I am starting a summer internship next week at a company that doesn't allow cameras. I need to permanently disable the camera. What's the best way? My thought was black epoxy. I've only ever done one before, but it was a crappy flip phone so I just took tools to it until I managed to break the camera, not doing that on the Cappy.
It isn't difficult to disassemble the captivate and remove the camera altogether. The you would just have to contend with the opening.
How strict are they and how do they enforce the policy? Can you just uninstall or freeze the camera software so it can't function? If you use a cover for it, can you permanently seal the camera opening?
Yes, I know there are easy ways for you to still take a picture, but is it enough to show a "good faith" attempt to disable it?
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Might be able to spray some plasti-dip on the lens (after masking everything else off) to cover it up semi-permanently. It won't come off until you try to peel it off and wont let a residue. Pretty much this: http://pocketnow.com/android/diy-soft-touch-rubberized-nexus-s-backing except not the whole back of course.
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I am starting a summer internship next week at a company that doesn't allow cameras. I need to permanently disable the camera. What's the best way? My thought was black epoxy. I've only ever done one before, but it was a crappy flip phone so I just took tools to it until I managed to break the camera, not doing that on the Cappy.
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Oh Man Sounds like someone is working at pfizers lol. If that is the case, The last time i was there for the same thing, epoxy wont work, I had to use a phone that didnt have a camera built in at all. I would double check just to be sure. would hate for you to do all this and then not be able to use it there anyway.
DaveyBB said:
How strict are they and how do they enforce the policy? Can you just uninstall or freeze the camera software so it can't function? If you use a cover for it, can you permanently seal the camera opening?
Yes, I know there are easy ways for you to still take a picture, but is it enough to show a "good faith" attempt to disable it?
Sent from my Cappy.
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No, they won't allow a software change, but on the other hand, in fact it has to still work so that they can check that the camera can't see anything.
I don't want to physically remove the camera, as I've heard phone software can freak out when a camera isn't there, and it would be a lot easier if I can still go into the Camera app and show them that it doesn't work.
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Oh Man Sounds like someone is working at pfizers lol. If that is the case, The last time i was there for the same thing, epoxy wont work, I had to use a phone that didnt have a camera built in at all. I would double check just to be sure. would hate for you to do all this and then not be able to use it there anyway.
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Guess again. This company does allow cameras that are permanently physically disabled. I've worked for them before. My plan is to sell the phone inside of the company at the end of the summer, already security approved, and put that towards an SGSII with another line's subsidy.
Pfizer is absurd, they are a private company doing private work and have no legitimate reason to block cameras. My employer does have very legitimate reasons.
why do u disable camera?
Usually secure sites wont even let you take devices with cameras in. You cant just say "Oh its disabled" and they allow the phone in. What about swapping sim cards to a difference device?
Private companys do this to prevent industrial espionage among other things.
But yeah this is a market the phone makers ignore. A galaxy s variant or droid with no camera would sell to the government/high tech sector.
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No, they won't allow a software change, but on the other hand, in fact it has to still work so that they can check that the camera can't see anything.
I don't want to physically remove the camera, as I've heard phone software can freak out when a camera isn't there, and it would be a lot easier if I can still go into the Camera app and show them that it doesn't work.
Guess again. This company does allow cameras that are permanently physically disabled. I've worked for them before. My plan is to sell the phone inside of the company at the end of the summer, already security approved, and put that towards an SGSII with another line's subsidy.
Pfizer is absurd, they are a private company doing private work and have no legitimate reason to block cameras. My employer does have very legitimate reasons.
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They have a very good reason for it and the reason is dumb people. To be honest I wold be happy they are allowing you to have the phone. Like Foxwoods there are many reasons people have no need to have their phone while at work to begin with. Well I hope you find a way to kill it but juts be warned that if you do disable the camera on a perm basis you will drop the value of your phone by ALOT!
it's 6 screws on the back, open the usb port, then disconnect and remove the camera from the unit entirely without the use of a tool. Opening the phone is not difficult and you should just be careful and use the smallest cross-tip and flathead available
I would just get a cheap flip phone to use while at work and swap the SIM card from phone to phone. Then you don't have to mess up your cappy and can leave out in the car while at work. You could get a cheap used one on ebay for less than ten bucks.
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sethjamto said:
I would just get a cheap flip phone to use while at work and swap the SIM card from phone to phone. Then you don't have to mess up your cappy and can leave out in the car while at work. You could get a cheap used one on ebay for less than ten bucks.
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Bingo. Hell, i'm sure you or someone you know has a Razor laying around.
tquang620 said:
why do u disable camera?
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Why don't you read the original post? The company is military-industrial.
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Usually secure sites wont even let you take devices with cameras in. You cant just say "Oh its disabled" and they allow the phone in. What about swapping sim cards to a difference device?
Private companys do this to prevent industrial espionage among other things.
But yeah this is a market the phone makers ignore. A galaxy s variant or droid with no camera would sell to the government/high tech sector.
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This company's policy is that you have to demonstrate the camera is disabled. They used to not allow cameraphones, but they realized somewhere along the line that was a losing battle.
