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A device has now been tested www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-review-378.php
What are your thoughts? Is this a match for the TP2?
I hate to say it, but im swayed by this device to move away from HTC until they bring the next touch/keyboard device (TP3?)
I still prefer TP2!
The only point I can see is not better is in processor, but I´ll wait patiently to see the 09-10 HTC new models!
ooh i dont know that seems prettty nice.... but since its probably not coming to tmobile here in the us i think i have no choice but to go iwth the touch pro 2, it will probably go to Verizon cause they where the only one to get the last omnia
A match? To be honest, I'm not seeing how the Touch Pro 2 is supposed to be better or even equal to a phone that has an AMOLED screen and 800Mhz Cortex A8 processor. The B7610 even beats the TP2 in little things like camera and ROM storage amount.
steve7702 said:
A device has now been tested www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-review-378.php
What are your thoughts? Is this a match for the TP2?
I hate to say it, but im swayed by this device to move away from HTC until they bring the next touch/keyboard device (TP3?)
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That's old news... I was not impressed.
Im so impatient, I dont think I can wait til the next version of the Touch Pro is available. The TP2 has only just been released and therefore its probably going to be another 12 months.
The fact the Samsung is lighter, better screen, camera (inc flash), I have to admit im tempted
.... and you have Samsung build quality which is, in my experience, awesome..... unlike my experience of HTC's which is frankly, awefull.
You will be able to get many cooked roms over at omnia.modaco.com and you will get just as much support from them and here when combined.
i'm gutted I bought my Acer m900 only to THEN find out about the Omnia Pro (the acers great but ....)
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That's old news... I was not impressed.
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It was dated "GSMArena team, 20 July 2009. " .... i'd hardly call that old!
I used to have a Touch HD and video performance was a letdown. Don't get me wrong the HD is a magnificent device, but not being able to watch videos as they should be on this great screen was dissapointing. I tried many different encoders, like doctor divx, nero recode and the encoder made for this device but none of them gave me satisfiyng results. Especially considering that I had to REENCODE a complete movie, this process could easily take several hours. Many tweaks drivers etc never gave me full satisfaction. I made tons of little clips to test the best possible performance for the least amount of encoding time and my findigs were that my best option was to reencode with Nero at a maximum resolution of 524 and max bitrate of 700 and selecting Quicktime compatibility for the MPEG ASP. So I ended up with tons of clips, each time trying wich is the best. The following things were particularly frustrating.
- No out of the box divx/xvid support
- playback of divx/xvid with coreplayer or any other 3rd party player was slow and laggy
- No standard MPEG 4 ASP support, for example videos recorded on other devices like Nokia's wouldn't play. Also many programs would create incompatible mp4 files for this device. Later I found out because it doesnt support the Advanced Simple Profile but only the Simple Profile. (Quicktime compatible)
- No standard MPEG 4 AVC support, as the point above the only way to make mp4 video work on this device was to use the encoder program wich was very very very slow. (on my pc at least) Files created with nero or xvid or any other VC-1 encoder would fail to play on this device.
- Even videos created with the special encoder would play fine, but seeking and switching from fullscreen to portrait etc was always lagging.
NOW : I bought a Samsung Omnia PRO B7610 and man it's a world of difference. Seriously this device is awesome for video playback. Smooth playback, fast mode switching, fast seeking forward. I mean everything wich was wrong with the HD is right with this device. I hadn't deleted my bunch of test clips for the HD and this device plays nearly all of them without a problem. And the best part is, I don't have to reencode anything anymore. Every divx/xvid video I tried played flawlessly. Lost episodes downloaded from the web at 624 resolution look perfect on the Amoled Screen, and play perfectly smooth. Well I am certainly satisfied with this device.
samsung b7610
where did you get this deveice from , i've been waiting for it for a long time. does anyone have any idea about a UK release date. i've been scouring the internet and can't find a thing.
I got it online from pdashop / Coolblue. Price for just the phone without contract was 468 euros. You can probably find it cheaper online, but I was prepared to give a little more to get my hands on this a soon as possible.
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where did you get this deveice from , i've been waiting for it for a long time. does anyone have any idea about a UK release date. i've been scouring the internet and can't find a thing.
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It appears not to be in the UK until 7th Oct. clove.co.uk have it and also Play.com both about £399 inc VAT
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It appears not to be in the UK until 7th Oct. clove.co.uk have it and also Play.com both about £399 inc VAT
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I love all this new found competition and new companies entering the Winmob market, prices of high end devices are tumbling!
maryjohn said:
Hey all..
