale, just click on his name and look at his previous posts before you get into a conversation that you know nothing about...lol. His posts are all the same. He sees a post about android and goes in and bashes it. Well, I am done with this thread seeing how you people have given him what he wanted...arguments and controversy.

Its legal extortion. Tell me why M$ isn't going after "GOOGLE "?
Its the same tactics they use to force OEMs to license Windows for PCs.
M$ sucks at innovation and sales especially in the consumer sector.

I believe the reason they can't go after google is because they don't charge money for android. the manufacturers though, charge US through the sales of phones.
google gives android for free
samsung, htc, etc sells us android phones
Microsoft can say these manufacturers are taking my ideas and selling it and can't say the same thing to google

**** . And the arguement ensues......
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Krale, just click on his name and look at his previous posts before you get into a conversation that you know nothing about...lol. His posts are all the same. He sees a post about android and goes in and bashes it. Well, I am done with this thread seeing how you people have given him what he wanted...arguments and controversy.
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no, I see a thread where Microsoft is made to look like the bad guy for not letting themselves be walked all over and I defend them. It's not a matter of fanboyism or what OS I favor. It's just what's right.

Maybe an end to all these stupid patent battles?

Hopefully this goes through...
http://tinyurl.com/7a637q5
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I hope so...

I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.

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I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.
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I think they're the core of the patent war.....they seem to be always at war and stuff :/
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I think this is also a part of their marketing strategy. Consumer will become more curious so if they buy an apple brand maybe they will buy a samsung brand to compare by themselves whos better..As part of marketing, a profit for them both...But thats true theres a lot of choices and maybe much better than them definitely, but maybe thats why they doing an exposure to sell their products.

My 74 yo mother in law went to Big Red and asked if she should get an Android or an iPhone. they said the iPhone was less technical and she would be able to the simpler device much easier. So I guess if you are an old woman you should use the iPhone.

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I wonder why they are singling out Apple/Samsung when there are others that are suing much more than these two companies. Microsoft, Oracle and others come to mind.
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"Almunia was careful to point out that this is hardly the only example of a potential abuse of intellectual property rights to distort the market, but with more than 20 cases in 10 countries it's certainly one of the largest and most high profile."

seems a bit odd that apple singles out samsung, not that they do persay... but it gets in media lol
Since a lot of the infringments seem to be from the software side which leads to google :S seems like apple doesn't want to tie up as much cash going after google than if it went after Samsung. Since samsung is a "safe" hit seeing as how apple is one of it's biggest hardware buyers so they can't go after apple too much, if apple doesn't sell well, then samsung loses out on a buyer as well.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/22/apple-and-samsungs-patent-battle-draws-concern-from-eu-competit/
Maybe under threat of such hefty fines, the two competitors will put aside their differences and actually compete... you know, in the marketplace instead of in the court room.
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I LOLed hard when i read that
which is so true that it's actually sad i'll rather see that energy and wasted money channelled into more R&D for better products

If the commission chooses to pursue legal action both Samsung and Apple could be fined up to 10 percent of their annual revenue.
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Awch... That's painful. 10% of annual revenue
But I doubt it'll stop both of their war. Might "change battleground" to somewhere else, other than patent. Just be ready ...
Heard Apple will tore down all Google Services. Hope that doesn't actually bites Apple back ...
Killing this planet's most reliable, unique profit taking company out of your company, might actually leads towards "your own" extinction.

sushiguy732 said:
My 74 yo mother in law went to Big Red and asked if she should get an Android or an iPhone. they said the iPhone was less technical and she would be able to the simpler device much easier. So I guess if you are an old woman you should use the iPhone.
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excellent). more likely all of these disputes over money

There's a chance
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