If they don't have a camera, they are not able to be certified for the Android market, so they can't sell one. Apple wouldn't do an iPhone because they are Apple, and that leaves RIM with the extremely boring Bold 9000. Yawn.
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They have a very good reason for it and the reason is dumb people. To be honest I wold be happy they are allowing you to have the phone. Like Foxwoods there are many reasons people have no need to have their phone while at work to begin with. Well I hope you find a way to kill it but juts be warned that if you do disable the camera on a perm basis you will drop the value of your phone by ALOT!
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Yeah, the policy is a lot better than what they used to have, as there's not much out there with no camera. I understand why they do it, as it's a matter of national security, BUT pfizer is not an asset to national security, they are just a paranoid company apparently.
Foxwoods?
It's not worth that much anyways. I want to sell it within the company, so that would be a feature, not a drawback haha.
AdamOutler said:
it's 6 screws on the back, open the usb port, then disconnect and remove the camera from the unit entirely without the use of a tool. Opening the phone is not difficult and you should just be careful and use the smallest cross-tip and flathead available
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I can check and see if they will let me do that, but I don't think so, as it could be re-installed. I think it has to be something like Epoxy. I was asking if anyone had any better ideas....
sethjamto said:
I would just get a cheap flip phone to use while at work and swap the SIM card from phone to phone. Then you don't have to mess up your cappy and can leave out in the car while at work. You could get a cheap used one on ebay for less than ten bucks.
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I already have three phones that are allowed to go to work. They are all POS phones. LG C1300, Nokia 2610, and Moto V557 (camera disabled). SIM swapping for the weekend is a PITA.
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Why don't you read the original post? The company is military-industrial.
If they don't have a camera, they are not able to be certified for the Android market, so they can't sell one. Apple wouldn't do an iPhone because they are Apple, and that leaves RIM with the extremely boring Bold 9000. Yawn.
Yeah, the policy is a lot better than what they used to have, as there's not much out there with no camera. I understand why they do it, as it's a matter of national security, BUT pfizer is not an asset to national security, they are just a paranoid company apparently.
Foxwoods?
It's not worth that much anyways. I want to sell it within the company, so that would be a feature, not a drawback haha.
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Hmm military huh well that slims it down. SOunds like EB to me. I know they have a contract with ATT like most of the Bases and what not in CT. ATT offers most high end smart phones without a camera for just this type of work. Had to order one when i started working for them myself. As for better ideas, I would ok the epoxy idea with security first as it should be ok but who knows. As for Pfizer being not a security issue, that I would have to disagree with. The Bio-Medical plant in New London is closely watched by the Gov for a reason.
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Hmm military huh well that slims it down. SOunds like EB to me. I know they have a contract with ATT like most of the Bases and what not in CT. ATT offers most high end smart phones without a camera for just this type of work. Had to order one when i started working for them myself. As for better ideas, I would ok the epoxy idea with security first as it should be ok but who knows. As for Pfizer being not a security issue, that I would have to disagree with. The Bio-Medical plant in New London is closely watched by the Gov for a reason.
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Maaaaybe. The only thing they have to buy is the BB 9000. They may have somewhere that removes cameras and certifies them or something. I am going to check with security, but as far as I know now, the policy is the same as last year (what I described above). You make me want to be scared of Pfizer haha.
The epoxy is the best I can think of. Any better ideas?
I wonder if you could etch the lens with something like hydrofluoric acid from a glass etching kit?
(Disclaimer: I have not tried this and hydrofluoric acid is nasty, nasty ****.)
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Maaaaybe. The only thing they have to buy is the BB 9000. They may have somewhere that removes cameras and certifies them or something. I am going to check with security, but as far as I know now, the policy is the same as last year (what I described above). You make me want to be scared of Pfizer haha.
The epoxy is the best I can think of. Any better ideas?
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That may be the best one they have at the moment. I know ATT and HTC work closely together on it as most of the camera less models were all HTC. Had a tilt 2 without a camera lol. your epoxy might be your best shot.
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If they don't have a camera, they are not able to be certified for the Android market, so they can't sell one.
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I was not aware of this. Has google never heard of security? They are really dropping the ball here. Its not about paranoia. Just because something is not a matter of national security, doesn't mean you want photos of unreleased products leaking, etc.
To be constructive, since instructions to take the camera out of the phone have been posted. What about taking it out, spray painting it and reinstalling?
I'm thinking they won't accept that either... There's still audio recording. Also, the phone has the ability to act as a flash drive. Also, the phone can transfer documents over the cell network. Also, the phone can connect and run in promiscuous mode on a wifi network.
If they're truly concerned about security, those are risks. The camera is only one function.
I would find a hard care like the otter box commuter that has the camera hole cut out and its pretty deep. Then id put a piece of paper between the phone and the silicon inside the case. Put the hard case on and fill the whole with a epoxy/bondo. Once it dries just sand it down and respray the hard case with the phone out. No one will know.
Simply autobody lol.