I get whole briefly details of Samsung Omnia Pro, hey i m agree it's processor is not much more better compare to HTC, but yet i like samsung due to it's big feature screen resolution..
i like most it screen size as well as sound quality and operating system.. hey it's deserve to 9 point out of 10.
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What do you mean its a 272mhz difference on cpu not much but on a phone at this time it is a significant difference.
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What do you mean its a 272mhz difference on cpu not much but on a phone at this time it is a significant difference.
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MHz mith and people who know nothing about processor design, gota love it.
google mhz, ghz, processor design and learn. You can NOT compare simple MHZ.
Samsung: Better cpu, Better camera, no tilt screen (a plus for me)
I think I would still prefer the HTC Touch Pro until this get´s cheaper .
now i've got the new Samsung Omnia Pro GT-B7610
Can anybody tell me when the new WM 6.5 will be available for that phone?
If only it had ATT 3g capability, I'd be on it like a flea on a dog...
why not have the guys over at modaco cook up a full fledged HTC rom with manila 2.5/2.6 and other HTC goodies instead of the samsung apps??
i mean all the HTC goodies in a 800MHZ CPU with a dedicated GFX accelerator and a AMOLED screen = PERFECT
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why not have the guys over at modaco cook up a full fledged HTC rom with manila 2.5/2.6 and other HTC goodies instead of the samsung apps??
i mean all the HTC goodies in a 800MHZ CPU with a dedicated GFX accelerator and a AMOLED screen = PERFECT
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in the words of my favourite film "Chill Winston"
They will, very soon I would imagine. Modaco has been the major source of Omnia I900 roms and I have no doubt it will be so for the new Omnia's.
After much searching on this forum and many others, I am still unable to discern if there is a method available to achieve video capture at 720p with my Droid 2 Global.
If I have understood correctly the pages-upon-pages of discussion and product specifications that I've read through in search for an answer, a mobile phone's ability to record HD video depends on the specification of its processor.
The facts seem to be that the D2G is technically capable of recording 720p video, whereas the vastly more popular Droid 2 is not, by nature of their differing processors.
The D2G's "TI OMAP3630-1200" processor, as stated by Motorola's Developer web page, is identical to those of the Droid X and Milestone 2 (the Euro-market version of the Droid 2) in all but its clock speed, "TI OMAP3630-1000." Both the Droid X and Milestone 2 are capable of capturing 720p video.
I am merely an enthusiastic user of my phone, and have never even dabbled with development. Yet it seems to me, given the many other 'miracles' I've witnessed accomplished on these phones, that there certainly must be a member of this assuredly knowledgeable forum that can offer me either an explanation as to how I can capture 720p video with my D2G, or at least why it will never be possible as it is with a Milestone 2.
Thanks very much; I'm waiting with bated breath for a reply.
-Benjamin
It can also be limited by the camera sensor, which I believe is the case with the d2g
Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using XDA App
Thanks very much for your prompt input. I do appreciate greatly any suggestion that might ultimately give me the answer I desire.
However, I must admit, without any data sheet to prove that the image sensors used in the Droid 2 Global and Milestone 2 are in fact different (and believe me, I've searched... and searched for such specific device information), I find this suggestion to be less than satisfying an answer as to why I cannot capture 720p video with my D2G.
In fact, I'm lead to believe by Motorola's Developer Website that the image sensors used in each the Milestone 2 and Droid 2 Global are identical (as is most all of the componentry used in the phones), by nature of there being no differences in the six lines of specifications listed under the "Camera" category on each of the phone's spec sheets. It's unfortunate Motorola has not seen fit to post the precise specifications of the sensors themselves.
And so I implore this knowledgeable community to yet point me in the correct direction of a satisfying answer--whether proving the image sensor in my D2G is different than that of a Milestone 2 and isn't technically capable of capturing 720p video, or providing me with a more positive solution.
many thanks,
Benjamin
I am curious a well. Developers pay little attention to such a great phone
I believe it has a lot to do with the hype. Droid X, Original Droid and Droid 2 get a lot more attention from Motorola and Developers. Noticed the number of ROMs for the D2G, not D2 ports. Updates roll pretty slow for the D2G as well.
