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[Topic] Beware future crackdowns

http://www.phonedog.com/2011/05/13/does-custom-rom-support-affect-the-buying-process/
....just to keep a eye out
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This has been known for a while .
I don't see this being a problem for very long especially on htc, considering that phones like the holiday will more then likely have international "brothers/sisters", that means there will be dev support worldwide working to break open a phones boot loader. I would assume the only reason it hasn't been done to the atrix, is because honestly the phone is a flop. Blur put a bad taste in everyones mouth and not alot of people want to mess with moto.
If you hit up other htc phone boards here on xda there are literally hundreds of developers working on htc phones. I have said it before where there is a will there is a way.

Atrix is no flop
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Locked bootloaders do much harm to the phones' sales. I like the sense rom but the default stock one comes with a lot of bloat and poor battery performance. I flashed the dilligaf's V2 rom and my phone now flies. When the manufacturers cannot unleash the full potential of the phone, why the hell do they have to lock their bootloaders for?

rjayflo said:
Atrix is no flop
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That's not what the saturated dev section for the atrix tells me.
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rjayflo said:
Atrix is no flop
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I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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danielsaenz said:
I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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Lol
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danielsaenz said:
I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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HAHAHA! That's funny sh*t.
Anyways... If the manufacturers and Phone companies would actually leave the phones open, we wouldn't have this issue.
It wouldn't be too hard for them to do...build a recovery image right into the phone. If something screws up, they is a keypress sequence that would force install factory firmware. Bam...No more brick, and start over. I know I have reference the PSP in several other posts, but they did it right. Maybe the phone manufacturers should take a hint.
There is a PSP dev that goes by Dark_Alex... He created the "Despertar del Cementerio." This translates to "Wake the Dead." This was a service battery and memory stick combo that would literally UNBRICK your PSP. I actually have one, and have purposely killed the power during a firmware update to test it. And it works! Anyways, the point is...this is VERY possible with these phones, no one has done it yet tho.

danielsaenz said:
I work at AT&T COR, yes, my particular store sells about 30 Inspires to 1 Atrix. Yes, it's a flop.
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Haha, I LOLed at work when I read this.
ATT seems to have something to do with this. If I hadn't been able to root my inspire I'd probably have returned it. Too much bloat. Bloated on a phone like that males it even worse (also I never liked MOTO)
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Well if its not rootable and cannot access recovery,then I don't bother. I was walking thru fryys when I saw the inspire and knew I had to get it. Trading my sgs vibrant+$150 for a new inspire sounded great to me. But I didn't think if the bootloader was unlocked or not. Luckily,it was. I got Lucky on this one
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No more bootloaders

WERE FREEEE! =) htc has quit its locked bootloader ways. We win

Proof?
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The CEO of HTC announced it.

Awesome! They probably come to realize how much of a bad idea it would be and what it would do to its sales and market share.
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http://htcsource.com/

It's true, I just read the press release. Nice to know HTC cares about the dev community.
I'll be a customer for life now.

To freakin cool!

Tx Redneck said:
To freakin cool!
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HTC standing their ground. Love it.

Now the only thing holding them back is making devices for ATT...
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How does "making" devices for AT&T hold back HTC?

ThEiiNoCeNT said:
Now the only thing holding them back is making devices for ATT...
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They make devices for other providers...switch. problem solved

Androidude said:
How does "making" devices for AT&T hold back HTC?
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Because AT&T Doesnt really like for people to make their device their "own" they want you to use the phone as is..