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does anyone know if there is / will be a cameraless version of the Touch Pro? Or any of the newer phones that is... Treo Pro, Omnia, Diamond, etc... I'm still stuck at Hermes level by Cingular. Does AT&T still make versions without cameras?
Why do you want a camera less version? Why not just get the normal one and not use the camera?
Because he works in a place (or goes to a school) where camera's are prohibited, due to there being sensitive documents (or children) about.
Maybe it helps,when you put a piece of sticky tape on the camera chip under the cover disable camera icon in album,turn off touchflo and delete camera shortcut from programs,so all access to camera app will be disabled. If someone will ask,if you are able to take pictures with it,just give him for a test to take the picture. Or make a small triangle from black plastics and stick it on the alluminium one. Yes,but what with the 3G camera?
Thats correct. A place where cars are around that noone has seen yet. A camera would cost me my job, not even a cameraphone with deactivated camera is allowed. So the AT&T (or until now Cingular) phones where great, because I could show them, they are *manufactured* without camera (though I know the modul is just pulled inside and a black cover where the lens was). Of course it's a real pita to find those on ebay, and from someone that ships to germany too
Mercedes, BMW or Audi I wonder
@TomasNM: in case they ask, I have to prove that the phone was manufactured without camera, i.e. you can order or buy it somewhere. Of course I can fake the camera be gone, but when I have a HTC something for example, I need to be able to show that there is one without camera (like nokia E51 for example).
@NLS: Audi.
there's quite a demand for phones without camera, but it's more or less ignored by companys. Only one so far besides Nokia I know is Cingular, and that was only because they couldn't get their video network to work
Yes,I was in april at BMW in Germany for a bussinesstrip. Everywhere is taking photos strictly disallowed,but I needed some to take(of ours machine for documentation),so I just did it with Olympus camera,not only with HTC Hurricane(my bussiness phone). Everybody thought,I am crazy,but I didn't care. Hahaha. Sorry La....ut. Anyway,our machines are for the welding of already-known parts of BMWs and my pictures was without those parts,so no secret things goes out(if someone wants to ask).
BMW is quite easy on cameras, and in Audi manufacturing part noone cares also (everyone I know that works there has a cameraphone). Though I work in the technical development area, and it's quite different there... There are several cases of termination of work contract...
Considering how difficult it is to get a phone now that doesnt have a camera. Cant you just explain the situation with your boss?
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Thats correct. A place where cars are around that noone has seen yet. A camera would cost me my job, not even a cameraphone with deactivated camera is allowed. So the AT&T (or until now Cingular) phones where great, because I could show them, they are *manufactured* without camera (though I know the modul is just pulled inside and a black cover where the lens was). Of course it's a real pita to find those on ebay, and from someone that ships to germany too
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Pictures, or it didn't happen!
LOL, J/K
What about physically removing the camera and making a little cover to cover the hole. Ive heard of people doing that. Ive also heard there are companies that will do it for you if you don't have the skills. When I worked at 3M it was worse,we simply were not allowed to have phones of any kind in the plant at all. At our plant,we had could have them in the offices,up front but not in the actual manufacturing facility.
If I did that with say,my mogul,I think I would get one of the 3rd party extended batteries with the cover that doesnt have the markings that indicate there is a camera. That way,I would have a phone,with no camera,and a little plastic or rubber plug over a hole,where there is no camera. (rubber plug might be better,that way if someone really thought there was a camera,you could pull out the plug and show them,nothing there. )
There will be a cameraless version, why is everyone douvting it? The 8125, 8525, and Tilt all have had cameraless counterparts.
I'm not doubting, I have asked the bad thing about it, is you have to wait ~2 generations of phones until they pop up on ebay....
(and explaining such a situation to the boss of 30.000 ppl that you maybe saw once on TV is a bit difficult)
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What about physically removing the camera and making a little cover to cover the hole. Ive heard of people doing that.
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There are some Qteks around, with pushmail and everything, but only for upper management. They just have a sticker on the camera, but they are registered with numbers. Also there's a department that has camera phones in an isolated area, those are the ppl that work on bluetooth in the car etc., but again everything registered. Since I'm external, i.e. working for a company that works for that company, there's no way to get in a situation to be *allowed* to have a secured camera phone.
I the case of the Touch Pro there are 2 cameras that need to be removed / disabled, making it even more difficult to do oneself to the satisfaction required.
Ill send you my Nokia 2110.... and in return I get a pic of the RS8?
no need for the nokia
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_-_produkte/hxcms_article_504320_14204.hbs
NutsyUK said:
Considering how difficult it is to get a phone now that doesnt have a camera. Cant you just explain the situation with your boss?
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HP Ipaq 614. Not as cool as the Rapahel, but still a reasonable phone. Without any camera!
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Hi all,
Guys i work in a company were camera cell phones are not allowed. However the security guys are not updated on technology they check if there is camera that can be seen visibly. So what iam thinking is if there is a back cover or some case which i can use to hide camera slot. We cannot even use stickers. So is there any such covers or cases already or like made to order sites.
Guys would be glad to hear any other suggestions. Thanks in advance.