Even if the D2G is capable of recording 720P videos, Motorola has to remember that the D2G exists and Verizon must approve of such updates and the company pushing out the update must not screw up.
OR XDA devs with an ugly duckling(D2G in this case), can make the very few owners of a D2G happy by finding a way to help us record 720P. Somewhat pointless at this point when everyone is targeting 1080P.
Don't you just hate how Android fragmentation makes 2-months old devices look like dinosaurs?
Rusty is correct, But there is much more than just the camera sensor involved. The Video SubSystem also has a lot to do with the ability of a camera to create trup 720P video.
It does however start with the camera sensor. the resolution of the CMOS determines the Native capabilities.
The sensor must be able to resolve enough pixels to make a true 720P (1280X720).
Anything less would not be a true 720P capture. That doesn't mean a phone could not then upconvert it to a 720P format which is what I expect the Milestone and Dx do via it's video subsystem if the cameras CMOS' are actually the same.
It's not true 720P as it really does not have the true resolution of a native 720P capture it is merely scaled to 720P by adding pixels (based on the pixels that surround it) and creating a 720P output from (ie) a WVGA capture.
Its kind of the same thing as DVD player with 1080P Upconvert does.
The DVD is really a 720 X 480 source that is scaled to 1080P but you get no extra detail from the original in that scalling.
Thanks to all who have replied thus far. Your responses have painted a clearer picture for me of what is necessary to capture 720p video in general, and why it's not currently possible to do so with the Droid 2 Global.
Asphynx:
It's not true 720P as it really does not have the true resolution of a native 720P capture it is merely scaled to 720P by adding pixels (based on the pixels that surround it) and creating a 720P output from (ie) a WVGA capture.
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This makes sense, and I'm glad you brought this issue to light. I'd be extremely interested to know if the Milestone 2 does in fact capture video in this manner, rather than native 720p! If that is in fact the case, I'd be happy to just keep capturing in 720x480 with my D2G, and then upscale in post. (I'd imagine the superior power of a desktop's cpu, coupled with the correct video-editing software, could do a damn-sight better job of upscaling the video than a phone anyway.)
Neurotica:
XDA devs with an ugly duckling(D2G in this case), can make the very few owners of a D2G happy by finding a way to help us record 720P
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I realize all too well that the D2G is an oft looked-over phone on the developing scene. And it's an outright shame. It's such a powerful, flexible phone; and when running the Fission 2.4.3 ROM, I find it hard to believe there's a better phone available on the market currently--to serve my needs at least.
I implore the talented developers of this forum to unlock the potential of the Droid 2 Global's hardware (if it does indeed exist) to allow video capture at 720p, using the Milestone 2 as a reference. You'd make a very happy man out of me indeed, and as it would seem, many others.
Thanks to all again for their time attending to my questions.
-Benjamin
It would be great if someone could make D2G work on CDMA and GSM network simultaneously as MOTOROLA XT800+ can (only for Chinese market).
I am looking for its radio to try it on my D2G
any ideas from your side guys?
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Originally Posted by Iff
Turns out 720p recording is even simpler than I thought. Assuming you're using Motorola's camera app and not the stock one, all you have to do is open /system/build.prop and find this line near the bottom:
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ro.media.capture.maxres=5m
Change it to
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ro.media.capture.maxres=8m
Then reboot your phone. After that, go to Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications, find the Camera app in the All tab, force stop it if it's running and Clear Data and 720p video ready for you.
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Originally Posted by Iff
Turns out 720p recording is even simpler than I thought. Assuming you're using Motorola's camera app and not the stock one, all you have to do is open /system/build.prop and find this line near the bottom:
Code:
ro.media.capture.maxres=5m
Change it to
Code:
ro.media.capture.maxres=8m
Then reboot your phone. After that, go to Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications, find the Camera app in the All tab, force stop it if it's running and Clear Data and 720p video ready for you.
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It can't be as simple as that. There is a lot more involved than just editing the build prop.
• Sent from my HD-II running HyperDroid GBX-12
Thank you very much helizus for your contribution towards solving this issue. However, I can confirm that although editing the "build.prop" as described will alter the Camera app to include menu settings that allow the selection of a option to film in "High Definition (720p)," the application will in fact crash once the Record button is pressed with the aforementioned HD setting selected. Neurotica was right to be doubtful.
