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Sensation not as quick as EVO 3D on Homescreens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMioPBv4PbI&feature=player_embedded
Interesting. It's nothing too noticeable, but I really hope it gets addressed in an OTA update. This and the unresponsive screen/quick swiping issue need to get addressed fast.

only thing that comes to mind is the RAM difference compared to the EVO
1024 > 768

I think the sensation is far from a final device..IMO it is a beta device and I hate htc for that

nirvana2506 said:
I think the sensation is far from a final device..IMO it is a beta device and I hate htc for that
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Well I have had zero issues thus far. Am I lucky or you unlucky?

Dunno about I but my Sensation has less lag than that, though it does take about 3 swipes to get my homescreens spinning. Also, I saw noticeable lag there on the EVO 3D especially towards the end of the Video.
The culprit is sense but the EVO 3D looks slightly more smoothe than on my phone.
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I've played with both devices in hand (I work for Sprint and we've got our demo unit in) and so far I haven't noticed a big difference.
There is a hell of a lot more bloatware on the Sensation then on the Evo 3D, so I'm hoping once we get root we can remove all the crap.
I only have about 110MB of RAM free on a fresh boot with nothing installed yet (so there is defiantly a lot of garbage installed).

Are you checking your free RAM from that stock "task" manager? If so it's very unreliable. You should manually from the Manage Apps screen.
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The spinning effect is just a pointless gimmick anyway. And honestly it looks like it spins way to easily on the Evo.

Sprint SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nirvana2506 said:
I think the sensation is far from a final device..IMO it is a beta device and I hate htc for that
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If they give u a final device this mean they are going to close the company and set drinking tea and coffee at their house This A,B business they will never make final device. this is just how it is.

I think this is totally a software issue. The only way it would be RAM is if the RAM was already maxed out and we know this happens even with 200 free.

karnovaran said:
I think this is totally a software issue. The only way it would be RAM is if the RAM was already maxed out and we know this happens even with 200 free.
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Yeah I don't think its the ram either, people have said sense3.0 runs smoother on the MT4G which has the same ammount of ram. Even the PS3 only has 256mb RAM and its a beast for graphics. (yes even the seperate GPU is only 256mb)

BonesRed said:
Are you checking your free RAM from that stock "task" manager? If so it's very unreliable. You should manually from the Manage Apps screen.
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Both spots show right around the same amount of memory free in the RAM.

nccu_eagles said:
Sprint SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And why do you think I work for Sprint and carry a T-Mobile phone...
Because I agree.

Squeaky369 said:
Both spots show right around the same amount of memory free in the RAM.
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that's odd. mine always show 2 different.
task manager always show way less.
setting>app I get around 300mb free.
anyway, I dont' think it's a ram issue. perhaps it's because of bloatware on the phone?
I also think that Evo goes into the carousel mode too easily. it would drive me nuts if every time I wanted to change pages and I flick a little too hard and it goes into a carousel...

It also seems to me that the Evo screen is more vibrant.
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i think it's just brightness setting, and evo have the widget clock sun shine effect on...

I'm sorry
I don't see ' unresponsive' or lagged in the video. It's just very slightly different.
Mine can take one swipe to spin it .. if I swipe quickly enough .. in fairness I can't imagine needing it to spin anyway.
Right I'm off to try and find something wrong with it..
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Its sense, I wouldn't be surprised if the difference of ram really mattered. I use launcher pro and my nexus one had absolutely 0 lag. The sensation has no lag on a fresh boot but 10 sexongs later has lag on the expose style feature. I can't wait to root this thing. All I want is vanilla android with the HTC unlock screen
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Multiple launchers?

I am considering using launcher pro with my sensation but I was wondering if it is still going to keep sense in memory therefore using up ressources. Any input on this?
Android noob coming from iPhone bear with me
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Basically yes, as the Sense launcher is hooked in with the Sense framework, which the phone of course requires.
Overall, don't worry about it, it shouldn't affect your usage at all, it won't be taking up CPU cycles, which is what you should be worried about

Just go and use launcher pro and forget about the Sense launcher in the background. Yes it takes up memory but not using CPU resources so it doesn't matter. This is not old Windows mobile phone, Android will kill the Sense launcher if it runs out of memory (that's why you noticed that Sense had to restart after running some apps on older phone with Sense UI and less memory).
People should stop worrying about having only "100MB" free memory. Free memory means memory that are not used. Merely having 1GB free memory won't make your phone runs any faster than having only 100MB memory. When Android needs more memory, it will automatically kill some background apps to free up memory it needs.