Dont risk losing your job for a cell phone? Get a cheap dumb phone for when your at work.
Yeah, 99% of the phone cases will have cutout for camera, so all I can just say the same as the previous poster. Get some dumb mobile with yourself, and show that instead! Leave the other hidden in your pants!
Must be Patni, crap company.
Join better company.
I thank all you guys. A dumb phone - maybe that is just what i need to do.
electrical tape or duct tape.
shawn_pro said:
I thank all you guys. A dumb phone - maybe that is just what i need to do.
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If there's such a thing as multi-SIM, I would suggest getting it.
Where I am, there's also restrictions, so got a dumb phone and keep it in the car. When going into the building, I switch off my GS and use the dump phone during office hours.
Same here, i have a duo sim subscription as 2 of our clients and suppliers have no-camera policies. Can't go wrong that way.
Saw this and got curious. Is it possible to get two sims that are the same, so you can have two phones that both get calls and sms'es? Thought it wasn't possible, but would surely be cool if it was.
Just put some fine black tape over the camera and put the back case back over it ? plain and simple
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look for a SE C902. have a hidden camera...it`s for you...
I know this is a weird request, but does anyone know where I might get a Nexus One battery cover that doesn't have the camera opening?
Cameras are not allowed where I work, and I can't imagine going a whole day using a dumbphone.
Will that actually work though?
They could claim you could just pop the cover off and then your camera would work again. You'd essentially be smuggling a camera in... which I'm guessing if you work some place that doesn't allow camera phones in the first place, this would be an even bigger no no.
a thing like that would be just so senseless, it simply can not exist
three words: do it yourself (or: get a new job )
Facilities with classified data/information/materials will not allow cameras. Getting a battery cover without the opening for the camera will not be conducive to the possibility of keeping your job. Co-workers will ask about what phone you have. They will Google. They will find out that it does have a camera. I would definitely just stick to a blackberry in your situation, it's not worth losing your job.
That being said, the camera is raised. A flat battery cover will not fit. A battery cover that is not flat will appear suspicious and awkward.
Call HTC and ask for a camera - less Nexus One.
If you don't mind voiding your warranty, open it up and remove the camera temporarily. It shouldn't be too hard to do.
But yeah, it's not worth losing your job over. Just get a rubbish little work phone.
My friend says that the sliding mechanism is a hinge and that if you were to drop it, the screen and keyboard will come apart. I was wondering if this were true. She said that's why she went with the 3G Slide....
that's always a possibility, i suppose, but maybe she's thinking of the g2? i know that there was a lot of talk about the z-hinge and how flimsy and loose it became with normal use.
I don't think so, I told her that I was planning on getting this phone and she was like "NOOOOO,, don't get it, if you drop it, it'll break into two pieces!!!!" She is currently trying to convince me that the 3G Slide is better. I disagree
totally agree with you. i guess, to each their own... even if they're wrong...
what kind of hinge is it? i was reading that the hinge was like....you could push each end of the phone and like it would go up. im saying like it could do that. for example, moving it up on the left a little then the right etc.... i dunno if that makes sense....
i know what you're saying. like each side of the hinge would move independently instead of moving together, in tandem. mine wiggles a tiny bit in between lock positions (opened/closed), but there's no reason i can think of to not have it either completely opened or closed. it's sturdy in those positions. it's a pretty solid phone and i'm pretty hard on phones. there's no more reason to be more worried about this particular phone, rather than any other phone, breaking in any way.
I use to have a 3G slide and now have a 4G Slide. The 3G slide is a good phone but very weak. The slide on the 4G Slide is like the 3G Slide but definately more solid.
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that's always a possibility, i suppose, but maybe she's thinking of the g2? i know that there was a lot of talk about the z-hinge and how flimsy and loose it became with normal use.
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That one's true. The hinge to my G2 got loose as it got older and now it's a backup phone.
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There is a little bit of play to the sliding mechanism, but it feels pretty solid.
If you had any idea how many times a day I slide it in and out - I still stubbornly use the hardware keyboard for all of my terminal work, and slide it in to get the soft keyboard for the / key, then slide it back out to type in more of the command.
You can imagine how often I slide the keyboard in and out on the phone at this point - significantly above average use.
I've had it for just over 5 months, at least half of that time was round-the-clock dev time directly interacting with the device.
HTC makes a good phone - still works great and I haven't noticed any seperation or loosening of the slide mechanism in the time i've been putting it through an elevated level of use.
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Any device that is not one solid piece has the potential to split apart if you drop it.
Unless you routinely abuse your device, or just don't care enough to take care of it ... it should not be a concern.
I break an average of one a month flip-phones on my verizon plan...drop it off a roof, into a bucket of paint, gets crushed in my pocket or I just get vent some frustration by smashing it against a wall or something.
( It took me a long time to get to the cell phone thing because I honestly dislike phones. I have incoming calls blocked on my T-Mo plan - which is probably why I still have my doubleshot in one piece - lmao. To me this device is an anywhere computer, I don't do phone calls or text messaging with it. )
But those flip phones are the cheapest ones I can get, no data or anything crazy, just basic talk. If you treat this device like one of those p.o.s. handsets, it won't last long...none of them will.