Surely altering software in attempts to make use of hardware that doesn't exist is not the answer to this issue--
It may not make sense to tell a Droid 2 Global that it has the 8-megapixel camera of a Droid X in an attempt to trick it into filming in 720p, but let's be clear in understanding, that is not to say the D2G's 5-megapixel camera isn't sufficient to do the job. After all, the Milestone 2 makes do with its 5-megapixel camera.
THERE MUST BE A WAY TO FILM @720p WITH MY D2G!
...my enthusiasm to find an answer is getting the better of me. Apologies.
This answer becomes all the more frustratingly absent now that I actually have a menu on my phone depicting its elusive ability to capture video in HD.
-Benjamin
Here is the video recorded by D2G on Liberty. mediafire.com/file/dirwzhsti51r3ey/VID_20110416_162801.mp4
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So the reason why it worked for helizus is maybe because he is running Liberty in his D2G?
Hey everyone, I'm getting tired of being ignored on this forum so I'm asking here now. Can I run a Droid 2 Gingerbread Rom on my Droid 2 Global? I know that there's a patch out there that I can apply but, will it work or not because no one has mentioned this that I can find and I've been looking for two weeks.
I posted this question last night and have been ignored and not answered as well.
Thanks for the help any one who answers me here.
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Hey everyone, I'm getting tired of being ignored on this forum so I'm asking here now. Can I run a Droid 2 Gingerbread Rom on my Droid 2 Global? I know that there's a patch out there that I can apply but, will it work or not because no one has mentioned this that I can find and I've been looking for two weeks.
I posted this question last night and have been ignored and not answered as well.
Thanks for the help any one who answers me here.
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It is not nice to hijack others threads, but let me answer your question: no, you cannot run D2 Gingerbread on your Droid 2 global (A956).
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Thank you very much helizus for your contribution towards solving this issue. However, I can confirm that although editing the "build.prop" as described will alter the Camera app to include menu settings that allow the selection of a option to film in "High Definition (720p)," the application will in fact crash once the Record button is pressed with the aforementioned HD setting selected. Neurotica was right to be doubtful.
Surely altering software in attempts to make use of hardware that doesn't exist is not the answer to this issue--
It may not make sense to tell a Droid 2 Global that it has the 8-megapixel camera of a Droid X in an attempt to trick it into filming in 720p, but let's be clear in understanding, that is not to say the D2G's 5-megapixel camera isn't sufficient to do the job. After all, the Milestone 2 makes do with its 5-megapixel camera.
THERE MUST BE A WAY TO FILM @720p WITH MY D2G!
...my enthusiasm to find an answer is getting the better of me. Apologies.
This answer becomes all the more frustratingly absent now that I actually have a menu on my phone depicting its elusive ability to capture video in HD.
-Benjamin
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actually it is pretty simple just install Liberty 2.0.1 and then the romer you can find it at droidforums.net look it up around when you have those 2 things installed you dont have to touch the build.prop because you should be able to record 720p
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I think you are all missing the point regarding 720.
You can easily create a 720P file in any device but unless you are capturing it in that native resolution all you are actually doing is taking a low res capture and scaling it into a higher res format with none of the actual resolution of the 720P standard.
It's like up-converting an SD 16X9 video into 1080P. Sure the file shows as a 1080P file but the resolution is still Standard Def with some sides cut off and the pixels that was once one now shown as 4!
You are mixing up file format with actual resolution.
If you take a picture that has only 345,600 Pixels of resolution you can convert it to a file that displays with 921,600 Pixels of resolution but those extra pixels do not actually make the picture better! Just uses 2.6 pixels per original piece of data!
It's basically data and you can't create data that doesn't really exist.
32 is the same number in 32 Bit as it is in 64 bit. Converting it to 64 bit doesn't make it any more precise than it was as a 32 Bit integer.
It similar with what this boot.prop trick is doing.
Yes it saves a file that says it is 720P. But it;s nothing more than the standard resolution you had before in a 720 display format. It ddn't add resolution it merely doubled the same bad resolution you started with.
Look at it next to a TRUE 720P Native capture and you will see the difference.
hey guys,
I am considering buying a sensation phone, but what bothers me is that the screen resolution is different from the standard 800x480px in all current smartphones.
will the sensation phone be the only one using that resolution?
will samsung build new displays with even higher resolutions?
and considering these questions: will all the apps you daily use be optimized for that high resolution? or will there be graphical glitches everytime you install a software not optimized for that screen resolution?
i dont want to buy a phone that has unique high screen resolution with noone apart from sense 3.0 and a browser profiting by using it.
tell me what you think about these things!
thanks!