Launcher pro is pretty good
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ive used launcher pro since i got android that was with my MyTouch 3G i would never use anything else!

This phone isn't usable without LauncherPro for me.

Thank God for 3rd party launchers. I can't stand Sense and I have given it every chance as well. Apart from the extremely annoying frequent Sense reboots the phone lags and things feel slower than on my old Incredible. Just switching from Sense to LauncherPro without changing anything else I get back over 50MB of RAM. That's ridiculous, talk about bloat.
I still haven't s-off my phone yet but I'm starting to consider it. Especially when we get stable builds from Cyanogen.
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Are you crazy you don't like sense3.0 it runs smooth as glass on my inspire but if you don't use the widgets I can see why you would go for launcher pro. But your nuts if you don't root. I would have had that puppy rooted the minute it came out.
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sammael1069 said:
Are you crazy you don't like sense3.0 it runs smooth as glass on my inspire but if you don't use the widgets I can see why you would go for launcher pro. But your nuts if you don't root. I would have had that puppy rooted the minute it came out.
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Inspire Sense 3.0 and Sensation Sense 3.0 (Stock) are two completely different beasts. The stock build for Sensation has some issues.

mobilehavoc said:
Thank God for 3rd party launchers. I can't stand Sense and I have given it every chance as well. Apart from the extremely annoying frequent Sense reboots the phone lags and things feel slower than on my old Incredible. Just switching from Sense to LauncherPro without changing anything else I get back over 50MB of RAM. That's ridiculous, talk about bloat.
I still haven't s-off my phone yet but I'm starting to consider it. Especially when we get stable builds from Cyanogen.
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Pretty funny. Buy an htc phone knowing it comes with sense. How about next time pass on a htc phone so you don't have to deal with bloat as you call it
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What about if you buy a phome for hardware... People do that with computers and dual boot linux etc because they are not a fan of windows
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I really like Sense 3.0, I just wish it was more optimized out of the gate.

jam34 said:
Pretty funny. Buy an htc phone knowing it comes with sense. How about next time pass on a htc phone so you don't have to deal with bloat as you call it
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I knew it came with Sense. My Incredible came with Sense and it was lightning fast. As much as I like it its too slow and buggy. Once they update it and hopefully improve things I might give it another shot.
Oh and this phone hardware is reason enough to buy the phone.
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im s-off but i dont want a custom rom i like what i have just want to theme my stock rom a little other than that it runs smooth as a babys ass lol......... maybe its those dump **** apps your installing

LauncherPro locks up my Sensation something fierce.

jam34 said:
Pretty funny. Buy an htc phone knowing it comes with sense. How about next time pass on a htc phone so you don't have to deal with bloat as you call it
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Personally, I like HTC's hardware. It's Sense I can always do without. I mean, c'mon! This is a forum for phone modding, not for keeping your phone like stock.
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If I can't install the apps I want then the phone is useless. Enjoy limiting what you install on your phone to keep running how you want.

I have been using ADW on it since I got it. I hate Sense and always have. To much eye candy for no apparent reason. Ill take function over form any day of the week.
By the way, I just switched everyone from the other thread regarding this same topic over to ADW from LP and gave them my settings. The 5 that did all agree that ADW is faster than LP with the correct settings. Also, the free version of ADW will not be as fast due to it not having a lot of the settings. You have to purchase ADW EX in order to feel the speed.
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Sense 3 is acceptable to me
But I prefer Google's original launch app
But LaunchPro and ADW are something makes wanna throw the phone right to the wall

Sense is just trash, period. Can't wait to get my CM7!
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I can't figure it out but my phone hates Sense. Even after I uninstalled the Good for Enterprise app which I thought was causing the issues Sense starts slowing down and then craps out after a little while. It literally restarts Sense after every app install or update or even uninstall. I don't think its a memory issue only because there's plenty free but it doesn't happen right after a reboot either. I can't figure it out but it definitely seems like something is leaking memory or corrupting Sense.
When is T-Mobile releasing our update? I'm good using LP for now but it'd be nice to have a proper functioning stock launcher as an option as well.
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I was running ADW EX for a few days. It was fast as ****, but I missed the Sense 3.0. Widgets and interface. My phone has no lag at all and works perfect with Sense as well. If it was laggy, I would definitely drop it for ADW. My brother uses Launcher Pro and is a big fan. To each his own.