I recommend a case for it - I use the trident one because it's soft and absorbs shock which further insulates it from problems like we are discussing.
Definitely get insurance on it if you don't already, it's expensive enough to warrant it if you do have to replace it because of an accident.
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There is a little bit of play to the sliding mechanism, but it feels pretty solid.
If you had any idea how many times a day I slide it in and out - I still stubbornly use the hardware keyboard for all of my terminal work, and slide it in to get the soft keyboard for the / key, then slide it back out to type in more of the command.
You can imagine how often I slide the keyboard in and out on the phone at this point - significantly above average use.
I've had it for just over 5 months, at least half of that time was round-the-clock dev time directly interacting with the device.
HTC makes a good phone - still works great and I haven't noticed any seperation or loosening of the slide mechanism in the time i've been putting it through an elevated level of use.
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Any device that is not one solid piece has the potential to split apart if you drop it.
Unless you routinely abuse your device, or just don't care enough to take care of it ... it should not be a concern.
I break an average of one a month flip-phones on my verizon plan...drop it off a roof, into a bucket of paint, gets crushed in my pocket or I just get vent some frustration by smashing it against a wall or something.
( It took me a long time to get to the cell phone thing because I honestly dislike phones. I have incoming calls blocked on my T-Mo plan - which is probably why I still have my doubleshot in one piece - lmao. To me this device is an anywhere computer, I don't do phone calls or text messaging with it. )
But those flip phones are the cheapest ones I can get, no data or anything crazy, just basic talk. If you treat this device like one of those p.o.s. handsets, it won't last long...none of them will.
I recommend a case for it - I use the trident one because it's soft and absorbs shock which further insulates it from problems like we are discussing.
Definitely get insurance on it if you don't already, it's expensive enough to warrant it if you do have to replace it because of an accident.
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Blue you should write an app to replace terminal emulator for the mt4gs lol, I dunno how you could possibly deal with that / issue so often.
Anyways. If I dropped this 700 dollar phone and it split in two I would go to tmo and ***** so much that it deserves a free manufacturers warranty. They definitely built this phone very strong and I doubt that this will ever happen unless you take an epic fall and somehow land on the phone with your knee while its open and smash the hell out of it at the perfect angle to snap the hinge or something.
I've dropped this phone many times and its still fine. this phone is heavy duty. And your girlfriend doesn't know what she's talking about. If I threw this phone 50 yards I'm thinking that the hinge would still work, if nothing else did
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The g2 on the other hand, I could see this happening. The keyboard would probably open on that phone from the wind resistance on the way to the ground from your hand.
That phone has a weak hinge
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leoilios said:
Blue you should write an app to replace terminal emulator for the mt4gs lol, I dunno how you could possibly deal with that / issue so often.
Anyways. If I dropped this 700 dollar phone and it split in two I would go to tmo and ***** so much that it deserves a free manufacturers warranty. They definitely built this phone very strong and I doubt that this will ever happen unless you take an epic fall and somehow land on the phone with your knee while its open and smash the hell out of it at the perfect angle to snap the hinge or something.
I've dropped this phone many times and its still fine. this phone is heavy duty. And your girlfriend doesn't know what she's talking about. If I threw this phone 50 yards I'm thinking that the hinge would still work, if nothing else did
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I use "SU File Manager and Terminal". The Terminal Emulator feature in that app works perfectly.
thatlaoboi said:
My friend says that the sliding mechanism is a hinge and that if you were to drop it, the screen and keyboard will come apart. I was wondering if this were true. She said that's why she went with the 3G Slide....
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Your friend bought an old piece of junk and either;
a) knows it and doesn't want you to have something better,
b) kind of knows it and is trying to make excuses to herself.
As a matter of fact, the sliding mechanism on the doubleshot (the REAL name of the phone) is rock solid. There are ZERO hinges in it.
The HTC VISION has hinges "z-hinge", and even that.... ROCK SOLID. I have one, its been dropped, its been flung, its been crushed, NOTHING came apart. The opening/closing action on it is the perfect balance between firm and functional.
I have ZERO complaints about either the Vision OR the Doubleshot. The Doubleshot is the GF's phone BTW, I'm not going to upgrade the Vision until there is an actual benefit from doing so.
Don't fret about the doubleshot's SLIDING mechanism -- its VERY solid.
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The g2 on the other hand, I could see this happening. The keyboard would probably open on that phone from the wind resistance on the way to the ground from your hand.
That phone has a weak hinge
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Spoken like someone who doesn't own one. I *do* own one, and I can attest to this being a completely inaccurate account of the hinge operation on the Vision.
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Spoken like someone who doesn't own one. I *do* own one, and I can attest to this being a completely inaccurate account of the hinge operation on the Vision.
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Ur right, my brother has it. he actually loaded the g2 keyboard with double sided tape and shut the phone so that it will never open again. His phone along with my friend's g2 would open if it was held from the back of the phone and faced the ground.
