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does anyone know if there is / will be a cameraless version of the Touch Pro? Or any of the newer phones that is... Treo Pro, Omnia, Diamond, etc... I'm still stuck at Hermes level by Cingular. Does AT&T still make versions without cameras?
Why do you want a camera less version? Why not just get the normal one and not use the camera?
Because he works in a place (or goes to a school) where camera's are prohibited, due to there being sensitive documents (or children) about.
Maybe it helps,when you put a piece of sticky tape on the camera chip under the cover disable camera icon in album,turn off touchflo and delete camera shortcut from programs,so all access to camera app will be disabled. If someone will ask,if you are able to take pictures with it,just give him for a test to take the picture. Or make a small triangle from black plastics and stick it on the alluminium one. Yes,but what with the 3G camera?
Thats correct. A place where cars are around that noone has seen yet. A camera would cost me my job, not even a cameraphone with deactivated camera is allowed. So the AT&T (or until now Cingular) phones where great, because I could show them, they are *manufactured* without camera (though I know the modul is just pulled inside and a black cover where the lens was). Of course it's a real pita to find those on ebay, and from someone that ships to germany too
Mercedes, BMW or Audi I wonder
@TomasNM: in case they ask, I have to prove that the phone was manufactured without camera, i.e. you can order or buy it somewhere. Of course I can fake the camera be gone, but when I have a HTC something for example, I need to be able to show that there is one without camera (like nokia E51 for example).
@NLS: Audi.
there's quite a demand for phones without camera, but it's more or less ignored by companys. Only one so far besides Nokia I know is Cingular, and that was only because they couldn't get their video network to work
Yes,I was in april at BMW in Germany for a bussinesstrip. Everywhere is taking photos strictly disallowed,but I needed some to take(of ours machine for documentation),so I just did it with Olympus camera,not only with HTC Hurricane(my bussiness phone). Everybody thought,I am crazy,but I didn't care. Hahaha. Sorry La....ut. Anyway,our machines are for the welding of already-known parts of BMWs and my pictures was without those parts,so no secret things goes out(if someone wants to ask).
BMW is quite easy on cameras, and in Audi manufacturing part noone cares also (everyone I know that works there has a cameraphone). Though I work in the technical development area, and it's quite different there... There are several cases of termination of work contract...
Considering how difficult it is to get a phone now that doesnt have a camera. Cant you just explain the situation with your boss?
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Thats correct. A place where cars are around that noone has seen yet. A camera would cost me my job, not even a cameraphone with deactivated camera is allowed. So the AT&T (or until now Cingular) phones where great, because I could show them, they are *manufactured* without camera (though I know the modul is just pulled inside and a black cover where the lens was). Of course it's a real pita to find those on ebay, and from someone that ships to germany too
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Pictures, or it didn't happen!
LOL, J/K
What about physically removing the camera and making a little cover to cover the hole. Ive heard of people doing that. Ive also heard there are companies that will do it for you if you don't have the skills. When I worked at 3M it was worse,we simply were not allowed to have phones of any kind in the plant at all. At our plant,we had could have them in the offices,up front but not in the actual manufacturing facility.
If I did that with say,my mogul,I think I would get one of the 3rd party extended batteries with the cover that doesnt have the markings that indicate there is a camera. That way,I would have a phone,with no camera,and a little plastic or rubber plug over a hole,where there is no camera. (rubber plug might be better,that way if someone really thought there was a camera,you could pull out the plug and show them,nothing there. )
There will be a cameraless version, why is everyone douvting it? The 8125, 8525, and Tilt all have had cameraless counterparts.
I'm not doubting, I have asked the bad thing about it, is you have to wait ~2 generations of phones until they pop up on ebay....
(and explaining such a situation to the boss of 30.000 ppl that you maybe saw once on TV is a bit difficult)
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What about physically removing the camera and making a little cover to cover the hole. Ive heard of people doing that.