Now we know the htc holiday will come open and easy for roms!

moonmanxo said:
Because AT&T Doesnt really like for people to make their device their "own" they want you to use the phone as is..
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Not sure why people blame the carriers for this. Sure they would like you to pay for tethering but they obviously don't have a set policy. Devices range from Samsung which can be flashed without even rooting in some cases to Motorola with locked, signed, encrypted, blah blah. If the carriers were the ones making the decision on bootloaders then there would seem to be more consistency across manufacturers. Sprint even said publicly that they have no say in the matter and were deferring to HTC on the fate of the EVO 3d.

newter55 said:
Not sure why people blame the carriers for this. Sure they would like you to pay for tethering but they obviously don't have a set policy. Devices range from Samsung which can be flashed without even rooting in some cases to Motorola with locked, signed, encrypted, blah blah. If the carriers were the ones making the decision on bootloaders then there would seem to be more consistency across manufacturers. Sprint even said publicly that they have no say in the matter and were deferring to HTC on the fate of the EVO 3d.
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That may be true publicly but privately, I believe carriers heavily "encourage" manufacturers to lock the bl (perhaps even with incentives.)
Carriers defer to the manufacturers questions like this to avoid looking like the bad guy. Kinda like the hot-potato when it comes to OS upgrades.
Sprint: "We're waiting for HTC to get Froyo ready."
HTC: "We're waiting for Sprint to QA their custom apps and functionality."

HTC, you've made me and millions of other HTC users customers for life.
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I don't know about you guys...but I'm getting pretty sick of ATT and they are about to jack up their prices again...I'm just a pessimist, don't worry bout me
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Agreed att is nothing but money hungry eating sharks. I hate them personally but not their phones.
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codyperez86 said:
Agreed att is nothing but money hungry eating sharks. I hate them personally but not their phones.
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All the cell providers in America meet this definition...companies exist for the soul purpose of maoijf money and it just happens that at&t seems to not lose business no matter what they do so they don't have to appease customers. Simple as that.
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trell959 said:
HTC, you've made me and millions of other HTC users customers for life.
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+100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
(That's a lot, ain't it?)
That's ****ing *****in' news.
HTC, prepare to dominate.
w00t
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Petition for Timely Kernel Release

Just forwarding to get peoples eyes on this. This was started by Evo 4G LTE community.
XDA Portal
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...t-petition-for-timely-kernel-source-releases/
Original Petition thread on XDA
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821328
Petition Link
http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-htc-needs-timely-kernel-source-releases
We all know we hate how slow HTC has been on releasing Kernel source in this community. Doesn't hurt to try, I signed. Will YOU?

Because online petitions have ever worked...
Last time any petition has worked was when this guy named George Washington was alive.
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your right, petitions hardly, if ever work. It doesn't mean we just bend over and take it. It's a nice attempt by a group in the same situation we're in. I'd rather support it than look on from the sidelines.

WTFunk said:
your right, petitions hardly, if ever work. It doesn't mean we just bend over and take it. It's a nice attempt by a group in the same situation we're in. I'd rather support it than look on from the sidelines.
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Actually, about a year ago there was a petition against HTC for them to become more dev friendly... They agreed after a while. But then again they locked the bootloader on us and kept s-on anyway for this phone.
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Htcdev is just Window dressing. They should not have locked bootloaders in the first place. Android is supposed to be open. I'm sick of jumping through hoops.

gunnyman said:
Htcdev is just Window dressing. They should not have locked bootloaders in the first place. Android is supposed to be open. I'm sick of jumping through hoops.
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I can agree and disagree
With the option of an s-off bootloader to the regular user can be disastrous. Let's face it people can be idiots and they would blame it on HTC when they eff up their phones
With htcdev unlock as it is, its pretty much impossible to brick permanently with most phones. With s off however one simple mistake can be disastrous
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ECEXCURSION said:
Actually, about a year ago there was a petition against HTC for them to become more dev friendly... They agreed after a while. But then again they locked the bootloader on us and kept s-on anyway for this phone.
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They must have thought we'd just forget about it.
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Honestly don't think HTC will do anything or care at all but only took a second to sign online so I just did it. I would love if this worked though! JB source would be awesome for the JB roms that are coming out now!