Totally agree, to each his own.
For me ... this phone is totally usable with Sense...
Each launcher has it's pluses and minuses. There are quite a few alternatives to Sense widgets but none has completely done it for me. Same goes for HTC's apps, especially People/Phone and Email apps.
The major problem with Sense 3 was the many frequent Launcher restarts, which is almost solved now with the custom rom I'm using (CrystalPyramid), been using it for 3 days and it's been as fast as can be for me. I really can't be happier with my Sensation now.
The only two things I really miss about other launchers are changing home number of rows and resizable widgets.

crisisinthecity said:
I was running ADW EX for a few days. It was fast as ****, but I missed the Sense 3.0. Widgets and interface. My phone has no lag at all and works perfect with Sense as well. If it was laggy, I would definitely drop it for ADW. My brother uses Launcher Pro and is a big fan. To each his own.
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I definitely have an app or something that is messing with Sense. It starts out well enough and then just craps its pants after a while. I would like to use it but can't if I want to maintain my sanity.
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kable said:
LauncherPro locks up my Sensation something fierce.
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Have you tried playing around with the Memory Usage and other options under LauncherPro's Preferences --> Advanced Settings menu?
I was already pretty happy with LP's performance on my phone, but a couple of experiments with those tweaks made it even better for me. Hopefully it'll make things a little rosier for you too? That is, if you're even interested in LP anymore

I would get the white screen with green HTC logo almost everytime I went out of an app so, started using Launcher Pro. Today just for the frell of it
I decided to download Go Launcher EX. I got say its 1, Free, 2, there are
loads of free themes and 3 customizable!
The guy at T-Mobile said that once this phone gets 2.3.4 and the HTC
update as well then Sense might not be so buggy.
Here's a link to view about the launcher above.
http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/productivity/go-launcher-ex_ragy.html

Desire user: Is Sensation's internal storage enough?

I currently have a Desire, considering getting a Sensation. The biggest problem with the Desire is the limited internal memory - only 512MB, which is also used by the OS itself. So there's very little memory for applications. There exist some solutions to move apps to SD, but they are not nice to set up and don't always perform best.
So my question is, is the 1GB memory on the Sensation enough for installing as many apps as you want? Has anyone hit the limit?
Thanks!
P.S. I'd also like to hear opinions from former Desire users that have already upgraded to Sensation. For example, the capacitive keys and the lack of a trackpad with an action button.
P.P.S. I just realized the topic should go to the Q&A section, but cannot delete this thread anymore...

I would say so! I have everything installed on my sensation that I had on my desire with A2SD and still have 529MB free space

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So my question is, is the 1GB memory on the Sensation enough for installing as many apps as you want? Has anyone hit the limit?
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the sensation actually has 2GGB of internal memory where 1GB is reserved for the system meaning you have appproximately 1GB for apps in practic. I find this more than sufficient

It ends up being 10x what the Desire had. Coming from the Nexus One, its definitely nice to not have to worry about space. If you put every app on the SD Card, you can fit about 1,000 apps. About 200 apps if you don't put any on the SD Card.
The trackball is missed a bit, but with it gone you realize how much space it was taking up. The touchscreen is better, and HTC has a little software snippit that's slows down the response rate so you can select text better.
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frederikh said:
the sensation actually has 2GGB of internal memory where 1GB is reserved for the system meaning you have appproximately 1GB for apps in practic. I find this more than sufficient
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Sensation has 4GB... 3gb are reserved.
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Hgaara said:
Sensation has 4GB... 3gb are reserved.
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Woah, that's a lot! Does it hint some possible bigger future updates (e.g. Ice Cream Sandwitch with Chocolate Topping and Caramel Almonds )

this question is mostly user preference, since it depends on how the user uses his cellphone. If a user is mostly a application geek or more like games then its not enough. And even if its not enough there is an APP2SD.