So far, most apps I've tried work perfectly. The only one I know off the top of my head is Robot Unicorn Attack, it seems to only display it at the 800x480 resolution and the rest of the screen is black
is there some kind of scaling mechanism?
I guess it all depends on how the app is coded. Such as using relative values rather than absolute.
Basically, Angry Birds runs fullscreen, my piano app works great, but Robot Unicorn attack was the only one I tried which doesn't run in fullscreen.
Some of the carrier apps on my phone to check balance and what not look a bit pixelated on the graphics though.
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I guess it all depends on how the app is coded. Such as using relative values rather than absolute.
Basically, Angry Birds runs fullscreen, my piano app works great, but Robot Unicorn attack was the only one I tried which doesn't run in fullscreen.
Some of the carrier apps on my phone to check balance and what not look a bit pixelated on the graphics though.
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Groupon and Open Table are my only issues, but just visual problems. They run well otherwise.
All 102 apps i got work fine.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App
I have heard a lot about how very often an android developer will need to adjust their app for different devices with different screen sizes or resolutions or graphics cards.
How come it is possible that an app can work perfectly on whatever device they are testing on and crash on another?
How come it isn't like Windows? In Windows you can develop one program and expect it to run on any pc no matter what graphics card it uses or processor or screen resolution or size of the screen.
I most recently read about this issue on Mika Mobile's blog regarding Battleheart for Android.
I understand that this may not be a simple answer and may end up being very detailed, but I welcome that.
because unlike pcs mobile phone companies ***** and moan about every component in there device ie the patent wars that are going on. with pc's you make it as compatible as you can nearly every game uses direct x so if your a hardware manufacture you make sure your components run with direct x if you dont your products wont sell. mobile phone companies dont do this they seem to try make there phones as uncompilable with other phones as they possibly can
In Windows you can develop one program and expect it to run on any pc no matter what graphics card it uses or processor or screen resolution or size of the screen.
I most recently read about this issue on Mika Mobile's blog regarding Battleheart for Android.
I understand that this may not be a simple answer and may end up being very detailed, but I welcome that.
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That's not really correct many windows programs work only at set resolutions, meaning if your screen is lower res parts of the interface are out of sight.
Dave
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Does anyone encounters an issue where the app doesn't support the increased resolution provided by the tablet? I was just reading a cNet review and an example given was the marvel comics app. I'm not really interested in using the tablet for productivity. It's more of media consumption device and playing simple games like plants vs zombies.
And I won't buy tegra games as that locks me in. Thanks
Most of the apps that aren't supported, will work if they are sideloaded. They will not be high resolution though, and may not scale properly.
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Most of the apps that aren't supported, will work if they are sideloaded. They will not be high resolution though, and may not scale properly.
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since 1920x1200 is not common (I've only seen 3 tablets using it), does that mean most apps won't display it properly? just somehow doubt devs will be updating their apps for something that is not common.
Yes, some apps will not display like should, but most of them will work. Some devs are working on updating their apps, but the majority still use low resolution displays.
Since most devs only make their apps for phones any HD tablet will have issues with the resolution. Most of them are also too stupid/lazy/arrogant to use proper scaling..
I especially 'love' the idiots who make an app for the iPad, and then convert it for android, and the android app doesn't support higher resolutions than a crappy 720....
Lots of disappointing crapplications in Google Play or Amazon apps.
Me usually tries to stick to HD versions like Office Pro HD.
Try searching "HD" in play...you'll get over 63000 app results.
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Thats OK said:
Lots of disappointing crapplications in Google Play or Amazon apps.
Me usually tries to stick to HD versions like Office Pro HD.
Try searching "HD" in play...you'll get over 63000 app results.
Coming from the ground up
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just tried your suggestion and currently on page 6. Most of the search results are for wallpaper HD...
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just tried your suggestion and currently on page 6. Most of the search results are for wallpaper HD...
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Yup,
Wallpapers are easy to "develop" lol...
Sometimes when cruising the store the good app builders offer trial HD versions of the free versions.
Not most...a few do.
Back in June this year there was hardly anything HD wise.
Coming from the ground up
Was very interested in getting an infinity but this lack of apps that will use the resolution and the lack of apps with UI optimized for tablets is what's holding me back. try again next year I guess