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There are some Qteks around, with pushmail and everything, but only for upper management. They just have a sticker on the camera, but they are registered with numbers. Also there's a department that has camera phones in an isolated area, those are the ppl that work on bluetooth in the car etc., but again everything registered. Since I'm external, i.e. working for a company that works for that company, there's no way to get in a situation to be *allowed* to have a secured camera phone.
I the case of the Touch Pro there are 2 cameras that need to be removed / disabled, making it even more difficult to do oneself to the satisfaction required.
Ill send you my Nokia 2110.... and in return I get a pic of the RS8?
no need for the nokia
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/auto_-_produkte/hxcms_article_504320_14204.hbs
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Considering how difficult it is to get a phone now that doesnt have a camera. Cant you just explain the situation with your boss?
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HP Ipaq 614. Not as cool as the Rapahel, but still a reasonable phone. Without any camera!
Eriol
Maybe this will help/guide/... you: click.
Hi Guys
I was testing out the camera on my Fuze last night in complete darkness in my room. So i put the flash on, and started snapping some pictures. What I started to notice was that there was this halo on the right side of the screen. I quickly figured out that this was from the LED light hitting the back casing and bouncing back into the camera lens! I removed the back of the Fuze, and snapped another picture. The differences are AMAZING! THe following pictures have the exact same settings and everything, one was just taken with the back on and with without the back on.
Check it out!
With Back On = http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a60/votum3/IMAG0022.jpg
Without Back On = http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a60/votum3/IMAG0020.jpg
I guess my pictures dont have this halo as stated here http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a60/votum3/IMAG0022.jpg
or at least not that strong
NExt problem is how to solve that without removing back casing? Maybe impossible ;(
Nice find! THanks
Thanks. The only thing that I was considering was some type of jacket that goes around the flash that plugs the space between the back casing and the flash. But I'm not exatly sure how I could do that...
You can modify your case by putting a dark piece of material in the case to separate the light form the camera lens.
Yea I was thinking maybe some of that black foam type stuff with the adhesive on the back thats often used on electronics would work great.
maybe it is a ORB..
tvos
tvos said:
maybe it is a ORB..
tvos
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ROFL
Yea after I took the picture my camera was actually taken by a spirit and thrown across the room. I tried to get it back but to no avail...
whats needed is to make the hole that little bit bigger
In my opinon HTC should leave the camera out from these business models, lower the price and make them smaller in size or something...
id rather they make them actually usable like some nokia or sony models myself. i love not having to carry around a separate camera as long as the phone camera is up to snuff.
A small square of felt between them ought to do the trick.....
dont have that problem
leaving out the camera is like limiting the device of what it can REALLY do. true, many business's state no camera phones on site, simple solution find another job.. j/k have two devices one w/wo camera..
tvos
Loco5150 said:
In my opinon HTC should leave the camera out from these business models, lower the price and make them smaller in size or something...
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Yesterday I had send a document to a coworker, and I used my Pro to take a picture.
Last month I had to e-mail a bank receipt while on the go, guess what I did?
So yes, the camera is important for business use, and I would never buy a phone without it.
Smaniac said:
Yesterday I had send a document to a coworker, and I used my Pro to take a picture.
Last month I had to e-mail a bank receipt while on the go, guess what I did?
So yes, the camera is important for business use, and I would never buy a phone without it.
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exactly - so much easier than writing stuff down
I'm a service tech....and use the camera to snap pictures of goofy stuff I see
on machines, and sometimes mail them to the tech support center. I've always
been told a picture is like 1000 words...
last week I caught my spouse cheating on me finally and took pictures with my diamond pro... so yes, it is good for business, especially when you can give it to your attoryney for grounds of divorce..
tvos
ps. just kidding - having fun with this topic! hehhe
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Thanks. The only thing that I was considering was some type of jacket that goes around the flash that plugs the space between the back casing and the flash. But I'm not exatly sure how I could do that...
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If anyone tries this, or any other fix successfully, will you please post pics of your "repair"?
Thanks!