Hgaara said:
Sensation has 4GB... 3gb are reserved.
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Look at the memory with an app like Titanium Backup. It's 1gig internal, 1gig external.
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frederikh said:
the sensation actually has 2GGB of internal memory where 1GB is reserved for the system meaning you have appproximately 1GB for apps in practic. I find this more than sufficient
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Yeah, a phone with more than 1gb worth of apps is like a closet with a bunch of **** in it you don't need. You can only use so many apps.

1GB with 3 in reserved? How do we get around this so we can use all 4GBs?

xamadeix said:
1GB with 3 in reserved? How do we get around this so we can use all 4GBs?
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I'm sure the specs got bumped down to 2gigs (total). But with a ROM like CM7 or an AOSP build, which is much smaller than Sense, we should be able to reformat the internal memory and get 1.5gigs external, .5gigs internal.
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1GB is more than enough for me. I have 920mb left. I have lots of apps on the SD.

I used to have the desire. Correct me if i'm wrong but I remember only having 250mg for apps not 500! Since moving to my Desire hd and now the sensation I have no worries about running out of memory.

chapinrico said:
I used to have the desire. Correct me if i'm wrong but I remember only having 250mg for apps not 500! Since moving to my Desire hd and now the sensation I have no worries about running out of memory.
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250? My wildfire only had 100 MB. Yes it seems ok for me and u can always use apps to sd
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My desire had only 100mb for apps. Sense gobbled up the vast chunk of the 512mb rom. Then there were the data and cache partitions as well.
By the way you cannot repartition the Sensation as the flash nand is emmc protected. I don't really understand the technical details but it boils down to the fact that the emmc security prevents it.
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Desire user here too, the storage alone was worth upgrading to the sensation, I haven't had the chance to use A2SD on the desire (I had the desire for 2 months), so talking stock, the difference is HUGE, I mean with desire I after installing just barely the basic stuff I use plus some games, I had 26mb or so free, with the sensation right now I have programs that I have no idea what they're for, many games, all while keeping firefox, opera, and several other programs on the internal storage for fast access, free MB : 767mb, so yeah HUGE difference

Thank you, guys! I'm almost convinced to upgrade now The last two questions whose answers will help me convince my wallet:
1) How was the feeling upgrading from Desire? Screen, performance, features?
2) Is it the right time now to upgrade? Is a much better device than the Sensation around the corner?
IMO, the Sensation is the best Android device that has ever come out. Samsung Galaxy S2 feels really bulky and plasticy (like all Samsung devices, including the Nexus S), and I hate their UI mods.

1. Deff. Yes
2. No every 3/6 month a better phone will come out..so buy your phone in the year 2020

Went from Desire to Desire HD to this. Desire HD has sane screen size as this but same resolution as Desire and I must say the screen on the DHD looks silly now. It just looks like it should fit more on the screen than it does.
Now on the Sensation I can use adw launcher with a 5x5 grid and it looks natural. On the last two phones it looked cramped and unpleasant.
The only issue is the handful of apps which can't deal with the higher resolution. I've got two right now which refuse to use any more than 3/4 of the screen. Hopefully the develops will get around to fixing them.
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Thanks, dr.m0x, that's a good point. I've also been wondering how apps deal with the qHD screen, as I had the fear that many of them would assume a 800x480 display.
Still, most (at least of the essential/popular) apps deal with the resolution, don't they? And how about games? Resolution seems more critical there, I guess...

Multitasking Fix?

I believe that one of the devs on here said they found HTC's framework to be killing tasks way before they should be, any chance that this will be documented for use with all 2012 HTC phones? Many phones like the Evo LTE, One X, One S, etc, are running into this issue, and it seems to be a very common problem.

My boyfriends' HTC Raider just received a 4.0.3 update from gingerbread going from sense 3.5 to 3.6, and suddenly multitasking on his is just like my One X... I really loathe this new direction HTC's taking.
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Aviras said:
My boyfriends' HTC Raider just received a 4.0.3 update from gingerbread going from sense 3.5 to 3.6, and suddenly multitasking on his is just like my One X... I really loathe this new direction HTC's taking.
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I read about how there's some HTC code that basically forces tasks to hibernate/kill after a certain amount of time, and I thought that might be a big reason why multitasking is broken.