Maybe what I should have said was loose, not weak. My friend ended up fixing it by getting a new spring for the phone. He rebuilt it and it works great. The stock spring is usually bad out of the box (g2)
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leoilios said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1003310
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Waaaaah WAAAAAAH WAAAAAH.
I happen to actually own one. No modifications to it outside of the software realm. The spring tension on it is exactly perfect and I would ABSOLUTELY NOT like it if the spring was any harder.
The ENTIRE "problem" with the spring on the VISION (which is not a real problem) is related to most of those people who previously had an HTC DREAM. It had BULLDOZER SPRINGS on the screen, so naturally ANYTHING would seem weaker IN COMPARISON.
In fact, the design of HTC VISION doesn't really even need springs to begin with! GRAVITY will hold it in the proper position. The only way it will "randomly open" is if you INTENTIONALLY hold it wrong to prove a pointless point.
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Waaaaah WAAAAAAH WAAAAAH.
I happen to actually own one. No modifications to it outside of the software realm. The spring tension on it is exactly perfect and I would ABSOLUTELY NOT like it if the spring was any harder.
The ENTIRE "problem" with the spring on the VISION (which is not a real problem) is related to most of those people who previously had an HTC DREAM. It had BULLDOZER SPRINGS on the screen, so naturally ANYTHING would seem weaker IN COMPARISON.
In fact, the design of HTC VISION doesn't really even need springs to begin with! GRAVITY will hold it in the proper position. The only way it will "randomly open" is if you INTENTIONALLY hold it wrong to prove a pointless point.
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Hahaha, well what about when ur laying in bed using the keyboard and your screen falls down?
Anyways, not all phones are made the same, maybe your stock spring was on the better side of things.
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Your friend bought an old piece of junk and either;
a) knows it and doesn't want you to have something better,
b) kind of knows it and is trying to make excuses to herself.
As a matter of fact, the sliding mechanism on the doubleshot (the REAL name of the phone) is rock solid. There are ZERO hinges in it.
I have ZERO complaints about either the Vision OR the Doubleshot. The Doubleshot is the GF's phone BTW, I'm not going to upgrade the Vision until there is an actual benefit from doing so.
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Ok so I talked to my friend and I saw the sliding mechanism. I don't really know how to explain it...its like a train on tracks. I don't know if I make sense, but its kinda like that. She seemed pretty convinced the sliding mechanism works on a hinge and is really bad. She told me that's why she went with the 3G Slide. But even though she said that, I still REALLY want this phone. So the phone slides, and is not on a hinge?
BTW I know the real name...I just didn't think of using it
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Ok so I talked to my friend and I saw the sliding mechanism. I don't really know how to explain it...its like a train on tracks. I don't know if I make sense, but its kinda like that. She seemed pretty convinced the sliding mechanism works on a hinge and is really bad. She told me that's why she went with the 3G Slide. But even though she said that, I still REALLY want this phone. So the phone slides, and is not on a hinge?
BTW I know the real name...I just didn't think of using it
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The sliding part of the mt4gs is pro. Get it. This phone is 4 times faster than the 3g slide. If the slider on this phone had issues there would be threads about it. And if anyones 4gs ever split in two pieces on a drop, it would have been posted about on the forums, guaranteed. This is a good phone. The feel of the keyboard is not top notch, but its reliable and durable.
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There is no hinge on this phone. Why can't we just leave it at that? Weird thread...
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SHORT STORY (can be omitted skip to questions):
Well I'm at the point of getting ready to take the charge in for service. It seems I have a termination problem on the main board. My phone shuts off randomly not ROM related but actual hardware (if i bump it it turns off). My battery and phone contacts are clean and making solid contact with each other as well. This brings me to my next observatory task of opening the phone. While I was open in the phone I noticed there was 4 cracks on my chrome rim (probably due to the 10ft drop to solid concrete, just a after thought). So there was no way to take it apart without fully destroying the rim. Which was upsetting because i was looking forward to seeing the beast and trying to solder it back together and\or look into a intuitive\ revolutionary (as apple would put it) way to fix the backlights brightness. Kinda all bummed out and stuff I tried to put the screws back and who would have thunk you had to shrink ray your hands so you could hold the screws. Well trying it with all fat chode like fingers I screw managed to slip from my grasp. It bounce on my hard floor a couple times, followed by that awkward silence where you know should have been a bounce and your still waiting to hear it, but nothing. O.0 So now I am missing a screw...
To the point questions\ concerns:
1. Can I bring this to tech support to ultimately get a refurb (huh), with out a screw? Or do I have to take my sammy Rogue (yea that "feature" phone) apart and steal one of it's screw and paint it black (there is a little difference in the screw probably will strip the phone).
2. Beside the obvious return to stock and PIT blah blah blah. Is there anything I need to do? Like trim my memory card b\c of the folders that say ROMS,KERNELS,MODs, etc... I don't plan on giving the card to them unless they ask for it.
3. I should probably mention, that the battery is starting to get so hot i cant hold it sometimes. and have to take it out and find some kind of heat sink to cool it. This has happened mainly when charging but has happened when idling and on stand by too.