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Hi Guys
I was testing out the camera on my Fuze last night in complete darkness in my room. So i put the flash on, and started snapping some pictures. What I started to notice was that there was this halo on the right side of the screen. I quickly figured out that this was from the LED light hitting the back casing and bouncing back into the camera lens! I removed the back of the Fuze, and snapped another picture. The differences are AMAZING! THe following pictures have the exact same settings and everything, one was just taken with the back on and with without the back on.
Check it out!
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This has been discovered on the Kaiser forum a while ago already. But now that you mention it, i check the back cover and surprisingly, I haven't noticed until now that there is no protecting glasses in the holes.
Okay...so let's say that I wanted to hypothetically tighten up the sliding mechanism, and let's say that hypothetically I got to where all screws (yes...including the VOID sticker one is not supposed to tear/alter/drive a screw driver through) w re removed--got to the part where the back case starts to come off but gave up at trying to pry it off at the end w/ the usb/soft reset point (hypothetically).
DIDN'T TOUCH ANYTHING ELSE
Put the screws back in, sim and microSD cards back, turned on phone---and now I get 1/2 cell signal reception outdoors and the !!! indoors...
I know the warranty is out the door...but what did this devilishly curious semi genius that shall remain nameless touch that would have affected the phone in such manner??
Gps and wifi still work fine...it's just that the phone's lost 1/2 of its cellular signal!!
hypothetically...
I dunno what the hypothetical person did, but that is actually quite amusing (Hypothetically speaking of course)
My dear anonymously oversized tramp stamp tattooed fellow senior member...
Your reply was of no help whatsoever--
But, seeing as you are in need of some funds, I will say that I will NOT contribute to your marriage fund...
Instead, I will be more than happy to support your future alimony fund.
But no, seriously, no clue...huh?
maybe the hypothetical person "touched" the cell antenna with his screwdriver?
That is hilarious. If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT! Jeez why can't people learn this? I learned this when I was 5.
Hypothetically speaking, you can sell this phone on ebay for parts and call the insurance company and say you lost it *cough* hypothetically speaking.
try opening it up again and wiggling the antenna to see if it gets better? - hypothetically speaking of course
yep, maybe the antenna was net set back in place correctly. also touching the antenna with anything metallic/conductive wouldn't cause any problems IF there was no power supplied to it, different story if the device was on.
you might want to check out Mike Channon's website and download the At&t Fuze service (disassembly) manual.
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That is hilarious. If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT! Jeez why can't people learn this? I learned this when I was 5.
Hypothetically speaking, you can sell this phone on ebay for parts and call the insurance company and say you lost it *cough* hypothetically speaking.
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It would be all good except for the fact that the sliding mech. is loosening up that there is a 2mm gap between the keyboard and the screen when closed.
I'm sure I'm not the only one sounding like a Spanish Flamenco dancer with those shells in her hands..
Clikity clack
Clikity clack
clack clack clack
Why wouldn't one want to hypothetically fix this?
Does anyone think buying the antenna would solve anything?
your not the only one with that problem of the clickety clack clickety clack clack clack issue!
buying the antenna wont solve anything
this hypothetical semi genius needs to go back into the phone, and following the service manual which can be found by googling for it put the handset back together
chances are you either forgot to reattach something or you attached it incorrectly
make sure all the black 'tapes' on the back of the handset are secure also
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chances are you either forgot to reattach something or you attached it incorrectly
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Ahem, thank you my good man...I'll uhh...let HIM know
Maybe you touched the attenna in the no no place.. you dirty man you.
Hardy Hardy Harr....
I'm am hybopthetically laughing something off right now...
The first time I tried removing the back cover...I got nowhere near removing it...I gave up trying to get it to come off the bottom end of the phone (with the usb input)--so I don't think I came close to touching the antenna...
I managed to remove the casing earlier today, unplugged the antenna, plugged it back in to secure its connection...same problem....
Wow...all 233 of you are very quiet...
please tell me this semi genius, hypothetical person used the service manual which exists? it would be good of you to let HIM know that the service manual will provide him with a foolproof way of ensuring the handset goes back together as HTC intended.