I am currently working with gpl-violations.org on putting some pressure on them.
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c5satellite2 said:
I am currently working with gpl-violations.org on putting some pressure on them.
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fantastic. I couldn't figure out how to file a complaint. Thanks for going further than I did.

c5satellite2 said:
I am currently working with gpl-violations.org on putting some pressure on them.
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Good to hear.
To everyone else I know it's unlikely to affect anything but take 30 seconds to sign. Let it at least be known that you still care.

gunnyman said:
fantastic. I couldn't figure out how to file a complaint. Thanks for going further than I did.
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There is an email address on the site. I had to look for a while also.
Note to all, if you do email them, please don't spam them. Be polite and don't email repeatedly. They are helping us.
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My dilemma. To upgrade or not.

So I got a new att HTC one x last week for 9.99 from att. I love it! But now I'm liking the Lumia 920 and the x+ that's coming out this Friday for 200. I still have a week to exchange my phone...what should I do?
I already rooted and have cm10 running. And I'm happy other than battery life. But that's ok I always have a charger near by. I only like the true Google experience and hate the sense ui. But I did like my old wp7 phone. What should I do? Keep my one x or exchange it for the one x+? Our the Lumia 920?
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If you rooted that means your unlocked... good luck returning that.

If you have to ask what you should do, then you shouldn't.
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Nobody can make up your mind
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borguesian said:
If you rooted that means your unlocked... good luck returning that.
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This. When they look at your boot loader and see tampered and unlocked/relocked they won't take it. Good job reading about what rooting and stuff would do to your warranty.
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I'm sure they will take it back if you flash IceColdJelly
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absolutelygrim said:
I'm sure they will take it back if you flash IceColdJelly
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Just scared my dog I lol'd so loud
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Better off selling it at this point, that is if you don't really want it.
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absolutelygrim said:
I'm sure they will take it back if you flash IceColdJelly
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+1 for that haha.
I took my first one x back after 4 days to get the grey one. I had it unlocked and rooted and all they did was open the box, check for the charger, phone and USB cord. They do ask if you rooted the phone. I told him I didn't know what that meant, then he processed the return *your results may vary

mgutierrez87 said:
+1 for that haha.
I took my first one x back after 4 days to get the grey one. I had it unlocked and rooted and all they did was open the box, check for the charger, phone and USB cord. They do ask if you rooted the phone. I told him I didn't know what that meant, then he processed the return *your results may vary
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lol I would love to work for a carrier... First thing I would do is load the bootloader up and check, but also boot the phone up just incase. Then if i see a custom rom, tempered/unlocked bootloader I'll just laugh and procede with the return/exchange.

Android to wp8 won't be a sweet transition so i would say that you go and get x+ if at all they happen to take it back !

Myrder said:
This. When they look at your boot loader and see tampered and unlocked/relocked they won't take it. Good job reading about what rooting and stuff would do to your warranty.
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Good job reading the actual question and contributing to the actual conversation! At any point did i ask for any advice about my rooted rom or my unlocked bootloder? I was only asking advice on the physical phones.

borguesian said:
If you rooted that means your unlocked... good luck returning that.
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Completely different things. Rooted does not mean unlocked.

Myrder said:
This. When they look at your boot loader and see tampered and unlocked/relocked they won't take it. Good job reading about what rooting and stuff would do to your warranty.
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Have you ever taken anything back to an att store? If it's in the first 30 days all they look at is to make sure your phone is in pristine condition and they exchange it on the spot. I'm only looking for advice whether i should trade up to the one x+ or not. I guess all everyone cares about on this forum is the at&t "warranty"

http://dl.xda-developers.com/attachdl/d9936bbb851c0c4845cf66981a6f00f5/50a24416/1/4/7/8/5/6/3/what+a+whiny+*****+you+are+my+good+sir+_2b659dfd4c6a248c6c2be1404038280e.jpg

Make your mind up, choose one and live with it.
I don't get these threads, how would we know what is going to work for you.
As well, there will always be something better coming out so YOU really have to know what YOU like an want and stick with it a bit.
WR
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I personally not invest any time or money in a phone OS that has a 1 to 2 % market share, such as in the base of Windows Phone (market data showing WP at just under 4% market share actually include those that are still on the old Windows Mobile platform, and have simply not updated their devices).

bobtukin said:
Completely different things. Rooted does not mean unlocked.
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smh
Unlocked bootloader...