Why are there still threads about multitasking? The 4.0.4 largely fixes multitasking problem.

thedauntlessone said:
Why are there still threads about multitasking? The 4.0.4 largely fixes multitasking problem.
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No it doesn't. Not even close.
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Since updating this morning, I've found multitasking to be hugely improved. I can go 3 or 4 apps back, that haven't been run in awhile, and they're still sitting in the same spot. In the past they would definitely have had to restart. Really liking the update.
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Why are there still threads about multitasking? The 4.0.4 largely fixes multitasking problem.
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Because there is no confirmation that they removed the task killing code and reverted back to stock memory management.
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Just install a rom
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brutusbucknuts said:
Since updating this morning, I've found multitasking to be hugely improved. I can go 3 or 4 apps back, that haven't been run in awhile, and they're still sitting in the same spot. In the past they would definitely have had to restart. Really liking the update.
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Ditto. Post AT&T update I've yet to have the multitasking issues. I'm not sure if HTC did something to improve multitasking or if things just aren't flagged to be killed as fast because there is more RAM available upon boot up.
The issue has become a non issue post update for me though.

The update certainly fixed mine, and I HATED it before. Browser no longer reloads when I switch back, nor does Tapatalk, both of which were notorious culprits. Sense doesn't crash when coming out of gameplay now, either.
I went from less than 200mb of free RAM on a reboot to between 350-400mb of free RAM.
To me, multitasking is night and day different on 4.0.4.
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Hunt3r.j2 said:
Because there is no confirmation that they removed the task killing code and reverted back to stock memory management.
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Every other post is saying how much multitasking improved, so go install CleanRom or other 4.0.4 based rom and judge for yourself. I ran 4 apps last night for an hour between Chrome, Facebook, Phone, Message, etc and multitasked them no problem with a ton of screen on/off. None of them had to reload once. It's not perfect, but to say not even close is a retarded statement.

The main problem with multitasking is that by default, it's limited to 15 apps max, so unless it's running as a service, there can only be 15 apps running at once. And since HTC likes to include all these extra apps, like HTC message uploader, music enhancer, HTC services(runs as an app actually), etc, 15 apps is not a lot, so when a new app is launched, it starts to kill apps no matter how much memory is left.
I've already discovered how to raise the limit, I'm just testing a couple of things before I release it

It does seem to be better on 4.0.4. The one thing that annoys me is that while I don't need to reload pages and all, I do have to get into the recent apps even for apps I don't close out the app. But it's much better than before.

Calkulin said:
The main problem with multitasking is that by default, it's limited to 15 apps max, so unless it's running as a service, there can only be 15 apps running at once. And since HTC likes to include all these extra apps, like HTC message uploader, music enhancer, HTC services(runs as an app actually), etc, 15 apps is not a lot, so when a new app is launched, it starts to kill apps no matter how much memory is left.
I've already discovered how to raise the limit, I'm just testing a couple of things before I release it
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Huh...interesting. Thanks for the info!

Calkulin said:
The main problem with multitasking is that by default, it's limited to 15 apps max, so unless it's running as a service, there can only be 15 apps running at once. And since HTC likes to include all these extra apps, like HTC message uploader, music enhancer, HTC services(runs as an app actually), etc, 15 apps is not a lot, so when a new app is launched, it starts to kill apps no matter how much memory is left.
I've already discovered how to raise the limit, I'm just testing a couple of things before I release it
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Cool, that was what I was wondering about.
Looks like there are still things yet to be discovered about the multitasking shenanigans inside our ROMs...

While more ram has indeed solved hangs and reboot issues, I find chrome still reloads, facebook still reloads, among others... For me, multitasking is no different than before and I've so far tried most of the 4.0.4 roms.
So yeah, I'd say multitasking has a ways to go yet, but that's just me... The above user's response is NOT retarded; that's just disrespectful... More like it's just his experience, and as far as user experiences goes, I'm finding the One XL to be really inconsistent.
Still, definitely an improvement. Baby steps.
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Calkulin said:
The main problem with multitasking is that by default, it's limited to 15 apps max, so unless it's running as a service, there can only be 15 apps running at once. And since HTC likes to include all these extra apps, like HTC message uploader, music enhancer, HTC services(runs as an app actually), etc, 15 apps is not a lot, so when a new app is launched, it starts to kill apps no matter how much memory is left.
I've already discovered how to raise the limit, I'm just testing a couple of things before I release it
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You still working on a rom?
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