Particularly if this semi genius 'tried removing the back cover...[he] got nowhere near removing it'!
http://www.mikechannon.net/page1.html
tell that semi genius to head over to that site, download the raphael service manual and become a fully fledged genius!
I am starting a summer internship next week at a company that doesn't allow cameras. I need to permanently disable the camera. What's the best way? My thought was black epoxy. I've only ever done one before, but it was a crappy flip phone so I just took tools to it until I managed to break the camera, not doing that on the Cappy.
It isn't difficult to disassemble the captivate and remove the camera altogether. The you would just have to contend with the opening.
How strict are they and how do they enforce the policy? Can you just uninstall or freeze the camera software so it can't function? If you use a cover for it, can you permanently seal the camera opening?
Yes, I know there are easy ways for you to still take a picture, but is it enough to show a "good faith" attempt to disable it?
Sent from my Cappy.
Might be able to spray some plasti-dip on the lens (after masking everything else off) to cover it up semi-permanently. It won't come off until you try to peel it off and wont let a residue. Pretty much this: http://pocketnow.com/android/diy-soft-touch-rubberized-nexus-s-backing except not the whole back of course.
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I am starting a summer internship next week at a company that doesn't allow cameras. I need to permanently disable the camera. What's the best way? My thought was black epoxy. I've only ever done one before, but it was a crappy flip phone so I just took tools to it until I managed to break the camera, not doing that on the Cappy.
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Oh Man Sounds like someone is working at pfizers lol. If that is the case, The last time i was there for the same thing, epoxy wont work, I had to use a phone that didnt have a camera built in at all. I would double check just to be sure. would hate for you to do all this and then not be able to use it there anyway.
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How strict are they and how do they enforce the policy? Can you just uninstall or freeze the camera software so it can't function? If you use a cover for it, can you permanently seal the camera opening?
Yes, I know there are easy ways for you to still take a picture, but is it enough to show a "good faith" attempt to disable it?
Sent from my Cappy.
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No, they won't allow a software change, but on the other hand, in fact it has to still work so that they can check that the camera can't see anything.
I don't want to physically remove the camera, as I've heard phone software can freak out when a camera isn't there, and it would be a lot easier if I can still go into the Camera app and show them that it doesn't work.
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Oh Man Sounds like someone is working at pfizers lol. If that is the case, The last time i was there for the same thing, epoxy wont work, I had to use a phone that didnt have a camera built in at all. I would double check just to be sure. would hate for you to do all this and then not be able to use it there anyway.
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Guess again. This company does allow cameras that are permanently physically disabled. I've worked for them before. My plan is to sell the phone inside of the company at the end of the summer, already security approved, and put that towards an SGSII with another line's subsidy.
Pfizer is absurd, they are a private company doing private work and have no legitimate reason to block cameras. My employer does have very legitimate reasons.
why do u disable camera?
Usually secure sites wont even let you take devices with cameras in. You cant just say "Oh its disabled" and they allow the phone in. What about swapping sim cards to a difference device?
Private companys do this to prevent industrial espionage among other things.
But yeah this is a market the phone makers ignore. A galaxy s variant or droid with no camera would sell to the government/high tech sector.
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No, they won't allow a software change, but on the other hand, in fact it has to still work so that they can check that the camera can't see anything.
I don't want to physically remove the camera, as I've heard phone software can freak out when a camera isn't there, and it would be a lot easier if I can still go into the Camera app and show them that it doesn't work.
Guess again. This company does allow cameras that are permanently physically disabled. I've worked for them before. My plan is to sell the phone inside of the company at the end of the summer, already security approved, and put that towards an SGSII with another line's subsidy.
Pfizer is absurd, they are a private company doing private work and have no legitimate reason to block cameras. My employer does have very legitimate reasons.