4. should I call them or take it in? Which would prove better results in getting a refurbished or new phone? (either way I don't expect much from these sexist bastards that can't appreciate a good looking male, seems like you need to have some boobs and a nice ass to get new phones from VW)
5. chances in switching phones? I love the charge. (even though there aren't many roms\tweaks, the developers that have past through have been outstanding, even when some of them didn't have a charge) I don't love the fact I paid full released price and 2 weeks later it is $200 cheaper and they pretty much decided they don't love us (although GB and talk of ics is nice) I'm sure verizon very much wants to abort the charge.
Call verizon. Explain to them your situation. Let them know your phone is constantly rebooting. You've tried checking battery, hard reseting device, and everything else you could think of. Ask for a warranty replacement as you were given a defective device.
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Are you out of your 1 year manufactures warranty?
and as for question 4 i would just call...forget takin it in..just tell them you dont have the time..they should send one if your still within your 1 years manufacture warranty that is...
You just call Verizon and give them a reason where they can't help to fix over the phone, they will give you a replacement. In my case, I think something wrong with my phone cause it drain battery like crazy and I just want another one. I told them the screen is not respond to my touch anymore. I have to hit 4/5 times before it registered. That's it I got a new one.
I believe it still is within the manufactures first year. I got it just before we lost unlimited data. I guess I will call them then.
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I believe it still is within the manufactures first year. I got it just before we lost unlimited data. I guess I will call them then.
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Thats your best bet. Im sure they'll ship you a new device. Keep us posted.
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I believe it still is within the manufactures first year. I got it just before we lost unlimited data. I guess I will call them then.
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Yeah for sure..Call ASAP before you get the update with the diagnostic tool.. Then they can say no there is nothing wrong on their end and not send you one. Just call and complain about the phone rebooting randomly (and cant create the problem, it just happens) and that you want them to send you another cause you didnt pay $$$ for a device to do this blah blah blah... then say you tired factory wipe and everything and your fed up and want a replacement...shouldnt be a problem at all...and again if they say go to the store tell them to PISS OFF you dont have the time for that..let us kno how it turns out
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usually when i call verizon they say we cant do anything b\c you are not the account holder regardless if the account holder is sitting next to me and i know their SSN#, account info, any other personal id... I will try tomorrow after work b\c i'm too tired to put up with b\s after work and i'll probably get a camel jocky for my representative
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Dude you're funny. I hope you get your replacement. Oh and I think any SD card would do.
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scarygood536 said:
usually when i call verizon they say we cant do anything b\c you are not the account holder regardless if the account holder is sitting next to me and i know their SSN#, account info, any other personal id... I will try tomorrow after work b\c i'm too tired to put up with b\s after work and i'll probably get a camel jocky for my representative
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lol..call in to Verizon (611) and tell them that you (your name) need to added to the account and create a password for the account..i am not the primary account holder on my ****, my mom is. So I had my name put on the account and had a password created so now reps ask for the pass i give it to them and we move on to the problem...
EDIT:if they still give you a problem about adding a name then have the primary caller call 611 and tell them to add your name so you dont have to go thru stuff like this..
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lol..call in to Verizon (611) and tell them that you (your name) need to added to the account and create a password for the account..i am not the primary account holder on my ****, my mom is. So I had my name put on the account and had a password created so now reps ask for the pass i give it to them and we move on to the problem...
EDIT:if they still give you a problem about adding a name then have the primary caller call 611 and tell them to add your name so you dont have to go thru stuff like this..
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Lol for me my dad is the account holder but he doesn't know how to do anything so I am the account manager. On their website it says that the account manager has full access to the account, so you could just log into the primary's My Verizon and make yourself a manager.
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While I was open in the phone I noticed there was 4 cracks on my chrome rim (probably due to the 10ft drop to solid concrete, just a after thought). So there was no way to take it apart without fully destroying the rim....So now I am missing a screw...
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So, you dropped your phone on concrete with enough force to damage the internals (which I'm guessing is the cause of all the problems), disassembled it and lost a screw in the process, and now you want to try and get a replacement under warranty due to manufacturer's defect?
Good luck. Just don't be surprised when they back charge you for the cost of the device when they realize you've exchanged a phone you've destroyed. You've voided the warranty several times over so they've got plenty of cause to hit you with an out of warranty fee.
Oh my..
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So, you dropped your phone on concrete with enough force to damage the internals (which I'm guessing is the cause of all the problems), disassembled it and lost a screw in the process, and now you want to try and get a replacement under warranty due to manufacturer's defect?
Good luck. Just don't be surprised when they back charge you for the cost of the device when they realize you've exchanged a phone you've destroyed. You've voided the warranty several times over so they've got plenty of cause to hit you with an out of warranty fee.
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Ha.. I did that once. I kicked the grapefruit juice out of my box they sent my phone to me in and so I was like, why did you send me a busted up box with a phone that doesn't work?? They were very polite about the exchange (of course, this was only like the third day I'd had it). I went to church after so I think it all evens out.