Galaxy Note II

I say wait till windows OS matures (maybe a generation after this one) because they don't have many important apps in their market ecosystem, currently. HTC One X is a good phone and you won't miss much except for the wireless charging plate included in the Lumia 920; uses the same processor too.
I'm deciding between the galaxy s 3 and the HTC one x atm
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Make unlocking your phone legal

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
I'm not one normally for stuff like thus but something need to be done people who have no idea about technology have no business make choices on how we the user use our phones.
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So how are they going to control this? Can't u still get an unlock code on eBay and them never know

What the hell.... why are they doing it I just signed the petition hope the govt take action about it.
This is ridiculous

So does this mean I can't flash custom ROMs anymore for my next phone? Unlocking == Unlock Bootloader? Or Unlocking = Allowing to run on different network is a different process than unlocking the bootloader...idk just confused about the bill if someone could clarify

Carrier unlock, not bootloader unlock

Done, this is a bunch of BS.
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I read a few articles about this back in December. Any phones bought before the law went into effect can still be unlocked legally by whatever means a person sees fit. To have an unlocked new device you must either purchase a device already unlocked like the nexus 4 or an iPhone sold buy apple unlocked, or you must get special permission from the carrier. I also remember reading an article about rooting or unlocking tablets becoming illegal unless provided by the manufacture like how Google does with the nexus line (couldn't find any recent articles over this).

moehagene said:
I read a few articles about this back in December. Any phones bought before the law went into effect can still be unlocked legally by whatever means a person sees fit. To have an unlocked new device you must either purchase a device already unlocked like the nexus 4 or an iPhone sold buy apple unlocked, or you must get special permission from the carrier. I also remember reading an article about rooting or unlocking tablets becoming illegal unless provided by the manufacture like how Google does with the nexus line (couldn't find any recent articles over this).
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I think this only applies to phones. Tablets are considered PCs and as such can be modified to the user's content.
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I waited til today to unlock my phone just to say **** you government
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XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
I waited til today to unlock my phone just to say **** you government
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Nice! From now on I'll make unlocking phones a hobby!!!
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Artood2s said:
I think this only applies to phones. Tablets are considered PCs and as such can be modified to the user's content.
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The new law now prevents unauthorized tinkering of tablets sold and distributed in the United States. However, the rule applies for devices governed by telcos' exclusive contracts, most of which expire after two years. I added two different links from a basic Google search.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/4277...-smartphone-unlocking-tablet.htm#.UQS1A79EHQg
http://bgr.com/2013/01/24/smartphone-unlocking-illegal-303627/

'....the land of the free.....'
Isn't there an amendment about phones? I mean you guys have free speech and guns.....

So does this or does this not include bootloader unlocks?
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TheEmpyre said:
So does this or does this not include bootloader unlocks?
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No just Sim unlocks
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CheesyNutz said:
No just Sim unlocks
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There's a lot of FUD going around. Even The Verge (90 Seconds), had a spot that was vague and seemed to suggest that bootloader unlocking was now illegal (already gone through the courts and confirmed legal).
I think the new law is a net zero effect. Nothing really changes except that carriers have the option of pursuing you legally for taking their phone (your phone) off their network. I don't see them putting a lot of resources into enforcement.
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marijuana king said:
So how are they going to control this? Can't u still get an unlock code on eBay and them never know
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Can Anyone clear that up?
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CheesyNutz said:
No just Sim unlocks
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Thanks for the clarification

sorry my phone needs a breathalyzer to prevent me from posting nonsense

Bump....

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Bump....
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Why bump this thread?