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They have a very good reason for it and the reason is dumb people. To be honest I wold be happy they are allowing you to have the phone. Like Foxwoods there are many reasons people have no need to have their phone while at work to begin with. Well I hope you find a way to kill it but juts be warned that if you do disable the camera on a perm basis you will drop the value of your phone by ALOT!
it's 6 screws on the back, open the usb port, then disconnect and remove the camera from the unit entirely without the use of a tool. Opening the phone is not difficult and you should just be careful and use the smallest cross-tip and flathead available
I would just get a cheap flip phone to use while at work and swap the SIM card from phone to phone. Then you don't have to mess up your cappy and can leave out in the car while at work. You could get a cheap used one on ebay for less than ten bucks.
Sent from my customized Captivate by MikeyMike01 running 2.3.3
sethjamto said:
I would just get a cheap flip phone to use while at work and swap the SIM card from phone to phone. Then you don't have to mess up your cappy and can leave out in the car while at work. You could get a cheap used one on ebay for less than ten bucks.
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Bingo. Hell, i'm sure you or someone you know has a Razor laying around.
tquang620 said:
why do u disable camera?
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Why don't you read the original post? The company is military-industrial.
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Usually secure sites wont even let you take devices with cameras in. You cant just say "Oh its disabled" and they allow the phone in. What about swapping sim cards to a difference device?
Private companys do this to prevent industrial espionage among other things.
But yeah this is a market the phone makers ignore. A galaxy s variant or droid with no camera would sell to the government/high tech sector.
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This company's policy is that you have to demonstrate the camera is disabled. They used to not allow cameraphones, but they realized somewhere along the line that was a losing battle.
If they don't have a camera, they are not able to be certified for the Android market, so they can't sell one. Apple wouldn't do an iPhone because they are Apple, and that leaves RIM with the extremely boring Bold 9000. Yawn.
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They have a very good reason for it and the reason is dumb people. To be honest I wold be happy they are allowing you to have the phone. Like Foxwoods there are many reasons people have no need to have their phone while at work to begin with. Well I hope you find a way to kill it but juts be warned that if you do disable the camera on a perm basis you will drop the value of your phone by ALOT!
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Yeah, the policy is a lot better than what they used to have, as there's not much out there with no camera. I understand why they do it, as it's a matter of national security, BUT pfizer is not an asset to national security, they are just a paranoid company apparently.
Foxwoods?
It's not worth that much anyways. I want to sell it within the company, so that would be a feature, not a drawback haha.
AdamOutler said:
it's 6 screws on the back, open the usb port, then disconnect and remove the camera from the unit entirely without the use of a tool. Opening the phone is not difficult and you should just be careful and use the smallest cross-tip and flathead available
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I can check and see if they will let me do that, but I don't think so, as it could be re-installed. I think it has to be something like Epoxy. I was asking if anyone had any better ideas....
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I would just get a cheap flip phone to use while at work and swap the SIM card from phone to phone. Then you don't have to mess up your cappy and can leave out in the car while at work. You could get a cheap used one on ebay for less than ten bucks.
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I already have three phones that are allowed to go to work. They are all POS phones. LG C1300, Nokia 2610, and Moto V557 (camera disabled). SIM swapping for the weekend is a PITA.
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Why don't you read the original post? The company is military-industrial.
If they don't have a camera, they are not able to be certified for the Android market, so they can't sell one. Apple wouldn't do an iPhone because they are Apple, and that leaves RIM with the extremely boring Bold 9000. Yawn.
Yeah, the policy is a lot better than what they used to have, as there's not much out there with no camera. I understand why they do it, as it's a matter of national security, BUT pfizer is not an asset to national security, they are just a paranoid company apparently.
Foxwoods?
It's not worth that much anyways. I want to sell it within the company, so that would be a feature, not a drawback haha.
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Hmm military huh well that slims it down. SOunds like EB to me. I know they have a contract with ATT like most of the Bases and what not in CT. ATT offers most high end smart phones without a camera for just this type of work. Had to order one when i started working for them myself. As for better ideas, I would ok the epoxy idea with security first as it should be ok but who knows. As for Pfizer being not a security issue, that I would have to disagree with. The Bio-Medical plant in New London is closely watched by the Gov for a reason.