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Ha.. I did that once. I kicked the grapefruit juice out of my box they sent my phone to me in and so I was like, why did you send me a busted up box with a phone that doesn't work?? They were very polite about the exchange (of course, this was only like the third day I'd had it). I went to church after so I think it all evens out.
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Lol, my friend got an old out of warranty second hand PS2 replaced by writing to Sony and pretending to be a very upset 12 year old. These things do work sometimes
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So, you dropped your phone on concrete with enough force to damage the internals (which I'm guessing is the cause of all the problems), disassembled it and lost a screw in the process, and now you want to try and get a replacement under warranty due to manufacturer's defect?
Good luck. Just don't be surprised when they back charge you for the cost of the device when they realize you've exchanged a phone you've destroyed. You've voided the warranty several times over so they've got plenty of cause to hit you with an out of warranty fee.
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I dropped my phone maybe 6 months ago, no apparent damage (internal or external) phone still worked great. At the time of the drop the phone was in a case. I'm not really sure how those cracks got on the outside of my phone but my screen is in perfect condition.. I never even disassembled any of it I got all the screws out and saw that if i tried to take it apart further i would have bigger problems, so I put back the screws and one fell out of my hands. I also found the screw, which managed to bounce onto a shelf of my bookshelf. So my charge works, just has a loose connection somewhere. Not surprising seeing how I work a construction job. The phone doesn't look that bad at all it looks barely beat up, besides the small cracks in the rim which you wouldn't know unless you really studied it. There should be no reason to back charge me anything.
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Ha.. I did that once. I kicked the grapefruit juice out of my box they sent my phone to me in and so I was like, why did you send me a busted up box with a phone that doesn't work?? They were very polite about the exchange (of course, this was only like the third day I'd had it). I went to church after so I think it all evens out.
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i have to go to church for weeks to make up for some girls I've "dated". I hope i can even that out too. Verizon screws us enough, time to give a little back
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I dropped my phone maybe 6 months ago, no apparent damage (internal or external) phone still worked great. At the time of the drop the phone was in a case. I'm not really sure how those cracks got on the outside of my phone but my screen is in perfect condition.. I never even disassembled any of it I got all the screws out and saw that if i tried to take it apart further i would have bigger problems, so I put back the screws and one fell out of my hands. I also found the screw, which managed to bounce onto a shelf of my bookshelf. So my charge works, just has a loose connection somewhere. Not surprising seeing how I work a construction job. The phone doesn't look that bad at all it looks barely beat up, besides the small cracks in the rim which you wouldn't know unless you really studied it. There should be no reason to back charge me anything.
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Yeah I wouldn't worry about it at all since there's no major damage on the outside of the device...you should be fine
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Ha.. I did that once. I kicked the grapefruit juice out of my box they sent my phone to me in and so I was like, why did you send me a busted up box with a phone that doesn't work?? They were very polite about the exchange (of course, this was only like the third day I'd had it). I went to church after so I think it all evens out.
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Lol, my friend got an old out of warranty second hand PS2 replaced by writing to Sony and pretending to be a very upset 12 year old. These things do work sometimes
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People complain about the cost of everything going up, and this is precisely the reason why insurance and other services go up in price. The replacement devices aren't free, and the cost of replacement has to be made up somehow. Congratulations for feeling good about dicking over the honest people in society.
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People complain about the cost of everything going up, and this is precisely the reason why insurance and other services go up in price. The replacement devices aren't free, and the cost of replacement has to be made up somehow. Congratulations for feeling good about dicking over the honest people in society.
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Hey, I don't condone it and it's nothing I've done myself, but people that rationalize that kind of behavior don't understand the harm of it probably. Kind of like SUV drivers that complain when gas prices go up...
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People complain about the cost of everything going up, and this is precisely the reason why insurance and other services go up in price. The replacement devices aren't free, and the cost of replacement has to be made up somehow. Congratulations for feeling good about dicking over the honest people in society.
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Right on the money. People blame the companies over rising prices but they don't realize that profits stay about the same. Kind of like what is driving up medical costs... Frivolous lawsuits by butthurt idiots.
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I don't mind using my warranty, I paid for because I knew my phone would break all my phones, except my samsung phones, stopped working before i even put them through the rigorous days on a construction job. I rather spend the down payment on it than having to buy a new phone full price. I've been dicked by verizon (ex. buying replacement phones a couple months after getting a paid replacement) though so i don't feel bad getting a new device for free.
i don't deny people getting phones for free just to get new ones is wrong and screws over the honest people, but verizon in my eyes, while being a loyal customer for about a decade or so, hasn't been really that honest of a company. Like the whole data plan needed phones. My mom and sister both had the same phone, one need a data the other didn't (due to the timing of when they got the phones)... All the phone had was verizons "mobile web" on EVDO pretty usless itself. But the data plan was forced upon one of them for profit gainsb(data was even blocked on our account at the time). This doesn't even include the trying to charge to transfer contacts and bs fee's fee's. If Big Red didn't have all the members and didn't get the best signal in my area i'd be on a different carrier.