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Hmm military huh well that slims it down. SOunds like EB to me. I know they have a contract with ATT like most of the Bases and what not in CT. ATT offers most high end smart phones without a camera for just this type of work. Had to order one when i started working for them myself. As for better ideas, I would ok the epoxy idea with security first as it should be ok but who knows. As for Pfizer being not a security issue, that I would have to disagree with. The Bio-Medical plant in New London is closely watched by the Gov for a reason.
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Maaaaybe. The only thing they have to buy is the BB 9000. They may have somewhere that removes cameras and certifies them or something. I am going to check with security, but as far as I know now, the policy is the same as last year (what I described above). You make me want to be scared of Pfizer haha.
The epoxy is the best I can think of. Any better ideas?
I wonder if you could etch the lens with something like hydrofluoric acid from a glass etching kit?
(Disclaimer: I have not tried this and hydrofluoric acid is nasty, nasty ****.)
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Maaaaybe. The only thing they have to buy is the BB 9000. They may have somewhere that removes cameras and certifies them or something. I am going to check with security, but as far as I know now, the policy is the same as last year (what I described above). You make me want to be scared of Pfizer haha.
The epoxy is the best I can think of. Any better ideas?
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That may be the best one they have at the moment. I know ATT and HTC work closely together on it as most of the camera less models were all HTC. Had a tilt 2 without a camera lol. your epoxy might be your best shot.
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If they don't have a camera, they are not able to be certified for the Android market, so they can't sell one.
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I was not aware of this. Has google never heard of security? They are really dropping the ball here. Its not about paranoia. Just because something is not a matter of national security, doesn't mean you want photos of unreleased products leaking, etc.
To be constructive, since instructions to take the camera out of the phone have been posted. What about taking it out, spray painting it and reinstalling?
I'm thinking they won't accept that either... There's still audio recording. Also, the phone has the ability to act as a flash drive. Also, the phone can transfer documents over the cell network. Also, the phone can connect and run in promiscuous mode on a wifi network.
If they're truly concerned about security, those are risks. The camera is only one function.
I would find a hard care like the otter box commuter that has the camera hole cut out and its pretty deep. Then id put a piece of paper between the phone and the silicon inside the case. Put the hard case on and fill the whole with a epoxy/bondo. Once it dries just sand it down and respray the hard case with the phone out. No one will know.
Simply autobody lol.
Hey so I randomly saw spots and i thought i could just wipe them off but then i realized that they were under the screen? I don't understand how that could have happened but what could you do to get it out of there? and is it safe enough to do so without damaging the device?
Thanks a ton !
I also have a bit of dirt under my screen! But mine all seems to be in the top right corner. It doesnt bother me unless my screen is turned off or im in really bright sunlight though. I thought about taking the plunge and trying to take it apart and clean it, but i dont want anything to happen to my precious phone! lol
Take it to AT&T and see if they will replace your phone or at least clean it for you. I have gotten Apple to replace several iPod Touches because they had dirt and dust under the screen
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Take it to AT&T and see if they will replace your phone or at least clean it for you. I have gotten Apple to replace several iPod Touches because they had dirt and dust under the screen
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That would be amazing but do you think they would still do that if i dont have a contract or service with them? Currently im just using wifi with google voice for calls and SMS.
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That would be amazing but do you think they would still do that if i dont have a contract or service with them? Currently im just using wifi with google voice for calls and SMS.
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That might pose a bit of a problem. Why don't you try calling AT&T customer service first. See what they say about it. If they can't do anything about it, maybe HTC can? But I know with HTC they always want you to send your phone in to their service place so they can have "a qualified technician review the phone". So if you are rooted and all that good stuff they might turn you down as well.
Or if you think you're up for it I would just find a few good take apart videos on YouTube for the Inspire (watch them many many many many times) and if you think you can do it, go for it. Just make sure you have the right tools and a few separate containers so you don't lose the screws and can keep them sorted. That way you can get a few cotton swabs and micro fiber cloths and give the whole phone a good cleaning.
Awesome I'll try that once I get home! Thank you... And I would just unroot before I gave it to HTC
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